Ok,

So I got my patch from Bert yesterday (Thanks Bert!), and I have my HOG patch as well. Now I'm wondering if there is some sort of etiquette for where a patch is placed. I really want to put my patches on my vest, but don't want to offend or look like a dumba$$.

Anybody out there have any suggestions? Also, I would like to hear how different members handle the concept of patches. Do you buy whatever ones you like, or do you only get ones that have significance, etc.

I really want to buy a U.S. Flag patch to put on my vest too.

Any information on this topic will be greatly appreciated.

:burnout

Clanure

I have my wife sew them on... I don't say anything about where I want them... I just cross my fingers and pray that they aren't too crooked.

Gazza

that's a good question.....

If it's only goin on ya HOG vest, then it don't matter...anywhere on the front...

Personally I wouldn't put ANYTHING on ya back unless you've earned it....

Watch those rockers if you add any, man. Very touchy area.....

Yeah, my wife sews 'em for me too....

I just kinda eyeball it and what looks good to my eye is where it goes.

.... I only wear a patch with significance. I sew it on by hand as part of the healing/acceptance process... its a cartharsis of sorts. On the same note I wont wear a HD t-shirt unless I actually rode there or its recieved as a gift. Same goes for pins.
.... In my very early days I met up with an old time scooter tramp, probalbly in his mid 60's at the time. You could read his whole life story on his vest, places he'd ridden, loved ones he'd buried or honored, bikes he'd rode, adventures experienced..... Very cool.... left a strong impression on me. I felt honored that he was willing to share his life experiences with me.

Your vest and your patches are YOUR statement until
you put a m/c club patch with rockers on the back , when
you do that your claiming colors and turf , which is
a whole different world . A riding club patch on the back is
ok as long as you dont have rocker patches with an area
on it .

you can do either..but any patch you take a fancy to or only those that have a significance.
I have a dungaree coat with a big harley eagle and bar & shield on the back. On the back along the bottom edge is a wide strip POW patch.
An American flag on the left shoulder and an Air Force Viet Nam Vet patch on the right arm. The left front chest has the HOG patch and the right front pocket has a patch I got at a motorcycle rally.
My leather vest has no patches------yet

you can do either..but any patch you take a fancy to or only those that have a significance.
I have a dungaree coat with a big harley eagle and bar & shield on the back. On the back along the bottom edge is a wide strip POW patch.
An American flag on the left shoulder and an Air Force Viet Nam Vet patch on the right arm. The left front chest has the HOG patch and the right front pocket has a patch I got at a motorcycle rally.
My leather vest has no patches------yet

I with you on that setup.

I have a jean jacket with a few of my military patches on it along with a 9/11 memorial patch, a Vet patch on the lower back, a "Jane Fonda: America Traitor Bitch" and a "XLFXLFXLFXLFXLFXLFXLF You, I have enough friends" patch on one side and my XLForm, a Sportster patch and a small HOG patch on the other.

My vest has no patches, just a small pin on the left breast that says "Preacher". I signed up for a Vets association, and I would put that patch on my vest. but not a generic Harley or other store-bought patch.

Here is what I got.

http://befree.homestead.com/files/vest_front_texted.jpg

http://befree.homestead.com/files/vest_back_texted.jpg

I have only worn it on long day trips, not to work or to the market....yet.

Proud of being in the Navy and proud of the USA and proud of Harley-Davidson. That about sums it up, for me.

http://befree.homestead.com/files/vest_back_texted.jpg


Classic Roger Miller....

Trailer for sale or rent
Rooms to let...fifty cents.
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain't got no cigarettes
Ah, but..two hours of pushin' broom
Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room
I'm a man of means by no means
King of the road.

Third boxcar, midnight train
Destination...Bangor, Maine.
Old worn out clothes and shoes,
I don't pay no union dues,
I smoke old stogies I have found
Short, but not too big around
I'm a man of means by no means
King of the road.

I know every engineer on every train
All of their children, and all of their names
And every handout in every town
And every lock that ain't locked
When no one's around.

I sing,
Trailers for sale or rent
Rooms to let, fifty cents
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain't got no cigarettes
Ah, but, two hours of pushin' broom
Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room
I'm a man of means by no means
King of the road.

:wonderlan

Your vest and your patches are YOUR statement until
you put a m/c club patch with rockers on the back , when
you do that your claiming colors and turf , which is
a whole different world . A riding club patch on the back is
ok as long as you dont have rocker patches with an area
on it .
I agree with you on that about 90 percent of the time. I have joined the Leathernecks MC though. Its a 3 part patch, but no MC patch. The california chapter removed it to avoid problems. They claim no territory. They only represent the fact they are all Marines (and NavyCorpsmen) that love Motorcycles. Leathernecks MC (http://www.caleathernecks.org/)

I agree with stevo on the "earned it" comment. My leather vest has the club patch and rockers ONLY onthe back. the front has a US Flag, POW patch, my USMC Unit patches, Chapter patch, name patch, and a HD Bahgdad patch.
(I already had my XLForumpatchon my jean vest)

Hi all.

I am not 1%er, I think that goes without saying though. :p

On my vest, I have the XLForum patch(I feel I earned it)a Sportster patch(There all I ever have owned) My HOG patch is still in route.
As to pins, I will not wear a pin I did not earn, It's the only way they mean anything at all.
I have a MDA Harley support pin(My Hog club had a run for MDA) a pin from the Liverpaloosa run(A benafit ride for liver research)and two for the Latus summer fun runs(2003 & 2004) They did not give pins for the 2005 run, just a T-shirt.
My last pin is my Second Amendment foundation pin, no ride for this one, I was a member(Still send them money from time to time) two make sure the second amandment stay with us. I have ben and am still active in the fight to keep our right to keep and bear arms, so I feel I earned this one.

I agree that if you didn't go to that dealer, you shouldn't wear there shirt, I try to pick up a shirt whenever I get to a new dealer.

I got's a black denim vest with a big Harley Eagle on the back, and my XL-Forum patch over my fron pocket, adn a skull and crossbones over the other pocket. Now my Trenchcoat got all kinds of pathces on it from movies and TV shows.
Aliens
X-Files
Transformers
Red Dwarf
V (wasn't that show awesome)
Dark Crystal
Metallica
Poison
Full Metal Alchemist
and more to come... Happiness!

my leather vest has my HOG patch...a custom cross and flames air brushed on the back to match my tattoo, my HOG and sturgis pins on the front, "smart ass white boy" patch on left lower pocket, and "I rode mine Sturgis '05" on the right lower pocket.

So is it safe to assume that putting patches on the back of a vest is for big statements (MC stuff) and the front is for whatever you choose to say about yourself?

I would put anything you want on the back, except....


a big 8x10 patch in the middle with a rocker on top saying a group name and a rocker on the bottom with a city or state

Ok,

So I got my patch from Bert yesterday (Thanks Bert!), and I have my HOG patch as well. Now I'm wondering if there is some sort of etiquette for where a patch is placed. I really want to put my patches on my vest, but don't want to offend or look like a dumba$$.

Anybody out there have any suggestions? Also, I would like to hear how different members handle the concept of patches. Do you buy whatever ones you like, or do you only get ones that have significance, etc.

I really want to buy a U.S. Flag patch to put on my vest too.

Any information on this topic will be greatly appreciated.

:burnout

Clanure

Some advice: If you do not belong to a Motorcycle Club or Riding Club (which I can tell you don't) then leave the back of your vest blank out of respect. You can put as many patches on the front that you like. Now take it for what it's worth but I have seen many folks put big Harley patches on the back of thier vests and strut like they are 1%ers but in all truth, they look like posers. The American flag patch is all class.

I belong to a club and therefore sport a back patch. I also have various patches on the front of my vest that have significant meaning (earned). I also have my name (Loco) tag on the front as well with an American flag patch. It's up to each person but in California, back patches and the 1% patches are serious buisness.

Take it easy...

Loco
So. Cal.

Watch those rockers if you add any, man. Very touchy area.....

A riding club and not a 1%er (Hells Angels, Mongols, Vagos, Sons of Silence, Warlocks, etc.) type club do not have state and territorial rockers. I know a few from the clubs mentioned and they are good people but they are the real deal and very protective of the 1%er patch and especially the state and city rockers (wars over states and cities).

The patch I wear and several others here as well, are a 1 piece patch with no territory or state rockers. This tells the 1%ers that we are a nuetral motorcycle club claiming no states or territory (no threat to them) which is serious business in the REAL biker world. Many of these non-1%er clubs are recognized and sanctioned as a club (recognized patch, no hassles from other clubs and patches) and that''s improtant to some degree. So it's all good but I have seen some wannabe's get educated wearing bullshit patches (whole different world when sporting patches and especially club patches).

The 1%er clubs wear a 3 piece patch. At the top is the name of thier club. In the center is the club patch and under (on the bottom rocker) will be the State ie: California or just thier territory ie: So. Cal. There are some 2 piece clubs but the two patches are sewed together. IMPORTANT: This is done out of respect for the outlaw 1%er clubs (mentioned above) that took the rockers (thier homes, where they come from) and the 1%er patches as badges of honor to seperate themselves from the main stream such as the American Motorcycle Association (AMA) who labeled such clubs as the Hells Angels as the 1% out of the 99% who are hooligans and lawbreaking thugs.

So the bottomline here is that if you sport a club patch, 1%er patch and a state or territorial rocker, always be prepared to get approached. Like I said, I saw a dude one time wearing an ebay 3 piece patch set on his vest in a well known biker establishment. He got approached by a couple of hardcore 1%ers. It was not a pretty scene.

So folks, if ya be sporting patches to be bad asses and aint! DON'T!

Loco
So. Cal.

Your vest and your patches are YOUR statement until
you put a m/c club patch with rockers on the back , when
you do that your claiming colors and turf , which is
a whole different world . A riding club patch on the back is
ok as long as you dont have rocker patches with an area
on it .

That goes right into my explanation of the differences between the 1 piece back patch and the 1%ers 3 piece back patches.

Loco
So. Cal.

So let me get this straight, if I wear my denim vest with my Hog patch with the South coast rocker on the back I am going to be killed by the hells' angels or some other hard core gang? I have been wearing it for some time-with or without riding on a hog ride-and have passed guys with angels vests and never had an issue. Also been to Cook's a number of times and never had anyone bust a bottle over my head. Or do you guys mean the more private clubs?

So let me get this straight, if I wear my denim vest with my Hog patch with the South coast rocker on the back I am going to be killed by the hells' angels or some other hard core gang? I have been wearing it for some time-with or without riding on a hog ride-and have passed guys with angels vests and never had an issue. Also been to Cook's a number of times and never had anyone bust a bottle over my head. Or do you guys mean the more private clubs?

