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bbradley
4th January 2005, 21:54
Has anyone used this air cleaner. It looks like a nice a/c but I donít know? Does anyone have any opinions? I like the round a/c look. But I donít want to spend a lot.


New Era Air Cleaner Kit (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=35574&item=4516816699&rd=1)

Brian

RedRider
5th January 2005, 00:11
Looks pretty nice. Seems like a reasonable price if you are looking for a round filter.

barry1967
5th January 2005, 01:26
Not very big though. Can't see a lot of filter area. Don't think it would flow very well.

gamhill
5th January 2005, 03:18
Haven't used it. But I do like the brace to mount the carb with, for the price it seems like a good deal, at least you don't need to purchase a breather kit.

Trout
5th January 2005, 18:54
Looks just like a Drag Specialties "Dragtron II". It probably is one. One issue with exposed filter elements is they get soaked with water when it rains.

maddog
5th January 2005, 20:24
If it is a Dragtron 2 clone, it should be a 6 " round filter. I had one before I got the 8" Doherty Machine. It breathed just fine and I felt it pulled at least as good as the S/E.

chaserband
6th January 2005, 03:59
It sure looks like the dragtron....I think I am going to go for one....bracket and the crankcase breather is all most the price of the whole unit!!!

Turbota
6th January 2005, 04:09
I still think you need one of these:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/4EngineWithFilter.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/5EngineWithCover.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/RightA1.jpg

gronk62
6th January 2005, 04:29
G'day Ron.
That air cleaner looks great! I like the way it allows a better view of the engine and no doubt gives a little more clearance for ya knee.

I assume it's off a big twin?

Did ya have any problems fitting it or was it just a straight bolt on procedure?

Part #'s please? :)

Sorry if you've already answered these questions elsewhere.

Turbota
6th January 2005, 05:47
I just removed my 'SE' Air Cleaner from my 04 Sporty and have finished installing a Black Crinkle 98 FXSTB "Night Train" round SE air cleaner assembly.
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Parts Used:

Screaminí Eagle Air Cleaner Kit
Harley-Davidson P/N 29008-90A

Air Cleaner Cover (Black)
Harley-Davidson P/N 29548-98

Air Cleaner Center Screw
Harley-Davidson P/N 29703-00

Crankcase Breather Kit
Drag Specialties P/N 2110-0316 or Harley-Davidson P/N 29281-91T (same item)

Air Cleaner Support Brace
Drag Specialties P/N DS-289062
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Carb with the Support Brace and Crankcase Breather Kit attached:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/1MountBrace.jpg
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Side view of Support Brace and Crankcase Breather Kit:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/2Rear.jpg

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With the SE Back Plate attached:
The blue anodized AN fitting is an aircraft part (from my junk box) now used to route crankcase oil fumes to the carb inlet from the Crankcase Breather Kit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/3EngineWithoutFilter.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/6EngineSide.jpg

Just trying to be a little different! :)
Ron,

CuL8R
6th January 2005, 06:00
That air cleaner is HOT!

I love it! :clap

bbradley
6th January 2005, 14:05
I love it Ron. I just have a few questions. The round aluminum part, (the one with the blue anodized AN fitting coming out of it) is it the support brace, the screaminí eagle air cleaner kit, or did you make it? Also do you know if I can get the air cleaner cover in chrome? Once again that is a very cool air cleaner.

Brian

Turbota
6th January 2005, 14:36
Brian,

The flat round plate that the blue aluminum tube attached is the backing plate. It comes with the SE air cleaner. The support brace is the chrome part that attaches to the bolts in the head and the front of the carb to support the carb.

Rondall
7th January 2005, 01:57
Has anyone used this air cleaner. It looks like a nice a/c but I donít know? Does anyone have any opinions? I like the round a/c look. But I donít want to spend a lot.


