Wow, I have to admit I'm a bit discouraged.

It's now what, going on 15 MONTHS since the XR1200 was first announced and still there are no XR's on the street even in Europe yes?

And still no sign of a release here.

I felt kinda bad giving up on it back in October when an opportunity arose to buy another Guzzi and I took it, but still, the XR remains in my mind.

But I'm bordering on pessimistic at this point.

Kev

Kev look at this link. I received this from a dealer in Nashville.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2006_Campaigns/XR1200_minisite/XR1200_popup.jsp?locale=en_GB

They say in Spring '08 it will be available in Europe.

Looks like the only way to get one here is to go to KC and steal one.Whats up with that crap ,Eh! Do they sell more Sporty's overseas than here in the USA?

Well...I am interested in this bike, for the fun factor, but I am not super happy with the way it looks. I wish it looked like a real XR....pipes exit on the left etc.

Kev look at this link. I received this from a dealer in Nashville.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2006_Campaigns/XR1200_minisite/XR1200_popup.jsp?locale=en_GB

They say in Spring '08 it will be available in Europe.

My point is that they said it was going to be available MONTHS ago in Europe... Hell, it's over a YEAR since it was announced, that's unprecedented for the MoCo.

Now I understand they've had some testing issues with brakes and exhaust, but still, over a YEAR! :frownthre

Looks like the only way to get one here is to go to KC and steal one.Whats up with that crap ,Eh! Do they sell more Sporty's overseas than here in the USA?

Not to rehash the discussions we've had on the subject, but the thought is that the US has always been uhhh, somewhat slow to accept a SPORTing Harley (ala XLCR or Street Rod etc) AND the EU market has long favored more SPORTlike bikes, therefore they'd test the waters there...

...but to test the F'n waters they gotta actually deliver and sell some damn bikes.

I think they've really risked killing it because of how long it's taken them to follow through.

It's now what, going on 15 MONTHS since the XR1200 was first announced and still there are no XR's on the street even in Europe yes?


I haven't been able to find one in Europe. I have been checking out the UK site though so maybe it's just not in the UK? I have been hoping that once it's out in Europe I could at least get an idea on the specs such as fuel economy and power output. I know the European versions generally have less power than the American bikes, but I was hoping for at least an idea where the American one might be, if there ever was an American one.

Let it go Kev, you got the new Guzzi anyways...
No need to reopen healed wounds now... ;-)

I am feeling the same way about the Rocker®

Would be my next bike if they ever delivered. But I'm not going to get my hopes up.

The XR website (www.xrdna.com) says that it will be available Spring 2008.

Yea I think they screwed up by not having them on the streets by now. They got the hype up and they haven't delivered.

The only thing I can think of is they had some type of supply or engineering problem they haven't quite fixed yet.

Ive two mates who wanted a XR 1200 and have got fed up waiting and have cancelled their orders, mind you a lot of people have got fed up of ever getting a rocker and are buying the fat bobs instead.

I think HD have cocked up over both these models and lost a lot of sales.

The rocker is an issue with gluing the rear bodywork together in production. It's not going well. I can't talk about the XR.... but it's not good.

AW

Ive two mates who wanted a XR 1200 and have got fed up waiting and have cancelled their orders, mind you a lot of people have got fed up of ever getting a rocker and are buying the fat bobs instead.

I think HD have cocked up over both these models and lost a lot of sales.everybody in Europe nows that the xr1200 is not coming before spring 2008 thats also what they are saying on their xr1200 website i think.
So if you,re two frends has canceled now their orders is a bit early i guess.

Here in Holland they told me the xr1200 is not coming before April 2008 they think so i have to wait a couple months but i don,t care.
i have time because the season is starting for me in April and i have 3 other motorbikes so if i have the xr1200 somewere in April 2008 its okay for me.

gr xr1200

I am feeling the same way about the Rocker®

I sat on a Rocker at the Lone Star Rally... I think it was a dealer booth...but not sure.

They were supposed to be in all the showrooms in November, but I haven't seen one at a dealership, yet.

The rocker is an issue with gluing the rear bodywork together in production. It's not going well. I can't talk about the XR.... but it's not good.

AW



"...gluing the rear bodywork together in production." ????

Can you explain what that means, please? What has to be glued together? I wouldn't give a shite if the reflectors fell off!

As I sit here and make my plans for the Cycleworld Show in Washington, DC I realized they missed the boat again. They could have done the whole prototype thing at the shows here in the US. They could have gotten US feed back for a late 09 launch.

I sat on a Rocker at the Lone Star Rally... I think it was a dealer booth...but not sure.

They were supposed to be in all the showrooms in November, but I haven't seen one at a dealership, yet.

I have heard there are a few out travelling.

I keep hearing that H-D is waiting to have enough Rockers® built so that each dealership can roll 'em out at the same time.

BUT, the local dealership here has sold the first three they get, so they aren't gonna roll 'em out. They will never leave the back room. I gotta believe that is happening elsewhere, too.

They just plain screwed the pooch on this one. Much like the XR1200.

But, in their defense, they got the Nightster rolled out on time! :doh

The nighty is a paint job and 1" travel shocks off a bike they were already biulding.

The xr1200 is all new.

