In this thread (http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=144940#post144940) I asked about torque wrenches and based on the responses, it got me thinking.

Currently my tools are mostly Craftsman with a small amount of Snap-On, Kobalt, and Taiwan Trash ;)

With wrenching on the Speeder, I'll need some more tools and I'd like to purchase the best quality tools so that I won't have to repurchase stuff in the future. I also hate when tools break on me.

So what do you have in your toolbox? What are the best brand of tools and/or what is the best bang for your buck?

I really like Snap-On, but I can't afford them and for me (non professional wrencher) Craftsman works well...reasonable quality and if it breaks then I can bring it back for another one...not the best but one of the best bangs for the buck in my opinion...if I made a living at it then I couldn't handle the Craftsman stuff though

I have always had CRAFTSMAN tools at home. Never had any complaints with them. When I was a mechanic I used a lot of SnapOn and Mac tools. They are nice as well, but IMO for my occational usage around the house and in the garage, not worth the extra money. If I was using them in a business, SnapOn and Mac would be a nice investment.

Ya - I have to go with Craftsman. They are affordable for those of us that are not profession wrenchs. I also have a selection of cheap stuff in my collection as well, but its usually stuff that I was given as gifts from mom, aunts, uncles etc.. Dad never gave me anything despite the fact that was a master mechanic and machinist.

I'm not sure I notice a difference in the quality of MOST tools, except some specific ones...

Electrical tools- Klein
Ratchets- Haven't thrown a Craftsman out the window since I can remember...

The only bad tools, really, are cheap tools...but for most purposes (ie: not professional) I can't say that it matters to me too much...

I mainly use Craftsman tools but they dont make some of the specialty tools I need on certain occasions so then I go with SK Snap On or Lysle tools
For Precision measuring tools and the like its Starret all the way
I dont buy junk

I'm not sure I notice a difference in the quality of MOST tools, except some specific ones... The only bad tools, really, are cheap tools...but for most purposes (ie: not professional) I can't say that it matters to me too much...
Agree. Craftsman rank high in my opinion for hand tools and I have (too) many (by my wife's accouting!).

If you want input on power tools, then I think it becomes a tougher and broader discussion.

Craftsman is the best bang for the buck for home use. However, I have noticed the quality of customer service going downhill quite a bit at Sears, I think it started ever since they merged with Kmart

I mainly use Craftsman tools but they dont make some of the specialty tools I need on certain occasions so then I go with SK Snap On or Lysle tools
For Precision measuring tools and the like its Starret all the way
I dont buy junk

Most of my stuff is Crafstamn and its good for what it is.

One thing I don't like about Craftsman is that they aren't giving you new tools anymore when you return a defective/broken tool. For example, I had a broken 1/2" ratchet and turned it in to my local Sears. They gave me a factory remanfactured unit that looked like hell. Sure it worked, but it wasn't new and it was quite obvious. That really changed my opinion of Craftsman.

Also, I've never heard of Lysle or Starnet tools. I'll have to google 'em up.

Mostly Craftsman here because they seem to have been the most available over the years to non-mechanic types. I do however have a few of Snap-On's and S&K's stuff hand tools mainly. I like Ingersol Rand Air Tools - Tough STUFF!!!

I like Ingersol Rand Air Tools - Tough STUFF!!!

ALL my air tools are Ingersoll Rand....I LOVE good air tools...couldn't live without'em....

You forgot Cornwell (http://www.cornwelltools.com/history.html) in the poll. My mechanic friend told me they are right up there in quality so I know they are a well established brand.

If money were no object I'd own exclusively snap-on. I've got mostly craftsman with the exception of my air tools and some impact sockets which I bought from harbor freight.

Today there are a lot of really fine tool brands to choose from, this hasn.t always been the rule. Most major brands will last a home mechanic a life time. Having said that, if you using your tools everyday, all day, for years on end, the field narrows. Its not that they all won't do the job, most will. There is a feel to high quality tools that is difficult to describe. There is also fit and finish, resistance to slipping, breaking or the chrome peeling. I spent 43 years of my life, so far, turning wrenches in a environmentally [yes I use spell check] unfriendly area, salt water. When your paycheck is partially dependent on how well your tools perform, Snap-on and Mac are the tops. They ARE much more expensive but Besides the quality, they come to your place of business, replace broken or worn tools without a hassle and have speciality tools that no one else does. Part of the extra cost is probably a priced in replacement fee, because they know when I buy a tool it WILL be used hard. It also might surprise some to know that Stanley owns several other brands, including Mac and Snap-on produces Kolbalt for Lowes. I Have quite a few of the original tools I started with when I was 14 and changing oil and sweeping floors.

Snap-On and Craftsman,

I even have a set of HD wrenches made by Craftsman for the 100th
it was in the bargin bin.....

Xena, I much prefer your new Nanner, lost sleep with the last one. :D

I'm going to throw in a little praise for the Stanley hand tools. Although they are relatively inexpensive and can be had at Walmart, they are very good quality. Only thing that sucks is they only carry a limited warranty. I've got a mix of Craftsman, Snap-on, and Stanley in my tool boxes and have yet to have a failure with a Stanley wrench, socket, or ratchet. On the other hand, I have snapped several Craftsman and Snap-on sockets. Also, the flat style Craftsman ratchets suck donkey balls. Steer clear of those.

Also, the flat style Craftsman ratchets suck donkey balls. Steer clear of those.


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Thanks for making me spray pepsi out my nose!!!


I strongly agree with you though. Last year I bought a Craftsman 250 piece mechanic set on sale that came with those ratchets and I find them harder to hold onto than the round style.
Luckily I have some of the round ones that I bought years ago and those are the ones i use regularly.

If you are getting ready to buy a first set of tools, this set is one of the best deals on the market. There are a few extra things (like torqx) but it's a great starter set for the money.

Craftsman 263 set (http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00933263000&subcat=Mechanics+Tool+Sets)

Also go to garasge & yard sales.... I bought a box full of old rusted tools for $10 and it was filled with all kinds of craftsman tools. I took the box to Sears and they exchanged every one. I ended up with almost 2 extra sets and came to over $700 as individual tool prices. :banarock

I also have to vote for Craftsman.
I do however buy and use the cheap stuff too.
My favorite place to buy tools is harborfreifgt.com
I bought a bench grinder, a lathe, an air compressor and air tools, and a compound miter saw.
All are still working...

I own mostly Craftsman tools in my box. But I have had good luck with the Kobalt brand from Lowe's lately. Customer service at the local Sears has gone to S :censor t lately.

MC

Isn't Sears merging with some large discount chain store, K-Mart I think it was?

My husband mostly buys craftman tools now. He spent a lot of money on his snap-on and mac tools to have lost them or have someone steal them. He uses Craftsman because he can buy twice as much and still exchange it if it breaks. And if someone steals a socket, it won't cost $75 to replace it.
He'll still get snap-on if he needs a certain tool that is hard to find.

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Thanks for making me spray pepsi out my nose!!!



That must have been a sight... LOL... :roflblack

Get the best you can afford.

The problem I see with Mac or Strap-On is that if you break a tool you need, you have to wait for them to come around again, and are pissy about replacing.

Then again, if I break a Craftsman, the nearest store that would have it is an hour away and there's usually no questions asked (unless you get the manager or someone that knows something).

Slip & Kill used to be found in some auto parts store and is great quality. My dad doesn't carry them anymore, but does have Blackhawk, not as good, but still better than Craftsman.

I work on aircraft and the only thing I can tell is SNAP-ON. No more stripped screw no more too thick socket so they don't fit... I just buy myself a little toolkit for my bike and cost me about 300$ just snbap-on and if you count what you cansave on hardware whith those tool it worth it

Electrical tools- Klein

Definitely +1 on the Kleins. Otherwise, I have a mix of Snap-On, Mac, SK, Kraeuter, Craftsman, Penncraft(original Husky, but made for J.C. Penney, back in the day), New Britain, OTC, etc. I have found the quality of the 'offshore' tools steadily improving. For critical missions, no. For general use, I have no problem with them and will purchase them on a limited basis(case in point...the 1 3/8 socket for the fork cap. Less than five bucks at Auto Zone. Big bucks elsewhere(not to mention, normally a 3/4 inch drive).
While I like some of the more "professional" tools, I have had more unexpected failures with Snap-On than some 'lesser' brands. Great tools, though...and they sure are 'purdy'. Replacement with Snap-On was usually a PITA...accompanied by a lot of 'attitude'. Craftsman was no problem. Talk about a class act...my 35 year old Penncraft ratchet finally gave up the ghost...and Penney's hadn't carried tools in several decades. What did they do? They walked me through the mall and bought me a new Craftsman ratchet!


Kim

I work on aircraft and the only thing I can tell is SNAP-ON. No more stripped screw no more too thick socket so they don't fit... I just buy myself a little toolkit for my bike and cost me about 300$ just snbap-on and if you count what you cansave on hardware whith those tool it worth it
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I've been using Snap-On since I was fixing lawnmowers. We used to have our own tools at work but they made us take them home and supplied us with el-cheapos. I miss my Snap-Ons. Best I've ever used. Now I have several thousand dollars worth of tools in my shed. :frownone I've also used Matco, they're high up there too.

I use Craftsmen and have some Cornwell Tools!!!

