Would You Eat This?

[Uncledaddy]

I'm writing a paper on this topic for an ethics of biotechnology course.

I'd like to know your thoughts.

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[Airbozo]

That video makes a lot of claims. I would like to understand where they get their numbers and if they are fact checked.

That being said, even if the claims are half right, it would be viable alternative to what we now eat. Very few people would even know the difference but lots of people would be freaked out by it.

I would try it to see how it tastes. It would be interesting to see if they could grow the best parts. Tenderloin for everyone!

[jharback]

It's certainly an interesting concept. I like the overall idea but, have concerns about quality control in the lab. But, I guess that it couldn't be any worse than the quality control in our meat packing plants and the current system. My guess is that it is going to happen no matter what. It's just too efficient and I would think that the cost would also be extremely competitive. Unless of course Monsanto gets a patent on it and jacks the price way up.

Would I actually eat it? I'd probably try it. Don't know if I would make it a prime ingredient in my diet.

[Uncledaddy]

Here's an extensive resource library. The published studies are under the "technical" section.

http://www.new-harvest.org/resources.htm

[vlmuke]

Well, I would give it a try sounds kinda freaky, but it sounds like it would only be available as a ground meat, so there would still need the animal for the other stuff like steaks and roasts, I mean eating ground meat all the time would get old quick.

[Old Goat Ninja]

In theory sounds great. But I'm guessing there would be some sort of side effect unyet realized until people are already eating it.

[roadtrip]

Commonly known as "Frankenmeats"

while we're at it why not Soylent Green.....

[wandrur]

Sure, I'd eat that.

[CBAS5]

Why bother with making meat in test tubes when we can eat our own shit instead. You know we need to be environmentally responsible. :)

http://mb.com.ph/articles/323196/human-feces-the-meat-future

[steelworker]

Does it taste good? I'd eat it if it does. My concern is that they'd struggle to make it taste good - it's the fat in meat that gives it the taste, and this will be pure protein. Okay, they'll add fat to it, but would it taste as good as the real thing?

Would stem cells taken from cattle, pigs and sheep taste like beef, pork and mutton? Or would it all taste the same?

And would it be considered kosher or halal? there's more than ethics involved here - there's religion too. ;)

[Rico 05R]

Interesting idea.

[redi2ride]

Fing D U M. I love bloody meat raised naturally, even better if I kill it myself. There is no global climate crisis, at least not that we can affect. The only problem in the world with regards to the video, are there are too many mouths to feed. Let's go back to what nature intended, Natural Selection. Stop saving and curing everyone. Let some of these mildly retarded individuals, like the woman narrating the video, die off. Less mouths to feed, means fewer steers, more grass, better climate, everyone is happy. That's my angry rant for the week. Peace out

Ya! you can start the trend! anyone in your family wear glasses? any one on lipid control meds? any Endo diseases? Any chronic disease? you should take away all their aids and turn them loose unprotected from the ailments they carry.Oh, ya! all people born with or that develop problems should be sterilized, so they can't reproduce the problem. You never know,It might catch on:dohhahahaha your funny.

[redi2ride]

Does it taste good? I'd eat it if it does. My concern is that they'd struggle to make it taste good - it's the fat in meat that gives it the taste, and this will be pure protein. Okay, they'll add fat to it, but would it taste as good as the real thing?

Would stem cells taken from cattle, pigs and sheep taste like beef, pork and mutton? Or would it all taste the same?

And would it be considered kosher or halal? there's more than ethics involved here - there's religion too. ;)

Heh, I thought fat cells were the easiest to grow.

[vizcarmb]

If they made it into Wagyu or Kobe, for cheap, by all means ill go for it.

[tich]

:frownoneOh yes lets have huge labs growing protein. Farms with cearel crops and turnips take up to much room. And those Big smelly animals scareing normal folk just out walking there dog.
:p
oh I forgot we need the land for BIo fuel. Silly me.

10 billion animals killed. well thats 10billion animals that live that wonte get to live if the meet industry terns into a giant petri dish.

More vegi propergander I fear. lets here it for mamailian life. the road to hell paved with anouther good intention.:doh:frownthre

[Brad]

I don't mind eating/killing meat. But the meat/dairy/poultry industries can be pretty scary places - at least IMO. I think I'll be gone before that comes to market, but in theory, I'd eat it.

