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I've always felt that the Pledge of Allegiance and other types of proclamations as somewhat phony. It's easy to make claims of God and Country and all too often are as false as a three dollar bill. After all, look at our federal politicians. They're constantly spouting off about God and Country and they are just about the most worthless group of people in our Nation.

I put much more faith in actions than proclamations.

I don't think that everyone who says the Pledge is phony but I suspect that very few have ever actually read the Constitution (along with it's revisions and amendments) or understand what it has meant (both good and bad),which doesn't bode well for our country. Most don't really know what they are pledging to. The flag is a symbol of that Consititution (which means a lot). That is its real meaning.
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Like 2008nightster, I too am proud to live in The United States of America and serve in her military. I also get some "different" feelings when the National Anthem is played or sung.

For me, both have a deep rooted meaning in my life that I hope to pass on to my two sons. I have seen the cost of defending our nation pertaining to the lives of our troops. Those men and women took the opportunity to serve the greatest nation on Earth. It isn't a job for everybody, but to me, it's a job that everyone should truly appreciate.

I feel that as a Soldier, I offer my pledge with a strong sense of committment as opposed to individuals who merely know the words. It's phony sounding if people say it just because everyone else is saying it. It's very compelling when said with conviction.

As for the National Anthem, I have to admit that I can get misty eyed when it's sung with sincerity. I imagine that I relate it to things that I've seen during my tours over here. For some folks, it's a great song to start sports events. For me, it's a moment to reflect on the sacrifices that my fellow troops and friends have made or are making currently.

I truly wish that these two things meant the same to everyone else as they do to me. I have seen on more than one occasion where people talk during or mock the Anthem and I quickly put their behavior in check. I believe that those who do things like that have never given consideration to their nation or it's service members and what they are willing to face on their behalf. School must not be teaching that these days.

I received an email from my dad several months ago which showed several actors/entertainers and their entertainment history at the beginning of the presentation. I believe it went through the 60's. At the end it displayed their branch of service, medals earned, accomplishments on the battlefield, and asked a really good question. Who out of today's entertainers, would put their career on hold to serve their nation? I'll be honest, I couldn't really think of any. I'm sure there's got to be more than Pat Tillman(football player) that have served in recent conflicts. Who else recently has done so for sure?

ps..not trying to hijack the thread.
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Well spoken Rick. As a retired Australian Infantry officer, I can relate to all that you have said.

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Like 2008nightster, I too am proud to live in The United States of America and serve in her military. I also get some "different" feelings when the National Anthem is played or sung.

For me, both have a deep rooted meaning in my life that I hope to pass on to my two sons. I have seen the cost of defending our nation pertaining to the lives of our troops. Those men and women took the opportunity to serve the greatest nation on Earth. It isn't a job for everybody, but to me, it's a job that everyone should truly appreciate.

I feel that as a Soldier, I offer my pledge with a strong sense of committment as opposed to individuals who merely know the words. It's phony sounding if people say it just because everyone else is saying it. It's very compelling when said with conviction.

As for the National Anthem, I have to admit that I can get misty eyed when it's sung with sincerity. I imagine that I relate it to things that I've seen during my tours over here. For some folks, it's a great song to start sports events. For me, it's a moment to reflect on the sacrifices that my fellow troops and friends have made or are making currently.

I truly wish that these two things meant the same to everyone else as they do to me. I have seen on more than one occasion where people talk during or mock the Anthem and I quickly put their behavior in check. I believe that those who do things like that have never given consideration to their nation or it's service members and what they are willing to face on their behalf. School must not be teaching that these days.

