i talked to simons performance yesterday.i told him i wanted a reliable 85 to 90 h/p 1200 conversion on my 04ster.now if you want i can list all the parts,but he said it will be at 90-95 h/p and worryfree. with everything done soup to nuts will be 2900 that includes the head work. is this a good price?
thanks.jay.

90-95Hp at what rpm though? That kind of HP at 7000rpm isn't all that reliable I don't think. List the parts and let us all see.

harleymanjay04

Curious to see a Parts list!! :D

www.simonsperformance.com
click performance kits on the left.2900 just seemed alittle high to me.i don't claim to know about this stuff,i'm new. so any help you guys can offer is greatly appreciated.thanks.jay

The 883 to 1200 conversion kits start at $995

Am I missing something here?

http://www.simonsperformance.com/images/PerformanceKits/883_1200kit.jpg

Seems a little on the high side. Now that I've looked at the parts list I KNOW it's more than a little high. :frownthre

Seems a little on the high side. Now that I've looked at the parts list I KNOW it's more than a little high. :frownthrethats what i thought.especially when i saw the starts at 995 price. thanks for copy and pasting.i couldn't get that to work for me. so what should i do,or where should i go. se?

Turbota gets the credit for the copy and paste. He can always be counted on to do nice things like that. :)

Do what you'd do for any major purchase. Call around to as many places as you can and get estimates. Know what you want before hand. Don't be oversold by outrageous claims. Don't discount local indys. Some of them are very reputable. Rely on friends for recommendations and listen to your fellow posters. Depending on where you live, someone in here may be able to help. You have plenty of time before riding season kicks in again so take your time.

From my personal point of view, if you're looking for power and reliability stick with the bread and butter 1200 conversion. It's the best bang for the buck. The rest can come at a later time if you still feel the need for more power.

i hear ya bro. i guess i should say,that price was for the parts and labor.i don't think i mentioned that before.maybe i'll just buy the 1200 kit and a set of cams,then later on i'll do the carb and ignition.even if that is a good deal b/c it includes the labor,i don't have 2900 bucks.

i hear ya bro. i guess i should say,that price was for the parts and labor.i don't think i mentioned that before.maybe i'll just buy the 1200 kit and a set of cams,then later on i'll do the carb and ignition.even if that is a good deal b/c it includes the labor,i don't have 2900 bucks.

Fair enough but KNOW what you're looking for when you buy cams. I'll get some flack for this but from all accounts, the stock HD cams can't be beat for all around performance.

Fair enough but KNOW what you're looking for when you buy cams. I'll get some flack for this but from all accounts, the stock HD cams can't be beat for all around performance.i've heard that alot from diff. poeple.the specs from the fact and the aftermarket aren't that diff.the only thing i can see is the aftermarket ones go up higher in the rpms before they peak out and giving about 10 h/p.before i decided to do the conv,i was goin to to get an ignition,44mm carb,and cams.i still might do that.it depends on my money situation. iwas really hoping to do the conv for about 1500,but then poeple started to say that i need to have my heads bored and valves done and adjustable push rods installed. so lets put it this way i don't know wich way is up,or what the hell to do.

In my opinion (I know everybody has one) scratch the 44mm carb-unless your going 1,000,000 mph it's pointless and wasted on a 1200cc motor, ignition- I would do last, and as far as cams, N2's give great bottom end power ecspecially with a 883-1200 conversion and N4's would give you a little more peak HP and a bit less on TQ. They love the 883 heads and give great torque. But hey, it's just my opinion.

I still think the best set of cams for that 883 converted to a 1200 is a set of stock 04-05 1200 cams. They are in fact identical cams to the 1200-S (Sport)

They are a lot more cam than that 883 came with.

Now, if only someone could actually tell me for sure if the 04-05 1200 cams will in fact fit in a 03-04 883 motor?

