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That's exactly why I have a huge selection of tools.
Bought this one cause I couldn't find the other one even though I prefer the old one.
Found the old one and realized the newer one worked better.
Gathered so many freakin tools, I can't find none of them when I need them.
But man's got to have some kind of collections.
But those snap gauges, all they have to do is hold where you set them... not critical.

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You set a screwdriver on the bench vice in front of you and spend the next 30 minutes trying to figure out where you put it.
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I believe these would be better suited for the measuring task you have in front of you. Perhaps the tele gauges would fit in the bore for the hyd unit in the tappet body, but not so much for the plunger in the unit itself.
Shop around, I don’t think this ad is the lowest price available.
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I didn't take into consideration that small size.
My smallest snap gauge is 5/16"?
The hole gauges work good for the small stuff.
On both types, you need a "slight" drag at 90 degrees in the bore to get an accurate reading.
It generally takes a little practice to get it right.
If you are doing this tight of measuring, go with the mic also.
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too true too true mr. hippy
i can tell you where every thing is as long as they are in the tool chests, but as you say, sit down and put a tool down, not so good.
another issue is working in tight quarters and small parts.
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If you mean the tappet-to-tappet block clearance, thanks but this set only measures up to 1/2" bores and the tappet holes are wider than that. If I get serious about reconditioning the top end a set like that will come in handy for valve-to-valve guide fits...but I guess they won't work on tappet blocks.

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If you mean the tappet-to-tappet block clearance, thanks but this set only measures up to 1/2" bores and the tappet holes are wider than that. If I get serious about reconditioning the top end a set like that will come in handy for valve-to-valve guide fits...but I guess they won't work on tappet blocks.
I would think for your task at hand, you would be looking for the clearance between the plunger and the bore in the actual hyd unit.
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Sorry for the distraction. Looking back in the posts you steered away from the hyd unit and want to measure tappet to guide fit. Excessive clearance here will bypass pressure to the lifter as you probably already know. The Peterson test is checking condition of the unit itself.
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Thanks Mike yeah I sidetracked the thread and asked about the tappet clearance in the guide blocks. I looked at the set you linked to and thought they'd work nicely for valve guides. But then I read these valve guides are 5/8" wide (80" shovel). So I don't know, still researching...

My priority is fixing this sticky lifter anyway. Re: Petersen's test, I can't believe a guy who's been fabricating and machining parts for Harleys all his life is completely wrong. I must be doing the test incorrectly somehow. 2 bad lifters, 2 different brands and both fail the test in the same way? Seems unlikely. But the test is so simple I can't imagine what I'm doing wrong.

Like Hippy said I should fill it with oil and see what it does, whether it behaves the way it should. I think I understand how it's supposed to work. Because this "air test" sure isn't doing it for me.

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Don't read too far into what I said.
I still haven't figured out why the air test.
You could simply lightly oil the plunger and do the Peterson test also.
Since I'm not familiar with those lifters, it makes me wonder about that test.
Does that suggest you can pump them up but due to failing the Peterson test;
Will they continue to pump up in succession or not?
I don't want second guess the FSM. I would like to understand the reasoning better though.
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What is the original issue that led to you testing the units? Repeatable noisy tappet?
Are the tappet block gaskets installed correctly? As in not blocking the oil passage from case to block? Any set screws installed in any passages from previous owners solid conversion?
Just curious.
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