From what a 1%er told me, the HOG back patch with the chapter rocker (if ya wanna call it that cause it really is an attachment to the main HOG patch) is attached most of the time (I have seen some appear as 2 piece patches) at the very top and is a safe (harmless) patch to wear. ALL 1%ers recognize HOG patches and certain riding club patches (1 pieces on the back) as non threatening bikers to them or thier territories.

Now wear a 3 Dueces top patch, 3 duece MC patch in the middle and a California rocker on the bottom and let the Angels, Mongols or Vagos see ya at a cantina somewhere and ya will have an issue. And the Hells Angels and others are not gangs they are Motorcycle Clubs. Motorcycle enthusiasts that take biking and brotherhood to heart.

:gun

:cucumber

Loco
So. Cal.

The only cool place you could pull off the "1%er" patch set is a gay biker bar. They won't kill you, but they will break out in an annoying version of "West Side Story" that will last for hours.

I hear it could bore you to death though.

On my back I wear a patch stating that I am a submariner, I like harleys, and a patriotic flag.

If a 1%er tells me he's got a problem with it, then I will take it off.

They are not just gonna shoot ya on sight. They'll act bad assed. Strength in numbers ya know. Just give respect and they will leave you alone.

say "Sorry man, I didn't think it was a big deal, obviously I'm in the wrong here, I'll take off the vest in your presence, didn't mean you any disrespect...blah blah blah."

If they are still giving you shit, just leave. Strength in numbers thing again. There are a million other places to hang out. Life is too short to worry about it.

I am who I am. I wear what I wear. You can think I'm a "poser" but I KNOW what I am.

I'm a harley loving, u.s.a. loving, ex submariner who rides the shit out of his motorsickle. 16.5K in 14 months in Wisconsin and I have respect for the brotherhood. Had a brotherhood of a different sort when serving on fast attack subs.

Later.

In the fall I wear a Dickies shop jacket with no patches. In the winter I wear a black leather jacket I got at some mall store on sale for next to nothing, again with no patches.

If I was a member of the HAMC or other organization (or I'd served in the military) I'd wear the patch(es) with pride.

From what a 1%er told me, the HOG back patch with the chapter rocker (if ya wanna call it that cause it really is an attachment to the main HOG patch) is attached most of the time (I have seen some appear as 2 piece patches) at the very top and is a safe (harmless) patch to wear. ALL 1%ers recognize HOG patches and certain riding club patches (1 pieces on the back) as non threatening bikers to them or thier territories.

Loco
So. Cal.
That was my feeling about HOG patches. They're not stupid, they realize what HOG is all about.

[\quote]
The 1%er clubs wear a 3 piece patch. At the top is the name of thier club. In the center is the club patch and under (on the bottom rocker) will be the State ie: California or just thier territory ie: So. Cal. There are some 2 piece clubs but the two patches are sewed together. IMPORTANT: This is done out of respect for the outlaw 1%er clubs (mentioned above) that took the rockers (thier homes, where they come from) and the 1%er patches as badges of honor to seperate themselves from the main stream such as the American Motorcycle Association (AMA) who labeled such clubs as the Hells Angels as the 1% out of the 99% who are hooligans and lawbreaking thugs.

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Not all "3 piece patch" clubs are 1%ers... Also not all clubs with a 3 piece patch have their state or territory rocker on their patch. Everyone has their own impression or opinion on how and where to place patches on their vest or jacket, but bottom line is, be tasteful. Don't offend anyone and don't try to be something your not. 99% of the time, no one will cause you any problems if you don't start it first. We have alot of "Devils Breed" over here with no problems at all. And you will see alot of different patches on the backs of riders. It really all comes down to your attitude and your overall intentions with your patch.

A riding club and not a 1%er (Hells Angels, Mongols, Vagos, Sons of Silence, Warlocks, etc.) type club do not have state and territorial rockers. I know a few from the clubs mentioned and they are good people but they are the real deal and very protective of the 1%er patch and especially the state and city rockers (wars over states and cities).

The patch I wear and several others here as well, are a 1 piece patch with no territory or state rockers. This tells the 1%ers that we are a nuetral motorcycle club claiming no states or territory (no threat to them) which is serious business in the REAL biker world. Many of these non-1%er clubs are recognized and sanctioned as a club (recognized patch, no hassles from other clubs and patches) and that''s improtant to some degree. So it's all good but I have seen some wannabe's get educated wearing bullshit patches (whole different world when sporting patches and especially club patches).

The 1%er clubs wear a 3 piece patch. At the top is the name of thier club. In the center is the club patch and under (on the bottom rocker) will be the State ie: California or just thier territory ie: So. Cal. There are some 2 piece clubs but the two patches are sewed together. IMPORTANT: This is done out of respect for the outlaw 1%er clubs (mentioned above) that took the rockers (thier homes, where they come from) and the 1%er patches as badges of honor to seperate themselves from the main stream such as the American Motorcycle Association (AMA) who labeled such clubs as the Hells Angels as the 1% out of the 99% who are hooligans and lawbreaking thugs.

So the bottomline here is that if you sport a club patch, 1%er patch and a state or territorial rocker, always be prepared to get approached. Like I said, I saw a dude one time wearing an ebay 3 piece patch set on his vest in a well known biker establishment. He got approached by a couple of hardcore 1%ers. It was not a pretty scene.

So folks, if ya be sporting patches to be bad asses and aint! DON'T!

Loco
So. Cal.
Not always true. As I stated before, The leathernecks MC is a 3 peice patch. Leathernecks on the top rocker, Club patch in the Center, and Marines on the bottom rocker. These 1%ers as every one likes to call them, also where a MC patch, usually in the lower right portion in referenceto the club patch. I have been around the bike community for a while as well. The idgits that get in situations are usually a group of posers, who make there own club, and talk trash. Not always, usually. Leathernecks MC is international. There are chapters inall 50 states. I cannot speak for CVMC, but I would assume they are along the same lines as LMC. They where a 3 piece patch..............

This post was about a normalpatchandwear to put it. Bro, you ride for yourself, put the patch were you think it looks the best, and have fun.

From what a 1%er told me, the HOG back patch with the chapter rocker (if ya wanna call it that cause it really is an attachment to the main HOG patch) is attached most of the time (I have seen some appear as 2 piece patches) at the very top and is a safe (harmless) patch to wear. ALL 1%ers recognize HOG patches and certain riding club patches (1 pieces on the back) as non threatening bikers to them or thier territories.

Now wear a 3 Dueces top patch, 3 duece MC patch in the middle and a California rocker on the bottom and let the Angels, Mongols or Vagos see ya at a cantina somewhere and ya will have an issue. And the Hells Angels and others are not gangs they are Motorcycle Clubs. Motorcycle enthusiasts that take biking and brotherhood to heart.

:gun

:cucumber

Loco
So. Cal.

I've got an old cutoff denim that has a 99%er patch in a triangle on the front, and an Iron Cross below the left pocket. I'm not a 1%er so I thought I must be a 99%er and don't get any beefs.
However I've got a really cool Rat fink patch and a rocker set that states Old School Forever. I kind of thought this could kind of fun for a an event bcause the bike is a 69 chopper, but yeah I didn't know if it was cool to have top and bottom rockers. It's obviously not a club, but I was hesitant about the whole three piece thing. Whaddaya think?

Would this help.


Grayfeather.

Wow, I feel lucky I don't have to deal with any "biker clubs". The last town I lived in had 100 people, and there were 3 of us that rode Harleys. I wanted to start the 3%'s :smoke :gun

Wow that was (is) a lesson to me guys.
I grew up (in the wee years) around a group here in co.
Didn't know over half of what was said and I'm sure to keep it all in mind.
So can anyone show me what is a rocker? A pair of pistons? I'm sure that to find out all I need to do pay closer attention to what is being flown. I always try and see when I can but it seems that there is some heat going round at times and the read isn't appreciated or at least unwanted. My old man tells me stories of when the stealership wouldnt even sell him parts. Man, the things that happen . Any way here is what I have on my denim. I had a trumpit patch above it all but took it off and stuck it in the pocket. Also have a camel vest that is clean and a camel black denim jacket for winter also clean, Need that xl forum patch how much?????
Later, nativebroncofan :why the sun is riseing :xlrocks

My intention is not to cause fear or loathing regarding patches. I want to educate those not in the know. I would never want anyone to get into a jam they are not prepared mentally & physically to handle.

In many States, patches are not an issue. Cool deal. But you get into New York, California, Texas, Washington, Nevada, Arizona and a few others and you will have an issue sporting unearned club patches, etc. In my state alone we have many 1%er clubs: The Vagos MC, Mongols MC, Hells Angels MC, Hessians MC, Henchmen MC, Skeleton Crew MC, BoozeFighters MC, Vietnam Veterans MC, Carnales MC, Red Devils MC, Rebels MC, Top Hatters MC, Sundowners MC and many more! So it's important (IMO) that folks (especially new folks) know the deal out here.

Ride safe all...

Loco
So. Cal.

Wow that was (is) a lesson to me guys.
I grew up (in the wee years) around a group here in co.
Didn't know over half of what was said and I'm sure to keep it all in mind.
So can anyone show me what is a rocker? A pair of pistons? I'm sure that to find out all I need to do pay closer attention to what is being flown. I always try and see when I can but it seems that there is some heat going round at times and the read isn't appreciated or at least unwanted. My old man tells me stories of when the stealership wouldnt even sell him parts. Man, the things that happen . Any way here is what I have on my denim. I had a trumpit patch above it all but took it off and stuck it in the pocket. Also have a camel vest that is clean and a camel black denim jacket for winter also clean, Need that xl forum patch how much?????
Later, nativebroncofan :why the sun is riseing :xlrocks

Your patch is perfectly okay. If I do this right I'll post a pic of a movie prop set so you can see the layout and top and bottom rockers. even though this isn't a real club you would catch flak for wearing these.http://www.xlforum.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3917
Hope this helps.
Ron

My intention is not to cause fear or loathing regarding patches. I want to educate those not in the know. I would never want anyone to get into a jam they are not prepared mentally & physically to handle.

In many States, patches are not an issue. Cool deal. But you get into New York, California, Texas, Washington, Nevada, Arizona and a few others and you will have an issue sporting unearned club patches, etc. In my state alone we have many 1%er clubs: The Vagos MC, Mongols MC, Hells Angels MC, Hessians MC, Henchmen MC, Skeleton Crew MC, BoozeFighters MC, Vietnam Veterans MC, Carnales MC, Red Devils MC, Rebels MC, Top Hatters MC, Sundowners MC and many more! So it's important (IMO) that folks (especially new folks) know the deal out here.

