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Ya - I saw that one too:

Similar, but enough differences if you examine them closely enough.

And Harley has done similar stuff with the Sportster throughout the years -
same engine/chassis with different tanks, fenders, lights and so on.
I'm not sure the two in the pics have the same exact engine/chassis though.
In the link felis provided us it says:
"Harley-Davidson did not provide specific technical details about the new model beyond the 338cc displacement. Supplied renderings of the proposed model appear to show a trellis frame, swingarm, suspension and engine similar to those used on the Benelli TNT300 (pictured below). The Benelli runs on a liquid-cooled four-valve DOHC 300cc parallel Twin, and if the renderings are a true indication, we should expect he new Harley model to be similar, but with the larger displacement. If the new model does carry on most of the elements of the Benelli TNT300, then much of the development would already be complete"

So, basically it's the same, but with 38 cc more. There must be a real funny guy working there: An 338 in stead of an 883...
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Mine’s reliable and doesn’t leak. It’s fast enough for me too.
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I've heard that 2019 may be the last year for the Sportster as we know it. I think they are doing away with the Evo motor entirely. If you find this hard to believe, they had no problem doing away with the Vrod and the big twin evo's. Can the Sportster be far behind? After all just about everything out there is faster, more reliable and doesn't leak. Harley can't keep making these dinosaurs for ever, no matter how much we love them. Harley is being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They are going to have to modernize and compete.
OK I'll take the bait: The V rod had poor sales. Evo Sportsters are pretty tight in my experience, and plenty fast. Dragged kicking and screaming by whom? A bunch of un-elected bureaucrats who write new laws upon new laws every year? (Another reason why the Don was elected). Dinosaurs? They've got computer controlled sequential port fuel injection! Anyway, it will be interesting to see the new Sportsters
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I've heard that 2019 may be the last year for the Sportster as we know it. I think they are doing away with the Evo motor entirely. If you find this hard to believe, they had no problem doing away with the Vrod and the big twin evo's. Can the Sportster be far behind? After all just about everything out there is faster, more reliable and doesn't leak. Harley can't keep making these dinosaurs for ever, no matter how much we love them. Harley is being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. They are going to have to modernize and compete.
I think it's also a 'generation' thing. I like these dinosaurs, but the new generation of riders want a hassle free bike, they ride to a dealer just to get their tires on the right pressure (honestly). Most of them don't have a bond with a certain brand anymore. Harley knows that damn well. They don't care about 'the old days' and the now 'older guys and girls'. They are targetting the new generation of motorcyclist. I can understand, they have to to survive.

For me nothing have to change, but I know it will. Mine doesn't leak, it 'sweats' here and there, not much for a 27 year old bike (Harley!). There's not really oil leaking or dripping out. It's not enough to tear it apart. But it's not what one expects from a company that produces motorcycles for over 116 years.
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You can brag up all the new tech you want. Reliability? I rode a '97 Suzuki Marauder 800 for 10 yrs., basically trouble free. Their online presence-then 4000 members, now maybe 8000 members, that included 1400cc and 800cc Intruders, too. They have similar problems, the Sportster and other bikes had too, but little market support. When I rode my 650 Yamaha for 9 years, same problem...minimal support.
My Sportster doesn't leak and has been problem free. I like the fact that I can repair it myself. The Online presence is awesome and if I can't figure something out, I can always look to you guys for help and inspiration. I think the MoCo sees it, too. There were slumps in the market before and if they can come out with something new, good for them. But I really don't see the Sportster line going away, either.
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I don't really care what they bring out for 2020 - I've never bought a brand-new motorcycle and (at my age) I never will - So, as long as their new sales (of whatever) keeps the company in business, I'll be happy if they continue to supply (for a little while longer) some of the maintenance or repair parts we need for the older bikes...

Of course, having the history it does, there will be aftermarket, take off and even some upgrade parts available for my bike till I can no longer ride it...

I say best of luck with whatever they do... (but it would be a shame to drag the Sportster name down by applying it to an inferior product)

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Interesting that Yamaha,Royal Enfield, Kawasaki Moto Guzzi and BMW are still making air cooled twins, another new retro BMW is coming for 2020
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I think it's also a 'generation' thing. I like these dinosaurs, but the new generation of riders want a hassle free bike, they ride to a dealer just to get their tires on the right pressure (honestly). Most of them don't have a bond with a certain brand anymore. Harley knows that damn well. They don't care about 'the old days' and the now 'older guys and girls'. They are targetting the new generation of motorcyclist. I can understand, they have to to survive.



For me nothing have to change, but I know it will. Mine doesn't leak, it 'sweats' here and there, not much for a 27 year old bike (Harley!). There's not really oil leaking or dripping out. It's not enough to tear it apart. But it's not what one expects from a company that produces motorcycles for over 116 years.


theres no such thing as a ‘new generation of riders’, at least here in the west.

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theres no such thing as a ‘new generation of riders’, at least here in the west.
Really? Try Google some more.

https://fortune.com/2019/01/27/mille...n-motorcycles/

https://www.fox4now.com/news/nationa...maker-for-kids

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...tion-of-riders

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...ration-riders/

https://www.fix.com/blog/new-generat...vidson-riders/

...etc...etc...etc...
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OK I'll take the bait: The V rod had poor sales. Evo Sportsters are pretty tight in my experience, and plenty fast. Dragged kicking and screaming by whom? A bunch of un-elected bureaucrats who write new laws upon new laws every year? (Another reason why the Don was elected). Dinosaurs? They've got computer controlled sequential port fuel injection! Anyway, it will be interesting to see the new Sportsters
Not trying to bait anyone, just saying. I think this new Harley Bareknuckle (they have trademarked the name) is going to replace the Sportie. I'm seeing unit construction, water cooloage, overhead cammage and 1200 ccs. I would be surprised if H-D keeps the tooling for the Evo motor when the Sportster is the only bike in their product line that still uses it. They are obviously in the process of dumping the evo motor. The Milwaukee eight is a completely different motor than the old Evo. It has absolutely NO parts that will interchange with it. Hell even Volkswagen finally stopped making the Beetle.

Personally I'm looking forward to what comes next. Harley-Davidson has some real stiff competition out there. I hope they come up with a real ass kicker that won't pee on your garage floor.
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