Never have had a problem with Craftsmen!!! :D :D

Most of tool purchased over 35 years have been Craftsmen. But have a variety of others: Proto, S-K, Snap-On, Kobalt. Good high quality tools will last forever. I stay away from any of the china or twain tools.

I used to dred when I worked for the firetruck company wiring firetrucks when the Snap on or Mac guy came around. I knew my paycheck was going to quickly disappear. I have mostly Craftsman stuff though. Some of my favorite reading material is the Craftsman tool catalog next to the throne. Anyway I have a few harbor freight power tools that were dirt cheap and still work. They get the job done and if they break its not a disappointment. Plus the store is 15min from where I live.

I have mostly Craftsman too along with some Snap-On and other stuff. Easy to come by not bad quality.

Being a mechanic myself I use snap-on.

I have mostly Craftsman too along with some Snap-On and other stuff. Easy to come by not bad quality.


Same here. Usually what ends up in my toolbox in an amalgam of different brands I've collected over the years. Lots of Craftsman mixed with some Proto, Williams, Snap On, Rigid et al.

I've allways bought Sidchrome myself (they are an Australian division of Stanley),though if money were no object a set of Caterpillar tools would take a lot of beating.

I use mostly craftsman cause they are close by. but I am thinking about a set from lowe's they look sweet and the ratchets look and feel better than the rough unfinished ones from sears. the only snap on stuff i have is the calender from my dad's mechanic buddies.
love almost nude women holding large phallic tools. :banana

love almost nude women holding large phallic tools. :banana

You don't think that marketing strategy is accidental, do you? ;):D:D:D

i use Mastercraft, Canadian Tire brand, Price is decent and no hassle replacement, no questions..., My Dad had alot of trouble replacing broken Snap Ons..

For those working at home, on there own stuff, Craftsman are ok, But I make a Living with my tools, that is why I use Snap-on.

If you use them everyday, you would know the difference.

I use SID CHROME.

Grayfeather.

95% or my tools are Craftsman. I have never had a problem with a single tool from them. I have bought a few 'twain tools before when I was in a bind and no sears store nearby, but they soon fail and are replaces with the real deal from Sears. I'd rather pay a little more, buy it once and not have to worry about it, than have to replace tools down the road. Some of them are 15 years old, some are brand new, can't tell a difference, they all work great.

The best quality tool Snap-on. Best bang for the buck Craftsman. There is a difference and I wrench for a living. The tools I use the most are Snap-on. The tools I use the least are craftsman.

Craftsman...90% of what I've got in the tool box are Craftsman, and about 1/2 of those started with my Great Gramps and they're still going strong. Q U A L I T Y !

95% or my tools are Craftsman. I have never had a problem with a single tool from them. I have bought a few 'twain tools before when I was in a bind and no sears store nearby, but they soon fail and are replaces with the real deal from Sears. I'd rather pay a little more, buy it once and not have to worry about it, than have to replace tools down the road. Some of them are 15 years old, some are brand new, can't tell a difference, they all work great.

I think this is exactly what I was thinking. I'd much rather pay just once for quality tools and build up a collection of very good as well as reliable tools. I would be interested in Snap-On tools but from the posts here, many of you have said they are quite a bit more expensive. Also, I have no idea where to find a snap-on dealer/truck.

I guess I'll stick to Craftsman.

I have all Craftsman in my toolbox in the garage.

In the toolkit on the bike I have a motley collection of no-name tools:
- Screwdriver w/blade, phillips, Torx, and hex bits
- Multi-tool w/adj wrench, screwdrivers, etc (eliminates ratchets)
- Wire ties
- Locktite
- Gerber multi-tool w/pliers, blades, etc
- Replacement consumables: Spark plug, bulbs, etc.

Craftsman all the way. I've still got a few wrenches from my wifes grandfather. Not only are they great tool, but when you have a problem its never a hassle to find a store to get it replaced.

I wasn't too sure so I asked my neighbor and he said "Your tools". Now I know he means it because sometimes I think he uses them more than I do. The nice part is he has a 92% return rate which is better than my Brother-in-law

for work i have snap on at home i have craftsman,husky,sk, it just easer at work because the snap on man comes every week and if it blows up he replaces

I like Craftsman cause Sears doesnt give you any flak when you take a broken ratchet in for replacement. Although they did wonder how I bent a 3/4 drive ratchet handle once. (about a 8 foot pipe on it)

I like Craftsman cause Sears doesnt give you any flak when you take a broken ratchet in for replacement. Although they did wonder how I bent a 3/4 drive ratchet handle once. (about a 8 foot pipe on it)

It kinda sounds like as of late, Sears may not be as accommodating with replacements (at least, according to some of the other posts on here). Personally (and don't laugh), I like Stanley tools. They are actually made better than you might think, and the price is fair.

I love my Kobalts I sold all my pos craftsman junk in my wifes last yard sale.I use to like craftsman but I went through so many rachets it isnt even funny along with sockets,I know most of my problem is my local sears but even the first time I took my rachet in to have it replaced they didnt want to replace it they wanted to give me a rebuild kit then I would have to buy the speciality tool to use to fix it I was like O hell no I want a new one now everytime I went in there after that it was like that and I got so tired of it but what broke the camels back was I needed an inch pounds tourque wrench I had to order it from them they didnt have it I finaly got it 3 weeks later I was so glad I got it I didnt open it till I got home to see that it was what looked to be a new tool except it had somebody elses name engraved on it I was livid I took it straight back not 2 hours after i picked it up and they refused to take it back cause It had somebodys name engraved on it They told me I had evidently switched them up for a buddy of mine so I will NEVER EVER own a pos craftsman waste of metal again.I will always love my kobalts tho I even torched one to make a wrench I needed for a race car then took it back to see if I could get another I told them what I did the guy laughed and said go get one off the shelf not only did he give me the new one he also took a pic of the old one then gave me the old one to so I wouldnt have to make another if I ever needed it.:banana

i work on cars for a living and 99% is snap-on. for home i have all craftsman but still use snap-on ratchets and whitte screwdrivers. sockets are pretty similar but the real difference to me is the ratchet.

S/K, Craftsman and a few Stanley products. For the wife's around the house tool box wal-mart she doesn't know the difference and it keeps her out of my tool box

I have my dad's tools from his day's as a diesel truck fleet mechanic. It is a giant war surplus collection of every brand of handtool used during WWII. No metrics in that bunch. All my metrics are Kmart and Craftsman.

The best is the small collection of Snap-on British Standard tools bought in the 60's to maintain some English diesels. They make working on my BSA a real pleasure.

My tools are a mixture, built up over the years. On the "high end" I have Craftsman and on the "low end" I have your typical AutoZone tools. I do have two good torque wrenches - don't want to skimp here. :frownthre

Since I don't wrench for a living, and the only m/c and car maintenance I do is very minor, expensive tools would be wasted on me. ;)

I'm a gas turbine mechanic, so at work I have to us Snap-on because of the material their wrenches and sockets are made of. But to tell you the truth, I don't particularly care for them. At home for the bike, car and other odds and ends I use Craftsman and S&K. I actually us different brands for different jobs. I like S&K ratchets the most, Snap-on screwdrivers, Craftsman wrenches Hell like I said, a mix.

My tools are a mixture, built up over the years. On the "high end" I have Craftsman and on the "low end" I have your typical AutoZone tools. I do have two good torque wrenches - don't want to skimp here. :frownthre

Since I don't wrench for a living, and the only m/c and car maintenance I do is very minor, expensive tools would be wasted on me. ;)

actually tim a good ratchet will save your knuckles and make wrenching a bit more enjoyable.

actually tim a good ratchet will save your knuckles and make wrenching a bit more enjoyable.

You're right. Most of my ratchets/socket sets are Craftsman.

I grew up with gear-heads and my father was a machinist so I've had a good mechanical upbringing - enough to do most preventive maintenance work - but I don't have the tools, time, know-how, or space to really tear into a motor. Maybe when I retire... :)

You're right. Most of my ratchets/socket sets are Craftsman.

I grew up with gear-heads and my father was a machinist so I've had a good mechanical upbringing - enough to do most preventive maintenance work - but I don't have the tools, time, know-how, or space to really tear into a motor. Maybe when I retire... :)


dont get me wrong, craftsman tools are great for the money. i still use them at home. if they get the job done, theyre great. thats what it really comes down to.

Speaking of tools, Craftsman tools in particular...

When I was a teenager a couple of us would go over to this big "bargain barn" store near Alton, Ill - they sold tools by the pound. There was a large bin in the middle of the aisle with all sorts of (mostly crap) tools, used, new, rusty. We would dig thru and find the Craftsman tools (usually found a couple), pay for them by the pound, then go to Sears and have them replaced with new ones - no questions asked back then. I took this old Craftsman adjustable wrench that was rusted solid and Sears gave me a new one. :D Don't know how Sears is today about returns like that..

Another buddy of mine broke a LARGE open-end Craftsman wrench by putting a large breaker-bar on it - Sears replaced that one too... :D

Like so many posts have mentioned, it seems the Craftsman line is right up there with most of the others. I've got two Sears stores within easy riding, so if I have something break (rare event), I can just go by and pick up a replacement.

I was shocked as hell that Craftsman made hatchets for camping. With cheap-o brands, I was usually buying a new one each season since the heads would loosen up. Then I saw one at Sears and the sales guy said they carry the same "free" replacement policy. I bought one five years ago and it hasn't failed yet.

