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Easy Kev, I represent that! Anyhow the C.O.B.B. runners made it out as far as Butte, Montana. You should be here!
I should... But my priorities (Fi-6, Shay-4) keep me closer to home than ever these days.

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bone, parrot, jzink, VA fish, and others

first let me say I am sorry I have been preoccupied with my new career, at 60 years old I achieved a new degree and retired out of the IBEW (electrical Union) and started a career as a safety engineer.'' sorry I was preoccupied durring a great debate.

so tonight I get to my favorite forum and read 2 pages of great debate. All with fantastic points.

I wish I had been here to debate with them.

Instead I will leave a few notes

"I" feel the sportster platform as we know it is an ICON
I would hate to see any other architecture of engine to be called a sportster.
How could we have 2 different engines called a sportster?

But, HD has used frame design to differate models in the past, so I can see a lot of leeway in this matter.

And if HD is going into the future as fast as they claim, then a street figter with the moniker of sportster really does draw back to 1959 and answer to the modern call to make a "Sportster to compete with the modern salvo fired by the competition.

OK, at 60 I could ride the shit out of that street fighter with either the front tire or the rear in the air. But I would be beating an old body up doing it.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I will leave that up to the young crowd, Yes the young crowd who will buy that and shove it in the face of the un educated non riding class and prove why we love motorcycles in the first place.

However, I love the current engine in the sportster, and it hurts me to see it is soon to pass.

60 plus years, older than me by a year, I will cry, it has defined my life. even when on the back of a GSXR carving canyons in SOCAL, I still commuted on the best platform I have ever found, One of my Sporties.

SO let us agree, it has been one hell of a ride.
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I think HD will realize these smartmouthed punk kids of today are about as loyal as a stray dog in heat and dont know what they want. I'm afraid their days are numbered as is this country's once these kids take over the reigns.
Thank God people like them weren't here 200 years ago or they wouldn't have the freedom to shoot their mouths off here, or anywhere, today.

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LOL, lots of false teeth smackin', fat belly rubbin', and saggy pants hitching up going on in this thread.

The good news is that most people in the market for a new bike could really give a rat's arse what it's called. I'm glad to see HD doing something different, and they shouldn't call it a Sportster for the simple psychological reason that it is different and the new models mean a different direction for the MoCo.

Innovate or die. That's a life lesson right there. The MoCo is trying because people like me and generations much younger than me don't want potato-potato-potato anymore as the only option. A v-twin doesn't have to mean a low-revving pile of chrome. Every time I put a wrench to my IH, I curse it, because it's a poorly engineered pile of crap. But it was the one of the best of its time and its time is now over. Yes I know, it's significantly different than an '18 model, but not by much.

Will HD blazon the "Sportster" name on one of their new scoots? I doubt it and I certainly hope they don't. I also hope the Streetfighter is worth it, because even though I'm in my mid-40s, I still want it. The MoCo has come a long way in the last 10 years by trying to resonate with a whole new culture and crowd with the Street series, the M8 and what they did to the Dynas. It can no longer just cater to a bunch of fat old white guys as a majority because those fat old white guys are dying off. The bike market is huge. HD needs to show its customers that it has the vision and foresight to predict their wants - because no one needs a motorcycle. And potato-potato-potato isn't cutting it by itself anymore.
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Even Lincoln? Are we talking about how ugly the MkT is, or are you spouting racism now? A bit of a hypocrite if so, aren’t you? Cry freedom, yet only for some. Politics and race have absolutely no bearing here, and you’re really the epitome of a troll with all of your activity here lately.

What have you done to make HD think you’re loyal anyway, riding around on an 05? They’re selling a product. If you’re so concerned about the future of that product, why have you not purchased a new iteration of that product to show you like the current state of things?

The short answer to the topic at hand, is no. Most here seem to be in pretty solid agreement that the new bike should not be a Sportster. What that has to do with the new bikes being a good or bad decision, I don’t know. Personally, I like them. They should be called by new names, if for no other reason than to draw new attention to themselves, but they have no reason not to exist.
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Yep. In response to the fat ass white boy comment here. Nothing burns my ass more than a race that plays the race card as often as they do making comments like that.
And why I'm on an 05 is really none of your business but if you must know, after divorcing my first old lady, buying another house on my own, and buying my own peterbilt was more a priority. Plus, I prefer a carbed bike or I would've bought another by now but decided to wait another year or 2. Now I'm not so sure I'll ever buy a new one again.
I may just build one from the frame up instead.