New Era Air Cleaner Kit (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=35574&item=4516816699&rd=1)

Brian

It is a Dragtron II. Looks like a pretty good deal for the whole kit. I replaced the foam filter with a K&N 6" round 2" thick unit. Here's what it looks like on a Sporty.
http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/963DSC01058-med.JPG

http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/963DSC01049-med.JPG

bbradley
7th January 2005, 14:36
Thanks Rondall. That is a cool lookin a/c for 100 bucks.

chaserband
8th January 2005, 17:58
Well I brought one of the new era kits for $94.00 off e-bay. I figured for the crank kit and the breather and the carb mount you can't beat the price. I am still looking for another high flow breather.... but if I go with a forcewinder I won't have to buy the c/b kit or the carb bracket...and e-bay has the f/w for $170......What can I say Boyz and Toyz. The Dohrty PowerPakk is a awsome breather or the Ness Big Sucker, So many choises!!!!

chaserband
8th January 2005, 18:03
It is a Dragtron II. Looks like a pretty good deal for the whole kit. I replaced the foam filter with a K&N 6" round 2" thick unit. Here's what it looks like on a Sporty.

Where did you get the K&N filter at Rondall....looks like I need one!!!! Oh good looking scooter :smoke

Rondall
8th January 2005, 19:21
Where did you get the K&N filter at Rondall....looks like I need one!!!! Oh good looking scooter :smoke

Thanks! I work at an HD dealer and ordered the part from Drag Specialties. Their part number for the A/C element is DS-289057.

chaserband
10th January 2005, 03:10
Rondalll how did you run your crankcase breather hose?

Rondall
10th January 2005, 05:25
Right now I have the breather nipples on the banjo's turned inside the carb bracket to hide the hoses that run down either side to a brass T connector under the carb. A final length of hose runs from the T to the nipple on the back plate of the A/C housing. It's a bit of a snake pit, so I have a breather kit on the way that runs a chrome tube across the top of the carb from head to head with just a single outlet dropping down to run the hose. I'll post a pic of the install once I get it. Sorry if the explaination is a bit confusing.

chaserband
10th January 2005, 17:37
I was looking at this part for mine....is this what your talking about? http://www4.jpcycles.com/product/abacab1a-5a3e-476a-b2cd-59b816be08ab.jpeg

Rondall
10th January 2005, 21:37
Yes, just like that.

gamhill
11th January 2005, 18:09
Turbota -

Why did you choose to route the breather hose back into the carb? I know this is how the SE handle it, most people that add the horseshoe run the hose into a small filter.

Turbota
11th January 2005, 19:04
gamhill ....

I thought that would be the best was to evacuate the crackcase gasses, but I have found that it is pulling in oil though the carb ... So, since my engine is apart right now for Stage 2 heads and new pistons, I am going to route the fumes to atmosphere when I put it back togather. I think I can route the hose to the same place that thin fuel overflow hose that comes from the carb float bowl goes.

Ron,

bbradley
11th January 2005, 21:32
What do you guys think of this? (the first one #040487)

http://www.legendmcs.com/Carburetors-Intakes/carbs-intakes-manifolds-breathers.html

I wonder if that filter ever gets clogged up??

Brian

gamhill
11th January 2005, 22:22
Ron -
Since you've got the motor apart what do the pistons look like? I'm surprised at the amount of carbon I've seen on low mileage engines. Often thought that venting the crankcase into the engines causes this.

bbradley -
I like the look of this kit. For the cost, you get the bracket and the filter. For me, I think it's well worth the price. I really like that carb mounting bracket.



I have the new style SE on my bike, this has two hollow bolts that are used to attach the backplate to the heads. Then two molded rubber hoses are attached to the bolts, these point towards the mouth of the carb.

My thought is to remove the molded hoses and then use 3/8 pvc hose to attach to a dual connection filter. This is would require drilling a couple of holes in the backing plate, since it's plastic this should be easy. Thinking that I could 'hide' this

http://www.jpcycles.com/productdetail.aspx?PID=4000337&cs=Harley&GID=9C623F2E-DF26-4929-8726-9C53ED25A102&store=All&page=6&search=breather

behind the backing plate.

Turbota
12th January 2005, 00:27
gamhill ...