Just think they've got a good thing going with that brand for all their tools.

J.W.

I kind a like rubber tools that way when I get mad and throw them nothing gets hurt or broken

I am partial to ATD Tools (but then again, I work for ATD Tools, so I have to be)
If I get fired or quit, Snap on or Craftsman would be my next choices.

Craftsman are my usual tool of choice, I do agree tho, their service absolutely stinks nowadays. I try to wait for the Craftsman Club specials, but the bozos behind the cash register are totally clueless about the specials.

OK, I'm not even gonna bother reading the rest of the thread cause the first page talked WAY too much about Craftsman.

I'm not going to argue that the average joe NEEDS Snap-On, or the Craftsman isn't sufficient most of the time.

But anyone who thinks that Craftsman is anywhere NEAR the quality of snap-on has a serious case of rectal-cranial inversion.

Someone mentioned ratchets, there is NO COMPARISON between a fine-toothed Snap-On and those clunky craftsman.

Sockets? You're MUCH more likely to round off a bolt head with a Craftsman as a good snug-fitting 6-point Snap-On!

Allen heads and Torx Keys, again, Snap-On fits better EVERYTIME.

Wrenches? Same deal.

Now Craftsman has come a long way with feel of the tool since they came out with the "fully polished" pro series bla bla bla stuff a decade or so ago. Before that, spend an entire day turning wrenches and literally your hands were twice as cut-up with the rough edged Craftsman stuff.

And sure, if you break a socket or whatever you just have to go to the local Sears. Well, frankly, I've only broken one Snap-On extension in my LIFE and never a socket.

No, there is no question what is the best.

The question is whether or not you NEED the best, or whether or not you can afford or whether or not you can just plain justify owning the best.

For me, I've got plenty of Mac, Matco, Craftsman and Kobalt (the later used to be made by Snap-On and it showed, not sure if they still are) in my cabinets, BUT I've got a drawer or two devoted specifically to Snap-ON - 6-point standards and metrics, a bunch of ratchets, drivers, extensions, specialty sockets, torque wrench etc. And that's the stuff I reach for FIRST!

Kev

I would be interested in Snap-On tools but from the posts here, many of you have said they are quite a bit more expensive. Also, I have no idea where to find a snap-on dealer/truck.

I guess I'll stick to Craftsman.

I think I paid something like $200 for a single strip of Snap-On 6-point standard sockets (back in the 80s when I started buying my first tools).

The price difference is absolutely astronomical.

I don't even have a current snap-on catalog and price sheet handy anymore, but you can see most of it (and I believe buy online) at

http://www.snapon.com/

If you're honestly interested, you could buy a ratchet (the black anodized stuff tends to be a good bit cheaper than the chrome) and a single strip of sockets at one time, then build your set slowly.

Until then, spend that $200 on a set of craftman, that you replace/supplement with Snap-on (or Mac or Matco) over time.

Kev

The best tools I think are Snap on, MAC, Husky, and Craftsman. I believe all of them are made by the same company. However I am not for certain about MAC, the other three are for sure. I also like the fact that they all have a lifetime warranty. Husky tools can be picked up at Home Depot. I have quite a bit of tools made by Husky that I got when I worked there and have not had any problems with any of them yet. Have had them for around 4-5years on some of them.

I have to agree with Kev M on this one. First off, you asked 2 very different questions - what's the best tool, and whoch has the best bang for the buck.

Craftsman probably has the best bang for the buck for the average do it yourselfer in his home garage. Craftsman is NOT and NEVER WILL BE the best tool out there.

The best bang for the buck for a professional mechanic is Snap-On, followed closely by Mac and MATCO, and even S&K sockets are widely used. Craftsman will not cut it in this enironment. Guys wouldn't spen as much as they do on expensive top of the line tools if the didn't need them. Our head tech just had his tools appraised - over $220,000 worth of tools, and most is snap-on or Mac. In this case, they are the best bang for the buck.

It all depends on what you need to do with them.

The best tools I think are Snap on, MAC, Husky, and Craftsman. I believe all of them are made by the same company. However I am not for certain about MAC, the other three are for sure.


That SURE wasn't true a couple of years ago. Can you substantiate that?

and even IF true, it seems pretty obvious that they're not all made of the same materials. At least obvious if you use em.

Kev

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snapon mac sk....craftsman and husky are ok to

Snap-On is the best! End of story. Lots of people here say Craftsman tools will work for the at home do it yourselfer. They will, just not as good.

I used to be a mechanic for a living and accumilated a nice set of Snap-On, Mac, ect. Tools. I like Snap-On the best. If you can afford it the torx and allen sockets are a must have for your Harley. Otherwise be prudent when buying tools, and remember that all tools break so make sure you can get them warenteed. A good warantee is not worth shit if you can't find the tool guy to have him replace them.

Wow!! There are some who are fairly passionate about tools! And that is good! I used to be a tool junkie when I was a pro auto mechanic. Snap-on, MAC, and Matco. Did have some Craftsman stuff as there was a Sears next to the dealership. There is a difference between Sears brand and Craftsman. I would say that 90% of home mechanics will get along fine with Craftsman or those from Home Depot.
For those who want the best, look in the yellow pages or stop by any auto or bike dealership and ask a mechanic who the local SO or MAC or Matco rep is. Then start the long and slow process of building up your tools. Sure it's expensive, but if you do a little at a time, it will ease the burden. Also, sit back and think long and hard about what you really need. Then start from there. I would not buy any "special" tools until you really need them. Those tend to be expensive. It may take some time...perhaps a year or two, but just think how envious your buddy's will be when they check your tool box.
and don't loan your tools out unless they stay within sight of the tool box!!!

I did the pro thing for many many years. I had all the big name tools. The fact is that they are all good. I guess it just boils down to personall preference. The biggest thing that helped me was apayment plan on the tool trucks. You can get sucked in really fast doing that though so you have to be really careful.

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Greasemonkey
I will 2nd what you said snap on is the best to my knowlage I just started a job with fastenal the have several good tools in there as well

ride tools off in taxs if your turn them every day

I have mostly Husky tools.... my fall back is my home depot credit card when I am broke and that's what they sell there.

Before I became an elementary school teacher, I was an A&P (airframe and powerplant) [aircraft] mechanic. I was a professional wrencher, albeit on airplanes, for a number of years. Nothing even comes close to Snap-on. They're far and away the finest hand tool that can be had. Unfortunately, they're also really expensive. I like Craftsman, they're fine in most respects. But if you use tools eight hours a day (plus overtime), you really come to appreciate the high quality of Snap-On.

Snap-on....here in the UK anyway. We do not have the choice of other qaulity makes that you have....ie Craftsman.

And we pay nearly double what you pay for Snap-on here.....:censor
But thats what you gotta go for here for quality. especially if you use them a lot...which I do...the rest here are just made of cream cheese.....

Craftsman works fine for me an occasional wrencher... Steady every day use would go with snap on or mac...

Mostly Craftsman, I do have some Stanley and Kobalt, Yes the Customer Service as SEARS has gone down hill lately. Just think of the poor saps that buy Harbor Freight Tools

the rest here are just made of cream cheese.....

Why does that make me laugh? lol

I have been turning wrenches for a living for a long tiime. While no one can disagree about Snap-On tools being of first class quality, I personally wont spend the dollars that the overpriced Snap-On tools retail for. Especially when I can buy other brands that are as good quality and feel for 1/5th of the price. I stay away from the el-cheapo stuff though.
I am not fond of the basic Craftsman wrenches and ratchets, but at least they do offer a higher line of "professional" tools (at a higher cost) that offer a better feel and finish. I am impressed with quality of the new Stanley line of tools, but as I understand it, you have to send broken tools in to get them replaced, that kinda sucks if you ask me.
S-K are good tools, but overpriced. IMO
Kobalt tools seem to be priced decent and appear to be very good quality, as are Husky. And you can get them replaced where you bought them, same as Craftsman.
Bottom line is, as far as hand tools go, I can make a living with lesser expensive, quality tools without putting a 2nd and 3rd mortgage on my house to do it. I can find lots of other places to spend the rest of the money, like scooter stuff.

Snap-On makes the best metric adjustable wrenches, metric hammers, metric pliers, and metric vice-grips. :D

Just thought I would chime in. I use my tools every day and the bulk are craftsman, those work fine for most of my work. They are also EASY to replace when I bonehead out. I like the polished sets, not the originals. BUT.... For specialty tools, and the ones that you use a lot.. I go snap-on. I like them much better for the most part, its just a pain to track down the snap-on man... Sears is so much easier because its like 2 minits away.

I use Husky tools for my personal use. Seems to be decent quality. Over to my fathers garage we have a lot of craftsmen with some snap on and mac. These are mostly used for our mud trucks. Most specialty tools are of the higher quality(snap on). My brother turns wrenches for a living so he brings his old snap on stuff to the garage when he buys new. We have some of the newer stanley wrenches and they seem decent. You can never have to many wrenches and dont always need top quality.

Rebil

Most of my stuff is Crafstamn and its good for what it is.

One thing I don't like about Craftsman is that they aren't giving you new tools anymore when you return a defective/broken tool. For example, I had a broken 1/2" ratchet and turned it in to my local Sears. They gave me a factory remanfactured unit that looked like hell. Sure it worked, but it wasn't new and it was quite obvious. That really changed my opinion of Craftsman.

