The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM®
 

Go Back   The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM® > SPORTSTER MOTORCYCLE FORUM > Lubrication and Lubricants
XLF Blogs XLF Arcade XLF Disclaimer/Privacy Statement/Terms Of Use

Lubrication and Lubricants You guessed. Here is where everyone can argue over oil.

Active Threads
0 Replacement clutch plates
Last Post: brucstoudt
Posted On: 2 Minutes Ago
Replies: 16
Views: 506
0 Younger Bike
Last Post: duffy
Posted On: 4 Minutes Ago
Replies: 1
Views: 22
4 The no-debate OIL POLL
Last Post: rejeanprimeau
Posted On: 6 Minutes Ago
Replies: 259
Views: 68,534
0 What weight oil?
Last Post: RicThompson
Posted On: 10 Minutes Ago
Replies: 3
Views: 26
0 stress killer
Last Post: Nibelungen
Posted On: 12 Minutes Ago
Replies: 366
Views: 64,429
0 What did you do for your sporty Today?
Last Post: hammer6315
Posted On: 16 Minutes Ago
Replies: 6,456
Views: 842,996
0 Thoughts
Last Post: mickey t
Posted On: 17 Minutes Ago
Replies: 17
Views: 350
3 Wtb, Wts, Wtt, Wtg (Ironhead)
Last Post: MrYeats
Posted On: 19 Minutes Ago
Replies: 47
Views: 239,889
0 Back to forum and back to project
Last Post: IronMick
Posted On: 44 Minutes Ago
Replies: 9
Views: 138
0 Average age of the Ironhead forum users
Last Post: Kingrabbit
Posted On: 44 Minutes Ago
Replies: 448
Views: 88,914
0 Hottie of the day, no nudity.
Last Post: Stairman
Posted On: 50 Minutes Ago
Replies: 14,931
Views: 1,407,689
0 Linkert DC 7 question
Last Post: brucstoudt
Posted On: 53 Minutes Ago
Replies: 6
Views: 146
0 This week on Craig's list
Last Post: bill smith
Posted On: 55 Minutes Ago
Replies: 4,435
Views: 539,518
0 xlcr elusive parts
Last Post: Speedyone
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 14
Views: 533
0 How much is a late 60's early 70's Sportster worth?
Last Post: Whitewalls
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 7
Views: 316
0 "DualSport" Trike suspension
Last Post: farmall
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 6
Views: 1,153
0 Will 04 and later used jugs & pistons fit 01 without major problems?
Last Post: xlron
Posted On: 1 Hour Ago
Replies: 6
Views: 121
0 Crusty's Travels
Last Post: SonWon
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 2,573
Views: 338,937
0 XLCH Plunger Seat Kit
Last Post: A Seabee
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 6
Views: 195
0 Buy A new battery
Last Post: Bored now
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 5
Views: 88
0 Correct ignition wiring for three post switch
Last Post: Roane
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 9
Views: 234
0 get battery out
Last Post: 60Gunner
Posted On: 2 Hours Ago
Replies: 13
Views: 258
0 2011 1200C tuner?
Last Post: ktp1598
Posted On: 3 Hours Ago
Replies: 1
Views: 89
0 Food porn
Last Post: Graywolf
Posted On: 3 Hours Ago
Replies: 1,666
Views: 287,957
0 Question about CV carb on iron head.
Last Post: MonkeyMadness
Posted On: 4 Hours Ago
Replies: 6
Views: 87
0 Keep & Kill
Last Post: Graywolf
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 14,242
Views: 801,459
0 Tire too small for wheel?
Last Post: SLW210
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 8
Views: 173
0 U.s.m.c
Last Post: MonkeyMadness
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 4
Views: 152
0 Daily updates by email not working
Last Post: billeuze
Posted On: 5 Hours Ago
Replies: 4
Views: 99
0 Hot Rods, Rat Rods, and Customs.
Last Post: Stairman
Posted On: 6 Hours Ago
Replies: 3,780
Views: 473,882
More...
Members Birthdays
Sponsored Links
Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Display Modes
  #71  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
60Gunner's Avatar
60Gunner 60Gunner is offline
Chief of Security
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: United States
Posts: 2,098
Sportster/Buell Model: 1200/1250C
Sportster/Buell Year: 05
Reputation: 2309895
60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute60Gunner has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bustert View Post
engine oils are made from various base oils as defined by the American Petroleum Institute (API). There are five categories of base oil: Group I, II, III, IV, and V. Groups I-III are refined crude oil. Group IV is polyalpha olefin, and Group V is “other.” Search API’s web site to understand the differences.

The words “synthetic” and “semi-synthetic” do no appear in any API literature, and there is no universally accepted definition. These are purely marketing terms. Without going into the history, “synthetic” engine oil is generally made from Group III, IV, or V base oil. Yes, Group III oil can be sold as “synthetic”, because it is highly refined and chemically modified to such as extent as to be “synthetic,” i.e. not occurring in nature.

