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pooleo
11th April 2012, 22:56
Not sure what to make of this. I got my bike out from winter storage and noticed this giant crack in the sidewall today. Bike was stored in a geated garage and tires were off the ground all winter.

I contacted the shop I bought them from. Sent out the pictures today. Metzler has a liftetime warranty on the tire, so hopefully it gets replaced.

Any ideas on what/why this happened or just chalk it up to manufacture defect?

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2621.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2620.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2617.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2616.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2615.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2614.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2613.jpg

maru
11th April 2012, 23:20
Get rid of that tire. M made a bunch of them, I believe in Brazil and they have had issues. They start out looking like yours and then the sidewalls fail. Although your tire was made in Germany, it is acting just like the tires that had issues. steve

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/wheels-tires-and-brakes/316082-metzeler-tire-recall.html

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/general-harley-davidson-chat/154124-check-your-metzler-tires-brazil.html

ttp://www.bmwlt.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-62413.html

http://car-and-safety.com/metzler-metzler-safety/metzler-metzler-9999.htm#10049390&search=failure%20of%20rear%20tire%20on%20motorcycl e.%20%20separation%20of%20sidewall%20from%20tread. %20*ak

Old Goat Ninja
11th April 2012, 23:34
+1 Yeah, looks terrible. I wouldn't ride on it.

tmack-1
11th April 2012, 23:46
Definitely looks like a manufacturing flaw. Look how the crack is less at the molded in bumps (letters and circle thingy).

And, don't ride it. That would be a catastrophic blow-out and it looks like the front tire. If so, you would loose almost all your steering. Even if you had a tube in it, the wobble from it letting go would still be real bad to handle.

pooleo
12th April 2012, 00:02
I just got my bottom mount headlight and so begins that install and a rewire of my bike. (Moving the plugs from the headlight under the seat) so the bike will be down for awhile. It is the rear tire. Front seems to be ok.

BWP 5p
12th April 2012, 00:14
I agree with everyone.......Make them replace it.......and PAY for the labor too!:doh
That's insane for a relatively new tire to do that!:frownthre:frownthre

maru
12th April 2012, 00:15
I run one of those on the rear of my Guzzi, in fact I have run several. I have never had an issue and will buy another, but I look at them from time to time because I am aware of the problem.

pooleo
18th April 2012, 13:59
UPDATE!:

I took the tire to my local dealer. Metzler is sending a guy to pick the tire up and take it to the factory/shop in Tennesse! Once there it will take 5-10 days to determine if the tire is warranty-able. If/when they find the tire defecto, they will send a credit to my dealer. Then the credit will be forwarded towards myself.

I ended up buying a shinko SR777. I have read mixed reviews about the tire, so well see how it runs out.

gusotto
18th April 2012, 14:43
What was the manufacture date, molded into the tire?

Rascal
18th April 2012, 14:44
Good eye, glad you caught this potential disaster waiting to happen.

pooleo
18th April 2012, 20:27
What was the manufacture date, molded into the tire?

I think the date code was 0110. So First week of 2010.

mycle1000
20th April 2012, 07:34
Also, be aware that ozone can cause cracks in the rubber. Was your heated storage area near any electric motors? i'm sure the manufacturer will try any way they can to get out of paying for a $100+ tire.

XLHHillbilly
20th April 2012, 19:16
It doesn't look like a crack to me looks more like its rubbed something sharp but thats just my .02

KevinJ
20th April 2012, 19:27
It doesn't look like a crack to me looks more like its rubbed something sharp but thats just my .02

+1

I've seen a few jacka$$es remove the plastic wraps on new tyres with a razor, cutting in the sidewalls and tread.

pooleo
20th April 2012, 19:43
I dont know what it could have rubbed? I thought the same thing at first. I checked all around and up inside and there is nothing that comes close to rubbing on the tire. The little rubber flap on the belt guard I think could hit the tire. But nothing that would "slice" the tire.

XLHHillbilly
20th April 2012, 19:50
+1

I've seen a few jacka$$es remove the plastic wraps on new tyres with a razor, cutting in the sidewalls and tread.

That's exactly what it looks like to me, probably wasn't noticable when the tire was new but after setting a while its started seperating. Not saying that's what the cause is but sure looks that way.

pooleo
20th April 2012, 19:53
fwiw, my tires were shipped with cardboard on the insides and wrapped only 3 spots with the wrap. I cut it off between the two tires, I assure you its not a slice from a razor blade.

rejeanprimeau
20th April 2012, 19:53
The battery tender can also be the ozone generating factor. Alway keep that gizmo far from the tire or the bike.

XLHHillbilly
20th April 2012, 20:03
Cracks generally stay in a straight line around the tire that line goes up and down the side wall. Could it have possibly happened when they balanced the tire if it was spun balanced? if you look closely at the pictures you can see even in the raised areas there is a cut line. If in fact the tire was cracking there would be more evidence i would think in the deep part of the tread. just trying to help you determine the cause because the manufacturer will find the answer and if its not their fault you will have to buy another.

pooleo
20th April 2012, 20:10
I know :( I have already bought another tire. I assume they will come up with anything not to warranty it. BUT, the pic does not show the whole story. You can follow the crack to its end, and clearly see the line continue in the sidewall, it just has not cracked yet. The guys at the dealer said they also felt it was a defect. Its almost like you can see the defect in the way the tire was made.

norseXL
20th April 2012, 20:12
I have seen tires crack at multiple places when taken in from the cold, like 30C and thrown on the floor. exspessially sport-bike tires get wery hard in the cold it seems.