Also, I've never heard of Lysle or Starnet tools. I'll have to google 'em up.
you can refuse the reman...........i worked at sears as a wrench for a while.....they tell the salesmen to give the reman but if you refuse they gotta give ya the new.......ask to see the next in charge next time......

While earning a living as a Union Carpenter (thru 4 year apprenticeship) I used only Craftsman and Stanley. Craftsman had the warranty and Stanley made the tools I used for Doors and Hardware. And on big jobs, all tools grow legs. ....Before becoming a Carpenter I was schooled in Auto mechanics...Only kind of automotive or bike tools I use are S & K.....for years and years.

you can refuse the reman...........i worked at sears as a wrench for a while.....they tell the salesmen to give the reman but if you refuse they gotta give ya the new.......ask to see the next in charge next time......
The only time I tried to take something back to Craftsman... Its was a rachet. She reach under the counter and handed me a bag of parts.
I said *whats that for ?*
She said *its the repair kit for the rachet*,
I said *what the hell am I suppose to do with that?* Wheres my replacement?*
She said *We dont replace them anymore, You have to repair them your self.*
I said *well, nobody said nothing about that when I bought it*
She said *well Im sorry but thats the policy*
I said *Well... !!!!!! you very much, good bye*
...... Sometimes the inner voices override the outside ones.:shhhh

Well thats hard to say I use mulitple tools and most people don't know is Snap On, Crafsman, Husky and maybe Mac Tools but not sure are all made by the same company. Those are all the main brands I like to use because of the lifetime warranty.

most people don't know is Snap On, Crafsman, Husky and maybe Mac Tools but not sure are all made by the same company.

I know that some companies produce tools for others.

Kobalt used to be made BY Snap-On for Lowes.

But I don't know about Husky and Craftsman, definitely not by Snap-On or vice-versa. Though I'm sure there have been individual tools in those lines possibly sourced from the same 3rd party at one time or another.

I should ask my buddy the Matco guy (former Mac guy too) what he knows about this.

mac and matco used to be the same company about 20 years ago...except for a few specialty tools and tool boxes. then they split. you can see similarities in thier tool design.
snap on is by themselves, but when someone makes something better they just buy the company rather than pay to use a design. remember Sun diagnostic tools? snapon bought company to have the best diagnostic equipment.
now i think stanley tools owns mac tools who makes craftsman tools. got it?
its like an episode of the tv show Soap.

The best brand of tools? Snap-on,withut a doubt. BUT, most people that have only Snap-on tools are paying the Snap-on guy a monthly payment that is higher than a new Sporty payment would be. Craftsman tools are good enough for anything I ever do..A $35 Snapon wrench=a $15 Craftsman wrench

i have alot of craftsmen but my neighbor (where my bike is stored and where i work on it) is a machanic so i get to use his snap-on tools. what a great guy. so i voted for snap-on for that reason. and if i could afford it i would get snap-on. just my 2cents.

[QUOTE=cantolina]I'm not sure I notice a difference in the quality of MOST tools, except some specific ones...

Electrical tools- Klein
Ratchets- Haven't thrown a Craftsman out the window since I can remember...

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Just for the record, I'm a pure craftsman man...
NOW a point of information. Before my present career I grew up in the scrap metal industry. I mention this because one of our company's pick-ups was Stanley-Proto industries. While we had this contract our people filled their tool boxes with inperfect reject tools... The point here, these tools were Stanley, Proto, Craftsman, Snap-on and a few others!!! ALL coming straight out of the same factory!!

Granted there are quality differences in the trade lines but they are ALL produced at the same plant....

I personally prefer Craftsman because I always know where that Sears store is going to be. No chasing down a Snap-On truck and putting up with the arrogant attitude that goes with it....

JUST my opinion mixed with a little junk yard fact.

Most of my tools are craftsmen, a lot of them handed down from my dad, very good quality and IMO best bang for your buck, but I think snap-on is the best, but also more expensive....just my 2 cents

I have Snap-On, Craftsman, and Stanley, but my favorite is a S-K Wayne socket set I've had for more than 40 years. Had the ratchet assembly replaced once (at no charge).

Brand "NEW" is my favorite...

and for quality and workmanship and GUARANTEE....SNAP ON surpasses them all....I have around 22K worth of MATCO tools Somewhere near that in SNAp on....Craftsman End Wrenches and standard sockets I've had for 25 years...Matco Tool boxes as well as a couple of snap on units....Craftsman boxes cant handle the strain of daily use IMO...Unless ya get into the Pro Series...They are somewhat better...Snap On builds the best boxes Period....
Mac,Stanley,Husky, and some of the others just can't handle it....SK tools used to be really good..kinda slipping a bit...Even thouogh I do make a weekly payment on a tool truck..its for the service and convenience of knowing my tools will be replaced or repaired in a timely fashion....Plus its nice to see MADE IN USA on the tools...I will only buy SNap On Now...But don't buy as much as I used to ...average around 12-1600 a year for tools...Hopefully this year I'll be able to cut that in half or better....However SNAP ON has this new box out that has solid chrome fronts on it...9K just for the roller and they arent even offering a top box fo it yet...damn..:smoke :doh

Have been using s-k wayne ratchets sockets for better than 25yrs. great tools.

you can refuse the reman...........i worked at sears as a wrench for a while.....they tell the salesmen to give the reman but if you refuse they gotta give ya the new.......ask to see the next in charge next time......

I actually complained when the salesman tried to give me a remanufactured ratchet and he sorta shruged his shoulders and said that's the new policy. Apparently I should have asked to talk to a manager!

I went out and bought all new Kobalts, I retired my old CRAFTSMENS away.
Kobalt has nice feel in my hand also ratchet handals have a better grip, and they shine up cool to

My personal torque wrenches are Snap-on but most hand tools are Craftsman or Stanley. Good availability, warranty and decent price. For torque wrenches I own Snap-on, but have had excellent luck with cheaper tool company click type brands. I want repeatability with my torque wrenches. Some are all over the place. Nice to have something decent and accurate to check the cheap stuff with. If it's off carry it right on back where it came from. Don't forget dial em back to zero when you're done!
Dave
Ride to Live!

Mostley Craftsman with a mixture of other stuff included.

It was the horror stories about Sears' recent customer service experiences that drove me to Home Dipshit to try out Husky tools.


So far, I'm happy with them, but I haven't done any major work with them yet. They're a huge step up from my cheapie tool set I was using prior.

I don't do enough mechanical work to justify Snap-On, but all the mechanic types I know swear by them.

I own Mostly Craftsman. I woulod say the only reason I own them is becasue of being able to replace broken tols at sears. Im not a professional wrencher so I dont have the availability to snap-on and the others. Ive broken a few sockets and one 3/8 ratchet (with a 6' breaker bar on it). If it is a limited used tool i will sometimes go with a cheaper brand if it will do the job.

...and I have alot of S-K stuff. For the wrenching I do they suit me fine.

Also my in-laws bought me a ChannelLock brand multi tool kit in a plastic case and I have been using it for most of my bike wrenching. It is real convient to have everything right there.

Scott

I'll use just about anything at home. At work I only use Snap-On. I work with corrosive chemicals and Snap-On is the only one I've found that holds up. The plating on their wrenches is excellent.

This kind of takes me back. My very first set of tools, which I purchased over 40 years ago (I was about 13 or 14 and already a serious gearhead) I believe were S&K, purchased from the local hardware store in the small town where I grew up. There wasn't much choice there. Most of those got mixed up with my Dad's in my later teen years when I worked at his garage. I'm sure there were some of those tools that he still had when we went through his stuff after he passed three years ago.

Subsequent to that I had had mostly Craftsman tools until my entire set was stolen from my racecar trailer one night a few years ago.

Since then I have an eclectic mix of cheapo delux and others but have favored Mastercraft (Canadian tire, not necessarily the best but guaranteed for life) and Husky, which I really like. Both of these mainly cause the Canadian Tire store and Home Depot are close to my house when I need something. Most of my air tools are Cambell Housfield.

My .02

Rickrider

As an auto tech for 30 years I've found that snap on really is the best for sockets, wrenches, ratchets etc. and for odd-ball configurations fabulous-but at a premium plus price. Craftsman gives you 90% of the tool at 50% of the price. The Snap-On truck comes to you every week and so far even old split 12 point sockets are swapped out for new. The time lost going to Sears to get a rebuilt exchange tips the balance for me. Matt

Having said that my experience over the years with Snap-On screwdrivers has been sad, drill bits also. Live and learn. Matt

as a professional mechanic (L1 master tech) my tool chests are full of Snap-on, Mac, and Matco.....I do have some Craftsman tools but those are the ones I heat and bend, grind and weld to make a specialty tool to get a job done.....

Ww

...I do have some Craftsman tools but those are the ones I heat and bend, grind and weld to make a specialty tool to get a job done.....

Ww
Ditto that.

--Chris

At home: Almost exclusively Craftsman.

At work: MAC, Matco, Snap-On, Craftsman, and some specialty tools from other makers (RayTek, Fluke, ect.). All kept in a MAC toolbox.


In the immortal words of Paris Hilton: "Wanna see my b__?"

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Craftsmen, Kobalt, Stanley... 98%, whoever has what I need WHEN I need it. Harbor Frieght or equivalent (we have a local store) for my *home brewed* stuff.
Snap-on, Mac, Matco for the high end or specialty when quality really matters.
..........so I guess.... my answer is ALL of the above.