AW

Ive two mates who wanted a XR 1200 and have got fed up waiting and have cancelled their orders, mind you a lot of people have got fed up of ever getting a rocker and are buying the fat bobs instead.

I think HD have cocked up over both these models and lost a lot of sales.

Well, I'd say the XR1200 cock up is worse for a reason. As you said, a lot of guys who are fed up waiting for the Rocker buy another Softail.

BUT I think a lot of guys who are fed-up waiting for an XR are gonna buy another brand.

A Ducati, A Guzzi, A Triumph, A ???

But not another Harley.

That's the major part of the cock-up.

I know that's what I DID.


everybody in Europe nows that the xr1200 is not coming before spring 2008 thats also what they are saying on their xr1200 website i think.


Thing is, that's not what they ORIGINALLY said...



The xr1200 is all new.


Well, ALL new might be a stretch, but certainly MORE new or different than the Nighty was...

K

Thing is, that's not what they ORIGINALLY said...




[/QUOTE]i don,t now what they said in the beginning but here in Holland nobody said that the xr1200 was coming in for example end 2007 or just early in 2008 .

i made a fhonecall here with Harley Benelux and ask them before i ordered the xr1200 when he was coming .
And the answer was....we hope in March 2008 for the dealers and later in April the first delivery for the people who ordered one.

So...i,m gone waiting very quet ....an i hope they are realy coming in April here with my Orange xr1200

but....if the xr1200 is not coming before May than i wanne have it for a bit less money because the season is starting earlyer for me or ...i buy an Buell or an Guzzy or something in that direction.

Bingo and here they were dumb enough to announce it some 15 months ago with a vague launch date for Europe and NO LAUNCH date for the US, still I waited... I gave them more than a year to just tell me IF it was gonna come.

But time ran out.. ;)

Bingo and here they were dumb enough to announce it some 15 months ago with a vague launch date for Europe and NO LAUNCH date for the US,

Exactly. They should have been in the show rooms of Europe by the June-July timeframe.

This reminds me of the 1971 Triumph models. They redesigned the bikes and didn't have them ready until the fall. They missed the US riding season and the sales figures showed it.

Good excuse to build your own. Buy an old 883 solid mount, a set of Buell inverted forks, add a 1200 top end and new heads, a set of cams and SuperTrapp exhaust, figure out how to mount your favorite sport bike tail..........

It could all be done for 6-7 grand and you'd have a one off custom like nobody else's bike.

Bingo and here they were dumb enough to announce it some 15 months ago with a vague launch date for Europe and NO LAUNCH date for the US, still I waited... I gave them more than a year to just tell me IF it was gonna come.

But time ran out.. ;)date for the US....there is no date for the US because the xr1200 is not coming in the US.

Or is that not what you mean ? that you was waiting over 1 year to hear when the xr1200 was coming in the US .

Bingo and here they were dumb enough to announce it some 15 months ago with a vague launch date for Europe and NO LAUNCH date for the US, still I waited... I gave them more than a year to just tell me IF it was gonna come.

But time ran out.. ;)
i changed some text and i lost a bit i guess in the other email:D

but ...if the xr1200 is not here end of April 2008 i going to the dealer and i wanne have the xr1200 for lower price because i have an paper were he,s writing ...delivery 11 April 2008 so ...thats an contract :D

if the xr1200 is not coming than ....well...i like Buell also and Guzzy to so than i buy that i guess.
But i think the xr1200 is coming just on time:clap

gr xr1200

Or is that not what you mean ? that you was waiting over 1 year to hear when the xr1200 was coming in the US .

Yes that was what I meant.

I ordered the bike back in Nov 07. It's my first Harley and should be in my house by the end of April (so I hope). Does anybody know the dry weight??
Dated 10 April 08 there will be a race on the xr 1200 model in the north of Italy. This has been officially announced by HD Italy and I do not think they will cancel this official race presentation of the bike. We will see.
Augh.

I ordered the bike back in Nov 07. It's my first Harley and should be in my house by the end of April (so I hope). Does anybody know the dry weight??
Dated 10 April 08 there will be a race on the xr 1200 model in the north of Italy. This has been officially announced by HD Italy and I do not think they will cancel this official race presentation of the bike. We will see.
Augh.

Unfortunately I haven't seen any final specs on the bike.

But keep us posted what you learn.

And please tell us about that race when it happens!!!

Kev

When I was in Rome in December I was hoping to see one at the dealership there. Was disapointed that there wasn't one yet.

You will not see any before April-may timeframe. I will keep you all informed on what is going on in Italy on the bike. Augh.

You will not see any before April-may timeframe. I will keep you all informed on what is going on in Italy on the bike. Augh.

Grazie

Kev

On the streets? You mean like this:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2019/2112678847_4194873af4.jpg

those mufflers are ugly. probaly weigh 50 lbs

On the streets? You mean like this:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2019/2112678847_4194873af4.jpg

:yikes :wtf Is there a Sportster behind those cannisters?

My dealer in Paris told me that XR1200 was designed for the european bikers. Available in April 2008 in France for 12000 euros.

Folkie, buddy, you gotta tell us about that one! You can't leave us hangin' like this!

