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Possibilities:
a. stator is grounded (should be infinity at either end to ground)
b. stator is shorted (22 amp system ~ 0.2 to 0.4 ohms)
c. poor connection(s), regulator or stator
d. regulator failure
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"Apply negative/ground cable from car/truck battery to motor, close to starter and make sure it has a good "bite". Apply positive cable directly to lead FROM solenoid to starter."

Hey Doc I don't quite follow you here regarding the Pos cable. I'm not sure there is an exposed lead from the solenoid to the starter. There's the green wire that comes thru the harness to the solenoid, I've seen it referred to as the "trigger wire." And then there's the Pos terminal on the starter that accepts the Pos battery cable.
I wanna do this right bc I am truly at a loss why this bike continues to click instead of crank. Even with a jump wire btw the solenoid and the starter. Eventually it cranks but I have no idea why.
If I were jumping from a car I'd just connect the jumper cables to the batteries, or maybe I'd take the negative and hook it to a ground on the bike.
I prob won't get to try it toll the wknd but meanwhile hope you're well and thanks for your help!
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Might be easier to see on an ironhead:

http://xlforum.net/forums/s...postid=1338089

See post 15

On an EVO, the battery cable connects to solenoid and the solenoid output is 180 degrees across, but probably covered with a rubber type cap, as it goes to the starter.

If you jump to the battery lead, the solenoid contacts still need to close for the starter to spin/engage.

If you can access the solenoid output, without grounding the jumper, it will bypass the solenoid to see if the starter will spin.

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the simple way is to put the meter leads across the battery terminals and crank the engine
Prob a stupid question but if when I do this and all I get is the solenoid clicking....what should the battery voltage be? Because it's always the same 12.8v. I haven't been able to test it with the bike actually cranking.
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If battery voltage, while cranking, is over 10.5, the solenoid should not be clicking...unless there is a cable or cable connection issue.

http://xlforum.net/forums/s....php?t=1896417

Plan to check back Saturday PM.

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I priced a new stator and regulator at $215.00 Gas for my truck to take to dealer and again to pick it up is $150.00. Labour charges about $100.00??? Parts cost at the dealer $345.00 I've just ordered the parts even though the diagnosis is inconclusive. Worst case, a rotor is another $220.00. The money I'm saving might buy me a better electrical tester.
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Hey guys, hey Doc.

Just a quick question on the wiring schematic. .. what is the difference between a frame ground and a ground? For instance the plugs both show grounds... i guess that simply means the plugs are grounded once they're screwed in? Thanks!
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Hey guys, hey Doc.

Just a quick question on the wiring schematic. .. what is the difference between a frame ground and a ground? For instance the plugs both show grounds... i guess that simply means the plugs are grounded once they're screwed in? Thanks!
Older bikes, such as ironheads (pre 86) and early EVO used more frame/motor grounds. A poor mount on a frame grounded regulator was/is an issue.

Newer models use more harness/chassis grounds. For one, the regulator has two black wires to stator, a red wire to battery and a black wire to chassis ground.

It does not matter, if you have typically less than ~0.1 ohm from device to battery negative post.

Sparkplug prongs ground through threads to motor/trans, which, in turn has a heavy ground cable to battery negative post

Does that explain sufficiently?
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I got things apart today, ready to install a new stator. I could shoot the idiot engineer who routed the wiring. I know I could have cut off the plug and easily pulled the wire out, but then how would I know I was putting it back in the right place? You can't see where it goes, just keep moving things around by guess and by golly. I pulled a string back through everything, attached to the plug. Removed all mechanicals in about 45 minutes and then near 1 1/2 hours to get the wires out.
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