Barging back in, I really don't get spending 5 to 7 large on a tool box. Mine are in modest boxes and always will be. Matt (lapsed L-1)

I have a lot of mixed junk in my toolbox, more craftsman than anything else, though.

at work it's snap on or matco, because better tools help make you more money. at the house, craftsman are more than adequate.

'Best brand' of tools I would guess are the name brands that you would expect a garage mechanic to have to make their living with ie: Snap-On, Mac S-K... tools of this quality. As for myself, I am not a wrench by any means. I can do the basic stuff and use the brands of tools that are reasonably priced and of good quality such as Mastercraft Maximum (Cdn. Tire), Craftsman (Sears) & Husky (Home Depot).

my personal experience:
best handtools-snap on
best service- mac
best toolboxes-matco

I kind of like the tools that MrJimi loans out.

I just recently bought a set of BAHCO tools. Quality is outstanding, cheaper than snapon and comes in great sets.

for professional use snap on home use craftsman

i like craftsman because they are down the street and if i break something they replace it for free !! i cant afford snap on !! granger has a good slection of toruqe wrenches !!

Craftsman has a line of high end wrenches that I haven't checked out but catalogue pics make them look like they rival Snap-On in terms of finish and box end thinness etc. Matt

This may have been asked already, but are snap on tools made in the USA? I know alot of craftsman is not anymore. I like me some american made tools :smoke

From here: http://www.snapon.com/faqs/answers.asp?question=23

All Snap-on® branded hand tools are made in the USA.
They are some good hand tools, generally.

--Chris

I just recently bought a set of BAHCO tools. Quality is outstanding, cheaper than snapon and comes in great sets.

perhaps, but their website leaves something to be desired.

i like craftsman because they are down the street and if i break something they replace it for free !! i cant afford snap on !!

That about sums it up. That lifetime guarentee is the BEST! They don't care WHAT you did to break it. They just hand you over a new one. I worked with or borrowed some of the "higher end" tools, snap-on and matco, but didn't really see that much of a difference except a HUGE one in price...

That about sums it up. That lifetime guarentee is the BEST! They don't care WHAT you did to break it. They just hand you over a new one. I worked with or borrowed some of the "higher end" tools, snap-on and matco, but didn't really see that much of a difference except a HUGE one in price...

I own Craftsman because I have to. We use nothing but Snap-On here at work and I think there is a big difference. The quality of machining and mechanics with Snap-On exceed Craftsman by far. Also, the variety of tools available is amazing.
The price sucks but for professional mechanics who depend on their tools to earn them a paycheck, the investment is worth it. For the home mechanic, Craftsman will get the job done.

Almost all of my tools are craftsmen, i have one 3/8" cheapo rachet with a round handle that is great with a cheater bar though. :D

If you are using the tools all day long, the ergonomics of the tools matters a lot. There IS a huge difference: ask any professional mechanic. That's why I have Snap On for the stuff I used all day long. For casual use, the ergonomics don't matter as much, but the quality still does. Cheap tools cost more in the long run due to damaged fasteners and damaged components.

--Chris

From here: http://www.snapon.com/faqs/answers.asp?question=23


They are some good hand tools, generally.

--Chris


I think it is their lower end stuff, like "Blue Point" branded stuff that is imported. But it is good to know that when it carries the Snap-On brand name, it's made here.

Ya know, from time-to-time on this website people justify spending $400+ in labor to "get it done right" by a shop, but I think some of the same people then scoff at spending the same amont for a strip or two of good sockets, a decent ratchet and a couple of extensions.

But it's the same principle, do it once, do it right.

I started buying Snap-On tools a little by little when I was in High School and it has been worth it ever since.

Kev

I earn my living with my tools and my brands of choice are Snap-On and Matco. If I were buying just for home use/hobby Craftsman would get the nod. Craftsman makes good stuff, service is sure spotty though.

How easy is it to replace a snap on tool that has broke? Like a ratchet for instance? Alot of times at sears they don't replace it with a new one. :smoke

Rachets have rebuild kits, but if it's broken and a rebuild won't fix it, they'll give you a new one. I don't have any broken tools that I couldn't get exchanged by Snap On.

--Chris

The thing is I take good care of my tools, I busted my ratchet went to sears and they replaced it with a used one. The thing was all scratched up and everything, mine looked brand new. Does snap on do the same thing? Or do they give you a new one when yours busts? :smoke

The thing is I take good care of my tools, I busted my ratchet went to sears and they replaced it with a used one. The thing was all scratched up and everything, mine looked brand new. Does snap on do the same thing? Or do they give you a new one when yours busts? :smoke
...Yea Sears has gotten bad about that. My buddy says he just hands his snap-on to the guy and gets swapped.

...Yea Sears has gotten bad about that. My buddy says he just hands his snap-on to the guy and gets swapped.

Now that's pretty good. As much as you pay for the snap on tools, I would expect nothing less :smoke

Now that's pretty good. As much as you pay for the snap on tools, I would expect nothing less :smoke
...yep... I think MAC and MATCO have the same policy too.

...yep... I think MAC and MATCO have the same policy too.


yes they do

I have had a couple of Snap-On ratchets rebuilt when they failed. Just took the ratchet to the dealer and he installed a rebuild kit, which is everything inside the head of the ratchet. As mine are over 30 years old and they show the signs of being used, I don't mind the rebuild. I know it will work as designed for a good long while.
As far as Sears replacing a ratched with a "used" one, is it really used or remanufactured? If it was remanufactured, other than appearance, it will be as good as new. I guess if you don't like the appearance of what you received versus what you turned in, complain to a manager to see if they will replace with a new one. I guess to me, I like the looks of a well used and well cared for tool. At least it lets me know it has done its job faithfully.

I kinda like harbor frieght, these tools have at least 10 day warranties. And if you are in the rust collecting business, you can't go wrong with these tools. Seems like they start rusting up immediately after you pay for them. I love rust :smoke

I kinda like harbor frieght, these tools have at least 10 day warranties. And if you are in the rust collecting business, you can't go wrong with these tools. Seems like they start rusting up immediately after you pay for them. I love rust :smoke
Just make sure ya take yer own measuring tool.... Ive bought wrenchs there that were 2 sizes off from what they were suppose to be.

I've found recently that there are some specific tools that can be had from only one jobber or another....

For example:

I can't get THIS from MAC

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/objects/51700/51698.JPG

And there's tools I can't get from snap-on that MAC has....

I have Mac, Snap-On and Craftsman. They are all very good tools. If you go with some of the cheaper brands the sockets and box end wrenches tend to get pretty thick. May not fit in tight places. They will also flex under pressure.
I have a set of combination reversable GearWrenchs and really like them.

Snap-On and Mac rebuild their ratchets too and have for years. Sometimes they do it on the truck while you wait other times they just exchange them. i think they were doing it before Craftsman.

Chuck, gotta have storks and angled storks, from Snap On, if you don't already. They are badass.

--Chris

Chuck, gotta have storks and angled storks, from Snap On, if you don't already. They are badass.

--Chris

Don't know about them....but now I'll research them...

BTW, has anyone else had a bad experience with Craftsman ratchet driver rebuilds???

My driver was a bit loose, so I had it rebuilt and now it slips sometimes! :(

Rebuilt Craftsman rachets suck. BTDT. Demand new from them, or get a Snap On or your favorite brand.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/OBJECTS/28100/28020.JPG
These are the standard 11" storks from Snap On, but they also have a 35 degree pair which is nice. Never needed much else in the way of long nose pliers.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools.asp?tool=all&Group_ID=761&store=snapon-store

You'll wonder how you ever got any work done without them.

--Chris

My next door nieghbor once came out with a El-CheapO Ratchet So I ask him to see it, I said here let me helpyou out ! And I through it as far as i could into the woods !!


CHEAP TOOLS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL !! GOD I HATE CHEAP TOOLS !!!!

Craftsman are great for most people, Dependable and Not to expensive ! However look in anyones toolbox who makes a living with there tools and
you will see some craftsman and a lot of Mac/ Snap-on / Matco's !!!
I suppose it is just prefference and Pro-Status once you get out of the junk tools. But the feel of a well made tool is like the feel of a well tuned bike
IT'S JUST PLAIN RIGHT !!!

I use almost all Snap-on tools, also have some Mac, all my air tools are Snap-on.

I am a machinist in a shipyard, and my tools get a lot of very hard use. Overall, Craftsman is the best: Snap -on and Hamilton are perhaps of higher quality, but they lack the availability and warranty of the Craftsman stuff. For precision work; Starret, Peacock, or Browne & Sharpe are tops. I have an old set of Williams sockets/ratchet (1/2 drive) that are pretty good as well. for the cheap s**t, Pittsburgh has a lifetime guarantee, just like craftsman.

this is sorta like guns, the best ones are the ones you have with you when you need them.