Oh, and my longnose Pete was an 03 for much the same reason. Anything newer was garbage with all the emissions crap. That's why they buy gliders if they want new. New body with rebuilt drivetrains.

My car? An 01 Bonne. Immaculate. And a fresh 427 looking for the right car.

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Assuming race because you’re offended, or because you’re just racist, does nothing to actually get you results. It’s more likely to get you silenced in the form of a ban from the site than anything to be honest here. I can’t speak to the original comment, but I am white. I think Harley targets fat old white guys with their “biker” oriented bikes or rolling sofas. There is plenty of truth to all of the joking about the cries about the death of the Dyna from the Sons of Anarchy crowd. The, “let’s dress like each other and ride matching bikes” image is the (up to recently) unchanging HD image for much of their lineup. Diversity shows a desire to be a motorcycle company, rather than push this tough guy image and encourage motorcycle clubs as the only reason to own a bike, which was largely the Dyna image. The bike should be to have fun, not be a badass in a bar parking lot.

And you’re obviously not anyone’s target customer if you’re insistent on rebuilding or that older is better. While I did ask, why you’re on an 05 is pretty much irrelevant. The fact that you are is my point. You haven’t shown HD any reason to value your opinion in recent years if you’re not giving them money. Someone poised to actually buy a new tech laden, EFI powered, modern bike is what these companies are looking toward, especially since the changes happen often enough to warrant regular new bike purchases from people wanting performance machines. If everybody is at a point where they’re content with a 10+ year old machine since it’s largely the same, where are the new sales coming from?

The fact that the exact styles I have been looking to leave HD for are the ones that they are about to bring to the table show that there is a market for them, and obviously I’m not the only one that wants one. People not buying your product, or holding out for something new and different sure seem to be signs that a change should be happening. I’m not saying that any current offering has any reason to be abandoned (I think the existence of the 48 Special is sort of pointless, and the Iron 883 loses a ton of appeal with the price of the Iron 1200...), but new things certainly need to be offered to keep people interested in the brand.
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Like I said, I'm just playing Devils Advocate. I'm with you, if HD makes a bike it's a HD. I don't get the hate of some people for new models. The lack of coming out with new models, and HD Faithful (and dealerships) refusal to accept new models like the VRod or Buell as "Real Harley Davidson's" is what has gotten Harley to the point it is at.

Harley has to make changes or they will die as a company. They can't keep selling the same old bikes to ageing baby boomers for ever.

Someone should make a musical about all these old bikers, maybe have an old Jewish guy singing about traditions.
I completely agree here. Im tired of everyone putting down any new offerings from harley davidson. Im going to take it further and say they should no longer cater to those aging out of the 2 wheeled market. There are enough air cooled bikes and parts to keep them all running for 300 years. Someone will make a program to 3d print an EVO and its parts im sure so nobody needs to worry.

When Erik buell made bikes he used XR motors and eventually created a skunkworks of technology for harley for which all of our sportsters reap the benefits of to this day. They had harley engines and high performance in house tech with original design but "purists" said it wasn't a harley. It was cut from the line.

Harley made the VROD using the VR-1000 motor which was a harley design and creation. Harley contracted porshe to make it more streetable; they did not invent this motor. V-Rod hit the market for an impressive ~15 years with an original design and powerful output and still not a harley by the "purists" and ultimately cut from the line.

The new streetfighter is just what harley needs. It is more harley than the last buell that they sold because the engine is not ROTAX. An evolution of their own design in the revolution X overbored motor. Their own frame, their own parts. Mated with the best braking and suspension products (brembo,olins) on the stock bike. I agree that the thing doesn't classify as what a sportster has ever been (without DUHC, parallel pushrods, integrated trans, ect) but you better be damn sure this is a Harley Davidson with a capital HD. USA 'Murica.
If they call it a Sportster i would consider it a sin.

What if it turns out to be the best in segment. Outperforms ducati, triumph, the japs. Starts winning international road races. All those "purists" will flock and say "yea its a harley" and be proud. Come on you have to stick with your team when it takes chances. Or keep rooting for Babe Ruth and complain when the game moves on without you.

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What if it turns out to be the best in segment. Outperforms ducati, triumph, the japs. Starts winning international road races.
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