Folkie, buddy, you gotta tell us about that one! You can't leave us hangin' like this!What, aren't they on sale everywhere yet? Over here every man and his dog's got one.





































Only kidding!

No, I'm afraid I don't know where that pic was taken, but the caption says Prototype XR1200, ie: not one of the production bikes. Apparently it was taken on 15th December. I found it here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/toniphotos/2112678847/in/set-72157603465537141/) when I was looking for something else.

Ahh, I thought that was one of the final bikes. I was a little worried!

See the price? 7665 GBP.What's that in American about 15,000.00?

See the price? 7665 GBP.What's that in American about 15,000.00?But that wouldn't be what you'd pay in the US. The 1200R is £6,995 ($13,647) in the UK, but $8,895 in the US.

I have seen and jumped on the bike last November in Milan. I think that the photo shown by folkie does not reflect the correct dimensions of the mufflers.
I did not have the same impression someone here in the forum had. If I noticed something wrong, it is the distance between the mufflers and the wheel that is way too much. My only concern is its weight.
Augh.

I wonder how those mufflers are supported. I mean, they'd have to be bracketed off the engine, right, like all rubbermount exhausts?

Hope is clear. Augh.

See the price? 7665 GBP.What's that in American about 15,000.00?

But that wouldn't be what you'd pay in the US. The 1200R is £6,995 ($13,647) in the UK, but $8,895 in the US.
For the umpteenth time - you can't use straight conversions to compare vehicle pricing from country-to-country as most manufacturers (Harley included) adjust the pricing (up or down) to the market.

;)

For the umpteenth time - you can't use straight conversions to compare vehicle pricing from country-to-country as most manufacturers (Harley included) adjust the pricing (up or down) to the market.

;)That's what I said!

Hope is clear. Augh.

Clear. yes.

Big. Not so much.

That's what I said!

Yeah, but I used English.

:p ;)

Yeah, but I used English.

:p ;)Yes, but the numbers I used showed not only that there was a difference in the prices, but what the difference is. Of course that's something that could only be appreciated by a numerate person Kev. :p

Yes, but the numbers I used showed not only that there was a difference in the prices, but what the difference is. Of course that's something that could only be appreciated by a numerate person Kev. :p

That would ASSume that the differences are always a constant. It would take a couple of more examples to establish that, and even then you couldn't count on it.

It would also ASSume that people understood your point and didn't just go blank when they started seeing the various numbers.

I'd hate to ASSume.

;)

That would ASSume that the differences are always a constant. It would take a couple of more examples to establish that, and even then you couldn't count on it.

It would also ASSume that people understood your point and didn't just go blank when they started seeing the various numbers.

I'd hate to ASSume.

;):laugh .

Ok I talked to an HD rep (as opposed the dealer reps helping out) to today about the XR 1200. He gave me the corporate answer about they still aren't sure if they will be bringing it to the US market. I think he said it twice. I told him I could understand Europe but selling it in Africa is like a kick in the balls. He laughed but you could tell there was more that he wasn't going to tell me.

So they are still tight lipped about it.

Ok I talked to an HD rep (as opposed the dealer reps helping out) to today about the XR 1200. He gave me the corporate answer about they still aren't sure if they will be bringing it to the US market. I think he said it twice. I told him I could understand Europe but selling it in Africa is like a kick in the balls. He laughed but you could tell there was more that he wasn't going to tell me.

So they are still tight lipped about it.

Aw crap, I totally forgot.

I was so disinterested in the Harley booth I didn't bother.

NOW I DID GET SOME HINTS ON THE BUELL SIDE OF THINGS.

I'm SUSPECTING there's going to be something more sport-tourerish, if only a Lightening Long with the Hard Cases from the Buellyssess or something like that.

Damn, I forget what day he told me to check out the Buell website, the 19th or the 20th... but was that this month or Feb? crap - I was way too distracted.

:dunno

I didn't look at anything in the Harley booth. I was determined to find a factory rep. I totally forgot to ask a rep in the Buell booth questions. I sat on the 1125R and moved on. A new sport tourer. Cool. So between the both of us I guess we covered it.

Yeah, between us both we have a couple of goose eggs... lol...

Time will tell.

Kev

On the streets? You mean like this:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2019/2112678847_4194873af4.jpg


That is a fake or a prototype. There are no production bikes on the street that have been released to the public. They are still being test built one at a time.

AW

the engineer I know there has been riding one for months last year, he loves it and said it will be released midyear like the nightster was.

That is a fake or a prototype. There are no production bikes on the street that have been released to the public. They are still being test built one at a time.

AWYeah, I did own up to that in my next post; I was just teasing.

the engineer I know there has been riding one for months last year, he loves it and said it will be released midyear like the nightster was.where was he riding ...on the streets in the US ?

or on the Harley factory roads or just for testing ?

if you know this guy tell him to do something whith the stuppid exhausts .
if they are still the same as this one when i get my xr1200 i,m gonna drive it without exhausts i think:D


gr xr1200

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/home.jsp?locale=fr_FR

For those who don't speak french "arrivée imminente" means "coming VERY soon"....

Harley Davidson loves France and Europe.....

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/home.jsp?locale=fr_FR

For those who don't speak french "arrivée imminente" means "coming VERY soon"....