Boilermaker 8 years, Pipefitter 9 years, maintenance dude 20 years.
I've tunred wrenches in industry for 37 years.
Precision: Starett, Brown and Sharpe, (Lufkin used to make excellent precision tools)
For work:Proto and SK ratchets, breaker bars, and sockets.
Proto (black finish) and Williams combo wrenches. I don't like chrome finish.
I like Miller welders, but the best I've used are Hobart and Lincoln generator welders. P&H also made the smoothest rectifier welders that I ever used for TIG.
My tool box at home is filled with Powercraft tools. (Montgomery Wards). I collected them when I was a kid and they still suit me well.
If I were to win a set of tools, I would like to win a set of Mac's, for home
If I needed to buy a set for the house I would get craftsman because they swap them out when you break them.
Sometimes SK and Proto sockets are too thick to fit where you need them on a car or a bike, that is usually not the case on a turbine or a pump. Williams and Proto combo wrenches give you a confidence to break loose something with about 300 ft/lbs without falling to the lower deck. But the handles on the smaller sizes, are a little long for a car or a bike.
Oops I forgot Pipe tools: Rigid

I'm a light duty mechanic. Overhauled two engines in 20 years, do all the maintenance I can. I use Craftsman. I like the Crescent brand for swivel joint tools. Riged brand for pipe tools. Knipex makes a killer pair of slip joint pliers.I don't recall what Home Depot sells, but I twisted a 3/8 3" Home Depot extension right in half. Also, side note, NAPA wrenches are (or use to be) the same as Craftsman. My NAPA guy showed me a combination wrench once. At first, I couldn't figure out what he was trying to show me. Slow me, he had to point it out. The "Craftsman" logo had been ground off, and NAPA restamped over it. The "an" on the end of "Craftsman" had not been fully ground off. I tried to buy the wrench from him, but he wouldn't sell it to me!:laugh

Snap-On for Me, but maybe just about anything thats within reach LoL :p

Craftsman, Snap-on, Benchtop (suprisingly good tools), Crescent, and decent chinese/tiawan specials. In that order are what I have in my toolbox.

Sometimes it's good to have a cheap tool to use/destroy (if you ever need an odd shaped wrench, or have to manufacture your own tool). It's always best to use the correct tool for the right job, sometimes you just don't have it. Plus the cheap ones you can lend out.

All said and done I'd agree with alot of people craftsman being the best bang for the buck, but I've noticed quaility differences between the tools my father, and grandfather have and some of the ones I've purchased of late. It's a downtrend. (I've broken a few of craftsman, a couple the 1st time I used it.)

It all depends for me.Love snap on ratchets and sockets.Craftsman makes great stuff too though.The Lowes Kobalt brand is pretty decent stuff.

been around mechanics,and professional race teams all my life.Snap On seams to be the favored but Crafty is the best bang for the buck as stated,and same lifetime warranty as Snap On with less questions when you break that screwdriver pryin on stuck chit and usin yer rachet as a hammer!

If you have deep pockets, Snap On or Mac Tools are very nice. They do have some nice stuff.

For semi deep pockets, Proto makes some very nice tools.

And for the rest of us, like everybody said above, you just can't beat Sears Craftsman (the USA stuff, not the imported stuff).

If you need special application stuff , (sockets, wrenches ect.) you will have to get them from Snap On or Mac.

I myself, have a little bit everything above.

Ya know, the more I see polls like this, the more useless I realize they are.

What are the best tools?

How is that measured.

If it is by quality, I suspect Snap-on is THE best answer.

If it is value (quality vs. cost), then maybe Craftsman is the answer.

As I said months ago, I'll take a blend, but if I had my way, I wouldn't have much in the box that wasn't Snap-On (or Mac or Matco, but just cause I get those at cost).

Kev

If I remember correctly, there are only about three companies that actually forge the hand tools we know. I saw a list once of who made what. I'll try to find it again.

Here's part of the post I read on another forum. Two caveats. First, this did come off the interent and everybody knows that its the absolute truth, right?:p Second, its about three years old so some of the information may have changed (if it was right in the first place).

"Lowe) is selling a line of Mechanics Tools called Kobalt, which is made by Snap-On.

Home Depot's Husky brand is made by Stanley Mechanics Tools, a division of the Stanley Works.

Until 1994 or so, Stanley also made Sears Craftsman tools. Sears Craftsman is now made by Danaher Tools. They beat out Stanley on the contract over price. Danaher also manufactures MatCo Tools, the third largest player in the Mobile Automotive industry (behind MAC and Snap-On). Odds are, if you own any Craftsman tools that are older than about five years ago, Stanley made them in plants in Dallas, Texas, Wichita Falls, Texas, and Sabina, Ohio.

Stanley also owns MAC Tools and manufactures MAC tools in the same plants. Now here's the kicker: MAC Tools, Proto Tools (a very expensive industrial brand), Husky Tools, and, (prior to five or so years ago) Craftsman Tools are all made in the same plants. Proto is unique because it goes through additional testing and certification because it is used by NASA, the military, and industrial customers (including General Motors).

There are three MAJOR players in the USA mechanics tool business: Stanley, Danaher, and Snap-On. Stanley and Danaher (almost identical in sales revenue at about $28 billion each) are the biggest followed by Snap-On. Each of these three manufacture and sell tools under a variety of brands (there are many other brands that Stanley makes that I haven't even named). The quality between these three manufacturers is roughly the same.
There is a hand full of other minor players (Vermont American, etc) and an endless list of Taiwanese imports tool companies (some of which Stanley own as well as Danaher to serve the lower end consumer import brands at WalMart, etc). How do I know all of this? I work for Stanley Mechanics Tools, specifically with the Proto Industrial brand. I personally do not think that MAC, MatCo, or Snap-On branded tools are worth the extra markup. Where you need to pay attention are things like ratchets and torque wrenches. There are different specifications of ratchets and you do pay for the difference. Some mechanics require a finer, more precise ratcheting mechanism than guys like me who just bang around in the garage on the weekends.

By the way, Metwrench is basically considered a "gimick" infomercial tool brand that is not considered as a serious competitor to Danaher, Snap-On, or Stanley. Then again, IBM once didn't see Microsoft as a serious force in the personal computer business. Hmmmm....

FACOM has been around forever. French company, says "American" in the name FACOM is Franco-Americaine de Construction d'Outillage Mecanique. French for "French-American Mechanical Tool Manufacturing". It's now one of the largest tool conglomerates in Europe.

FACOM owns S-K outright. You'll notice (if you look through the catalogs from preceeding years) that the tools are becoming more and more alike. The S-K "pro" screwdrivers are now FACOM ergotwist screwdrivers. The "tuff1" ratchets are S-K pro ratchet handles avec FACOM innards. FACOM's ratcheting flare wrench now has S-K stamped on the side of it. I don't like it because we could get FACOM tools from S-K dealers for over 10 years, but now they're getting more and more reluctant to give us FACOM stuff, they'd rather sell S-K stuff. Which is why you get S-K catalogs instead of FACOM. If you specifically request (demand) a FACOM catalog, you get their _american_ catalog, which is abbreviated, along with a note to contact Griot's Garage. I've asked a French friend to get me a French market FACOM catalog, as they have all the good stuff that hasn't yet been absorbed into the S-K line. Ultimate Garage is a FACOM dealer as well as Griots, and I've been told (by richard?) they've got a catalog, dunno if it's FACOM's, but I'll order something and find out."

I have a one toolbox full of Craftsmen and Snap-on for me and another toolbox full of junk that I lend out, (son in laws-etc) I was a Processing Equipment Mechanic for the Postal Service for many-many years and I learned that cheap tools will only get you hurt and damage whatever you'r working on. It took us a long time to get the P.O. to get us decent tools instead of the crap in the GSA catalog. Please use good tools, your Sportster will thank you for it.:clap :clap :clap

Good post bmcdon...

Couple of thoughts though.

Even if the manufacturer is the same, specifications (from molds to metallurgy) may still differ from brand-to-brand.

I know that Kobalt was indeed made by the same people that make Snap-On (at least it was, don't know if that is current) and the Kobalt pieces I have in my box are damn near the fit, feel and finish of the many Snap-On pieces I have.

Craftsman is really decent for the money.

But their ratchets SUCK, I hate the damn release buttons, they are not NEARLY as fine tooth (for getting bite in tight places), their heads tend to be thicker and until the polished pro-series came out the old ratchet handles USED to dig into your hand by the end of the day. PLUS their sockets, though strong, tend to be physically larger than higher quality tools, so when clearance (length or thickness) becomes an issue, they tend not to fit where a Snap-On would.

That said, Craftsman is an excellent starting place. But a couple hundred dollars here or there spent on strips of Snap-On sockets or a ratchet or two will pay dividends in pleasure/ease of use over the long run.

Kev

Good post bmcdon...

Couple of thoughts though.

Even if the manufacturer is the same, specifications (from molds to metallurgy) may still differ from brand-to-brand.

I know that Kobalt was indeed made by the same people that make Snap-On (at least it was, don't know if that is current) and the Kobalt pieces I have in my box are damn near the fit, feel and finish of the many Snap-On pieces I have.

Craftsman is really decent for the money.

But their ratchets SUCK, I hate the damn release buttons, they are not NEARLY as fine tooth (for getting bite in tight places), their heads tend to be thicker and until the polished pro-series came out the old ratchet handles USED to dig into your hand by the end of the day. PLUS their sockets, though strong, tend to be physically larger than higher quality tools, so when clearance (length or thickness) becomes an issue, they tend not to fit where a Snap-On would.

That said, Craftsman is an excellent starting place. But a couple hundred dollars here or there spent on strips of Snap-On sockets or a ratchet or two will pay dividends in pleasure/ease of use over the long run.