Synthetics do perform better in certain tests and in real life. They have better thermal stability, better shear stability, they have more Newtonian fluid characteristics (exhibit higher viscosity under shear conditions), better low temperature behavior, and lower volatility.
Despite numerous UOAs that say otherwise. Including everyones favorite here M1v-twin. Out performed by a mineral oil even at extreme heat and 5000 miles.
Designer MC oil is good for one thing tho...emptying your wallets.
__________________
05 1200/1250C/Hammer 570 Cams/E1 clutch kit +15% spring
TC88A Gunner's V00D00 map/DCPR7E/Taylor Pro 8mm
S&S Premium Lifters/KhromeWerks HP Plus 3" slip ons
HSR42 25 pilot 2 turns Y8 needle jet 97 needle 2nd groove 170 main
Dragtron II AC K&N filter/VR1 20W50/Spectro 85wt Primary Oil

Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
bustert's Avatar
bustert bustert is offline
XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,622
Sportster/Buell Model: 1200s
Sportster/Buell Year: 2001
Sportster/Buell Model #2: xlch
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1974
Reputation: 2763800
bustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond reputebustert has a reputation beyond repute
Default

well, if i remember right, a ocean tanker went nearly 500,000 hours on shell rotella which was a petroleum base oil. we went well over a year on petroleum base oil, changing only on analysis reports. the whole KEY to the issue is maintenance.
my 1974ch had everything imaginable in it and easily survived, def not sticking to weights and never a drop of syn oil.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #73  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
rokytnji's Avatar
rokytnji rokytnji is offline
XL FORUM LIFE MEMBER
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Texas/Mexican Border
Posts: 2,563
Sportster/Buell Model: xls 1000
Sportster/Buell Year: 1980
Sportster/Buell Model #2: xls 1000
Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1983
Other Motorcycle Model: 1200 Chopper XL
Other Motorcycle Year: 1990
Reputation: 4101426
rokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond reputerokytnji has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
never a drop of syn oil.
Amen. These newer blends since 1970's work just fine and dandy.
__________________
*Reference the Sportsterpedia! For Helpful info on your scooter.
Things got a lot easier when I gave up the illusion I exist.
Traveled to
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 4 Weeks Ago
hexnut's Avatar
hexnut hexnut is offline
XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: middle Tennessee
Posts: 897
Sportster/Buell Model: Sportster Superlow 1250
Sportster/Buell Year: 2014
Reputation: 1459749
hexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond reputehexnut has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomcatt View Post
And what happened was that many oil companies took this as a green light to abandon Group IV base oil and use (cheaper) Group III while still calling their product "Full Synthetic". My cynical side suspects they did this at no price reduction to the consumer as it's still "Full Synthetic"...
And Mobil 1 jumped on this band wagon as well after complaining about Castrol using group 111

A natural evolution of the formulation

The Mobil 1 formulation strategy has always been based on selecting the best components available. We now have the very high quality Group III+ base stock, �Visom� exclusively available to ExxonMobil. As we developed the Mobil 1 ESP technology we found that combining Visom with PAO could deliver a formulation of equivalent performance to an all PAO formulation.

Competitive advantage

Visom is the only non-PAO stock that can deliver the required performance to formulate a 0W grade oil that meets European OEM engine oil specifications. Visom is not available to our competition.

To support Mobil 1 growth

Global PAO capacity is limited. As we quickly approach this limit, new base stocks must be explored to ensure we can support the continued growth of the Mobil 1 family of products.

To ensure continuity of supply

As we saw with the 2005 hurricane, the more flexibility we have in our formulations, the better placed we are to withstand disruption to our supply. We can balance PAO and Visom supply fluctuations to ensure we can always deliver the final product to our customers.

To maintain market relevant pricing

As PAO supply has tightened globally, raw material costs have increased substantially. In the future, an exclusively PAO formulation may be priced out of the market or result in significant margin erosion.

To prepare for next generation basestocks (GTL)

Commencing 2010, the next generation of base stocks derived from Natural Gas (Gas To Liquids) will enter the market. These high quality basestocks will arrive in substantial quantities and will probably be used in the majority of competitive premium formulations. Visom is viewed as a precursor of GTL, and hence it�s use now in our flagship formulations eases our transition to a GTL world, and helps us understand how to maintain flagship performance using these high quality non-PAO basestocks.
__________________
2014 Sportster Superlow, Hammer 1250, smash head work, 560 cams, S&S rockers and lifters. ported throttle body and intake,
Hammer crush air cleaner, Barnett clutch
Tuned by Power Vision
Supertrapp Supermegs exhaust
1200 gearing, super brace
Progressive suspension front & rear
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Sponsored Links
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 00:27.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
XL Forum® - Linson Media LLC