Ride safe all...

Loco
So. Cal.

This is important to think about and could get one in trouble if you wear something that might set off a 1%er. You may never know if you run into one either. Many of these groups are now nation wide. Remember after all, the WAR between the Hells Angels and the Mongols was over the wearing of the California rocker patch.

I think people get a little too freaked out about the whole patch thing. In MD we have a lot of Pagans and HA's. They aren't stupid guys ya know....most of them are likely quite educated fellows. They know the difference between a wannabe outlaw club trying to make a name for themselves or a club patch wearer that is "in the wrong place" and a regular Joe wearing a riding club (non-territorial) patch or a HOG patch or a HD patch with wings on the back of their jacket. And, you can be sure they also know exactly what non-territorial clubs are located within their area and what the patches look like. As long as you aren't trying to challenge them or directly disrespect them, they have better things to do than worry about you and your non-territorial patch IMO. I'm fairly sure if I had a big Biker Boop patch across the back of my jacket, they wouldn't think I was trying to disrespect them by wearing it LOL Let's give them a little credit. ;)

I wear stuff on my jacket that has meaning to me. I didn't "earn" everything on my jacket and so what? Everything I put on there means something to me and shows a little part of who I am and that's why I wear them. :)

... One of the best reads Ive come across dealing with this subject is a book writin by a sociologist, very UN-biased and objective look for it at/or order it from Barnes-Noble... definitely worth having in yer collection.
Its called: "The Rebels" about a club out of Canada.
Ive had 3 copies that have all mysteriously disappeared so ya gotta get yer own copy.
But hey... thats jus my humble $.02 worth.

This is important to think about and could get one in trouble if you wear something that might set off a 1%er. You may never know if you run into one either. Many of these groups are now nation wide. Remember after all, the WAR between the Hells Angels and the Mongols was over the wearing of the California rocker patch.

And it is still an issue to this day. Club officers (which has always been a non no) are NOW getting killed. It all started over the bottom CALIFORNIA rocker that the Mongols MC started wearing in Hells Angels country. Wirthout the consent of the Hells Angels so the Mongols got thier patches ripped off from thier vets and there ya go! I know a couple of dudes from each club. I ride with a nuetral club and OUR patch is accepted and recognized by ALL MC's. RC's and 1%ers so no issues and it only works if you are nuetral and socialize with all MC's and RC's.

:gun

Loco
So. Cal.

I think people get a little too freaked out about the whole patch thing. In MD we have a lot of Pagans and HA's. They aren't stupid guys ya know....most of them are likely quite educated fellows. They know the difference between a wannabe outlaw club trying to make a name for themselves or a club patch wearer that is "in the wrong place" and a regular Joe wearing a riding club (non-territorial) patch or a HOG patch or a HD patch with wings on the back of their jacket. And, you can be sure they also know exactly what non-territorial clubs are located within their area and what the patches look like. As long as you aren't trying to challenge them or directly disrespect them, they have better things to do than worry about you and your non-territorial patch IMO. I'm fairly sure if I had a big Biker Boop patch across the back of my jacket, they wouldn't think I was trying to disrespect them by wearing it LOL Let's give them a little credit. ;)

I wear stuff on my jacket that has meaning to me. I didn't "earn" everything on my jacket and so what? Everything I put on there means something to me and shows a little part of who I am and that's why I wear them. :)

But wear a non sanctioned club patch (does not include HOG patches & Harley patches, harmless which you stated) into a Pagans Bar and watch what happens. Ask some twenty something year olds (Massachussetts, I believe I read that from) who walked into a Rebels MC territory bar sporting thier 3 piece Black Label Society back patches. Those dudes got educated real quick.

Just be cool ya'll. HOG PATCHES AND HARLEY PATCHES ARE ALL GOOD! Kath is right, the 1%ers recognize what time it is and who the threats are and aren't...

:gun

Loco
So. Cal.

.
So can anyone show me what is a rocker?

http://www.hells-angels-oakland.com/

Rockers are the semi circle patches above and below the HA logo....

I wear stuff on my jacket that has meaning to me. I didn't "earn" everything on my jacket and so what? Everything I put on there means something to me and shows a little part of who I am and that's why I wear them.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about it. The patches and pins tell my story. Some of them may be purchased when on the road, and others may be earned, but they will all tell a little bit about me. A glimpse into my soul...

Clanure

This pretty much sums up how I feel about it. The patches and pins tell my story. Some of them may be purchased when on the road, and others may be earned, but they will all tell a little bit about me. A glimpse into my soul...

Clanure

Everyone has to start somewhere. Just don't get and put on all at ONCE the H-D Shirt, H-D Bandana, H-D Boots, H-D underwear, H-D Helmet, H-D gloves, H-D glasses, H-D Wallet chain, H-D watch!!!! :roflblack

Just funnin with ya (you get it though). Good luck to ya and keep the rubberside down dude.

:gun

Loco
So. Cal.

when in doubt.......don't


simple really


the local Sgt at arms is rebuilding his bike in my workshop and I work on most of the rest of the clubs bikes.......
I ride with these guys and I party with 'em

They're the real deal....

I don't wear any patches on my vest.........

But I have a party hat that's full of patches and badges....


I will repeat .... if in doubt ....................DON'T

it's often not the older hardcore guy that's gonna get upset but watch for the noms that have to prove themselves

When a real MC does not like what your wearing on your back they might politely ask you to remove it or not. And if you do not they will do it for you. Usually if it is not a 3 piece patch you have no problems and your considered a riding club or to be in one. But if you put MC on your back your going to have problems. Just something to think about.
Starbuck out.

I think people get a little too freaked out about the whole patch thing. Let's give them a little credit. ;) :)
It doesn't get much clearer than that. I rode patch for a buncha years back in the 70s and what Kath says is pretty much true.

watch for the noms that have to prove themselves
"Noms"-Aussie for striker... certainly something to consider.

All good info......Thanks.
No plans of getting anything but my bike back up and running again.
Parts of my family have run, flown and did god only knows what and I will leave that to their history I just grew up around it, somewhat sheltered by my mother I geuss. I figuerd thats why some members of my family seemed a bit nervous when I picked out a harley. :smoke
Later, nativebroncofan

9/11 Memorial patch on left front over my heart. Lets Roll patch on bottom strip on the back.

9/11 Memorial patch on left front over my heart. Lets Roll patch on bottom strip on the back.

And want to get one put on my vest. The 9/11 Memotial patch to go with my in memoery patches of brothers lost.

:gun

Loco
So. Cal.

Everyone has to start somewhere. Just don't get and put on all at ONCE the H-D Shirt, H-D Bandana, H-D Boots, H-D underwear, H-D Helmet, H-D gloves, H-D glasses, H-D Wallet chain, H-D watch!!!! :roflblack

Just funnin with ya (you get it though). Good luck to ya and keep the rubberside down dude.

:gun

Loco
So. Cal.

It's all good. Hell, I was raised that the only thing that needed the H-D was the scoot. Besides, I'm one of those dumb punk kids that can't keep his pants up around his waist, so I doubt the H-D Jeans, etc. would fit into my wardrobe. Although I do have one H-D t-shirt that I got for free from the stealer where I bought my bike.

I probably won't put anything on the back of my vest until it's earned, but I do want to display what I have earned (HOG, XLForum, MSF, etc.). After all, isn't that why they give em to ya?

Clanure

It's all good. Hell, I was raised that the only thing that needed the H-D was the scoot. Besides, I'm one of those dumb punk kids that can't keep his pants up around his waist, so I doubt the H-D Jeans, etc. would fit into my wardrobe. Although I do have one H-D t-shirt that I got for free from the stealer where I bought my bike.

I probably won't put anything on the back of my vest until it's earned, but I do want to display what I have earned (HOG, XLForum, MSF, etc.). After all, isn't that why they give em to ya?

Clanure

Put them patches on your vest and have a good time.

:gun

Loco
So. Cal.

It appears this subject has been well covered. A lot of good advice and links. I have a small HOG patch and a medium size NHRA drag racing member patch on the back of my vest and I put memory patches of lost friends on the sides (given to me out of respect for my friendship). If I run out of room which I hope I won't, I will be putting them on the back. I have one small American flag pin on the lapel and have attended a few biker functions in my day with never even a comment. To this point of time I have been able to ride when I want, where I want, and with who I want and have yet to have any problems. I quit crashing parties quite a few years back though. If you are invited you didn't crash, correct. I work hard, I ride hard, and I party very hard! So with many in the biker community, we have more than motorcycles in common. I own a Harley, I have drag raced for over twenty five years, I'm an American, and some of my friends are no longer with us! I personally don't try to offend or disrespect (this is a term that gripes me though because I feel respect is earned and only earned- not an entitlement). As stated earlier by another if you have a problem, just leave! Too many cool people to hang out with and cool places to see and enjoy. For many part of the experience is individualism and many motorcyclist show this through their bike and rag. I've been all over the world and have only had problems when in the company of some big mouthed as*hole. "When in Rome it's best to speak Roman".
Live to Ride!

Don't wear patches...mainly ride to work wearing a suit :roflblack :roflblack don't think my boss would appreciate it.

so what if I don't look cool..not trying :tour

Don't wear patches...mainly ride to work wearing a suit :roflblack :roflblack don't think my boss would appreciate it.

so what if I don't look cool..not trying :tour
Exactly...............
can we have just one thread on this subject, like the silly "girls Bike" crap (one and only thread). Too many threads about the same subject.
I believe it is wise to educate new and in some cases old riders but this horse is dead.
Have family that are MC members, I personally don't need or want to be part of that scene. Just want to "kick the tires and light the fires" and get on the road and enjoy the ride. Just my opion :)

Not to beat a dead horse, but what about t-shirts? cause I was at a bike show and I live in Chicago and most of the bikers that have patches all have Chicago Outlaws MC, anyways they were selling t-shirts that said "Support Your Local Outlaws, Chicago MC" , I was thinking of getting one?

-funny story, I was at the local diner sitting at the counter in my standard non-descript biker attire (Jeans, t-shirt , boots and 1/4 sleeve tat showing) and about 5 gang-bangers walked in and started stairing hard at me and then one of them said , don't f#$%#$ with him he's an "outlaw" and they turned around and sat at the opposite end.