Harley Davidson loves France and Europe.....nee sur la piste...i think that means....coming on the road or something :clap

but...still the same exhaust on the picture ,i,m realy thinking that the prototype exhaust not changed anymore .

where do i find so fast as posible than another exhaust when i have the xr1200 here in Holland.

i send already an email to Supertrapp but they don,t no if the make one because the xr is not for sale in the US this year and maybe never so ???
thats what Harley is saying than over the xr1200 is not for sale in US not me .

i,ve seen already the new Supertraps for the 2004-2008 Sportys and i like them so i hope they make it also for the xr1200.

gr xr1200

If the XR remains an export only model, I don't think you have the faintest chance in hell of seeing an aftermarket exhaust.

Even if it comes to the US, the first thing I think you'd see would be slip-on mufflers of some sort, MAYBE.

And even then it might take a year or more.

It will depend on anticipated success.

It's just not worth it for most companies to invest in making different products if they aren't going to sell enough of them.

I checked out the website again and I'm still not impressed. Where exactly is the true XR DNA in that thing? A person would be better off doing the STORZ treatment to a Roadster for a closer effect. 85HP (engine rated) out of a 1200 isn't beyond what any of us can do to a stock 1200 with ease. The top mount air intake offers an uncluttered view of the engine which is a nice touch. For the money there are a lot better real sport bikes to buy. I bet people who ride this will get alot of grief from their friends with real sport bikes.

I checked out the website again and I'm still not impressed. Where exactly is the true XR DNA in that thing? A person would be better off doing the STORZ treatment to a Roadster for a closer effect. 85HP (engine rated) out of a 1200 isn't beyond what any of us can do to a stock 1200 with ease. The top mount air intake offers an uncluttered view of the engine which is a nice touch.

Yeah, at more than twice the price :rolleyes:


The top mount air intake offers an uncluttered view of the engine which is a nice touch. For the money there are a lot better real sport bikes to buy. I bet people who ride this will get alot of grief from their friends with real sport bikes.

By the same logic there are tons of "better" standards to buy than a Sporty too... but for some reason we just tend to come back to this bike.

It's NOT just about numbers, Nuff said.

For the money there are a lot better real sport bikes to buy. I bet people who ride this will get alot of grief from their friends with real sport bikes.It's not a sport bike, real or any other kind. I don't see why anyone riding a Sportster should get grief from their friends with sport bikes; they've shosen to go a different route.

I have owned 2 Hondas, 2 Kawasakis, 1 Laverda, 1 Dyna and 3 Sportsters (so far).

People that love Sportsters don't really give a rats what other riders think.

It will always be so!

The stock exhaust is what it has to be to make HP and please the EPA/CARB nazis.

:p

I checked out the website again and I'm still not impressed. Where exactly is the true XR DNA in that thing? A person would be better off doing the STORZ treatment to a Roadster for a closer effect. 85HP (engine rated) out of a 1200 isn't beyond what any of us can do to a stock 1200 with ease. The top mount air intake offers an uncluttered view of the engine which is a nice touch. For the money there are a lot better real sport bikes to buy. I bet people who ride this will get alot of grief from their friends with real sport bikes.

I'm not impressed either with calling this abomination an "XR". But, many manufacturers have done similiar stunts - the '74 Mustang was a rebodied Pinto, the recent Dodge Charger is a four door family car with no manual transmission option, etc., etc. If it indeed carries 50 fewer lbs. and puts out 25 more hp than a current 1200 Sportster, it's a decent starting point as a real, air-cooled, sporting standard - something that the current XL1200R misses the mark on by being too heavy, training-wheel cornering clearance, and lazy-boy acceleration.

If the XR remains an export only model, I don't think you have the faintest chance in hell of seeing an aftermarket exhaust.

Even if it comes to the US, the first thing I think you'd see would be slip-on mufflers of some sort, MAYBE.

And even then it might take a year or more.

It will depend on anticipated success.

It's just not worth it for most companies to invest in making different products if they aren't going to sell enough of them.correct but what i heard here there is enough interest in the xr1200 specialy from Buell drivers :D.

i think the xr1200 is not realy an big seller but maybe i,m wrong.

And Europe is not realy small because there are living much people and here are also lots of Harleys sold so the after market is coming for sure onlt=y if Supertrapp is coming with it i don,t now.

But we have here in Europe also lots of exhaust factorys who are making exhaust for motorbikes who are not very populair.

The only thing is what you are saying....patience we need i think if we need an other exhaust or other parts for the xr1200.

Maybe i explain it sometimes a bit stuppid but i do not no al the Englisch words to tell it like usual sorry.:o

in Dutch is going much better for me ;)

gr xr1200

People that love Sportsters don't really give a rats what other riders think.

It will always be so!


:pthats the spirit....i don,t care either what they are saying from the Sporty because if i wanne buy it i do it is my opinion.

And that story over sportbikesfrends and grief ....they are driving ofcourse behind me when i have the xr1200 ,the most sportbikes drivers are buying it to say...i have 150 HP in my bike but ....i,m using only 90 :D

gr xr1200

correct but what i heard here there is enough interest in the xr1200 specialy from Buell drivers :D.

i think the xr1200 is not realy an big seller but maybe i,m wrong.


