WBC to picket funeral of Army Sgt. Marshall A. Westbrook - at 11 a.m. Wednesday Oct. 12, at the Farmington Civic Center, Farmington, N.M.

WBC to picket funeral of Army Spc. Jacob Vanderbosch - at 11 a.m. Thur. Oct. 13, at St. Mark's Lutheran Church, 2499 Helen St. N., North St. Paul, Minn. Killed Oct. 3, by an Iraqi IED

WBC to picket funeral of Army Pfc. Benny S. Franklin - at 11 a.m. Mon, Oct. 17, at Emanuel 7th Day Adventist Church, 702 N. Cherry St., Hammond, La. Killed Oct. 7, by Afghan IED

If you are around these areas, take part in our national effort to shut this scumbag down.

Let me Know when he thinks of coming to New england. I will be there!

me too....:boxing:madtwo

Same in AZ.
If you have a list of locations please post all of them and update.
Thanks

Also N. Ga., East Tenn, SW N.C.

As I learn more, I will keep posting them.

I know who he is, but why is he picketing these funerals?

Cause he is a !!!!ING ASS...sorry just had to get it out.

He actully believes that the reason why so many American heroes are dying in the War on Terrorism is because the US Military has homosexuals in it.

From Wikipedia

"Fred Waldron Phelps (born November 13, 1929) is the highly controversial leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, an alleged cult based in Topeka, Kansas, United States. The church is located in the basement of his home, which is located inside of a block-wide, fenced compound, the other houses in which are occupied by nine of his thirteen children. Phelps claims that he is a prophet sent to tell the world of the supreme hatred of God, and that only he and the members of Westboro have any hope of going to Heaven. The group, which has roughly 100 members, 90% of whom are related to Phelps through blood or marriage, is built around an anti-homosexual core theology, with much of Phelps' activities stemming from a mantra that "God hates fags." Gay rights activists, as well as both mainstream and fundamentalist Christians, have denounced him as a producer of anti-gay propaganda and violence-inspiring hate speech.

Four of his children, his sister, former congregants of his church, enemies, acquaintances, and other pastors who have worked with Phelps claim that he abuses both his children and wife and may have been instrumental in the death of his 17-year old daughter-in-law Debbie Valgos, the first wife of his son, Fred Phelps Jr. Most of these claims are denied by their other siblings, who are not estranged from Phelps. Several of Phelps' estranged family members, staff members from Bob Jones University, and the minister who ordained him, all claim that Phelps suffers from a mental illness that leaves him unsatisfied with life unless he can be responsible for the suffering of other human beings"

Post any inSoCal, even Western AZ please.

Someone should make this a sticky with all the dates announced. That way it would be easier to keep track of the updated dates and places. If they come anywhere around me I'm there for sure.

WBC to picket funeral of Army Spc. Jacob Vanderbosch - at 11 a.m. Thur. Oct. 13, at St. Mark's Lutheran Church, 2499 Helen St. N., North St. Paul, Minn. Killed Oct. 3, by an Iraqi IED

If you are around these areas, take part in our national effort to shut this scumbag down.
Preach I can't say this any more seriously. Whom do I contact locally? I live about 1/2 hour from St. Paul and I work in the twin cities. I need more information please...

Preach I can't say this any more seriously. Whom do I contact locally? I live about 1/2 hour from St. Paul and I work in the twin cities. I need more information please...

I'll find out who we have in that area and let them know you want to help. I'll come back as soon as I can with info!

Topeka, eh?
Very soon (I'll not announce the date) the local HOG chapter is going to assist the Shriners in escourting busses of servicemen returning from Iraq, from Ft. Riley to (censored).

I wonder if this has something to do with preventing Phelps from doing anything......

i found out too late to get to Farmington, but saw no mention of them on the news. rachel@godhatesamerica.com is one I've swapped venom with.