Yup, Wife and I work together to sew them on... Hers has the Red Roses and Harley on the back in the center at the bottom. She also has the #1 pin and HOG Pin to match my patches...

Left Chest - Red/White/Blue Number 1. To symbalize the old school flat trackers who really helped to bring the Sportsters out into the light.

Left Sleeve by wrist - Black and silver Iron Cross with wings.

Right chest - H.O.G patch. (Yes, I'm a member...)

Right Shoulder - Detroit Harley Logo patch with the big D. Tells ya I'm from Detroit, where the week are killed and eat'en.

Left flank on the rear - Black and Red POW/MIA, Thanks to the Brothers who can no longer ride beside me in physical form.

Right flank on rear - The Ace of Spades, Just for luck and attitude.

Center Bottom of the back - The Blue and Red Harley logo eagle with feathers to match my ride, a gift from my Father when I first picked her up.

Just above that - The imfamous Orange Sportster Logo patch

(Not Decided yet) Black and White "XLFXLFXLFXLFin A"
(Not Arrived yet) XL Forum Patch

Thanks for listening... I feel really good zipping up my leather for the next ride. Wear it all year long, Dress for the crash, not the ride!

I was one of the chaplains at Ground Zero in NYC. I was there for two months, Sept. and Oct.

If I had a vest (I will someday, I've only had the bike for 3 weeks) I would wear a 9/11 remembrance patch. I think I've earned it. I would also wear my HOG patch, a VET patch, and a Sportster patch. I like some of the commercial patches but don't know if I'd put them on the vest/jacket.

I like the look of the large HOG patch on the back of a jacket with the large chapter rocker on the top.

Loco, Thanks... you answered exactly the questions I have been wondering about... do not want to ruffle any feathers or get into any jams...
JJ :tour

I have the H-D racing team jacket. Sportster patch on the right chest. Then a patch that says "My Dad is a Veitnam Vet"and a US Navy chrest pin. Dad was in the Navy. Lost him in March of 05 and wanted something on my jacket to memorialize him. Then an American flag on the left shoulder, and Eagle with wings spread POW-MIA emblem on one wing and American flag on the other. My HOG pin, a pin my parents got me from Pacific H-D in Hawaii and a POW-MIA pin. Dad was the Department of Illinois VFW POW-MIA Director for 3 years. Was something he felt strongly about and instilled in me.

When I was a teenager I was into putting band patches on everything and I'm still somewhat into that although the vintage green West German military jacket(all flags removed) I usually wear riding simply has a Black Sabbath(my favorite band) button and a tiny Lancer Brigade pin I got from my sister's 1st Sergent's wife after they got back from Iraq. I'm pretty sure it was made as a family/friends support type pin but I'll have to ask sis about it. She thinks it's cool that I wear it but I want to be sure it's okay so I'll find out what I can. Any opinions on that from the military folks here?

I do have another jacket that I never wear riding(only because all the front bottons fell off) with some rather small band patches on the back but they don't at all resemble anything MC related. All bands I'm very into of course! Posers suck!

I've heard that some 1%ers don't like those Black Label Society back patches, what about the Motorhead ones?- http://cgi.ebay.com/MOTORHEAD-ENGLAND-SEW-ON-BACK-PATCH-OFFICIAL-PRODUCT_W0QQitemZ7561084656QQcategoryZ58705QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
Could that get one beat up? Or does everyone pretty much agree that Motorhead rules? hehe

I've watched this patch thing for years. It comes and goes with every passing fad from the CB radio craze of the 70s and 80s to motorcycling anonn. It always struck me as peculiar the way some folks need to identify with one thing or another instead of just being themselves. Never been quite able to figire it out but I'm kinda weird that way. I don't even care for T or sweatshirts shirts with writing on them.

I've watched this patch thing for years. It comes and goes with every passing fad from the CB radio craze of the 70s and 80s to motorcycling anonn. It always struck me as peculiar the way some folks need to identify with one thing or another instead of just being themselves. Never been quite able to figire it out but I'm kinda weird that way. I don't even care for T or sweatshirts shirts with writing on them.

Pretty much all I wear is band t-shirts- Black Sabbath, Hendrix, Goatsnake, Yes, Sleep, Rush, Electric Wizard... just obsessed with music I guess. I suppose I could decide to grow up and start wearing nice preppy shirts like some people I know did, na.
:dpepper

Rock on, ride on! Stay a kid forever!

First off, I am Retired from any of the following. Some of you may not care much for this side of me but I have started 2 MC Clubs (MC Meaning "REAL" Motorcycle Clubs) both were Associates of a 1% Club (1%er Means they do not follow the beliefs of the other 99% of bikers. They are the Real "BAD BOYS" of the motorcycle world, A Brotherhood). One of the clubs that I started has become an affiliate club now, that means they are as close to being 1%ers as it gets without actually Probating for That "Real 1% Club". 1%er Clubs have a patch on the front of their vest to designate just that. I will leave the names out of this to protect everyone, dropping names can be a very dangerous thing to do.
Here is the way it is, at least in general terms. There are 1 piece patch clubs like The HOG Club. Even if the members seperate the HOG Patches, it carries NO meaning. Other 1 piece patch clubs exist with the permission of the ruling 1% Club, it will normally be a logo and club name on the same patch centered on the back of a vest normally.These both are a breakfast clubs period and many 1%ers are also members of HOG for the benefits. The HOG Club is of no threat to 1%ers and they go about their own way unless a HOG Member tries to put a 1%er down. Bad Move. 2 Piece Patch Clubs with no MC (Back Center Patch is the Club Logo, Top Rocker is the Clubs Name), are goverened by the ruling 1% club in the area. They are of little consequence and are generally considered supporters of the areas 1% club. 2 Piece Patch Club with MC (The MC signify's the clubs first step into the "Big League"). These are normally clubs that have proven their Support and Loyalty for the areas 1% club over time and the ability to stand somewhat on their own. They have gained a moderate level of respect from the 1%ers. The next step is to add a bottom rocker with stated territory (This goes 1 step closer to the Big Boys). These clubs are highly respected by the 1%ers in the local area and have proven themselves well. Associates wear a 1% Clubs "Support Patch" on the outside of their vest (Support Your Local XXXXXXX). This can be with any combination of Back Patches listed above, It's just another level of respect. Affiliate patches are not given lightly. The clubs who wear these are treated like true brothers of the areas 1% Club and the same at All friendly 1% Clubhouses Worldwide. A note to the wise: Starting a patch club (Putting a Non Generic Patch in the Back Center of your vest or jacket) without having the local 1% Club involved would be "VERY POOR JUDGEMENT" on your part to say the least. Support patches for a 1% Club, ASK THEM WHERE TO PUT IT.... and it better be for the right 1% Club (Club Respected Individuals Like Us Can Wear These Too). Memory patches for friends "Brothers and Sisters Lost" Normally go at the bottom of the back of vests and jackets but I have seen some clubs wear them on the front (We can do these too). Oh, you may see a CM patch on the back of an MC Club Members Vest, this is a designation of a Charter Member, a Club Founder/Original Member.
I have sewn thousands of patches on jackets and vests for ALL of the above type clubs, so I have a real idea what I am saying.
So much for a brief lesson in MC Patches.

Now for us, The True 99%ers:

These guys (1%ers) aren't in anyway stupid, in fact they generally are good people who when consider your friend can be counted on when you need them. Unlike many other people in the world. They know that if the patch you have in the middle of your back has a logo with US Air Force, USMC, US Army, US Navy, Harley Davidson, Chevy, Ford, so on and it is just a patch with no rockers above or below they aren't going to give you any grief unless they are just looking for trouble, Or You Are. "Generic Over The Counter Patches" are fine in the middle of your back on a Vest or a Jacket.
The front of your vest or jacket. Your countries flag goes somewhere near your heart (on the left). Lessor importance flags go opposite on the right side. Other patches (your name, Statement patches "XL Forum" etc, pins, what ever, normally small to medium in size go on the front pretty much anywhere you choose.
DO NOT PUT YOUR XL FORUM PATCH IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BACK, IT SIGNIFIES A CLUB OR ORGANIZATION, THIS WOULD BE A WRONG MOVE ON YOUR PART and WOULD BE OPEN TO INTERPRETATION BY THE PERSON VIEWING IT. It could have serious consequences to you. I have no idea how big the XL Forum patch is yet, but it's best to put it very low if you have to put it on the back. On the front it's a statement patch and can go most anywhere.

And to think the only reason I came to this posting area was to write Bert to become a supporting member and get an XL Forum Patch.:tour

stargateops / Club Given Name: Grumpy / Dave

PS: FYI: I was given my nickname (Not My Screen name) Grumpy officially by a 1%er Presidents Father in 1994, Crusher

Pretty much all I wear is band t-shirts- Black Sabbath, Hendrix, Goatsnake, Yes, Sleep, Rush, Electric Wizard... just obsessed with music I guess. I suppose I could decide to grow up and start wearing nice preppy shirts like some people I know did, na.
:dpepper

Rock on, ride on! Stay a kid forever!

Stoner rock fan, eh?

Ever groove to a little Pentagram??

Dropping names can be dangerous. Funny, I had a negative comment for my posts and figured it was from a pig with a grudge. Good stuff you posted and again, thanks...

Loco
So. Cal.