I was wondering who the XR would appeal to, because it probably won't handle or go quite like a Buell; and it's too tall, and possibly a little too "modern" for a lot of fans of the traditional Sporty; and who's going to buy a streetfighter, when we all know that Sporties are just a stepping stone to buying a real Harley?:frownthre.
So I asked on the HD stand at the NEC bike show, where is the interest coming from? The sales rep reckoned a lot of people who've been asking about the XR currently ride big Jap naked bikes - riders who are past the first flush of youth, and may be looking for something a bit different. If that's the case, and the XR sells well, it could work well for HD by bringing people into the HD fold who wouldn't previously have been seen dead on a Harley.

Whatever happens, that exhaust has got to go.:smoke

Why is everybody complaining for the exhaust when the worst part is the oil radiator. Did someone notice where it is?? That is the first thing to modify, the entire left side is ugly because of it. Augh.

riders who are past the first flush of youth, and may be looking for something a bit different. If that's the case, and the XR sells well, it could work well for HD by bringing people into the HD fold who wouldn't previously have been seen dead on a Harley.




That is exactly what they need to do. It gives someone a crossover point.

I have a friend that I grew up with would always bad mouth Harleys but never rode one. He rode my Sportster and got him a little confused. Then we were in Florida and I rented an Electra Glide. He just looked at it and asked why I like those things. We were on the way back from Key West, he rode it about a hundred miles. When he got off he said that I convienced him. I asked him what did he expect and he said honestly he didn't know. He got all wrapped up in the Harley can't, isn't and is crap that people say.

I'm not impressed either with calling this abomination an "XR". But, many manufacturers have done similiar stunts - the '74 Mustang was a rebodied Pinto, the recent Dodge Charger is a four door family car with no manual transmission option, etc., etc.

Harley did it when they continued to call a Sportster, a SPORTster after the 50s and 60s etc.

Seriously, I'm still flabbergasted that people ride the "legendary" and "historic" Sportster, one of the first superbikes which, compared to today's superbikes is fully neutered and then complain about a version that promises to have more power, better brakes and better handling

:dunno

correct but what i heard here there is enough interest in the xr1200 specialy from Buell drivers :D.

<snip>

Maybe i explain it sometimes a bit stuppid but i do not no al the Englisch words to tell it like usual sorry.:o

in Dutch is going much better for me ;)



Buell sells maybe 8000-9000 bikes per year.

Harley sells maybe 70,000-80,000 Sportsters per year.

Even if EVERY potential Buell owner in the entire world buys abandon's Buell and buys an XR, the XR would be a complete and total failure if they don't bring in additional buyers from another segment.

I LOVE the concept of the XR, I was full-on ready to buy one more than a year ago, but I'm not nearly as optimistic as I was about the bike's success.

I STILL want one, if only because it could be my generation's XLCR if it disappears a year or two after introduction.

Oh, and your English is pretty good! Certainly WAY better than most American's Dutch. ;)

I was wondering who the XR would appeal to, because it probably won't handle or go quite like a Buell; and it's too tall, and possibly a little too "modern" for a lot of fans of the traditional Sporty; and who's going to buy a streetfighter, when we all know that Sporties are just a stepping stone to buying a real Harley?:frownthre.
So I asked on the HD stand at the NEC bike show, where is the interest coming from? The sales rep reckoned a lot of people who've been asking about the XR currently ride big Jap naked bikes - riders who are past the first flush of youth, and may be looking for something a bit different. If that's the case, and the XR sells well, it could work well for HD by bringing people into the HD fold who wouldn't previously have been seen dead on a Harley.

Whatever happens, that exhaust has got to go.:smoke

I can be optimistic - but honestly, I don't mind the exhaust. :dunno

Why is everybody complaining for the exhaust when the worst part is the oil radiator. Did someone notice where it is?? That is the first thing to modify, the entire left side is ugly because of it. Augh.

JEZUS, you guys can be so frickin' fickle on looks.

I'll save the good looks for my "old lady" a bike, I want to be functional first and as for looks, I just don't want it to look completely fugly... like a multistrada or something like that.

;)

Take a peek at this:

http://www.seacoastharley.com/default.asp

One down........ one to go...........

Take a peek at this:

http://www.seacoastharley.com/default.asp

One down........ one to go...........

Yeah, I got an email from a local dealer earlier this week saying they had a Rocker in stock too....

... how pathetic, Harley announced both these bikes at their last dealer show and they scrambled to get ONE of them out before the NEXT dealer show (tommorrow). :rolleyes:

Buell sells maybe 8000-9000 bikes per year.

Harley sells maybe 70,000-80,000 Sportsters per year.

Even if EVERY potential Buell owner in the entire world buys abandon's Buell and buys an XR, the XR would be a complete and total failure if they don't bring in additional buyers from another segment.

I LOVE the concept of the XR, I was full-on ready to buy one more than a year ago, but I'm not nearly as optimistic as I was about the bike's success.

I STILL want one, if only because it could be my generation's XLCR if it disappears a year or two after introduction.