I received an email from my dad several months ago which showed several actors/entertainers and their entertainment history at the beginning of the presentation. I believe it went through the 60's. At the end it displayed their branch of service, medals earned, accomplishments on the battlefield, and asked a really good question. Who out of today's entertainers, would put their career on hold to serve their nation? I'll be honest, I couldn't really think of any. I'm sure there's got to be more than Pat Tillman(football player) that have served in recent conflicts. Who else recently has done so for sure?

ps..not trying to hijack the thread.
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"one nation under god "that is false since the 80 s, We as a country is no longer a god fearing nation are gov. passes laws over god laws giving rights to gays ,to married? everything about the law of the land is a decay of man ,No wonder the mouslems what to Kill us all......Earth quakes ,floods .and War from within ...is just the begining...
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Red Skelton was a great man and a great comedian.

I've always felt that the Pledge of Allegiance and other types of proclamations as somewhat phony. It's easy to make claims of God and Country and all too often are as false as a three dollar bill. After all, look at our federal politicians. They're constantly spouting off about God and Country and they are just about the most worthless group of people in our Nation.

I put much more faith in actions than proclamations.
I agree, it is easy to say you love god and country, it is much harder to live that way..
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I beleive it is time for all americans to set aside petty differences of opinion in meaningless debates over flag burning, stem cell research, etc, and realize that our government is supposed to fear us, not the other way around.
Hows it go again, "When the Governement fears the people you have Liberty" & "When the people fear the government you have Tyranny"..
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As for the National Anthem, I have to admit that I can get misty eyed when it's sung with sincerity. I imagine that I relate it to things that I've seen during my tours over here. For some folks, it's a great song to start sports events. For me, it's a moment to reflect on the sacrifices that my fellow troops and friends have made or are making currently.

I truly wish that these two things meant the same to everyone else as they do to me. I have seen on more than one occasion where people talk during or mock the Anthem and I quickly put their behavior in check. I believe that those who do things like that have never given consideration to their nation or it's service members and what they are willing to face on their behalf. School must not be teaching that these days.

Rick, I don't look at it as the school's fault, rather I think it's the fault of significant elements of our society (reflected in the school) which seem to value and promote cheap entertainment and cheap values (much in T.V. and Movies) instead of things and ideals that have real value. Parents come into play, but even then it's tough to combat the easy self-serving way that the media so consistently promotes. Parents, families and friends and others are important.

You might appreciate the story of how the tradition of playing the National Anthem before sporting events came to be. It was Sept. 1918, and the Boston Red Sox were in Chicago playing in an early World Series against the Cubs. The U.S. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 27th, 30th and 42nd (and other) Divisions had already seen some significant action but the big coordinated American push was yet to come. During four years of murderous stalemate the British and the French had spent a whole generation of brave young men during four years of murderous stalemate. They were stubbornly holding on. Much of the offensive energy was now going to have to come from our mostly inexperienced but fresh army. The public was aware that we had been shipping boys over there almost as fast as we could get them into a uniform and they could sense that something big was imminent. During the game, patriotic fervor was running at its peak when spontaneously, during the 7th inning stretch, the band struck up the Star Spangled Banner and everyone started to their feet! One can only imagine the shivers that must have run up and down their spines! The idea caught on, a tradition was born and the The Star Spangled Banner is now played before sporting events all across this country.

My grandfather was a Machine Gunner in the St. Mihiel offensive that quickly followed, was then pinned down and shelled in open position in the Limey Sector (nothing to do with the Brits) for a couple of weeks, and then again was in for a tough slugging it out at the north end of the Argonne Forest and beyond during October and November of 1918. Whenever I hear The National Anthem being played I always think of him and the brutal hell that he went through and I think of the band that started it all during a pivotal moment in history at that World Series game so many years ago. I also think of other times, places and people of years past and especially of the young men and women of today, many of whom have given parts (or all) of themselves that they can never get back.
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"one nation under god "that is false since the 80 s, We as a country is no longer a god fearing nation are gov. passes laws over god laws giving rights to gays ,to married?
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You, my friend, are an ignorant pathetic person. What have you done in your life to earn any rights that you have? You were given them and didnt have to work a day in your life for them would be my bet. People like you are the people that make me sad for the human race. People who take everything for granted and cant accept other people. You are no better then the damn Westboro church followers.
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