If they do .... I got a set with very low miles! .... And don't worry, these cams are "roller" cams. A very low mileage set is just like a brand new set. They don't get the wear patterns in them that a set on non-rollers do .... FACT

Ron,

I bet my 04 1200 cams have less miles on them than your 1200 cams. na-na

Why wouldn't they fit? The only difference is the fine tooth gears. They mic the same as older ones.



ps. sorry, couldn't resist.

Ok Barry ... Now, we are not going to get in a low price wars on these 1200 cams we both are setting on ... now, are we :)

$90 for a set? (fixed price)?

In my opinion (I know everybody has one) scratch the 44mm carb-unless your going 1,000,000 mph it's pointless and wasted on a 1200cc motor, ignition- I would do last, and as far as cams, N2's give great bottom end power ecspecially with a 883-1200 conversion and N4's would give you a little more peak HP and a bit less on TQ. They love the 883 heads and give great torque. But hey, it's just my opinion.why do you say a 44 is a waist? and do you think i'll get a good kick out of just doing cams and the conv w/o doing the push rods,valves,and then using nallin conv kit.is the kit they have really all you need as shown in the pics they have?

i don't know wich way is up,or what the hell to do.

Ok lets start small. The bread and butter conversion is a simple bore and pistons. That will net a full 50% boost in HP. From there I don't know what your needs or wants are. The next logical step is the heads and use a quality shop like Nallen or Headquarters. From that point it's all about money and bragging rights. My advice? One step at a time.

why do you say a 44 is a waist? ?

I'm gonna defer to Stevo or Crim. One of them is bound to post on this. Just be patient.

Ok lets start small. The bread and butter conversion is a simple bore and pistons. That will net a full 50% boost in HP. From there I don't know what your needs or wants are. The next logical step is the heads and use a quality shop like Nallen or Headquarters. From that point it's all about money and bragging rights. My advice? One step at a time.well let me ask you this. what does the nallin 1250 kit give in h/p. what turned me on about simons was the claim of 85-90 h/p reliable for every day.all i want is to spank the b/t whith my sporty,and them say damn!!

I'm gonna defer to Stevo or Crim. One of them is bound to post on this. Just be patient.ok.no prob.

well let me ask you this. what does the nallin 1250 kit give in h/p. what turned me on about simons was the claim of 85-90 h/p reliable for every day.all i want is to spank the b/t whith my sporty,and them say damn!!
The CV carb is more than capable of handling this kind of
upgrade. The CV carb is the most under rated carb out there,
and it is right under your nose. :shhhh
To many people want to spend big money on bigger carbs
not knowing the CV is plenty capable of handling a upgrade
up to and over 85-90 HP. :yikes

you'll be stompin' the BTs with the std conversion.

The CV carb is more than capable of handling this kind of
upgrade. The CV carb is the most under rated carb out there,
and it is right under your nose. :shhhh
To many people want to spend big money on bigger carbs
not knowing the CV is plenty capable of handling a upgrade
up to and over 85-90 HP. :yikesthats cool.you guys just saved me about 400 bucks. so that 2900 just went down to 2500.i was just reading more about the nallin 1250.they say even with se "e" cams that the fact valves and rods are more than enough. from i gathered from them is that, i should have to woory about the valve train unless i'm porting the heads and am planning to make 100- 107 h/p.wich i'm not. i think 85 is plenty,but 100 is better.lol. no i'm only looking for no more than 90 and no less than 75-80.is it poss to install the 1250 kit as a true bolt in,or should i have someone doit?

why do you say a 44 is a waist? and do you think i'll get a good kick out of just doing cams and the conv w/o doing the push rods,valves,and then using nallin conv kit.is the kit they have really all you need as shown in the pics they have?I'm definately not an expert on this... I seem to remember a post on the old forum where George Crim said that you need major intake work to get to the point where the 44mm carbs will begin to buy you anything and even then they won't buy you much expecially for a street bike. I think that's what he said, I may have some of the details wrong but the one thing I'm sure about was that he was strongly encouraging people to stick with the CV carb.

