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OK back to step 1 this weekend I will set curve 2 and follow directions above. My cams are set correct, pinion gear is good checked it last night. My problem is I am on curve 4 fully retarded counterclockwise as far as it will go it feels sluggish under 4000rpm (makes sense I'm on curve 4 fully retarted.) But I am still getting detonation under load after the bIke has been fully warmed up. Can't figure it out. It still cranks fine. Could it be so far retarded it will detonate? But then it seems like it would not idle. 2 different shops same problem... My thought I will start over play with ignition more. Check VOES to see if it is somehow backwards (maybe light should stay on and go off under load?) If all else fails I guess i will have to go with a different ignition
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I have ordered the DIPK-1 programing cable so hopefully I can have it installed within the next couple weeks. Should have taken the advice earlier. If you plan on doing this upgrade go ahead and wire in the cable (especially if you have dual plug heads.) I feel like I can not retard the module enough without it. Steel worker on an earlier post you said you were running around 24 total advance. Any way you could post those numbers? From what I have read into there is a map for WOT and Part throtle. Are both curves the same? I am running NRHS 1250 10.5-1 comp kit, stage 2 light ported, decked, dual plug heads. I feel like our setup would be close and I am lost with this ignition timing. It was hard to tell the numbers from the 3rd curve you programed on a previous post (think it was an orange or pink line on the graph.) Thanks for your help!
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I have ordered the DIPK-1 programing cable so hopefully I can have it installed within the next couple weeks. Should have taken the advice earlier. If you plan on doing this upgrade go ahead and wire in the cable (especially if you have dual plug heads.) I feel like I can not retard the module enough without it. Steel worker on an earlier post you said you were running around 24 total advance. Any way you could post those numbers? From what I have read into there is a map for WOT and Part throtle. Are both curves the same? I am running NRHS 1250 10.5-1 comp kit, stage 2 light ported, decked, dual plug heads. I feel like our setup would be close and I am lost with this ignition timing. It was hard to tell the numbers from the 3rd curve you programed on a previous post (think it was an orange or pink line on the graph.) Thanks for your help!
If you are running Andrews N6 cams they will not work for xl1200s 1998 stock ignition. I did get dyna 2000i and tend to make it work with N6 cams. Anyone has this cams on S model?

p.s. You guys maby not hearing pinging ,you maby heara thin oil and rockers or lifters clicking. ??
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Steel worker on an earlier post you said you were running around 24 total advance. Any way you could post those numbers? From what I have read into there is a map for WOT and Part throtle. Are both curves the same? I am running NRHS 1250 10.5-1 comp kit, stage 2 light ported, decked, dual plug heads. I feel like our setup would be close and I am lost with this ignition timing. It was hard to tell the numbers from the 3rd curve you programed on a previous post (think it was an orange or pink line on the graph.) Thanks for your help!

These are the settings of the orange curve. It's been a while since i did this, and laptop changes mean I've lost the last readings I installed, but I don't recall changing it much from these, except for maybe a few degrees more advance below 1000rpm to aid starting. /this should be a good starting point.

WIDE OPEN THROTTLE
500rpm 3 degrees
1000rpm 8 degrees
1500rpm 10 degrees
2000rpm 12 degrees
2500rpm 15 degrees
3000rpm 18 degrees
3600rpm 21 degrees
5000rpm 24 degrees
6000rpm 24 degrees
7000rpm 24 degrees

PART THROTTLE
100rpm 1 degree
500rpm 10 degrees
900rpm 15 degrees
1200rpm 20 degrees
1500rpm 24 degrees
2000rpm 24 degrees
3600rpm 24 degrees
5000rpm 24 degrees
6000rpm 24 degrees
7000rpm 24 degrees
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This thread applies only to the Sportster Sport XL1200S with twin plug heads and single-fire ignition produced between 1998 and 2003. Owners of other Sportster models please look away now - specifically, none of what follows can be applied to the Nightster.

This is something that I suspect will come to all 1200S owners eventually, as stock and SE ignition components become more difficult to source, so I thought I'd document it as best I could for reference.

My SE7500 ignition module gave up the ghost a few months ago, since when I've been running the stock module. I considered searching around for a new SE module, but decided that would be postponing the inevitable, and that the aftermarket systems would probably perform better anyway.

PLEASE NOTE: by doing this mod, you will lose certain functions from the 1200S... specifically, the diagnostic (fault code) function and the related check-engine light on the speedo, which are both tied into the stock ignition module. Since these have been of limited (i.e. zero) use to me over the past 14 years, I am not too concerned about it. The frame-mount Sportster electrical system is so basic (and this modification will make it even more simple), that a diagnostic sytem with data-link can be considered more or less redundant.

Swapping the ignition module means you also have to swap the coils, as most aftermarket systems require coils with a 3 ohm primary resistance, compared to 0.5 ohm for the stock 1200S coils.

The system I decided on is the Dynatek D2Ki-3P, which comes with two traditional style Dyna DC1-1 twin-post coils. The Dynatek module has switches on the front to pick different advance curves. For about another $120 you can get a programming kit with harness (when you plug in the programmer, you can upload a map and disable the switches on the module) but one of Dynatek's (very helpful) reps advised to try the switches first - he said that among the range available there should be a curve to suit most bikes.

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The coils:


Instead of the kit with twin coils that I bought, you could just buy the module, plus a single Dyna DC6-4 four output coil...


This unit is arguably more modern-looking, and, with the use of a mounting bracket from one of the other Sportsters, could probably be fitted in the same location as the stock coil and remain closer to the stock look. However, I'm looking to mount the coils on the left hand side, for a more old-fashioned look and to liven up the look of the "boring" side of the engine.

Similar programmable nose cone ignitions are also available from Ultima (whose unit appears appears to be a re-badged Dynatek module); and from Daytona Twin Tec.
This note from Daytona Twin Tec's website:


To replace my MAP sensor, I ordered Daytona Twin Tec's VOES kit. This is set at 6-7 in-Hg, instead of the stock 3.5-4.5 In-Hg, to reduce spark knock during light load and throttle roll-on. The kit comes with mounting bracket, electrical connectors, instructions and a new hose. I also ordered their timing rotor, which is basically the stock rotor for most Harleys except the 1200S. You'll see the difference later...



While I was thinking about how to mount the coils, I heard that my local dealer, Black Bear HD/Buell in Newmarket, England, were offering a deal on all purchases in January; so I ordered from the Zodiac catalogue a top motor mount and coil bracket by MW of Germany.


Similar brackets are available in the states from a company called Yankee Engineuity.

Pics to follow...
Would this coil bracket work with stock coils?
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It would not work with the stock 1200S coil.
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Would you be interested in selling your OEM module or any other OEM take off parts you removed in the process of this build?
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CCC, steelworker has not posted a little over a year so you may want to send him a PM, for which he may be set up to receive an email when a PM is sent to him. He is in England, so there is a time difference.
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