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So I have been wanting to do this for a while. Especially since I got my second Sporty and it had a 7" Headlight from a softail heritage on it.

I decided to pull the trigger and go with the Burly Brand 15" Shocks, add a steering stabilizer, and get rid of the 5 3/4 in headlight and visor to go with the Drag Specialties 7" Head light.

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Those 15" really made a whole lot of difference, for the better! Any belt clearance or binding issues or wobble tendencies? Might want to consider raising the front a tiny bit as well. I personally feel a Sportster should have the iconic visor however, but hey, it's your bike and it's a nice one!
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Those 15" really made a whole lot of difference, for the better! Any belt clearance or binding issues or wobble tendencies? Might want to consider raising the front a tiny bit as well. I personally feel a Sportster should have the iconic visor however, but hey, it's your bike and it's a nice one!
Thanks, I have no belt clearance issues but I have rear sets and moved my master cylinder. I took it out and got it up to around 118mph and it was smooth as silk. I did install a DBI Steering Stabilizer a week or so later just in case and that made a huge difference. I actually lowered the front about 5/8 of an inch. I like the stance a lot.
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Thanks, I have no belt clearance issues but I have rear sets and moved my master cylinder. I took it out and got it up to around 118mph and it was smooth as silk. I did install a DBI Steering Stabilizer a week or so later just in case and that made a huge difference. I actually lowered the front about 5/8 of an inch. I like the stance a lot.
I usually just say it's your bike, do as you like but this I'm having a hard time understanding. I mean, you have a hopped up engine, brakes, wheels and rear suspension, and then you lower the already too low front suspension? I would call your bike a potential death trap, XLXR will go crazy if he see this.... For your own safety and comfort, I would get correct rated linear springs in those forks, together with a damper rod from a 1200L.
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I usually just say it's your bike, do as you like but this I'm having a hard time understanding. I mean, you have a hopped up engine, brakes, wheels and rear suspension, and then you lower the already too low front suspension? I would call your bike a potential death trap, XLXR will go crazy if he see this.... For your own safety and comfort, I would get correct rated linear springs in those forks, together with a damper rod from a 1200L.
The goal of getting the rear end higher and the front end lower is to change the geometry of the bike and pull in the front forks as much as possible. The rake on the OEM 883 is to far out and causes it to take corners like a chopper. I built this bike to perform as close to a sport bike as I can get an 883 to do.

That being said. I have progressive springs in the front and preload adjusters on the top. I say I lowered the front by 5/8 but with the preloads set the way I have it actually sits a little higher static. I had to cut the spacer inside the forks because I was having an issue with the bike over extending. Instead of the common problem of Sportys bottoming out when the brakes are hit mine was going the other way. By cutting the spacer it has stopped this. The front suspension is stiff and comfortable.

I also have a 48 with stock front suspension and there is no comparison. I will admit to not being a pro at this but I have owned pretty much every style of bike and have ridden motorcycles since I was 10. This bike doesn't perform like my sport bikes but it is just about as close as I can get it. I have had no stability issues thus far.
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Well if you feel comfortable with that geometry then don't mind me, I'm no expert either! Just remember that the sportster isn't really a sport bike and it won't become one just because you radically change the rake. One thing to bear in mind is that a sport bike has pretty useful suspension travel up front, which a stock Iron does not have. Also, you are not only changing the rake, you are also moving the weight distribution to the front.

Bottom line, a Sportster with jacked up rear, very little travel up front and with more weight distributed to the front might help the bike turn in quicker, but it is by no means a sport bike according to my book. A good working suspension with adequate travel is the key, and I fear you may realise to late how important that is when taking a corner a bit to fast and you suddenly hit a pot hole, or when going fast down the freeway and your bike goes into uncontrollable wobble.

As I said, I'm no expert and as long as you feel confident in what you are doing then don't mind me, I just don't want to see you or anybody else in danger for not being fully aware of the potential risk you are taking with that setup.
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I'll say the same thing here that I'll said over there: you spammed the board with a ton of pic heavy posts that attempted to recreate what was already in place in other places on the Internet instead of just posting links to you build threads. It was not the most welcoming way to introduce yourself with a too heavy post, esp. for a forum that has a pretty specific introduction requirement which you did only moments before posting that pic heavy post. It also show you read nothing of the information for newbies and just assumed you would be welcome because hey, another internet forum right? How could too much publicity be a bad thing?