Kev

I hear ya. I know for a fact that there are several brands of woodworking tools coming out of the Getech plant in Taiwan. Physically they look the same, just different paint. However, the higher priced machine has better motors and better features like ball bearings instead of nylon sleeves.

The only mechanics tool I've had fail, that I didn't abuse, was a Craftsman ratchet that was replaced under warranty. They also replaced a screwdriver I used as a chisel and a pair of pliers I used as an impact wrench.

If I'm not mistaken you can now buy Craftsman ratchets with finer ratcheting mechanisms like the Snap-on. I think they are in a premium line of tools that cost more than the standard.

If I'm not mistaken you can now buy Craftsman ratchets with finer ratcheting mechanisms like the Snap-on. I think they are in a premium line of tools that cost more than the standard.

I've got some, they're still not as fine toothed (still take more of an arc to reset a single click) than my Snap-Ons. YUP, they're better than they were, but still not up to snuff as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, a couple years back Craftsman sponsored my shop at Chilton, we got a truckload of pro boxes and tools. I still have some of it. Not bad, but again, not quite there still.

Oh, and sockets. I suspect the metal or the hardening process is different somehow between Craftsman and Snap-On.

Like I said earlier, the Craftsman sockets have always been larger (thicker and sometimes longer) for the same size. Plus they have always had less of a contact area so they were more likely to round off a fastener.

It's small/subtle differences, but worth it.

Kobalt is a Girls tool !!

:laugh :laugh :laugh
:p :p :p

Couldn't resist that one Dude !!!

I have some snap-on tools and I have a lot of Craftsman, But as was said before there Ratchets are not the greatest. I also have a couple sets of Armstrong Industrial wrenches I ordered through work and the are Great, Thin long and indestructable !! (Hmm Sorta like,,: Well No I won't !):laugh

Going to bed, I get my Hog back tomorrow !!:clap :clap

What kind of tools do you use? Craftsman.
The best brand of tools? Probably Snap-On.

Kobalt is a Girls tool !!

:laugh :laugh :laugh
:p :p :p

Couldn't resist that one Dude !!!



:doh

I don't know if Snap-On is still making Kobalt, but when I knew for sure that they were I picked up some wrench sets that are f'n EXCELLENT!

I think it's hard to beat their availability/quality/return policy and from what I hear, they are almost all made in the USA still.

Snap on is the best.I worked on big trucks for many years.Craftsman open end wrenches will spread causing your ,nice soft hands to impact hard cold steel at high speeds.Snap on will warranty tools even if the finish gets a bit dull.They are exspensive, but quality in every way.

jon

i'm going to go out on a limb and say Great Neck!










yesh i'v been tiping a few

Yous guys are only gettin' Craftsman 'cause
you like to go into the store and trade them
in... over and over


and over

(my 1/4" extensions last about 1 trip in the
toolbox on the trailer, then go in the get
their balls replaced)

-Willy

When its broke any tool that fits is the best tool in my book. I have snap-on, matco, stanly, and craftsman and what i like is the unconditional replacement guarentee. the sad thing is the more expensive impacts are only good for about one year.

Craftsman hand tools are made by various manufacturers. Danaher(Matco),Western Forge, Pratt-Read, AJManufacturing, SK, Stanley,Hyde. I'm sure there are others but I've seen these on some of the boxes the tools come in.

John

I voted Craftsman also. Everytime I buy a cheap screwdriver or individual tool at Wal-mart 'cause I need it quickly, I always regret it.:frownthre In-fact I have whole bunch of stripped out stanley screwdrivers that need thrown in the trash right now!
S&K tools must be good, (or more expensive) because I remember as a kid, that I could use my dad's tools as long as I didn't get into the S&K set. ha! :rolleyes: It was always amazing how when I used any of my dad's tools he always knew I had messed with them, even if I thought I put them exactly back where I found them.:D

Snap-On has during the last years bought some qaulity brands like Bahco, Swedish quality tools since more than 100 years, and Belzer, dito German.
Interesting to see how they are going to use these famous brands, different markets? Or maybe different selling channels? Time will tell...

Dremel.....

Interesting thread. I haven't voted yet because I have all the tools listed in the poll except Kobalt, vibrates and el cheapo.
I have over $15,000 in hand tools and the majority of them are not listed.
Decending order from most to least.
Bonney
Proto
OTC
Williams
Wright
Craftsman
NAPA
Stanley
Challenger by Proto
Plumb
Blue Point (they are not imported)
Utica
Allen(combination wrenches)
S-K Wayne
Matco
Mac
Snap-On
Powercraft(only one a 7/16 combination wrench)

I can glance in my toolbox and tell you if something is missing
or out of place. I know this is kind of anal, but that's the way
it is with my tools.

:usaflag

I can glance in my toolbox and tell you if something is missing
or out of place. I know this is kind of anal, but that's the way
it is with my tools.

:usaflag


no that's not "kind of" it's totally anal. But I can relate, cause I'm that way too. One glance in any drawer.

When the wife is playing sous-mechanic and grabbing stuff, if she doesn't know where it is (and that's rare) I can just say, third drawer down on the left side, toward the back on the right side... etc. ;)

There is no best. Rather, it's the ones that work right that I buy......

i always bought crasftsman but may change now. i tried to put rear rotor on with craft. star wrench and torque to specs but dam star tip snapped right off.

Snap-on is the best if you can afford them. Everything else is a lesser brand. Craftsman (or should we say K-Mart) were really good tools but their quality has gone down in the last few years. I think S&K would be my second choice. Stay away from the cheap Chinese crap at Harbor Freight.

You know there are a lot of threads here that ask what is the best. Best oil, best tool, best spark plugs, best pipes, best seat etc. How do we know what is the best? Have we performed independant testing on all these items? If I say that MAC Tools are the best can you prove me wrong? How about Snap-on? Most people don't have ready access to either unless they work in a repair shop where the trucks stop by every week. You are going to buy what you can afford and what is easily accessable. Which is usually Craftsman or Kobalt or what ever Home Depot is selling. Most name brand tools are going to be fine for what you do at home. Most Torx bits fail because they were used improperly, wrong size bit, wrong size drive (1/4" bit adapted to a 1/2" ratchet or breaker bar). I know there are some junk tools out there but remember I said name brand tools. Just like anything else in this world you try to buy the cheapest products you are going to get the worst performance.

Oh by the way , what is the best brand of Shoe laces to buy for my boots? :frownthre


OK rant over!

I'm a mechanic by trade. I have Snap-On, Mac and Matco tools. Craftsman are great for home use, my second "home set" is mostly Craftsman. I do heavily recommend to any home mechanic to get a set of Snap-On screwdrivers. They, by far, are the best in the world. It is amazing how much better they grip fasteners than anything I have ever tried. A screw that a Craftsman screwdriver would booger up, comes loose without any damage using a Snap-On.

I was never a Snap-on fan, had friends who loved em, but they just didn't do it for me, and the ratchets had a bad habit of stripping when you needed then most.
I was brought up with Mac tools, but haven't tried any newer ones in a long time. I use my tools for a living, and they do provide some Snap-on and a lot of Proto at the workplace, but the tools I brought in to the shop are mostly Craftsman. When it comes to tools I own, Craftsman is it hands down, they have rarely let me down, and if they do (by breaking), I can find a Sears 7 days a week, in most areas (K-mart even carries some Craftsman these days). That beats Snap-on and Mac for access to replacements. Funny thing is, I am partial to the cheapest style of ratchet that Craftsman has, and it has a handle that reminds me of the Snap-ons my buddies had. The "better" line is more reminiscent of Mac stuff, and I do own some, but prefer the others.

When it comes to removing screws....Apex bits do it best.

I would rather have the correct cheap tool for the job than an expensive tool that is not right for the job. I don't wrench and work on the house as much as I would like too so cheap tools last me a long time. I have quality sets of the basics. wrenches, ratchet sets, screwdrivers, and cutters. I have Dewalt and Milwaukie drills, 10'' mitrer saw and Sawsall. My grinders, air compressor, circular saw, tile cutter, air tools, specialty tools are cheap China.

I have Snap-On , Mac, Craftsman and Cornwell along with some of the cheap stuff.

I recommend expensive name brand tools they generally last longer and are worth buying, the cheap tools break very easy and are not worth buying as they have no long term life.
If you use tools a lot, buy good expensive tools they will last you a lifetime.

I use only FACOM tools.
That's french life guaranted tools, available in inches and metric.

I would rather have the correct cheap tool for the job than an expensive tool that is not right for the job. I don't wrench and work on the house as much as I would like too so cheap tools last me a long time. I have quality sets of the basics. wrenches, ratchet sets, screwdrivers, and cutters. I have Dewalt and Milwaukie drills, 10'' mitrer saw and Sawsall. My grinders, air compressor, circular saw, tile cutter, air tools, specialty tools are cheap China.

Nothing wrong with a cheap tool to get the job done (as long as it lasts at least for the one job, I've used some stuff that was SOOOO cheap it didn't make it through the one job).

That said, my expensive stuff has NEVER EVER EVER let me down and that stuff is normally the right stuff for the job!

I have mix and match of tools, mostly Craftsman, with a few Snapon, SK Wayne, NAPA Brand New Britain and Williams thrown in. 3 Craftsman Torque wrenches and 1 by Tork-it (0 to 36 in. lbs) for my model airplane engines.