First off, I am Retired from any of the following. Some of you may not care much for this side of me but I have started 2 MC Clubs (MC Meaning "REAL" Motorcycle Clubs) both were Associates of a 1% Club (1%er Means they do not follow the beliefs of the other 99% of bikers. They are the Real "BAD BOYS" of the motorcycle world, A Brotherhood). One of the clubs that I started has become an affiliate club now, that means they are as close to being 1%ers as it gets without actually Probating for That "Real 1% Club". 1%er Clubs have a patch on the front of their vest to designate just that. I will leave the names out of this to protect everyone, dropping names can be a very dangerous thing to do.
Here is the way it is, at least in general terms. There are 1 piece patch clubs like The HOG Club. Even if the members seperate the HOG Patches, it carries NO meaning. Other 1 piece patch clubs exist with the permission of the ruling 1% Club, it will normally be a logo and club name on the same patch centered on the back of a vest normally.These both are a breakfast clubs period and many 1%ers are also members of HOG for the benefits. The HOG Club is of no threat to 1%ers and they go about their own way unless a HOG Member tries to put a 1%er down. Bad Move. 2 Piece Patch Clubs with no MC (Back Center Patch is the Club Logo, Top Rocker is the Clubs Name), are goverened by the ruling 1% club in the area. They are of little consequence and are generally considered supporters of the areas 1% club. 2 Piece Patch Club with MC (The MC signify's the clubs first step into the "Big League"). These are normally clubs that have proven their Support and Loyalty for the areas 1% club over time and the ability to stand somewhat on their own. They have gained a moderate level of respect from the 1%ers. The next step is to add a bottom rocker with stated territory (This goes 1 step closer to the Big Boys). These clubs are highly respected by the 1%ers in the local area and have proven themselves well. Associates wear a 1% Clubs "Support Patch" on the outside of their vest (Support Your Local XXXXXXX). This can be with any combination of Back Patches listed above, It's just another level of respect. Affiliate patches are not given lightly. The clubs who wear these are treated like true brothers of the areas 1% Club and the same at All friendly 1% Clubhouses Worldwide. A note to the wise: Starting a patch club (Putting a Non Generic Patch in the Back Center of your vest or jacket) without having the local 1% Club involved would be "VERY POOR JUDGEMENT" on your part to say the least. Support patches for a 1% Club, ASK THEM WHERE TO PUT IT.... and it better be for the right 1% Club (Club Respected Individuals Like Us Can Wear These Too). Memory patches for friends "Brothers and Sisters Lost" Normally go at the bottom of the back of vests and jackets but I have seen some clubs wear them on the front (We can do these too). Oh, you may see a CM patch on the back of an MC Club Members Vest, this is a designation of a Charter Member, a Club Founder/Original Member.
I have sewn thousands of patches on jackets and vests for ALL of the above type clubs, so I have a real idea what I am saying.
So much for a brief lesson in MC Patches.

Now for us, The True 99%ers:

These guys (1%ers) aren't in anyway stupid, in fact they generally are good people who when consider your friend can be counted on when you need them. Unlike many other people in the world. They know that if the patch you have in the middle of your back has a logo with US Air Force, USMC, US Army, US Navy, Harley Davidson, Chevy, Ford, so on and it is just a patch with no rockers above or below they aren't going to give you any grief unless they are just looking for trouble, Or You Are. "Generic Over The Counter Patches" are fine in the middle of your back on a Vest or a Jacket.
The front of your vest or jacket. Your countries flag goes somewhere near your heart (on the left). Lessor importance flags go opposite on the right side. Other patches (your name, Statement patches "XL Forum" etc, pins, what ever, normally small to medium in size go on the front pretty much anywhere you choose.
DO NOT PUT YOUR XL FORUM PATCH IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BACK, IT SIGNIFIES A CLUB OR ORGANIZATION, THIS WOULD BE A WRONG MOVE ON YOUR PART and WOULD BE OPEN TO INTERPRETATION BY THE PERSON VIEWING IT. It could have serious consequences to you. I have no idea how big the XL Forum patch is yet, but it's best to put it very low if you have to put it on the back. On the front it's a statement patch and can go most anywhere.

And to think the only reason I came to this posting area was to write Bert to become a supporting member and get an XL Forum Patch.:tour

stargateops / Club Given Name: Grumpy / Dave

PS: FYI: I was given my nickname (Not My Screen name) Grumpy officially by a 1%er Presidents Father in 1994, Crusher

Got a few patches on my denim vest: On the back center, my club colors. Right above that, a reflective HD patch, below my club patch is an American flag patch, and on the side that sez I have one that sez "I woke up this morning sticky, broke, and confused" Don't have my club patch on my jacket, in case we go into a bar that doesn't allow colors, I can take the vest off and wear it under the jacket. When I go on rides to different places, I always like to get a pin to comemorate the ride. I don't sport the HOG patch, though.

Was out with the club this past summer at bike night when a couple 1%ers came up and asked us what we're all about. They were totally respectful and saw that we were not out after their turf, and pretty much just BS'ed with us for the rest of the night. Seemed like halfway decent dudes to me. One was a prospect, which put me on my guard at first, ya never know he might have something to prove. Turned out they just wanted to see what we were all about.

Loco,
Thought you did great with your posts, this is a very serious subject. More than most here will ever know, HOPEFULLY. I just wanted to put everything I could think of in one place. I know that I re-stated some of what you and others brought up but I have added some too and tried to sum things up.
I went back and re-read the whole thread to see how much I missed the first time through. I agree that this need be the only thread of it's kind but it should go into an area set aside for important ones. So that future NewBee's can be educated. From reading this Twice I see that there are a few people who don't appreciate that this thread may well save them bodily harm or even worse. Patches to those who legitimately wear them are Sacred. People Die over Club Patches also called "COLORS" every day 24/7/365.
I want to add some more on the "One Piece Patch", I have taken down wannabee's who thought they could just make up a patch, sew it on and Poof, be a club without going through the proper channels. One such club appeared locally, out of nowhere with dozens of members. A handfull of my clubs members dealt with them. We were not nice about taking their patches, in fact we took their Rags too. We burned em. NOTE: Rag is a club members vest, lose it and you don't exist anymore. I will say this, if our local 1%ers had taken their patches they may not have had a second chance to be stupid in the future.
Generic patches on your back, OK. Anything that looks like a club patch but isn't, be my guest but be willing to pay the price.
I saw something about 1% T-Shirts, Support Your Local XXXXXX. This isn't confined to 1% Clubs selling them. Most sanctioned clubs sell them to finance the clubs endevours. It's fine to buy one of these and wear it, just be sure you don't wear it into a rival clubs territory, or :censor someone off in the club you bought it from. At the very least you won't leave with your T-Shirt and you can take that to the bank. Ditto for Support Patches.
That is all I will ever say on the subject, this post has covered everything. If you have questions, contact me E-Mail. I will be happy to help you there, not here
stargateops/Grumpy in Florida

Stargateops,

What about a group like the Silent Skulls Lone Bikers? They are an old group started in 1965 according to their web site, but they are not a club in the traditional sense. They have a single back patch, and no locality as they don't have chapters. They are serious motorcycle riders, but I imagine they have some posers masquerading as members since they don't really prospect. Originally it was by invite, now if you identify with their philosophy you pay your life time membership fee and you get your membership kit....

Would these guys be in for any trouble with the 1% or affiliates do you think?

[QUOTE=Loco] And the Hells Angels and others are not gangs they are Motorcycle Clubs. Motorcycle enthusiasts that take biking and brotherhood to heart.

Let me say I know NOTHING about patches, gangs or otherwise. But this all sounds like a a bunch of "boys" who never outgrew their "my clubhouse, your clubhouse" mentality. I know, I know - they have their reasons, blah blah. But it literally makes me laugh to read some of this stuff. Maybe it's my New England upbringing; I can't appreciate all the bad boys in So Cal !

[QUOTE=Loco] And the Hells Angels and others are not gangs they are Motorcycle Clubs. Motorcycle enthusiasts that take biking and brotherhood to heart.

Let me say I know NOTHING about patches, gangs or otherwise. But this all sounds like a a bunch of "boys" who never outgrew their "my clubhouse, your clubhouse" mentality. I know, I know - they have their reasons, blah blah. But it literally makes me laugh to read some of this stuff. Maybe it's my New England upbringing; I can't appreciate all the bad boys in So Cal !

Maybe another way of looking at it is that patches/colors are revered as much as others revere the American flag. It may seem like silly symbolism, but it's very hard-earned, respected, and not to be denigrated. Kind of like see someone wearing an armed services uniform that wasn't in the service and posing as a member - he/she didn't earn the right to wear it and would understandably have people upset and would catch some major :censor . In any event, it's good to be aware of and avoid unnecessary trouble through ignorance - props to Loco, stargateops and others for the "edumacation"... "If you didn't earn it, don't wear it."

I'm thinkin' here that your comparison of giving a military person respect for their service and sacrifice is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. Just MHO. This is a serious question - how does someone "earn" the right to wear a patch? What do they have to do?

Denise

I'm thinkin' here that your comparison of giving a military person respect for their service and sacrifice is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. Just MHO. This is a serious question - how does someone "earn" the right to wear a patch? What do they have to do?

Denise

It's an analogy to show how seriously this is taken by those who do so - and to help those "not in the know" to understand what it feels like to the 1%-ers. And it is SERIOUS to them, even as it may not be to others. As to earning the "right" to wear colors, it's very much earned - a secret, elaborate process, and in the past sometimes violently earned - but earned nonetheless.

I'm glad this topic was here. I'm new to the motorcycle world. I just bought my first motorcycle(05 1200R) while on leave from Iraq.

So what I've gathered, military patches are fine on the bike. Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere in this post. I'm definitely going to buy me a vest/jacket sometime. I want to put patches that mean something to me. For example, the time I served in the Corps, the American flag, POW/MIA, and a patch that describes the time I'm spending in Iraq.

Who knows, I might even decide to join a club sometime. But for now, the three questions I have now are:

1) Would the patch below offend/disrespect any club or group?
Any/all would be about combat experience

2) Are the pieces on top and below of the patch considered rockers?

3) Does anyone know where I can get a patch like this made in the states?

The picture is pretty bad cause I was using a shitty camera.

I did a search and found this thread.
Very educational and definitely makes me think three times about wearing my Silent Skull patch anywhere in the M/C den of snakes known as Southern California...
Anyway, maybe some of you are aware of the band Black Label Society. Ozzy's guitarist is the main dude and their merch is designed like a 1%er club. Their roadies wear colors and everything. Good marketing except... don't these guys get in trouble with real 1%ers? I've seen guys wearing the patches at shows but didn't think much of it until I got an email about a custom shop that co-sponsoring a charity run with the "New York Chapter" of the Black Label Society. WTF?!?! So... when did they become an actual motorcycle club?

Conventional Wisdom Regarding Motorcycle Club Patches


The term colors is used when referring to a motorcycle club's patch. They are typically identified by two rockers and a center patch. The rockers are usually curved bars with the top bar designating the club name and the lower bar designating the location of the club. The two rockers are separate from the middle, larger graphic center patch, hence the term three-piece patch. Motorcycle clubs differ from riding clubs or other types of motorcycle organizations as they traditionally have “prospecting” time (a probationary training period) required before the club members decide to accept the individual into the group and that the individual fits in with the group (the "fit" needs to be both ways) and allow him to wear or “fly” the colors of the group. Most club colors will also have MC printed on the rocker or as an additional small, rectangular patch, sometimes referred to as a "cube" to further distinguish it as a motorcycle club rather than another type of organization.

• A one-piece patch can signify many different types of clubs. These clubs can be MC and have the MC on the patch itself, or a family club, riding club, AMA-sanctioned motorcycle club or political action/biker rights organization. Some require little more than filling out an application (which is actually a release of liability), agreeing to comply with a standard of behavior and mailing a check for a patch or T-shirt (ex. Southern Cruisers Riding Club, Patriot Guard Riders).