Oh, and your English is pretty good! Certainly WAY better than most American's Dutch. ;)



I can be optimistic - but honestly, I don't mind the exhaust. :dunno




;)i was a bit joking over Buell but i know some people here who are driving Buell and they like the xr1200 also and Buell is a bit a small bike and i think there more space on the xr1200.

but....i,m also like the Buell 1125 R total different bike than the xr1200 but....nice.

I don,t now who it said here but there are also people from 40 and older who like the xr1200 who have now maybe a japbike.

Look at me :D i,m 49 years old and i have at the moment an Yamaha xjr 1200 sp and also Yamaha xt 660 x and my oldie the Laverda 750 sf.

But ...i was selling my Aprilia Tuono 1000 R in November 2007 and i,m buying the xr1200 back now this year.
Tuono was realy a good bike but i was always speeding with it most of the time in Germany om small/mean roads 160/180 or higher and now i,m gonna be 50 this year i hope and i said to my wive and kids....if you,re 50 you need an Harley so i make my choise and i,m buying an ...xr1200:D

its not my first Harley..i have two 883 sportys and an L.Rider Custom but the last was nothing for me.


And over that oilcooler or something...whats wrong with it ?
show me the picture what youre mean if you want.

And American people who write in Dutch ..try it .

i help you with it ....Goodbye....tot ziens :D

gr xr1200

I knew you were joking, but Buell sales were a good comparison point to show how small the market is for the XR.

I hope I'm wrong, because I really like what I have seen of the XR.

And yes, I agree with multiple bike owners.

We currently have 2 Guzzis and 1 Harley and are probably going to add a Ducati soon.

Kev

We currently have 2 Guzzis and 1 Harley and are probably going to add a Ducati soon.

Lemme guess: you don't have any kids. I have my share of bikes but not much time to ride them.

Lemme guess: you don't have any kids. I have my share of bikes but not much time to ride them.

I daughter 9 y/o - rides with me sometimes.

Jenn is FINALLY about to graduate from school... if things go the way she wants she's planning on twin boys, 3 years from now - if that plan doesn't work, we'll have one and adopt one at some point.

Life is good.

K

We have to hope the XR1200 is a big hit in Europe, so maybe we can get one sometime in the future.
I guess getting old means remembering when it was the other way around.

I knew you were joking, but Buell sales were a good comparison point to show how small the market is for the XR.

I hope I'm wrong, because I really like what I have seen of the XR.

And yes, I agree with multiple bike owners.

We currently have 2 Guzzis and 1 Harley and are probably going to add a Ducati soon.

Kevi think that the xr1200 is not realy a big seller in the futere here in Holland.
young people are not buying it i gues because the price here is not realy low so more people who are a bit older and with some extra money in the pocket buying it i think but maybe i,m wrong because here in Holland he cost now 13.200 euro and 400 extra for delivery makes 13.600 thats about 19.929,42 US dollar and thats not realy cheep i think .
for me is it not realy a problem if the xr1200 is not gonna be a succes for sale because the xr1200 is than still exclusif but the other way is ofcourse that there are not much after market parts coming then i think and for Harley is it also not good ofcourse so...
Whe shall see it later this year i think and i hope for you he,s stil coming in the US ofcourse.

gr xr1200

I feel sorry for you XR1200. The price in Holland is really unbelievable !!
Here in Italy the official price as from the HD site is 12.000 E on the street, for the Orange model. You can save approximately 600-800 euros if you find a friendly dealer. My country is famous to have high prices on everything .... except on HD!! Augh.

I feel sorry for you XR1200. The price in Holland is really unbelievable !!
Here in Italy the official price as from the HD site is 12.000 E on the street, for the Orange model. You can save approximately 600-800 euros if you find a friendly dealer. My country is famous to have high prices on everything .... except on HD!! Augh.So XR1200, go to Italy, buy the bike, ride it home!

So XR1200, go to Italy, buy the bike, ride it home!not posible....if we buy an motorbike in an other country we have to pay extra tax :frownone

In Holland the Dutch gouverment are a bunch off asholes because they steel lots of extra money from us if whe buy an new motorbike.
And also if you buy an new/used bike in an other country.
Sinds years they have an tax cald BPM and that is a kind of luxery tax for motorbikes what they are steeling from us .

in Germany the Orange xr1200 is i think 11.600 euro so we pay 2000 extra .
But if i buy it there than i must also pay 2000 or more extra tax so...:frownthre

Butttttt.....the Dutch Harley Dealer where i buyt the xr1200 was frendly and give me an other / lower price for the xr1200.

And later ,after i ordered it Harley was making the price 210 euro higher for the Orange colour but i don,t have to pay it.

Folkie...i go to Italy almost every year for driving there because its nice there.

gr xr1200

Oh well, just have to stump up the cash then. :frownone

It was nice driving here, XR1200, true, but now with all the speed limits we have and all the police around it's becoming a nightmare. Augh.

It was nice driving here, XR1200, true, but now with all the speed limits we have and all the police around it's becoming a nightmare. Augh.yeah...its everyhere i guess in Europe that there is lots of speedcontrol.
Bit i,m driving lots of time in direction Aosta and then to the South crossing the Italian/French Alpes and i have untill now not realy problems with speedcontrol.
Sometimes a ticket from 50/75 euro but than i,m laughing:D

Dolimits the same...no problem there until now.