[redi2ride]

We think these lil ol' e coli break outs are bad..... Heh, Waite til the super bug on lab steroids breaks out and rips the flesh off a few thousand people in a couple weeks time. Or our bodies at the cellular level can't take this "super soup" it grows in and creates an auto immune disease that twist's our very DNA. You are what you eat, Does that mean we will all turn into Zombies? soulless mindless meat?

[Brad]

My only addition to this argument is that the cow you get at the Piggly Wiggly is a far cry from the deer you kill in the forest (or hit with your car...)

[Ireeman]

Oh i trust 100 % controlled by man, protein products, especially by the lowest bidder that moved it offshore to make more profit.... brilliant! Can't wait to feed my kid that.

[Graybeard]

Simple don't eat red meat! I eat lots of veggies, fish, turkey, chicken and fruit.
Will I still die? YES!

[Ireeman]

Simple don't eat red meat!

Sacrilege! Burn him at the nearest Steak.

[Uncledaddy]

Fing D U M. I love bloody meat raised naturally, even better if I kill it myself. There is no global climate crisis, at least not that we can affect. The only problem in the world with regards to the video, are there are too many mouths to feed. Let's go back to what nature intended, Natural Selection. Stop saving and curing everyone. Let some of these mildly retarded individuals, like the woman narrating the video, die off. Less mouths to feed, means fewer steers, more grass, better climate, everyone is happy. That's my angry rant for the week. Peace out

Here's a link to an environmental study concerning cultured meat. Industrial meat production's effects on the environment are well documented and supported. I agree we need to address overpopulation but adjusting our food production seems far more realistic as a solution.

Environmental Impacts of Cultured Meat Production
(http://www.new-harvest.org/img/files/tuomisto_teixiera_de_mattos_cultured_meat_lca_es_t _published.pdf)
Meat production is one of the major contributors to global environmental degradation. Currently, livestock raised for meat use 30% of global ice-free terrestrial land and 8% of global freshwater, while producing 18% of global greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, which is more than the global transportation sector.

Livestock production is also one of the main drivers of deforestation and degradation of wildlife habitats, and it contributes to the eutrophication of water ways. Globally, 34% of the GHG emissions related to livestock production are due to deforestation, 25% are methane emissions from enteric fermentation of ruminants, and 31% of the emissions are related to manure management.

It has been found that generally beef has the highest environmental impacts, whereas poultry has the lowest impacts when different species are compared.

Because of increasing population size and per capita meat consumption in the developing world, global meat consumption is expected to double between 1999 and 2050.

Such an increase will also double meat’s impacts on the environment unless more efficient meat production methods are adopted.

[Ireeman]

I bet we could raise more pounds per acre with Gators than beef down here. Very tasty gators are.

[Counter Steer]

No, I would not...............unless all other forms of red meat had disappeared from the earth a week earlier. I have been known to go a week, but not often.

I hunt, I am used to getting blood on my hands. I live where deer and elk still sh!t in my front yard and bear toss my unopenable trash cans around.

It is the same as asking me if I would ride an electric Sportster. When all other means of transportation are gone, a week of walking and I'd ride a electric sportster, even if I had to put baseball cards in the spokes.

[Phillober]

I've had worse so sure I'd eat it

Phillin it with tapatalk

[Sabrina]

I wouldn't even try it . Fact : animals were put here for consumption . I don't believe the planet is over populated either and I do believe there is enough food to go around . Why people are starving has nothing to do with lack of food mho .

[ghostlycadillac]

Oh boy just think about all of the hardworking Americans we could put out of a job with this! Sounds like a great idea. Where can I sign up to help fund this?!
What a bunch of horsesh*t!

[Sabrina]

Oh boy just think about all of the hardworking Americans we could put out of a job with this! Sounds like a great idea. Where can I sign up to help fund this?!
What a bunch of horsesh*t!

so true !!

[Terp84Alum]

No! I would not eat that.

[Uncledaddy]

I wouldn't even try it . Fact : animals were put here for consumption . I don't believe the planet is over populated either and I do believe there is enough food to go around . Why people are starving has nothing to do with lack of food mho .

Believing things doesn't magically make them true.

[Sabrina]

And niether does reading a few studies . What with all the genocides going on in the world , plus traffic accidents an cancer and heart desease and various other stuff pleanty of folks are dropping like flies to make room for new ones ;)

[Uncledaddy]

Oh boy just think about all of the hardworking Americans we could put out of a job with this! Sounds like a great idea. Where can I sign up to help fund this?!
What a bunch of horsesh*t!