• A two-piece patch may identify a motorcycle club in transition, awaiting approval from the dominant club(s) to become a three-piece patch. These clubs are sometimes, not always, in the process of becoming an associate or support club. Some autonomous clubs will wear a two-piece patch as a matter of choice (ex. California Military Veterans MC).

• A three-piece patch signifies that the club is an "outlaw club" by definition but not necessarily a 1% club and not necessarily territorial. With very few exceptions, the club has been approved by the dominant club in the state or other distinct territory (AO or "area of operation") and has earned the right to fly their colors by following protocol and earning respect. Or, they are the dominant club in the area. It is in the best interest of everyone who rides to know and understand the difference.

The hierarchy and traditions in the MC community are not without purpose. They are valuable for maintaining order and avoiding trouble.

Three-Piece Patches (the historical perspective)

The American Motorcycle Association (AMA) was founded in 1924 by motorcycle manufacturers to promote motorcycle riding in America. Their goal was to sell motorcycles. In order to do so, it was necessary to give them legitimacy as both a mode of transportation and recreational activity. They cooked up classifications and rules, staged events and, essentially, invented a sport. They sanctioned groups of riders from the same area that rode together as motorcycle clubs. At events, the AMA gave awards for the best-dressed club so groups began wearing matching outfits with the name and graphic emblem for their motorcycle club stitched on the back of shirts and jackets. The origin of the motorcycle club patch was as dull and unobjectionable as a bowling shirt.

During a Fourth of July event in 1947 in Hollister, CA members of the Booze Fighters MC and Pissed Off Bastards of Bloomington (POBOBs ... who would become Hell's Angels MC in San Bernardino the following year) made front-page headlines with a sensational news story about drunken lawlessness and the takeover of a sleepy Central California town by rowdy motorcyclists. The AMA published an article shortly after the episode denouncing the offensive bikers stating, “99% of all of their members are law-abiding citizens and only 1% are outlaws”. Thus began what are today referred to as outlaw motorcycle clubs and "one percenters." These clubs were not sanctioned by the AMA and were banned from attending AMA events. Which was, apparently, cool with the bikers. The titles of "outlaw" and "one percenter" were embraced and worn as a badge of honor.

In order to designate themselves as an outlaw club, they defiantly cut their AMA club jackets or shirts into three separate pieces, as described previously, and sewed them on the back of leather jackets or vests fashioned by cutting the sleeves off a denim work jacket. Thus the origin of the "cut", the term used today when referring to a biker's vest regardless of whether it is denim or leather. Outlaw motorcycle clubs organized their own events, held races and hill climbs without safety rules or classifications, threw parties and did the exact opposite of what the AMA had done for nearly twenty-five years: There were no Best Dressed awards. The goal was speed. The trophy was life on the edge. They modified ("chopped") down their bikes leaner and meaner, to go faster and look different, tossed the mufflers, guzzled beer, and demonstrated "wild" behavior which, with the help of a willing press and Hollywood character studies, created the cultural icon of the rebellious outlaw biker.

A fictionalized version of the Hollister "raid" later became the story line for a movie titled "The Wild One" starring Marlon Brando as leader of the fictional Black Rebels Motorcycle Club and Lee Marvin as leader of The Beetles. Brando's character helped build the Hollywood template for tragic, malcontented youths (Mildred: What are you rebelling against, Johnny? Johnny: Whaddya got?), Marvin's character, Chino, was based upon the Booze Fighters MC's infamous Wino Willie. And so it went. More movies, more headlines, more pulp fiction, more bikers, more fear.

The Process (condensed version)

The three-piece patch is awarded in three parts as a prospective member earns the privilege to wear the full patch. A "hangaround" is someone who is eligible for membership and has been invited to attend club events and runs, but wears no part of the patch. If he is sponsored by a full member and approved by the club members he may wear the bottom rocker and is considered a “prospect” or "probate". If he successfully completes the training period and is approved by 100% of the members, he is allowed to have the top rocker and the "center patch" or club insignia. His colors are then complete and he is considered to be a full member or "patch holder." The traditional, or "old school," three-piece patch MC is one that adheres to established protocols, traditions and a code of conduct.

The gray area gets wider (and weirder)

A dramatic increase in the number of recreational motorcyclists in recent years has clouded the issue of what differentiates a motorcycle club from a riding club. Some military or veteran's motorcycle clubs (referring to themselves as either MC or VMC) are actually AMA-sanctioned, non-outlaw clubs, wearing colors while not engaging in the established MC tradition of prospecting. These clubs may simply require evidence of prior or current military service (some are specific to a branch of the military or a particular time/place served) and ownership of a motorcycle for membership. While the wisdom of this practice in the larger context of the MC community could certainly be questioned, they do provide a pleasurable group riding experience for many individuals and couples, and often accomplish many patriotic and charitable objectives.

Territorial motorcycle clubs aren't under any obligation to keep up with which clubs prospect their members, thereby educating them in established customs and courtesies, and which clubs don't. All too often, they find out when a patch holder violates a point of protocol (eg. "steps on his dick") and creates a situation impacting the entire club or chapter's ability to ride free. The function of looking after veterans' MCs and RCs and making sure that they are properly schooled may be delegated to one particular military/veteran MC in the area. This is at the discretion of the dominant MC and is sometimes determined by the size or seniority of the club in relation to the other military/veteran clubs in the area. More often than not, this dubious distinction is earned by actions; a demonstrated commitment to MC customs, courtesies and protocol; and a history of taking care of business which, at times, can be unpleasant. This role among military/veteran clubs sometimes provides a hard reality and is often viewed with mixed feelings.

Law enforcement motorcycle clubs (LEMC) often DO engage in the practice of prospecting, providing them with the knowledge and understanding of protocol necessary to become functioning entities (and, occasionally, intelligence gatherers) in the MC community. They pretty much do their own thing while maintaining a code of ethics consistent with their profession. Strangely enough, LEMCs seem to experience considerably more rejection from individuals among their own ranks than from other bikers. It's as though bikers know that they're cops, but other cops don't know that they're not bikers. Go figure.

Several organizations have designed (or re-designed) their colors so that the rockers are joined with their center patch to create the appearance of a one-piece patch (ex. H.O.G, Warrior Brotherhood VMC). Some veterans advocacy groups wear colors and ride motorcycles (or not) yet they are quick to point out in their statement of purpose or website that they are not a motorcycle club (ex. Rolling Thunder, American Legion Riders). These groups, more often than not, earn respect by showing respect and often function well in the greater community context. Occasionally, a riding club or military/veterans motorcycle club will claim that they are not an MC, and then behave otherwise. This typically results in the aforementioned unpleasantness.

Health Tip: Do not presume that since you paid $150 for the design on the back of your vest that you are entitled to wear it any old time and any old place that pleases you. The privilege of flying club colors is known to have been revoked for an entire organization due to the actions of a careless or arrogant individual. In certain cases, he was in the company of friends with names like Jack Daniels and Jim Beam at the time of the indiscretion. No excuse. When you wear a patch, you are representing the whole club. Even if you are not wearing your patch at the time of an indiscretion, but are known to be a part of a club, your actions will reflect on the club.


The Diamond Patch

The diamond patch with "1%" worn on the front of a "cut" (vest) with the three-piece back patch signifies the club is either a 1% or 1% support club. They may not be the dominant club in the area but will almost certainly be sanctioned by the local dominant. There have been situations where the dominant is not a 1% club but those are rare indeed. The number "13" is also sometimes worn in a diamond patch. It is alleged to represent the thirteenth letter of the alphabet, "M" which stands for marijuana. Or maybe it's just a cool number.

Rightly or wrongly, law enforcement organizations (LEO) regard the diamond patch as an outward, visible indicator of criminal activity within the motorcycle riding community. More often than not, LEOs lump all three-piece patch motorcycle clubs together with faulty generalizations. While the best propaganda usually contains some element of truth, the distortions are often so outrageous that if they weren't oriented toward spreading fear, they would be comical.

Nomad Rocker
Some MC members have earned the right to wear a "NOMAD" bottom rocker. This is only when that member maintains a lifestyle within the common definition of the word nomad.
(no·mad) A member of a group of people who have no fixed home and move according to the seasons from place to place in search of food, water, and grazing land. A person with no fixed residence who roams about; a wanderer. It is a valued distinction of lifestyle that only a few can truly live up to, and as such, causes unfavorable notice when seen used by those most obviously not living up to the common meaning. By definition a "NOMAD", more often than not, will be traveling alone and needs an ability to represent, maintain & otherwise survive under circumstances unusual from the norm.



Summary

A little common sense goes a long way in the motorcycle club community. Be honest with yourself and others. If you are not prepared to fully accept the responsibility of wearing an MC patch, explore other alternatives for a group riding experience.

Being a motorcycle enthusiast or having prior military service does not, in itself, prepare an individual for wearing a three-piece patch. The trial and error method of learning MC customs and protocol is not recommended. Absolutely everyone prospects to earn a VNVMC/LVMC patch. No exceptions.
Consider very carefully any ideas that you and your pals might have about starting a motorcycle club. In all probability, a group already exists that would suit your style and the important work has already been done. Please, for God's sake, do NOT buy fake rockers or a diamond patch on eBay or at the flea market and sport 'em around town. It's just not worth it.
Questions that could be interpreted as intelligence gathering will not be well received ("So, how many guys are in your chapter?" isn't a good question under any circumstances. "Hey. Does that '13' on your vest mean that you guys smoke pot?" probably isn't a good one either). Never, ever interrupt patch holders while they are conversing with one another and stand at a respectable distance while waiting to be acknowledged. You may be surprised at how much some basic courtesy is appreciated.
MC members understand the meaning and importance of respect. They demand it for themselves and their club brothers, they provide it to patch holders outside of their own club until given a reason to do otherwise. Regardless of what's on your back, or how you got it, it is of the utmost importance to show an appropriate degree of respect to those who earned their colors in the old school tradition.



The above was used from another site.

Very Good Summary, I Must Say !!!


Great Job to Whomever wrote it...

Very Good Summary, I Must Say !!!


Great Job to Whomever wrote it...

Patch Adams

I kinda found my answer in the locked 1%er threat (great reading!:laugh). Thanks for the extensive info, though.
BTW, there were tons of Booze Fighters members at the show some of us went to a few weeks back. Who knew that The bad Terminator from T2 was a member?!?!