Gary

I'm definately not an expert on this... I seem to remember a post on the old forum where George Crim said that you need major intake work to get to the point where the 44mm carbs will begin to buy you anything and even then they won't buy you much expecially for a street bike. I think that's what he said, I may have some of the details wrong but the one thing I'm sure about was that he was strongly encouraging people to stick with the CV carb.

Garythanks for your input gary.i'll be keeping the cv

A factory cv is capable of 100hp if tuned properly. Plus it's smaller size will keep velocity higher than a 44mm will.

Turbota, no price war. I'm keeping my cams in case I want to send them to zippers for Red Shifts. I was just making a joke about the miles. I have 375 on mine.

Get the 1200 kit with just a 1200 intake valve and a good valve job and you'll smoke BT's all day. If you get bored with it a set of cams is easy to add later.

A factory cv is capable of 100hp if tuned properly. Plus it's smaller size will keep velocity higher than a 44mm will.

Turbota, no price war. I'm keeping my cams in case I want to send them to zippers for Red Shifts. I was just making a joke about the miles. I have 375 on mine.

Get the 1200 kit with just a 1200 intake valve and a good valve job and you'll smoke BT's all day. If you get bored with it a set of cams is easy to add later.ok.here's a stupid question. where can i find a 1200 intake and for how much?thanks.

harleymanjay04

I talked to Justin today at Nallin's about doing my '03, 883 Conversion...
1250 kit with Pistons, rings, etc... $1338.40
1200 XB heads New Complete... $688.24
551 Cams... $324.95 you can get these cheaper buying from Surdyke or Chicago H-D!!!
H-D SE Ignition Also from Surdyke or Chicago H-D!!!

This set-up tuned properly should give you 80-85HP
Pistons in this set-up allows you to upgrade Heads to Stage II or III without changing Piston!!!!! :clap :clap :clap

:D

thanks tx. thats sound good enough for me. the heads will come down the road,after i justify the conv to wife. still workin on that approach.

i just want to say that all of you guys have been a great help.i appreciate all of you listening to my stupid ?'s. and giving me good addvice. my buddy has a superglide stand.i'm not telling him what i'm doin until we are riding one day and we go at it. it will be nice to see him wipe his glasses off for a change.lol.oh i hope to be doing this with my tax return.mid feb to end of march.i'll be doing my taxes the week i get them from work. you can all tell i don't have to pay in this year huh.for once... :clap

harleymanjay04

The Only Stupid Questions are the Ones NOT Asked!!!!! :yikes

:D

Here is my two cents. Buy a manual first. Then get cylinders bored for about $100. Add pistons and gasket kit for $300(10.5 to 1 wiseco). Send heads out and get them worked. Buy those cams for $90. Install all the parts and go have some fun. You will have enough to get you in trouble. That should net your expected horsepower and save you a bunch of money. You will also learn a lot about your bike. Get a knowledgeable person to assist you.

I got a quote for mine the other day, for changing cylinders and pistons , no head work. $800.00

harleymanjay04

The Only Stupid Questions are the Ones NOT Asked!!!!! :yikes

:D

That's what we're here for and that's why this forum is successful and lissen to rottenralph as concerns getting a manual. Get familiar with it before you need to. ;)

If you have the intake valve changed, and just a standard valve job on the 883 heads, can you still use the dished top pistons?

Yes,you can. The 1200 intake is larger than the 883 intake valve. The seat will need to be bored to match the valve, that is why you should get a good valve job at the same time. Leave in the 883 exhaust valve for better low end torque.

My .02 save the cam money use your stock cams now. Spend the money on head work, it will get you moor HP for the$$ than cams. Just let whoever does your heads know what cams you have now and let them tell you what cams will work when you have the money to add cams, If you even want to after the conversion. Call HQ and Nallin talk to them. I'll bet ya HQ can do heads, Just like brand new when ya get em back, bore and hone to match your jugs & flat top pistons, rings and gaskets for under $1400. $50 for a manual and your off and runnin