That's an entirely valid argument. While new jobs would be created as the industry grows, I doubt it would offset the losses to the factory farms. It would probably only hit the industrial production real hard as fast-food chains and other more mass-produced products switched over. The smaller ranchers probably wouldn't do to bad though because there would be a spike in demand for high-quality "animal" meat.

[vlmuke]

after reading other peoples reply I think its kinda scary as it reminds of stuff out Buck Rogers or something, I might try it but I still like my steak

[Uncledaddy]

And niether does reading a few studies . What with all the genocides going on in the world , plus traffic accidents an cancer and heart desease and various other stuff pleanty of folks are dropping like flies to make room for new ones ;)

It took all of human history up until about 1970 to reach 3.5 billion people.
We doubled that (7 billion) in just 42 years.

Do you know what an exponential curve is?

Here's one...
http://www.curtismobley.com/images/world_population.gif

That's a lot of steaks.
It's a shit-ton of feed, water, and waste being consumed and produced just to convert sunlight into protein.
It's also highly inefficient. For every 10 calories of feed, only one calorie gets turned into meat.
It's unsustainable now and will only become more-so as we move along the x-axis of time on the graph above.

[csgant]

Man, when I opened this thread, I was thinking something entirely different.

[Sabrina]

Look most studies are biased , I'm having trouble copy and pasting from my cell which I do believe causes infertility which infertility is something I forgot to put on my list earlier . Take a look at www.jefflindsay.com/Overpop.shtml for example I could argue all day .studies smuddies

[LuxBlue]

Hasn't McDonald's been serving us fake meat for years? What's next, artificial sex? Nothing beats a flame broiled, medium rare Delmonico steak!

[hasselme0]

If everyone ate this crap then all of the animals would multiply and kill us with their emissions.

[rottenralph]

The Japanese are converting shit into meat substitute. I prefer this solution.

[Graybeard]

I'll agree with Ireeman, Gator is good, tastes like chicken! LOL Not, but it is good. I like oysters, clams, lobster, crab legs, escargot, most fish, a little calamari. I'm not real big on squid or octopus, mussels are okay. Scallops wrapped with prosciutto are delicious.
I grew up in cattle country, and grass or hay raised cattle are better tasting than the grain, and growth hormone feed lot kind.
I don't eat beef, or do fast food joints, and haven't for many-many years. Once they crack your chest and re-plumb your ticker you change your eating habits.
My opinion, Graybeard

[OleIronSide]

Well, since "uncles daddy" has shown me the light with some profound "scientific studies", I suppose I'll be eating tofu and broccoli all the rest of days. Luckily that won't be very long because all of the cow farts will burn up the ozone allowing the sun to burn us to an agonizing crisp.
I am down with some gator, and Sabrina is 100% right, animals are for consuming. Thank God I was born at the top of the food chain, have common sense, and don't believe everything I read by a bunch of PhD's.

[Ireeman]

allowing the sun to burn us to an agonizing crisp.

The Shade-Rustfarians disagree.

[LuxBlue]

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photopost/data/3243/Eat-More-Chikin-Please.jpg

[pquirk]

It does not sound delicious.

[shaymus]

Does not sound appealing to me.

I love all god's creatures. Right next to the mashed potato's and gravy !!
This messege is from PETA ( People Eating Tasty Animals )

[misterT]

NO F%&$#&G WAY!!!! So THATS the future, while the rich people are eating organic vegatables, and Kobe beef we get some cheap beef imitation grown with chemical compounds. Like CBAS5 said why not eat our own shit! on second thought don't give them any ideas, beef flavored shit burgers anyone?

[merc]

Hasn't McDonald's been serving us fake meat for years? What's next, artificial sex? Nothing beats a flame broiled, medium rare Delmonico steak!

followed by a roll in the hay

[Baphomet]

Without blood it's beef jerky. Who gives a rats butt.

[merc]

There are a shit load of alternatives to getting meat (substututing for beef, ham and chicken) than growing atificial shit in a lab.
There are a zillion pesky freakin bugs that if ground and blended could fill the void and rid the country of them.
Over population of dogs cats, rats,etc. Eliminate the strays and starving.
Plenty of reptiles in the world. Most are harmful to humans anyway-so let's eat the little rascals.
As mentioned already-pleanty of fish. Now let's kill off the sharks and eat them before they eat us.
Dangerous wild animals would be good. Take away the fear of being attacked by some mental grizzly or cougar.
and there is always:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDzRDmhxRa5pSDQQUArzYy0xjoaWwSd 8COjfGbJY_8ALdPiAqL

[halfdrive]

Probably not any worse than any MRE's I ate while in the service:smoke

[rottenralph]

I thought the MRE's are ground up enemies. MRE stands for MEALS from REAL ENEMIES.

