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I just got a new 1969 XCLH and right when I got home from my first ride....
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Should I just tighten the lever on tighter. Doesn't seem like that is really the issue but is most obvious.,
It seems you're pretty new to this bike. I got to ask:
  • just how heavy is your right foot ? (a light foot on the lever is all it takes. No stomping required)
  • are you sure the shift lever isn't turning/spinning on the shifter shaft ?
Regardless, if it was my ride, I'd want to do a bit more diagnosis, before tearing things apart.
  • get the bike on a lift / centre stand, with rear wheel off the ground
  • with left hand, rock the rear wheel slowly & lightly, back & forth
  • simultaneously, with right hand, attempt to change gears
  • what do you observe ?
    • shift lever is spinning on shaft ?
    • gears change ok ?
    • shift lever flops up & down without changing gears ?
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Did you get the ebay bike you asked about last week?
Ha - yes I did! It's great. I got it fired up and took it around the block then this happened
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It seems you're pretty new to this bike. I got to ask:
  • just how heavy is your right foot ? (a light foot on the lever is all it takes. No stomping required)
  • are you sure the shift lever isn't turning/spinning on the shifter shaft ?
Regardless, if it was my ride, I'd want to do a bit more diagnosis, before tearing things apart.
  • get the bike on a lift / centre stand, with rear wheel off the ground
  • with left hand, rock the rear wheel slowly & lightly, back & forth
  • simultaneously, with right hand, attempt to change gears
  • what do you observe ?
    • shift lever is spinning on shaft ?
    • gears change ok ?
    • shift lever flops up & down without changing gears ?
    • or ?
    • post a video if there's any doubt
I just got it on Friday and only took it out for first time last night so yes it is very newI probably am a little heavier then I should be - my 1967 FLH takes a good nudge to get it into 2nd cleanly so that may have been my bias. I appreciate this and will check it out
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The shifter shaft has an arm on the inside that is held on the shaft with a pin.
It is not uncommon for that pin to shear and allow the lever to rotate on the shaft.

I weld them up before I install them.
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Pulling the trans is not that big a job. After you do it once, you'll know how simple it is. I did it first time a year & a half ago, and once again this year. The big sockets I needed for my '83 were 1 1/2", 1 1/4", and 1 1/16". Any other are included in an average [Craftsman] 1/2" socket set. I also used a pair of long nosed vise-grips to hold the clutch cable in position (probably not a concern on yours) and a 'clutch compresser' that I made up out of angle iron. There's several threads here detailing how to do it, I actually had the forum members walk me through it. Rum blokes, all!

Don't be surprised to find more things to replace as you go along. And yes, you could do it all in a days' work, but that's being overly optimistic. And it'll surely put a dent in your wallet. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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The most likely problem is the shifter ball is no longer pinned to the shifter shaft. You'll need to pull your primary/clutch and your transmission to correct it. Have the ball end welded onto the shaft and you'll never have this problem again.
I tightened the pinch bolt down last night and it wont travel beyond the length of travel anymore but it still won't go into another gear, so stuck in 1st. I tried getting on it and rocking it back and forth and also moving but not dice. Still think it is the shifter ball? Also I had it delivered to me and i think it had wet sumped a bit so not sure if maybe there is oil in the crankcase that could be solving problems? I really appreciate all of you guys and your help here.
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The travel rotation and shift lever return are set by two opposing springs in what's affectionately referred to as the shift tower. So that sounds like your shifter ball is still attached otherwise you'd never have found the upper and lower limits of the shift travel. Take a hammer and give the end of the shift shaft a few love taps and see if it doesn't start working again. I'm starting to think your shifter pawl is stuck.
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The travel rotation and shift lever return are set by two opposing springs in what's affectionately referred to as the shift tower. So that sounds like your shifter ball is still attached otherwise you'd never have found the upper and lower limits of the shift travel. Take a hammer and give the end of the shift shaft a few love taps and see if it doesn't start working again. I'm starting to think your shifter pawl is stuck.
Ok - I will check it out! Thank you!
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It seems you're pretty new to this bike. I got to ask:
  • just how heavy is your right foot ? (a light foot on the lever is all it takes. No stomping required)
  • are you sure the shift lever isn't turning/spinning on the shifter shaft ?
Regardless, if it was my ride, I'd want to do a bit more diagnosis, before tearing things apart.
  • get the bike on a lift / centre stand, with rear wheel off the ground
  • with left hand, rock the rear wheel slowly & lightly, back & forth
  • simultaneously, with right hand, attempt to change gears
  • what do you observe ?
    • shift lever is spinning on shaft ?
    • gears change ok ?
    • shift lever flops up & down without changing gears ?
    • or ?
    • post a video if there's any doubt
I tightened down the pinch bolt and now the shift lever will go up and down as normal (not going past point of travel) but it will not engage a new gear. It just moves up and down but no "click".
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Look up the thread on shifter blueprinting (dr dick) and have a read. The early style pawl has spring loaded plungers that are known to stick leaving you stuck in gear. The only real fix for it is to remove and clean the plungers - they easily catch debris. Or switch to the later style pawl carrier if you want.
http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1734747
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