I posted the reply that made you run for the hills because frankly pic heavy threads without warning slow down the load times for the board. And my sole comment was "what the f#%^k". If that is enough to make you soak your drawers and run for the hills then fine, stick to the sites that love you. I can tell you from looking at your project it is all for the best, since your "cafe racer themed" chopper with low bars doesn't really meet the definition of cafe racer standards for that site anyway. Besides we are having a good time laughing about how quick you split and how clueless you seem to be, I'd hate for you to come back and spoil it with a bunch of butt hurt rants about how we should all be nice to each other and eat tofu and crap like that.

So basically the TLDR version: you didn't read, you didn't follow the rules, you made a lot of incorrect assumptions, and now you wonder why people were a dick to you. Sounds like the Internet to me.

FWIW, I Did read somewhere else here that they think that board is anti Harley, and to a certain degree that may be a little true as the "culture" of Harley Davidson has a lot that is inconsistent with road racing performance motorcycles, and hasn't been focused on that in a long time (though Erik Buell certainly kept the torch alive for many years post dick OBrien era HD racing). But there are some members of the board who know assless chaps, beards, and tats is not the sum total of the HD universe, even if that is what gets the most press these days.
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Well if you feel comfortable with that geometry then don't mind me, I'm no expert either! Just remember that the sportster isn't really a sport bike and it won't become one just because you radically change the rake. One thing to bear in mind is that a sport bike has pretty useful suspension travel up front, which a stock Iron does not have. Also, you are not only changing the rake, you are also moving the weight distribution to the front.

Bottom line, a Sportster with jacked up rear, very little travel up front and with more weight distributed to the front might help the bike turn in quicker, but it is by no means a sport bike according to my book. A good working suspension with adequate travel is the key, and I fear you may realise to late how important that is when taking a corner a bit to fast and you suddenly hit a pot hole, or when going fast down the freeway and your bike goes into uncontrollable wobble.

As I said, I'm no expert and as long as you feel confident in what you are doing then don't mind me, I just don't want to see you or anybody else in danger for not being fully aware of the potential risk you are taking with that setup.
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The goal of getting the rear end higher and the front end lower is to change the geometry of the bike and pull in the front forks as much as possible. The rake on the OEM 883 is to far out and causes it to take corners like a chopper. I built this bike to perform as close to a sport bike as I can get an 883 to do.

That being said. I have progressive springs in the front and preload adjusters on the top. I say I lowered the front by 5/8 but with the preloads set the way I have it actually sits a little higher static. I had to cut the spacer inside the forks because I was having an issue with the bike over extending. Instead of the common problem of Sportys bottoming out when the brakes are hit mine was going the other way. By cutting the spacer it has stopped this. The front suspension is stiff and comfortable.

I also have a 48 with stock front suspension and there is no comparison. I will admit to not being a pro at this but I have owned pretty much every style of bike and have ridden motorcycles since I was 10. This bike doesn't perform like my sport bikes but it is just about as close as I can get it. I have had no stability issues thus far.

I pretty much fell in love with the suspension set up on my 883 cafe. No, its not truly in the sport bike territory as the some of the other members posted, but I'll tell you, its no slouch either. A twisty highway becomes a bag full of fun and laughs. Its light on its feet, and small and light enough to do some sport riding with a smile. OF course, running better (non-Harley) tires makes a world of difference. Cris, enjoy your creation. regardless of the negative, you did a excellent transformation
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So I have been wanting to do this for a while. Especially since I got my second Sporty and it had a 7" Headlight from a softail heritage on it.

I decided to pull the trigger and go with the Burly Brand 15" Shocks, add a steering stabilizer, and get rid of the 5 3/4 in headlight and visor to go with the Drag Specialties 7" Head light.

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Looks pretty rad man.
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