[tich]

It took all of human history up until about 1970 to reach 3.5 billion people.
We doubled that (7 billion) in just 42 years.

Do you know what an exponential curve is?

Here's one...
http://www.curtismobley.com/images/world_population.gif

That's a lot of steaks.
It's a shit-ton of feed, water, and waste being consumed and produced just to convert sunlight into protein.
It's also highly inefficient. For every 10 calories of feed, only one calorie gets turned into meat.
It's unsustainable now and will only become more-so as we move along the x-axis of time on the graph above.

A lot of North Wales can only grow ruff grass and moss. I can digest neither.
The sheep can, I can digest them. hardly an inefishent use of land.:rolleyes:

Are you shore those beef farms are capable of producing High quality arable foods ?
how meny calories go into the cereal befor humans can digest them. Meet needs hardly any cooking to allow our digestive system to acsess the calories and nutriants.

But I agree there is a lot of us and if were not overcrouded, it aint going to be long untill we are.
Higher densitys normally meens more controll of inderviduals, necitating less freedoms.:frownthre

[tich]

There are a shit load of alternatives to getting meat (substututing for beef, ham and chicken) than growing atificial shit in a lab.
There are a zillion pesky freakin bugs that if ground and blended could fill the void and rid the country of them.


Spot on Merc. Bugs are the way to go. Breed quick low in fat high in protein.
And its reel.
I would much prefer a meckanickly reclaimed bug meat burger than a petri dish grown synth meat.

But it wouldnt be a treat ;)

[Uncledaddy]

A lot of North Wales can only grow ruff grass and moss. I can digest neither.
The sheep can, I can digest them. hardly an inefishent use of land.:rolleyes:
That would be an exceptional case. I was referring more towards the land capable of growing anything. The vast acres of monoculture we use to feed our cars and cows.

Are you shore those beef farms are capable of producing High quality arable foods ?
how meny calories go into the cereal befor humans can digest them. Meet needs hardly any cooking to allow our digestive system to acsess the calories and nutriants.
Quite a lot of energy (petroleum) goes into producing the grains we feed the animals. That only compounds the ultimate net energy result.
True, a good cut of protein only needs a quick burn on its surfaces to be safe. Our stomach acid denatures the protein just fine.

But I agree there is a lot of us and if were not overcrouded, it aint going to be long untill we are.
Higher densitys normally meens more controll of inderviduals, necitating less freedoms.:frownthre
Don't get me started.

[Ireeman]

Don't get me started.

I second the motion.....all in favor say aye.

[Ireeman]

would like to hear your views on Monsanto though, UD.......

[Brad]

The important question that needs to be answered here is:

LuxBlue - who is that in your Avitar?

[Phillober]

You would have to eat it because if given the chance it would eat you

Phillin it with tapatalk at the bar

[Uncledaddy]

would like to hear your views on Monsanto though, UD.......
Concerning anything in particular? Or just in general?

[Loner]

No I would not eat Petri-meat, but then I don't eat any meat.
I do eat eggs and dairy.

IMO it is just a progression of technology, man has been tampering with animals and food for ages,look at the dog sitting or laying by you, he/she is the offspring of man messing with wild dogs,that Pizza your chowing down probably has genetically modified tomatoes that pepperoni comes from genetically enhanced-modified cattle, those BBQ chicken wings sitting in the box is full of animals and products "improved" by man.

Even the turkey has been so modified to have a breast so big that the female turkeys have to artificially inseminated.

I once heard the biggest parasite on earth is humans.

[Santa Claus]

Just don't eat the reindeer. Please!

[Sabrina]

Just don't eat the reindeer. Please!

Haha !!!

[LuxBlue]

The important question that needs to be answered here is:

LuxBlue - who is that in your Avitar?

That is my lovely S.O., "Legs"!

[tich]

Just don't eat the reindeer. Please!

I hear there is a close season betwean the 24th and 26th;)

I campain for a by- law to prevent the stalking of dear when they are attached to a slaigh or otherwise found grazing on roofs. :D

Tich E.L.F