The pistons looked like shit ... Well, at least one of them did. One of the mechanics at the Stealership believes I flattened one of the valve seals from missing a gear and overreving it (7,000 rpm) with those high lift cams I have combined with the stock valve springs. So, I don't know if all the carbon on the front piston was from the valve seal or the crankcase breather, but this is the very reason I have the engine apart right now for Stage 2 heads and new pistons. I did have oil in the intake manifold, so I know oil was coming from the breather.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/DSCN0490.jpg

SportsterSpive
12th January 2005, 01:21
My 883 pistons were full of carbon as well. Looked halfway between those two extremes.

--Sean

Mechano
12th January 2005, 23:50
gamhill ....

I thought that would be the best was to evacuate the crackcase gasses, but I have found that it is pulling in oil though the carb ... So, since my engine is apart right now for Stage 2 heads and new pistons, I am going to route the fumes to atmosphere when I put it back togather. I think I can route the hose to the same place that thin fuel overflow hose that comes from the carb float bowl goes.

Ron,

I think into some countries and US states (i.e. California) it's outlaw to release oil fumes on the atmosphere.
It's the reason because now quite all motorcycles have them directed into the air filter to be burned into the combustion chamber.

It's not a bad idea at all, the upper piston ring get lubricated a bit, from when carburant got unleaded looseing lot of its lubricant power.

--
Mr. Mechano
Kawasaki ZRX1200 152HP
Soon (next week) XL1200C
Can't wait to touch and dismount this american bike... :-)

Wizwill
19th January 2005, 17:45
Super, dude!

Turbota
19th January 2005, 18:08
I think into some countries and US states (i.e. California) it's outlaw to release oil fumes on the atmosphere.
It's the reason because now quite all motorcycles have them directed into the air filter to be burned into the combustion chamber.

It's not a bad idea at all, the upper piston ring get lubricated a bit, from when carburant got unleaded looseing lot of its lubricant power.

While venting the crankcase gasses to atmosphere is more than likely illegal ( hope I don't go to prison :) ), I would bet that the majority of people on this forum would agree that this is the best method to use.

Here is my problem; With the stock or the SE air cleaner installed, I would not get oil in the carb or air cleaner. The hole in the breather bolts on the 04-05 motors is very very small in diameter and oil is not an issue. Since I am now using a completely different air cleaner, I have had to purchase your standard aftermarket breather kit:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Turbota/BreatherParts.jpg

The breather bolts have vent holes drilled through them that are 4 times as large as the stock breather bolts. This will allow not only crankcase gasses to enter the air cleaner / carb, but also bring in lots of oil. And all that oil was going right into the engine. In fact, when I took the motor apart, the intake was soaked with oil ... That ain't going to happen again!

chaserband
21st January 2005, 03:27
Well I got the new A/C today everything looks wonderful :smoke . I ordered the K&N filter for it today...man I got the projects cut out for me now. Ripsaws, DragtonII A/C, Progresive 11", Mini Apes. I think I will try to get the performance parts on first and then go for the chrome. :clap :clap :clap

Mechano
21st January 2005, 09:46
The breather bolts have vent holes drilled through them that are 4 times as large as the stock breather bolts. This will allow not only crankcase gasses to enter the air cleaner / carb, but also bring in lots of oil. And all that oil was going right into the engine. In fact, when I took the motor apart, the intake was soaked with oil ... That ain't going to happen again!

Now that I remember there's a new problem about this question...

A bit of vapor doesn't hurt too much, but so much oil will be a problem.

Because the 4 stroke motor oil is not like the 2 stroke oil (to mix with carburant to be burned), if it's too much, it'll make the combustion chamber plenty of carbon deposits.

Yes it'll be better to put the external breather.

Into my previous post I didn't want say that you're outlaw and meritate to go to prison.
But only that in many coutries and US states it's outlaw for an engine to release uncombusted HC (hydrocarbons).

I think that our EPAs are becoming so paranoids that it'll be soon when they'll oblige people to mounth brethers or relocate from ass directly into the mouth their "uncombusted hydrocarbons". :D

--
Mr. Mechano
Kawasaki ZRX1200 152hp http://www.zrx.it/modules/xoopsgallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album08
Soon (next week) '04 XL1200C red/silver