I am a full member of H.O.G but don't belong to a certain chapter,
I also have the patch they give you. (I never put it on my vest) I would like to know where people get the big H.O.G "back patch"? Thanks...

Hello!

I`m going to make my own back patch like this.

A copi of my gastank :):)

Sorry, but I think the whole "patch" thing is silly. WooHoo.."look at me" I got patches....I don't need to be a walking bill board. I know who "I" am, and I don't have to remind myself, and could give a rats ass about what others may think of me. There, I'm done, stick a fork in me.:laugh

as long as you don't adopt some kind of 3 piece patch on your back (center patch, top and bottom rocker), and avoid territorial patches, the likelyhood of an MC even taking notice of you is remote. Even then, it's more likely that they will tell you what you are doing wrong before taking offense. There's always wildcards, but those guys don't really need an excuse anyway.

I just make this vest/patch thing for fun, Stylish to the bike. :laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh

And the patch has nothing to do with a mc/rc Club.

Its just a pic/embroiding of my paintbrushed gastank,
And I have Sportster with a turbo, And therefor this patch!
I think is stylish, but thats me...So maybe I get it made..:):)
http://www.xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14033&d=1202554190

As far as the patch issue goes... (not mentioning any names of members or clubs)
Even though I was, for a short time, a member of a MCC, we weren't considered a 'backpatch club'. More of a social club that did charity event runs etc... We had a member that is an ex member of a so called backpatch MC of over 20 years. A very well known, depending on in which circles you associate and where in the world you live, MC. He informed our members of the bounds as to what was acceptable or not, or not to be worn, done or shown.
Over here in the U.K., there is mainly one MC that is known all over. Those of them I have met over the years are welcoming, friendly and not slow to let you know if you are over-stepping or getting close to the line. Firm but friendly.
I don't really think it matters if the patch you have on the back of your Levi denim jacket is a H-D Bar-n-Shield or if it is a well known brand of something or other, it can't and won't be mistaken for a backpatch club color. Therefore causing you to get rattled for displaying it. Those that wear the above such as a H-D Bar-n-Shield are just showing support for the MoCo and their preference of their ride. You never hear of Triumph or Yamaha patch wearing people getting thumped for it.

I love when useless threads from years ago get revived. The same argument gets rehashed over and over. Sportster is not a Club and Turbo is not territory. I'm voting for Mondale or maybe Regan. How old is this thread?

I love when useless threads from years ago get revived. The same argument gets rehashed over and over. Sportster is not a Club and Turbo is not territory. I'm voting for Mondale or maybe Regan. How old is this thread?



Beat me to it...:laugh

I love when useless threads from years ago get revived. The same argument gets rehashed over and over. Sportster is not a Club and Turbo is not territory. I'm voting for Mondale or maybe Regan. How old is this thread?

From 2005 I think :smiliesig

What about wearing a big American flag patch on the back of my leather vest? Is that considered neutral patch & cool?

What about wearing a big American flag patch on the back of my leather vest? Is that considered neutral patch & cool?

Even here in the U.K., I see many American Flags being proudly displayed on jackets, tents at rallies, flags flown on H-Ds etc... I don't think they're all Americans as I am, (not saying I'm an All-American) :wonderlan American by birth is what I mean. I think it is a show of reverence to the American H-D way. After all, Harley and Davidson were descendants of Scottish and English immigrants.

:bagpipe

Oohh say can you see... :sporty:

:us: :flag_kent :us:

Funny...I'd though about it before, but never with any particular organization of thought. But the parallels between high school letterjackets and motorcycle vests/jackets are rather fascinating, especially in light of the conversation that has gone on throughout this thread--e.g., if you earned the patch, commemorating something, marking your territory, etc. Just a thought. Not a jab or anything.

Is There Anyone Out There Who Can Close A Thread? This One Please.

Is There Anyone Out There Who Can Close A Thread? This One Please.

Uhm...why? It's actually a very informative thread, as many that get dredged up from years past tend to be.

Everything That Needs To Be Stated And Or Read About Patches Has Been Said A Long Time Ago...just Take Some Time And Read The Entire Thread.

what if i wear a giant rainbow patch with the bottom rocker usa, that way i got every ones colors so no is offended!:geek

A Rainbow Patch With A Unicorn And Purple Triangles.

I dont have patches or tattoos, its not me. I am what you see is what you get and thats all that i am - no sailer man.

I have nothing on the back where a club patch will go. My BACA patch will go there when I earn that. Down at the bottom of the back of the vest is where I have things that I believe I have 'earned' I have my North America Map patch with my states and provinces filled in. I also have my 'in memory of' patches on the back. Only 2 of them and I hope to never add another.

what if i wear a giant rainbow patch with the bottom rocker usa, that way i got every ones colors so no is offended!:geek



Hey man, you'll be VERY popular on St. Patricks day...and Gay Pride weekend.:p

when in doubt.......don't.....
......*it's often not the older hardcore guy that's gonna get upset but watch for the noms that have to prove themselves

No offense Stevo, but I don't live in a third world country and I don't bow down to 'gangstaz' of any type. Too many good men have fought and died to protect your rights and mine for me to not stand up for myself and others.

I respect your right to organize and belong to something 'greater than yourself', but I expect the same respect from you. I am not 'patched' because I choose not to be, not because I am not 'worthy' in someone elses eyes, and you can object if I wear your patches (and I expect that), but you have absolutely no right to object to me wearing my own (although I choose not to wear any)

No anomosity here, but I am willing to stand up (again) for my right, and the right of others (including yours), to be respected as well.

* It's the same with the 15 yr old crackhead gangsta with a SNS. The young ones haven't learned how to earn respect or accept it without hiding behind intimidation, and it is the duty of their superiors to educate them.
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No offense Stevo, but I don't live in a third world country and I don't bow down to 'gangstaz' of any type. Too many good men have fought and died to protect your rights and mine for me to not stand up for myself and others.

I respect your right to organize and belong to something 'greater than yourself', but I expect the same respect from you. I am not 'patched' because I choose not to be not because I am not 'worthy' in your eyes, and you can object if I wear your patches (and I expect that), but you have absolutely no right to object to me wearing my own (although I choose not to wear any).

No anomosity here, I'm just willing to stand up (again) for my rights, and the rights of others, to be respected as well.

* It's the same with the 15 yr old crackhead gangsta with a SNS. The young ones haven't learned how to earn respect or accept it without hiding behind intimidation, and it is the duty of their superiors to educate them.
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Whew! FLAME OFF, BRO!

It's a two and a half year old thread, and what you're responding to happened that long ago....:doh


;)

Whew! FLAME OFF, BRO!

It's a two and a half year old thread, and what you're responding to happened that long ago....:doh

;)

Sorry man, I didn't see this part of discussion was history. :D

I have no interest in stirring things up again, but I stand by my words.
No one in this country should be allowed to demand a right that they are not willing to grant to others. Period.

Sorry man, I didn't see this part of discussion was history. :D

I have no interest in stirring things up again, but I stand by my words.
No one in this country should be allowed to demand a right that they are not willing to grant to others. Period.



I agree with you, and I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you to defend that philosophy. :)

...but I'm also not gonna deliberately walk into a biker bar wearing a 1% patch or anything that I know is gonna stir up trouble. :smoke Some kids these days are stupid, and I don't wanna kill one if I don't have to.;)



Anyway, I just signed up for another year on the XLF.....does that mean I get another patch? :laugh:laugh:laugh

Have they changed since last year?:geek

I agree with you, and I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you to defend that philosophy. :)

...but I'm also not gonna deliberately walk into a biker bar wearing a 1% patch or anything that I know is gonna stir up trouble. :smoke Some kids these days are stupid, and I don't wanna kill one if I don't have to.;)



Anyway, I just signed up for another year on the XLF.....does that mean I get another patch? :laugh:laugh:laugh

Have they changed since last year?:geek

I guess I get a little passionate these days about our personal freedoms because I truely feel that they are once again under fire. Thank you again for pointing out my oversight.:doh

And congrats on re-enlisting. :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

I guess I get a little passionate these days about our personal freedoms because I truely feel that they are once again under fire. Thank you again for pointing out my oversight.:doh

And congrats on re-enlisting. :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap



I agree that our personal freedoms are under fire, and being slowly stripped away....by our current government....:frownthre


Sorry guys. I'm not trying to get the thread moved, but if I keep this up, it will be pretty soon...LOL

Sometime discretion is the better part of valor.

They have been saying that since 1477 and still holds true today...

KongBastard

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but what gives any club the right to exclude others from forming a similar club in the same area?

And, why would anyone want to join a group that holds that belief?

Am I naive to think that this is a free country?

:chtwo

John

well who cares if this is an old thread because we have a lot of new members, plus you never know maybe this thread just saved some newbs life by reading it, but i do know one thing stealthhammer has one the baddest assiest bikes i have seen in a while. put that on a patch!

I got a really stupid quesion after reading all these posts.

I belong to a Law Enforcement Motorcycle Club. I am a Sheriffs Office employee .

There are City , County , Fire , EMTS and Military Guys and State level Guys in it . We also have several Associates that are Civvies in it .

We just enjoy riding our bikes and we do fund raisers to help local charities and things like the American Cancer society .

We do have a solid one piece back patch . it has our club name with M.C. right below that at top , a St. Michael ( Saint of Law Enforcement officers ) logo and then our State on the bottom . It is a one piece patch.

We have some clubs in our area that ride through the GG's , Midwest Drifters, Outlaws etc, Kinsmen etc.

We have visited face to face with a Rider from a local group called Kinsmen and we got along OK with them or so it seemed . He seemed like good old down to earth boy .

We dont go out of our way to pick on Bikers here because frankly they seem to self Police their people better than the rest of our population here .

We are not like wanting any trouble while riding but I always wondered what the Real Deal Clubs thought of the Cop Clubs .

And how would Cops really approach and ask the Outlaw groups for permission to fly our , for lack of a better word Riding Club colors . You know that would go over like turd in a punchbowl . The Outlaw Group not liking the Cops and the Cops saying like we are really going to Ask permission . I could easily see the Cops saying that

This is I feel a valid concern that I need input on .

Just looking for advice on this issue . I actually have two vests one Club vest with of course my Dept patch which I have been with 18 years and after surviving guns , knives and Cars feel I earned . I have my American flag Number 1 in honor of my childhood hero Evel Knevel and I am also very Patriotic , I wear a 99%er patch , a number 7 because I was of the original 7 who started our Club ,, a Biohazard patch ( dont even ask ) , and my nickname and Sgt. A arms patch . I have my old Hat Badge Star that my first Sheriff gave me , he died last year so I wear it in his memory . He was a good Sheriff who put Citizens rights first , maybe thats where I learned it from .
I am trying to get some R.I.P. patches made to put on for my best freind who died of Cancer last year .