The last speeding ticket i had was last summer in ...Germany ...near Wurzburg.
70 km road....police motorbike bike behind me , i didnt see it because he followd me from about 500 meter and he was not look like a plolice bike and i was speeding round 170/180 km.

He filmed me on camera and my frend also and after he stopped us with his Bleu ligt we had a nice talk we got both an speedticket from 220 euro each.
After that we talked again with him and he was very frendly and he said...you were driving much to fast but not dangerous so thats why i give only one speedticket and you both can go to where you must go.

Folkie...just have to stump up the cash then

what is that what you say there i don,t understood that so good sorry

gr xr1200

13785

Did you see where the oil radiator is??
Where do you usually put the radiator in the US if you want to install one??

Folkie...just have to stump up the cash then

what is that what you say there i don,t understood that so good sorryIt means: you'll just have to spend the extra money.

It means: you'll just have to spend the extra money.the money i saved you mean for the lower price i got...yeahhh....exhaust i gues when there is something .

gr xr1200

the money i saved you mean for the lower price i got...yeahhh....exhaust i gues when there is something .

gr xr1200No, I mean the extra it's going to cost buying it in Holland, compared to the price in Italy.

No, I mean the extra it's going to cost buying it in Holland, compared to the price in Italy.okay...clear;)

it was better for me i gues when i was 32 years ago on the highschool more interested in the Englisch lessons but with a bit patience from the people here its working for me.

gr xr1200

it was better for me i gues when i was 32 years ago on the highschool more interested in the Englisch lessons but with a bit patience from the people here its working for me.

You're doing just fine - keep on posting. :banana

Who knows-maybe they're redoing some stuff on the bike to make it better and that's what's taking so long. Better to be late to the party and make a good impression than on time and look like crap!;)

Who knows-maybe they're redoing some stuff on the bike to make it better and that's what's taking so long. Better to be late to the party and make a good impression than on time and look like crap!;)

Well, from a marketing standpoint - IF that's true they should have waited to announce it.

From a rider's standpoint - I don't give 2 craps what it looks like (past a reasonable point) IF IT FUNCTIONS!

It's that last part that scares me.

Cause I've heard insider stories about how HD R&D/Engineering works.

They design something, run it to the point of failure and then point fingers at suppliers and materials instead of admitting when the design is a problem, and more importantly, trying to figure out WHAT about the design is the problem instead of just taking a shot in the dark at another design and hoping it doesn't have the same problem.

:frownthre

[QUOTE=Kev M;1061147]Well, from a marketing standpoint - IF that's true they should have waited to announce it.

Agreed, but they are big now, and given the current market, they may be looking for ways to keep the ball rolling and doing whatever it takes to keep the MoCo at the level it is currently operating at.





They design something, run it to the point of failure and then point fingers at suppliers and materials instead of admitting when the design is a problem, and more importantly, trying to figure out WHAT about the design is the problem instead of just taking a shot in the dark at another design and hoping it doesn't have the same problem.

It's probably just the final little tweaks needed to keep the press and public off their backs. The whole design and motor aren't anything revolutionary or new. So it's probably something like fuel injection tweaks and final suspension valving, or making sure the exhaust sounds just right while still being compliant, that may be holding things up, I would think. The whole design as seen by the MoCo and the rest of the world, is probably a big gamble( not to us Sportster faithful though), so I'm sure they don't want the press and nay-sayers ripping it apart for something like a stupid FI stumble or something. That's what I'm thinking. Bad nit-picky press reviews would kill sales and since the bike already isn't attractive to the "Harley faithful", I'm sure they don't want a XLCR (yes, I loved them too) type sales flop.
Otherwise, I'd have to say what the !!!!!!!* is the hold up?!

Well, from a marketing standpoint - IF that's true they should have waited to announce it.

From a rider's standpoint - I don't give 2 craps what it looks like (past a reasonable point) IF IT FUNCTIONS!

It's that last part that scares me.

Cause I've heard insider stories about how HD R&D/Engineering works.

They design something, run it to the point of failure and then point fingers at suppliers and materials instead of admitting when the design is a problem, and more importantly, trying to figure out WHAT about the design is the problem instead of just taking a shot in the dark at another design and hoping it doesn't have the same problem.

:frownthre

HD does have a history of releasing products before they're entirely ready. Whenever I read about HD history it seems like the first year or two of any moderate-to-big change turns their dealer network and early-adopter customers into an unpaid extension of HD R&D...

Chrisg, HOPEFULLY you're right, but I've been hearing things (granted, they've been whisper down the lane so they could be total crap) that make it sound like it's worse than that.

Again, that take on their engineering came directly FROM one of their engineers. If you use a process like that, when a part fails in testing, you can get repeated failure each time you try something new because you're shotgunning it instead of getting to the root of the problem.

That COULD potentially cause a delay like that that isn't all that minor.

K

Again, that take on their engineering came directly FROM one of their engineers. If you use a process like that, when a part fails in testing, you can get repeated failure each time you try something new because you're shotgunning it instead of getting to the root of the problem.