Claremore Progress

VFW motorcycles drown out protestors
By Linda Martin - Date: 2005-10-12 17:19:35




CHELSEA — God spoke with the roar of revving motorcycle engines during a protest Tuesday by six members of a Kansas church that believes God is punishing the U.S. for protecting homosexuals by killing soldiers overseas.
Chelsea residents, however, believed God spoke on their behalf as the engines of more than 100 Veterans of Foreign Wars motorcycles drowned out the voices of the Westboro Baptist Church members who were allowed to protest from 1-1:30 p.m. before the 2 p.m. funeral services for Staff Sgt. John Glen Doles.
The protesters were escorted by police from the Chelsea Police Station to and from the protest site at the corner of Sixth and Vine streets a half block away. They left immediately after the protest, said Chelsea Police Chief Kenny Kelsey.
Chelsea’s main street was lined with American Flags in honor of Doles, who was killed when he and five others were ambushed by enemy fire last week in Afghanistan. He was laid to rest with honors in a small cemetery southeast of Chelsea.
Town and local law enforcement consisting of Chelsea police, the Rogers County Sheriff’s Department and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol made good their intent that nothing would disrupt funeral services for the local hero and his family.
Chelsea Mayor Kenny Weast said he received a fax last Tuesday saying church members would be in Chelsea to protest at the funeral.
Weast contacted local law enforcement and a successful plan was devised.
Said Weast: “We planned for the worst and hoped for the best.”
Weast’s own feelings about the protest, however resonated those of the town.
“What a tragedy to have a group like this protest the day of the funeral, one of the hardest days this family will have. It makes me sick,” he said.
Kelsey, Chelsea’s chief for six months, said neither set of protesters “were allowed to cross the street and every body stuck to it.”
The American Legion Riders from Southeast Kansas, which represented a number of Kansas towns and communities along with members of other organized motorcycle groups, attended the funeral to protest the protesters.
But the No. 1 reason was to show support for Staff Sgt. Doles and his family and to oppose Fred Phelps, who is the leader of the anti-homosexual group.
The bikers succeeded in keeping the protesters out of sight and sound of the Doles family but for anyone else close enough to see their brightly colored signs spoke loud and clear: “GOD IS YOU OR ENEMY; GOD HATES THE USA; GOD IS AN AMERICAN TERRORIST; TOO LATE TO PRAY; THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS; YOU’RE GOING TO HELL; GOD HAS SPOKEN IT’S NOT A BLESSING IT’S A CURSE and AMERICA IS DOOMED.”
The locals had a couple of signs of their own. Three older women held up a white sheet that said “SHOW AMAZING GRACE” and two young people held a cardboard sign saying “YE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.”
John B. Milam, a Chelsea native, said of his feelings about the protest, “I have no respect for anyone who has no respect for the dead.”
Wilma Fraley said, “I just think the family deserves a quiet, peaceful funeral for their hero. Thank God for the (local) people coming out to do this (show their support).”
At the cemetery, which was void of protesters, Doles’ team leader and 14 other fellow soldiers from Fort Polk in Louisiana who either trained or served with Doles attended the funeral.
Staff Sgt. Adam Oliver, Doles’ team leader, said, Doles “was the hardest worker I’ve ever seen in my life. He was one of those guys that everybody liked and probably the best soldier I’ve ever been in charge of. He was always willing to go the distance and beyond without ever being asked.”

Staff Sgt. Stephen Podymaitis, said “I’m just a better man for having known him.”
Podymaitis said he and his family lived next door to Doles and his family and their two sons practically grew up together.

“He brought happiness to everybody’s life,” Podymaitis said. Still in disbelief that his friend is gone Podymaitis said: “He’s a brother in arms and a brother in heart.”


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Claremore Progress
http://www.claremoreprogress.com

The URL for this story is:
http://www.claremoreprogress.com/archive/article22505

Thanks for sharing that news story!

I remember a couple of years ago when this clown sent some of hs followers to picket a church in my nieborhood, along with a few others in town and the Buddy Holly museum.

No one can tell me to this day why. It was just a normal Babtist church, and so were all the others they were harrasing. God only knows what he has against Buddy Holly.

I tried to arrange a counter protest and even rode over on my bike to voice my opinion. No one else would go because their were ten cops following this bunch around to assure no tried to harm them.

...Phelps claims that he is a prophet sent to tell the world of the supreme hatred of God, and that only he and the members of Westboro have any hope of going to Heaven....

How do people think this sh!t up ????

Maybe different biker groups should plan road trips to where they'd happen to be outside Phelp's church every Sunday! "An Eye for an Eye..."

Here is a list of locations so far:

Date
Time
City
Location

October 13, 2005
10:00 am – 11:00 am
North St. Paul, MN
St. Mark's Lutheran Church, 2499 Helen St. N., for funeral of Army Spc. Jacob Vanderbosch

October 14, 2005
12:30 pm - 1:00 pm
Maryville, TN
Smith Mortuary, 1402 Tuckaleechee Pike, for the visitation of Eric Fifer.

October 16, 2005
9:00 am – 9:30 am
Oklahoma City, OK
First Southern Baptist Church of Del City, 6400 Sooner Rd. for Rep./Rev. Paul Wesselhoft

October 17, 2005
10:00 am – 11:00 am
Hammond, LA
Emanuel 7th Day Adventist Church, 702 N. Cherry St., for funeral of Army Pfc. Benny S. Franklin

October 19, 2005
4:30 pm – 5:00 pm
Carbondale, IL
Southern Illinoisian, 710 N. Illinois Ave.