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One thing I don't like about Craftsman is that they aren't giving you new tools anymore when you return a defective/broken tool. For example, I had a broken 1/2" ratchet and turned it in to my local Sears. They gave me a factory remanfactured unit that looked like hell. Sure it worked, but it wasn't new and it was quite obvious. That really changed my opinion of Craftsman.

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You mean when you returned it to your local K-Mart. Sears may still be on the building, but it's not Sears anymore.

Could be worse for many of you. I work for the government. We get "low-bidder", and the bent, damaged, and broken tools are unfortunately tossed back into the drawers at the tool cribs. To make it worse, the Navy forbids the use of "personal" tools. If the equipment gets damaged, it's ok, it's just our tax dollars.

Here in UK we have a nationwide chain of auto parts stores called Halfords. There's a branch on every high street or out-of-town retail park. I use a lot of their professional range as the quality is mostly pretty good, and on this range they give a lifetime garuntee! (Even for Far-East made stuff).
However, I also prize the few bits of Snap On kit that I own, especially the ratchet screwdriver with all the bits in the handle.
I also favour FACOM tools from France. We have a dealer round the corner from my office and I tend to spend too much in there too often.:rolleyes:

i am a carpenter by trade and only buy the best tools, however when it comes to wrenching i have many socket sets from differnt manufacturers however even if some are cheap everything works fine.
but tools i use all day long cost alot and last long

I'm a carpenter by trade, like tensejed, and have lots of tools for my trade, but also have been working on bikes and cars for ever. I don't do auto repair for fun, it's an economic decision. On the bikes though, I do like to tinker with them, and feel I can do most routine stuff better myself.
That said, most of my woodworking tools are professional grade tools, they pay for themselvs after a while. Milwaukee, Makita, Craftsman for table saws, Stanley-Bostich compressor and nail guns. Pasload trim guns, and even some Ryobi stuff, for backup. My auto tools are mostly Craftsman, with some SnapOns, and a few misc. brands mixed in. I've always thought that tools are worth paying for good quality, cause there's no worse thing than screwing up a bolt head or nut that you can't get to anyways.

Nothing wrong with a cheap tool to get the job done (as long as it lasts at least for the one job, I've used some stuff that was SOOOO cheap it didn't make it through the one job).

That said, my expensive stuff has NEVER EVER EVER let me down and that stuff is normally the right stuff for the job!

MadMax25:
Regarding quality tools…
At home it’s mostly older Craftsman, Stanley and a few Snap-On.
In Canada, it seems that Craftsman quality has gone downhill in past years.
Is that also the case in the US?
If I have to wrench at the side of the highway,
I want the BEST stuff there is.
There is only one goal… get running again any way you can.
Yeah… a tow may be possible, but I prefer to depend
on my skills and carry-along tools whenever possible.
What I do carry with me absolutely HAS to perform.
I can’t understand when I hear some folks say
they carry the cheapest of cheap on the road.
If you carry cheap tools on the road,
they are headaches-in-waiting.

I have about 25K in MATCO tools and I love them. I have bought all brands snap on (bad customer service), cornwell (dont carry much on the truck, have to order everthing) I use my tools to make a living and I can tell you that craftsmen will not hold up very long when you use them every day.

I have all kinds. Mostly Craftsman, some Snap-on, blue-point, a couple Mac tools, and some cheap stuff. If I need something that I know I'll probably never need again, or will hardly be used, I'll get REAL cheap and go to Harbor Freight.

Nothing wrong with a cheap tool to get the job done (as long as it lasts at least for the one job, I've used some stuff that was SOOOO cheap it didn't make it through the one job).

That said, my expensive stuff has NEVER EVER EVER let me down and that stuff is normally the right stuff for the job!

ditto this......

Ww

Snap-on and blue point mainly,plus a box of cheap crap, because you never know when you need to bend, grind,cut, weld, or abuse one for that one off job, and you dont want to total a £20.00 tool for that.

I voted snap on , but craftsman is more in my price range . Thinking about a new set of rachets , all the craftsman ones ive owned have been pretty crappy & the last time i returned one to sears they replaced it with a refurbished one. other than the rachets craftsman has served me well. can anyone recomend a good not so exspensive rachet?

Well my little tool collection mainly consists of stuff I inherited and stuff I bought out of necessity, .... ok and some just cause they're cool....:wonderlan

I've got craftsman, excelite, stanley, snap-on, and some 'gubment issue' stuff. I've also got a set of Metrinch sockets and wrenches which are really cool, cause they don't strip the heads. The pressure is all put on the flat part of the bolt, close to the middle, instead of the edges.

The newer stuff I've bought recently is S&K...torque wrench, allen head sockets, spring clip pliers, etc.

I like snap on, but I am poor and cannot afford, so I voted Craftsman, just for the simple fact that I can go to sears and replace it if I have to, which is often. Chasing down the tool guy sucks. especially if you wanna go racing that weekend, and need a jack or something.

I'm a journeyman automotive tech for the last 26 years and my tools of choice have always been Snap-on and Mac. Each brand has there place in my toolboxes. Tool performance at home is as important to me as at work. I travel with small assortment of Snap-on tool in my pack on longer rides. Haven't had to use them on my bike, but have to help others. Cheap tools only hurt you and damage fasteners. I have never been denied warranty (exchange or repair) on any of them. The tool trucks come by the shop every 2 weeks or same day if called. In 1976 my first year I spent 7500.00 on tools for work. Everyone said I was nuts to buy such expensive tools. 2008 most of the original tool purchase is still in my tool box. These are used every day.:banadanc

Mine are a combination of Minimax for Whitworth, AF, & Metric, spanners and sockets which I bought when I was an apprentice in the late 1970's then I have an assortment of Stanley, Snap on, Hans, and cheapie Chinese crap for other stuff where it doesn't matter.
The snap on and Hans is real good quality thats for sure.

I have a pretty nice set of Snap-On....and a bunch of newer Craftsmen.....their Snap-on clones. Well I notice that the Snap-on tools cause less markings on bolts, nuts etc, then the Craftsmen tools.

So I would say Snap-on is the best...Craftsmen are the best value.

Here in the U.K., metric is the norm, but I have randomly picked up imperial measure tools. Most of the imperial sets cost a fortune here. Such as Snap-On. Which would be my choice. Most of what I have are Draper. Some are Laser (which are ok). Many are cheaper made ones. When I lived in the U.S. and did car engine work, I had Thorsen tools. These were very reliable and never had any break on me. These were the type the U.S. Navy used. If they were good enough for them, they were ok for me! :shhhh While out to sea one time, I came home to find them (not find them?) missing. It was a large cabinet box that stood about 3 1/2' tall. Very heavy and no wheels on it. Wouln't want to meet the one who took them in a dark alley! :wonderlan
My late father had lots of tools that were Snap-on and Craftsman. They are still at my Mother's house now. Waiting on me. At least two large tool boxes full. They will cost a fortune to ship to me and I really don't want to risk the chance of them "disappearing". So I will have to wait 'til I get over and try to bring them back with me. Will still cost me alot as extra cost luggage carriage.
So for now, I'll have to make do with what I have. I've been okay so far... :wonderlan

i used to work in a garage going behind the mechanics to clean up and repair their tools and work space. I also handled replacements and new tools.

after a few years of that i found that the snap-ons were the most trouble free.. almost never had to replace or repair any of their stuff. the mac's were nice too. they broke but only if you really abused them. When we needed to chop a tool up for a special purpose we used craftsman cause they were cheap and reasonably durable.

anything else was personal equipment and usually broke quickly under the workload..

that said i have some unexplained favor towards the older craftsman 3/8 socket wrenches.. once you pull em apart, de-bur the inside teeth and re-grease them they worked like BUTTER..

Mac has a large selection of motorcycle and H-D specific tools in their catalog. Good stuff. Much of it made by JIMS

wurth ! simply the best ! expensive but its got life time guarantee

You guys are all spoiled for choice back in the real world.
Over here in Japan non-metric tools are thin on the ground, and hellaciously expensive.

I was lucky and picked up a set of USAG tools when a local auto accessory store went out of business. They're nicely finished tools, and a joy to use. Of course they're expensive, but so is everything else that's made properly and in a 1st world country.

Blue Point/Snap-on. I'm an aviation
mechanic/technician. I frequently
travel out of the country on service
trips and usually have to pack along
a few specialty tools of my own. I
can't afford a breakdown when they
aren't available in many countries -
Snap-On hasn't let me down yet.
Expensive? Hell yeah, but I buy the
best I can afford - that's why I drive
an H-D. I can afford a bigger bike
but I love my sportster.

Been a heavy diesel mechanic for the last ten months. My company would loan me or any other mechanic $3500 intrest free to buy tools. Well when you have no tools and no tool box you buy what you can. Well I have spent over 5 grand so far on tools. I use craftsman industrial, there are only two dealers that you can use at work. My tool box is full and when I can save up some money it is coming home and I am getting a nice box with some slip and kill I mean S&K tools in it. I got eveything I thought that I would ever need in it. If I don't have it and I need to use one I go out and but it because chances are I am going to need it again. The truck are standard bolts and nuts up until very lately and the engines are metric bolts and nuts with standard fittings on them. I heven't broke a single socket or wrench at work yet. The craftsman rachects do leave something to be desired though. It is a starter set. Do they get the job done, yes. If they break I can leave work and go to sears and get it replaced no questions asked by my boss.