cb4017
2nd August 2005, 15:05
I've got a set of W grind cams (.476 lift) from a 2000 Sportster Sport laying around and a 2002 Buell M2. I'm considering putting the cams in the Buell and I'm wondering if it would be worth doing so. Or, would I be better off with the SE bolt-in or Andrews N4/N8 cams?
My M2 is stock with a modified forcewinder aircleaner and 45 slow jet. I also have a D&D slip on muffler I can use.
Thanks for any advice.
stevo
2nd August 2005, 15:22
The W cams are a good street cam ... sit about the same spot as N2's in the scheme of things, with more lift but less overlap, so exhausts aren't as critical..
Just check as I've has some people say the Cyclones had W's in them .... I always thought they had D's
Se bolt-ins and N4's are almost identical and move the power a little up the rev range...still a very streetable cam for a 1200.
N8's and SE 0.536's start to need headwork to make them work well and are better suited to someone who wants to rev it.
Turbota
3rd August 2005, 04:57
I can't confirm this, but Aaron at NRHS was telling me that the Buell cams are different from the Sporty cams.
The reason I asked him this is because I wanted to know if there was any difference between the new 04-05 specific XL1200 SE (.551" lift) cams and the Buell XB12 cams. He told me they both have the exact same specs ... but the actual cams are different do to there application.
Now, your talkin about a Buell Cyclone ... That may be a different deal, but I thought I would at least give you a heads-up on some of these newer Buells vs the Sportys ... something you may want to check into.
Ron,
Turbota
3rd August 2005, 05:11
BTW, the 04-05 XL1200 and the Sportster Sport (1200-S) all use the W grind cams.
I believe the 03 and earlier year 1200s (except the 1200-S) and all 883s use the old D grind cams.
Here are the rest of the specs on those W grind cams:
Duration:
223 / 240
Lift:
.497" / .497"
Timing:
Int. opens/closes: 05 / 38
Ext. opens/closes: 46 / 14
stevo
3rd August 2005, 05:28
Tube frame buells used the same basic motor as the sporties of those years...
Cams are directly interchangeable...
The XB cams have a different numbering system
Turbota
3rd August 2005, 05:36
Stevo's da man .... He is much more familiar with this than I am. I just wanted to bring this up because there is a difference in these late model Buell vs Sporty cams as to there physical dimensions, even though there specs may be the same.
aswracing
3rd August 2005, 13:29
Turbota is correct, 03 and newer Buells are XB's. They've all come with "E" cams, although they have their marks and timing cup keyway in a different place because they're in a different position in the motor (1-2-3-4 from front to rear instead of rear to front). The XB motor is a little different in other ways, too.
'02 and older Buells had XL motors, although with different top ends and different cams in some cases.
M2 Cyclones were made from '97 through '02 and all domestic Cyclones had "D" cams. European and possibly some other international Cyclones had SE bolt-ins. SE bolt-ins are called "B" cams by the factory guys but they ain't got no "B" on them. They're marked 15-1, 15-2, 15-3, 15-4. They're literally Andrews N4's with different markings, BTW.
Buell S1 abd X1 Lightning models were made from '96 through '02 and came with SE bolt-ins.
Buell S2 Thunderbolt models were made from '95 to '96 and came with "D" cams.
Buell S3 Thunderbolt models were made from '97 through '02 and came with SE bolt-ins.
The only Buell I'm aware of that came with "W" cams (and still does) is the Blast. It's got an XB type cam box with only two cams in it, the number 1 and 2 cams. They're XL cams but they're double marked so they can be put in either XL or XB motors.