My normal vest I ride in is blank with only my Texas Ranger style conchos on the pocket which I also adorned my saddlebags and tool bags with .

I study the outlaw Biker groups because they fascinate me with the Brotherhood and the way they handle things the old west way which in my opinion cuts down on a lot of BS that go's on today . To me the Biker is the modern day versions of Cowboys. I just finished the book "Under and alone "
( great book I thought ) and can fully understand when the Cop who wrote it stated that his Bro's in the Club were better Freinds to him than the Cops he worked with for years .

There was a time whem all I wanted to do was be a Cop and now after all these years I wonder why because sometimes it dosent really matter what you do it all go's to crap anyway. I have seen about one to many Child-Baby rapers go free because a Lawyergot them off or got them a deal and the PA didnt want to mess with it o spend " Vauable Tax Payer Dollars " to go to trial .

Like I said I am looking for answers to this patch issue as it others me alot more than it doe's my fellow riders .

Has anyone has heard of any Cop oriented riding groups having problems .

We just sort of believe that since we dont claim territory for doing business the same way the Outlaw groups do that we dont represent a threat to them by riding . And that they probably dont want to stir up things by attacking what they would know was a cop group . I mean we arent stupid and go to like Biker Bars or anything like that as we believe they have their established areas and we know where ours are ( go ahead Guys Insert Donut shop Joke here ) .

Myself I aint the normal Cop becuse I dont think I am a God , I believe in and uphold Peoples rights and I remember its my Job to enforce those rights even if it means I lose a case . Its when Cops forget that , that you have Bad Cops .

I have almost dropped out of my Biker Club because I enjoy riding and its becoming a Job more than a riding club to do all these functions . Then the People that plan a work day dont show up . I am thinking seriously of once again going the Lone Wolf route.

Plus I like old school bikes and Sporties and my bunch have gravitated to the Road Kings and the bigger easier riding geezermobiles .

I figure I will be picked on over this but I need answers.

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but what gives any club the right to exclude others from forming a similar club in the same area?

And, why would anyone want to join a group that holds that belief?

Am I naive to think that this is a free country?

:chtwo

John

There is no "right" it is unofficial.

They are talking about 1% "outlaw" style of gangs not HOG or BRAG or other "riding" clubs having some unofficial jurisdiction. In my neck of the woods the dominant club is the Hells Angels. They will not cause you any issues unless they feel that you are intruding on their business & territory OR showing disrespect (their opinion - not yours) to them.

Wearing certain styles of patches on your back (3 piece patch) certain colors (red & white for the HA) or derivatives of their patch (a winged skull for the HA) may cause them to feel threatened or disrespected.

Why do they join a group like that? Who knows, power, protection, connections, etc.

Is it a free country? - sure. However, in certain situations, places, etc. doing or saying things that are totally legal may get you in trouble. How severe depends on the situation...cheering for the Giants at a Patriots game may get you trash talked, telling a drug dealer on the street corner he's scum may get you beaten up, wearing a Crips color on a Bloods street could get you shot, etc.


Just the way the world is, and has been for 1000's of years.

KongBastard

By the way Stealth hammer , Cool looking Bike .

I got a really stupid quesion after reading all these posts.

I belong to a Law Enforcement Motorcycle Club. I am a Sheriffs Office employee .

We do have a solid one piece back patch . it has our club name with M.C. right below that at top , a St. Michael ( Saint of Law Enforcement officers ) logo and then our State on the bottom . It is a one piece patch.
We are not like wanting any trouble while riding but I always wondered what the Real Deal Clubs thought of the Cop Clubs .

And how would Cops really approach and ask the Outlaw groups for permission to fly our , for lack of a better word Riding Club colors .

Good question. The simple answer is that the work has already been done for you. Police (Vets, Fireman, etc.) riding clubs (some even have a 3 piece patch) have informal agreements that started a long time ago. You can do some Internet searches about the Wild Pigs (Law Enforcement) and some of their issues on both sides of the law. The fact that you are wearing a one piece patch shows that somebody thought about it.

If a well-known (to the police and the outlaws) riding club like yours had a 3 piece patch it would probably not cause any issues but if you decided to start a riding club with a few of your police friends and designed a 3 piece patch that mimic'd the Hells Angels patch I am pretty sure if you lived or rode through their territory that you would get a visitor from the club to talk to you.

They would want to make sure that you are a riding club, not a policeman that happened to be in an outlaw gang.

Outlaw bike gang members generally dislike the police but do have a certain level of respect for some individual officers. Wearing a one piece patch is in effect showing them respect (by not directly challenging them).

These are all my opinions only.

KongBastard

well who cares if this is an old thread because we have a lot of new members, plus you never know maybe this thread just saved some newbs life by reading it, but i do know one thing stealthhammer has one the baddest assiest bikes i have seen in a while. put that on a patch!

Thank you Joe! It was built as a tribute to the WWII Vets who put raising a family, and providing us all with a better world to live in, ahead of their own personal dreams of adventure. Their sense of honor and duty, and the spirit of freedom that they passed on to their childern, is what 'drove' the build. I was just their hands and eyes.

well who cares if this is an old thread because we have a lot of new members, plus you never know maybe this thread just saved some newbs life by reading it, but i do know one thing stealthhammer has one the baddest assiest bikes i have seen in a while. put that on a patch!



I can't disagree with anything you've said, braugh! :D


....and that is a badass f'n bike, dude!:clap

Thanks, Kongbastard.

That is perhaps the most concise, sensible post I've seen in this whole thread.

:smoke

Thanks H.R.

I know this is an old thread as well but it seems to be a question that comes up often so I thought I would throw my 2 cents in.

Around here, if you are into bikes, you will run into club guys. It's a good idea to know a little.

KongBastard

Thanks H.R.

I know this is an old thread as well but it seems to be a question that comes up often so I thought I would throw my 2 cents in.

Around here, if you are into bikes, you will run into club guys. It's a good idea to know a little.

KongBastard



I agree. I'm an independent member of the Confederation of Clubs here in Texas. I just like that they support and lobby for motorcyclists rights, so I support 'em. I've been around a whole passel of patch holders. They're really cool toward me.... never had a problem. I just know probaby eough to keep from pissin' anyone off...:shhhh

Stealthammer here is your patch:smiliesig

This post by me is in line with my last in this thread; although this doesn't have much to do with the patch issue...

As far as the HAMC are concerned, I'm sure many will know the history behind the formation of the HA club, but do those who put the name around so much like they were part of it, REALLY know? I do! I have a great uncle that was part of The *** ** *********** ***** ground support recon unit attached to them a few years after the original HAMC was started. (mostly gave the answer away haven't I?) I have one of his original patches from his military uniform and have thought of wearing it proudly to honor him but have decided against it as I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT! He's still living and was a biker himself. Very old now.

While living in Charleston S.C., I worked at a car service center and befriended a member of HAMC that brought his hi-rise 4wd El Camino for servicing. His MC name is a color. One of the most upstanding people I have ever met!
Ththth that's all folks...

Sportster1200 appreciate the feedback .

I know the original organizers of the club I am in did some homework on the issue but then I started hearing that we might have problems because of the MC on the patch . so I didnt know .

our patch is a one piece black with gold border , St. Michael in the center and the club name above but inside the entire border and the state name on bottom .

You know we dont go out of our way to mess with Bikers around here . And we dont try to pick fights either . Most that I meet give me a thumbs up or the two fingered wave that all bike riders give each other . I personally have never had any trouble with them .

But I always wondered how they felt about Law Officers clubs .

I know the club I am in used to belong to another club that started behaving as poorly as the People in the Real clubs and almost to the point , well hell they were beyond the point of breaking laws as they were riding after drinking or getting drunk then going back tio work and arresting drunk drivers , talk about hypocrits . They were also starting to think about starting crap with the Biker Clubs because they were Cops after all .

The Club I am with said thats why they formed a new club was to get away from that mentality . We dont drink then go ride and then go back to work on monday and start arresting drunks . We only enjoy riding together , the fellowship and comradery we share .

The things I dont like are that they think we cant go ride alone which I do often or we are ditching our Brothers . That we need to donate money on every ride to xyz charity . I mean I know we need to help but man I work two jobs to pay for my Bike and support a Family thats rough enough .

so I have some mixed feelings right now I am struggling with .

I appreciate hearing from you Guys on the patch issue .

Interesting thread. Theoretically Chicago is Outlaws turf but I can't recall ever having seen a single one of them, and I ride all over this city and the metro area. Just spent a couple of weeks vacationing in Texas, with a lot of miles on the highway. Didn't see any Bandidos. Seems like unless you really go out of your way to find these 1%ers, or maybe attend events that draw in a lot of bikers, your chances of having a run-in are pretty near zilch.

But this is good information to have. Putting a patch on your jacket is making a statement, and if you're going to speak the language you should understand the nuances and dialects. I wear a plain leather jacket and choose to express myself in other ways.

By the way, I did see a HOG patch a few weeks ago, my first one ever. It was on the back of a middle-aged guy riding an electroglide with a couple of American flags attached to his luggage trunk. He didn't wave or even look my way, me on my Sporty with a full-faced helmet! :-)

I don't know if it is their turf out here, though I'm assuming it is, I see a lot of Vagos patches out here in the Inland Empire of So. Cal. I had heard a lot about MCs but never anything this in depth so even though some might be upset over bringing this back from the dead us Newbies appreciate it. :) I know I felt I learned a lot here and now understand the Society that is the Biker community much better than I did before reading all this.

This is a serious question - how does someone "earn" the right to wear a patch? What do they have to do?

Denise
With all due respect, this is one of them questions that would best be answered with " if you have to ask you wouldnt understand the answer", if it pertains to back patches or club colors, while some back patches can be simply bought commercially, actual MC Patches are earned through proving commitment, trustworthyness, loyalty, honor, etc, this is a very lengthy process and can take years. as for how you go about this, well thats somethign that differs among clubs and i wont go into especialy not here lol.

Edit to add: this is an excellent link with some good info for people who are new and want to educate themselves a bit http://www.rcvsmc.net/index.html

I have a large patch of my army unit on the back of my leather vest and denim cortech jacket. I added patches to other units I served in around it on the vest. On the front I have my HOG pins, a Cold War Vet patch and a pilot wing with my name patch. I am proud of my military service and I wear one of them everyday in the hopes I run across a fellow veteran who served in the same units.