K


I'd hope they are a little smarter than that, and that that is just the veiw of one person, but if not:doh

That is a fake or a prototype. There are no production bikes on the street that have been released to the public. They are still being test built one at a time.

AW

For one the XR 1200 that is sitting in the HD here in Bamberg Germany the motor is blacked out and they are definatly going to hit the market here in April this year.I posted in a different thread not to long ago that one has been sitting on the showroom floor for about 3 months or so.I am waiting till they are officially on the market so I can test drive it.

I'd hope they are a little smarter than that, and that that is just the veiw of one person, but if not:doh

Unfortunately that take on their engineering was cooberated by another engineer from one of their vendors... :frownthre

Unfortunately that take on their engineering was cooberated by another engineer from one of their vendors... :frownthre

Well, maybe they should just ride one down to Mr. Buell's place this week and get s**t handled.

Well, maybe they should just ride one down to Mr. Buell's place this week and get s**t handled.

:clap :clap :clap

For one the XR 1200 that is sitting in the HD here in Bamberg Germany the motor is blacked out and they are definatly going to hit the market here in April this year.I posted in a different thread not to long ago that one has been sitting on the showroom floor for about 3 months or so.I am waiting till they are officially on the market so I can test drive it.Hi, here in Holland the dealers are still saying...maybe in April the first xr1200 deleviry so .....i,m still waiting :D


Habe sie im Bamberg werklich gesagt das er bestimt komt im April ?
ich habe da uber im Deutschland auch noch nichts gelesen weiter.
Auch nicht beim Sporty forum bis heute glaube ich.

Vielleicht steht der definitieve(fertig meine ich )xr1200 im Februar auf der meesegelande im Dortmund ?

gr xr1200

hi all!

Mi name is fabien. i am from France (I know! nobody is perfect).. Just to let you know that i did order the XR1200 2 weeks ago for a delivery in may.:banana

I was asking the sales man about "how many XR1200" were already ordered in France. The answer was "around 150 already".. The bike is not in store right now so i think it is quite a good news for the coming success of this bike. This news is pretty accurate because i get it from an Harley Shop and the guy is automatically log to the harley davidson french accounting and ordering system.:smoke

So i am quite confident that the success in Europe will be there and that this motorbike will hit the US market soon as well.:clap :banana

hi all!

Mi name is fabien. i am from France (I know! nobody is perfect).. Just to let you know that i did order the XR1200 2 weeks ago for a delivery in may.:banana

I was asking the sales man about "how many XR1200" were already ordered in France. The answer was "around 150 already".. The bike is not in store right now so i think it is quite a good news for the coming success of this bike. This news is pretty accurate because i get it from an Harley Shop and the guy is automatically log to the harley davidson french accounting and ordering system.:smoke

So i am quite confident that the success in Europe will be there and that this motorbike will hit the US market soon as well.:clap :banana

That is good news.

Welcome to the board!

and

RIDE SAFE

Kev

Thanks a lot Kev!
:)


One more thing that i could had is that i have some friends who wish to buy this bike as well.. These guys are actually riding on different roadster!!! Roadster are very popular here and we were missing one from Harley.. When they knew that one will be hitting the market soon, they have been on youtube to check the prototype.. Now 30% of them want to move to this one and are waiting for me to get the first one and try it..

I think that a fair amount of riders with japanese roadster will move to this bike and not only the buell "aficionados".. For us getting the famous brand of "harley davidson" on our roadster is fantastic..

Thanks for your warm welcome

Fabien.

hi all!

Mi name is fabien. i am from France (I know! nobody is perfect).. Just to let you know that i did order the XR1200 2 weeks ago for a delivery in may.:banana

I was asking the sales man about "how many XR1200" were already ordered in France. The answer was "around 150 already".. The bike is not in store right now so i think it is quite a good news for the coming success of this bike. This news is pretty accurate because i get it from an Harley Shop and the guy is automatically log to the harley davidson french accounting and ordering system.:smoke

So i am quite confident that the success in Europe will be there and that this motorbike will hit the US market soon as well.:clap :bananaFabien, welcome to the Forum!

hi all!

Mi name is fabien. i am from France (I know! nobody is perfect).. Just to let you know that i did order the XR1200 2 weeks ago for a delivery in may.:banana

I was asking the sales man about "how many XR1200" were already ordered in France. The answer was "around 150 already".. The bike is not in store right now so i think it is quite a good news for the coming success of this bike. This news is pretty accurate because i get it from an Harley Shop and the guy is automatically log to the harley davidson french accounting and ordering system.:smoke

So i am quite confident that the success in Europe will be there and that this motorbike will hit the US market soon as well.:clap :bananaHi Fabien welvcome here from Holland ...French...is okay and you wright in Englisch so...better than in French i gues brecause i cannot read that .
i ordered also an xr1200 but here in Holland i don,t now how many are sold now but at least not 150 i think 15 :D

150 already sold is realy a lot but better because than the aftermarket is also coming quick in France i guess.

gr xr1200

I hope this bike comes to the US!! Lets hear some ride reviews when you guys get one!!

I hope this bike comes to the US!! Lets hear some ride reviews when you guys get one!!yep....if they arrived here and i have it here at home than....i let the people here for sure know how it feels and rides.

gr xr1200