XLHHillbilly
20th April 2012, 20:13
I hope all works out well for you. And i agree you can see areas where there is no crack but still see the line its very possible it had a flaw in the mold of the tire and surely they will make it right if that is the case.

XLHHillbilly
20th April 2012, 20:14
I have seen tires crack at multiple places when taken in from the cold, like 30C and thrown on the floor. exspessially sport-bike tires get wery hard in the cold it seems.

I agree i've seen the same thing but they can be cracked all over but the line along the sidewall stays uniform.

pooleo
20th April 2012, 20:16
Here is a pic of where the line goes.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/tire3.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2621.jpg


http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/tire4.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/DSCN2616.jpg

pooleo
20th April 2012, 20:19
Also, right here: The tire is not cut, but you can clearly see where its about to burst! :doh

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh315/pooleo8/Bike/tire5.jpg

XLHHillbilly
20th April 2012, 20:19
It almost looks like it got a piece of the cord from the tread under the sidewall during the molding process.

wedge
20th April 2012, 20:20
It looks like a defect to me, especially where you can see that it looks like just a line where it is not yet cracked.

I think those tires are great otherwise though, and they would maybe give you more benefit of any doubt if you had bought another Metzler instead of going for another brand, but that is yet to be seen.

Good luck bro.

pooleo
20th April 2012, 20:20
It almost looks like it got a piece of the cord from the tread under the sidewall during the molding process.

That is a good theroy :banadanc

pooleo
20th April 2012, 20:22
It looks like a defect to me, especially where you can see that it looks like just a line where it is not yet cracked.

I think those tires are great otherwise though, and they would maybe give you more benefit of any doubt if you had bought another Metzler instead of going for another brand, but that is yet to be seen.

Good luck bro.

I agree, but my local dealer doesnt "deal" in metzler and said it would have taken about a week to get another metz in. Going on a ride this weekend so had to settle with another. I suppose I could have kept the metz and hoped it didnt blow out! :clap

wedge
20th April 2012, 20:41
I agree, but my local dealer doesnt "deal" in metzler and said it would have taken about a week to get another metz in. Going on a ride this weekend so had to settle with another. I suppose I could have kept the metz and hoped it didnt blow out! :clap

LOL, then you could have ended up looking like your avitar... :laugh

I'm thinking you made the best choice. Hope it's a great weekend ride bro.

racerwill
21st April 2012, 22:38
agreed with Mr. wedge......the reason there's a straight line all the way around is that's a casting mold line.... and the crack is following it, clearly a mfgr's defect.....it doesn't follow through the date stamp because that's branded into the side ......the crack doesn't mean imminent danger tho, that crack is only in the outer cover, it's not cracked because the cordage in the sidewall is weakening and you would have been in a much better position for money back if you chose to stay with Metz....... I know you bought the Shinko for safety and availability..... hopefully Metz will cut you a check....

Ww

Roush
22nd April 2012, 01:21
I jus replaced my 1 yrold Metz ME 880 due to the front tire having cracks in the treads and the rear that worn out with only 7K miles on it. I went with the metz cause alot of guys got 10-12K miles without any issues and yes I ran air pressures to what Metz recomends. I would contact the company but I know how it is dealing with a tire company (auto tech at a dealership) and don't want to deal with the BS. I ended up going with Mich commanders II so we'll see how they last.

pooleo
22nd April 2012, 03:11
So far I like these shinkos. They feel like they bite better than the metz. The tire feels, sticky...I guess. First impressions are gewd!

rottenralph
22nd April 2012, 03:51
I like my Shinko Podiums and they look better than your Metzler. Hopefully they send you a new tire but I would not place a lot of hope in that.

pooleo
18th December 2012, 15:05
UPDATE!

I finally, TODAY! got a replacement tire from metzeler. Good thing I did not wait on them before purchasing a new tire! lolz

So, I guess, buyer beware. While the did honor their warranty, it took 8 months to get a replacement!

sprink
19th December 2012, 00:57
Good and bad news. Glad they took care of it, but now that they have I would be raising hell about why it took so long!

BWP 5p
28th December 2012, 15:48
Good and bad news. Glad they took care of it, but now that they have I would be raising hell about why it took so long!

Yep.....That's unacceptable Customer Service! Did they take and examine the bad tire? If that's the case I imagine they sent it to their lab for analysis, and if there was an entire batch made like that.......they might be peeing down their leg over any potential blowouts, etc.:rolleyes:

xllent01
28th December 2012, 17:30
UPDATE!

I finally, TODAY! got a replacement tire from metzeler. Good thing I did not wait on them before purchasing a new tire! lolz

So, I guess, buyer beware. While the did honor their warranty, it took 8 months to get a replacement!

Still holding your breath... Be the last tire I'd buy from Metz..:frownthre