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It would be foolish to try and come out of the gate competing directly in the highest price point of the segment against the king of the segment.

I think they see this sort of expansion as a mid-range (both in CC and price points). At least I hope they do.

They already know that the lower price point segment IS the growth area of this market for the foreseeable future.
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Ducatis and BMWs are leaders of adventure bikes...
anyway...
to compete with them on their segment and at the same price... requires to have at disposal a bike with a top notch packet of technology items...
IMO a challenge very hard for a beginner in that segment... like Mo.Co.

that said
my personal tastes are against adv bikes... designed in origin to the sole purpose of crossing the desert...
today you can use them only for tourism purposes...
but i think that is another segment though... that has already his proper models
in fact they can afford to run outroad... only on very light gravel paths... truly pachyderms...
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Hey man, you need to check out the movie series "Long Way Round", I really didn't understand these bikes either until I watched Ewan McGregor and Charlie Borman go round the world on them. Awesome series.
+1 Great fun to watch.

And as Parrothead said, Long Way Down is great, too.

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Oh, and I like it, too. But I like almost every bike I see.

The exhaust, front tire and LED light bar headlight remind me of the Fat Bob a little.

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What I couldn't get over was the fact that Ewan and Charlie chose large displacement BMW twins instead of the more sensible lighter F series twins without the vulnerable boxer cylinders. Back in the 80s the R80GS made sense, I liked it but once the displacement and weight increased I wondered why anyone would bother when the DR650 and KLR650 were perfectly capable tourers and could actually handle in dirt. Up until a year ago I was still riding 700 mile days on my DRZ400 which could go all day on the highway yet once I hit fire roads and dirt it actually handled.
Where's the fun in taking the easy way?

I understand the better tool for the job, but remember one double-amputee Harley rider take a Harley on a similar trip. That certainly was an even worse choice.

Right or wrong the GS is the heir apparent to the image and arguably still BMWs flagship mount. They chose the one most likely to get support in one fashion or another (publicity) and curry favor from BMW.
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Oh, and I like it, too. But I like almost every bike I see.

The exhaust, front tire and LED light bar headlight remind me of the Fat Bob a little.

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Wouldn't be surprised if the LED light bar is the same as the Fatboy.

I generally like the look of the Pan America, but there is just something about the way the front fairing flows into the gas tank that I don't really care for. My eyes just keep getting drawn to that big gap. It's got a bit of a shark nosed look of the Road Glide, I think the PA would look better with a slightly wider fairing. Or get rid of that forward taper in the gas tank so it comes out closer to the fairing.

Another thing, looking at the photos, there is a small rectangle with a notch cut out in the adjustable windshield. Doesn't look like a light. I'm wondering if that is part of the automatic braking system Harley is working on? Like a Radar or Lidar unit.
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My guess they chose the big GSAs due to the need to carry all their gear and the fact that it has a 7+ gallon fuel tank so their range is incredible. From what they showed in the video the support team was not with them all that much so they had to carry what they needed to live on.
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My guess they chose the big GSAs due to the need to carry all their gear and the fact that it has a 7+ gallon fuel tank so their range is incredible. From what they showed in the video the support team was not with them all that much so they had to carry what they needed to live on.

The F800GS Adventure has a 6.3 gallon tank. A smaller bike gets better mileage, so it theoretically has a longer range than the 1200GS Adventure.

I think Bone really hit it, it's BMW's premium model and they probably get more support from BMW by showcasing it.

But then again we all know that a lot of motorcycling decisions are not made based on paper facts, there is a lot of emotion tied to our decisions. If we just looked at paper statistics no one would ride a Sportster in an Iron Butt. So they may have just liked that model of bike and that's enough of a reason for them to choose it. Maybe it's a familiarity with the maintenance or some other reason.

Those emotional decisions will be one thing helping the PA sales. I like my American made Harley, an adventure bike would fit my riding style very well, an American made Adventure Bike is a win win.
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The F800GS Adventure has a 6.3 gallon tank. A smaller bike gets better mileage, so it theoretically has a longer range than the 1200GS Adventure.

I think Bone really hit it, it's BMW's premium model and they probably get more support from BMW by showcasing it.

But then again we all know that a lot of motorcycling decisions are not made based on paper facts, there is a lot of emotion tied to our decisions. If we just looked at paper statistics no one would ride a Sportster in an Iron Butt. So they may have just liked that model of bike and that's enough of a reason for them to choose it. Maybe it's a familiarity with the maintenance or some other reason.

Those emotional decisions will be one thing helping the PA sales. I like my American made Harley, an adventure bike would fit my riding style very well, an American made Adventure Bike is a win win.
Agreed! I'd certainly give it a close look, however my next bike will be a Heritage or perhaps a Sport Glide so adding an adventure bike is a ways off. Assuming of course I can build another building to house my growing fleet as I currently have 4 bikes ...
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Agreed! I'd certainly give it a close look, however my next bike will be a Heritage or perhaps a Sport Glide so adding an adventure bike is a ways off. Assuming of course I can build another building to house my growing fleet as I currently have 4 bikes ...
I was poking around a new Sport Glide the other day... VERY nice...
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