October 19, 2005
5:00 pm – 7:00 pm
Carbondale, IL
Southern Illinois University, at the intersection of Lincoln Dr. & S. Illinois Ave., for Judy Shepard

October 22, 2005
7:00 pm – 7:30 pm
Newton, MA
Newton South High School, 140 Brandeis Rd., for The Laramie Project

April, 2006
TBD
Tracy, CA
Fag Prom planned by GSA of Tracy and West High Schools



You can find it here:
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/fliers/Picket_Information.html

Where does this guy get his funding? His congregation sounds like it only consists of his immediate family and maybe a few stragglers...perhaps the cost of fuel for his van will slow him down...

The Doles family and his wife wrote into the 173rd Airborne message boards expressing their gratitude to the bikers for their help.

Name: doles family
Email: 222
Date: 10/12/05
Time: 18:12:03


Message
to all our new found airborne family, thanks and love to you.. wanted to send along some websites of the newspapers that covered John's funeral(and the protesters).. you can not believe the signs the jerks were holding up unless you see it in print.. www.claremoreprogress.com Wednesday, October 12, 2005 issue.. www.TULSAWORLD.com October, 12, 2005 issue also.. SSG. Pier is seen in one paper and his wife Veryleen in the other. they will always be our family now.. Pier's-- know that we will always be in debted to you for all the sacrifices you made to get Johnny home safely and to get Heather and the children back to us..love to all the sky soldiers... hooah!!!!!


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Name: heather doles
Email: hrleigh2@yahoo.com
Date: 10/12/05
Time: 18:06:29


Message
to the Ezernack family, i am so sorry for your loss. we just buried my husband yesterday and then i click on here today and hear of your loss.. my wounds are still so fresh and yet, my heart breaks again hearing of your tragedy.. i can't tell you how to cope because i am just beginning to cope myself.. but, if you would like to correspond, my e-mail is above. also, be prepared for the stupid anti-war protesters having a little rally on the day you bury your loved one.. they did it here but thankfully, there were VFW motorcycle groups here to drowned out their hate.. i'm sure they will come up to Arlington as well. may god be with your family and again, i'm sorry for your loss.



You can see the posts here (scroll down about half-way)
http://www.173rdairborne.com/1-afghannews.htm

For those interested and able to make the run to Hammond, LA., to Honor PFC Franklin, the following information is submitted.

Monday October 17th. The physical address where the services with full military honors will be performed is; 1401 Harrell Ave., Hammond, LA.

Route A
City folks will meet at the Westbank HD shop with a departure scheduled for 7:45 AM Traveling across the GNO (Crescent City Connection), and taking I-10 West towards Baton Rouge. We will take exit 209 (LaPlace, Houma and several West Jefferson Parish riders), and pick up other riders at the Texaco Truck Stop and immediately {8:30 AM at the latest} proceed on I-55 North to Hammond. On I-55 North we will exit at 29A and jump onto I-12 East, going about 2 -3 miles and take exit 40 to the Petro Travel Plaza on the right. This should put us at the truck plaza at approximately 9:30 AM.

Route B
Once in Baton Rouge get on I-12 East. Hammond is approximately 40 miles East. Take exit 40 and proceed to the Petro Travel Center where the various groups and individual will assemble.


Meet at the Petro Travel Center NLT 9:45 AM Monday Oct. 17th

A 10 AM escort provided by the City of Hammond PD will take us directly to the church. Services are scheduled for 11 AM.

There's a site called Fred Phelps Expose' that has a lot of info about what makes Fred tick.

ummmm....link?

How do people think this sh!t up ????

Helps to be batshit insane. :frownthre

ummmm....link?Sorry Bert. Haven't figured out that link stuff yet. Copy and paste... Fred Phelps Expose' ... to the keyword search and it should come up.

Sounds like somebody needs to be strapped to the front end of a Jeep and taken through 40 acres of misquite at a high rate of speed.

I wish the Hacker scene was still around like it used to be. I remember when god hates fags got taken out some years back...I think they had a pick of a dude pokin a rooster! **EDIT Its the KK site http://www.2600.com/hacked_pages/1999/08/www.kkklan.com/**

Good 'ol Hacktivist...

Adios

For those interested and able to make the run to Hammond, LA., to Honor PFC Franklin, the following information is submitted.

Monday October 17th. The physical address where the services with full military honors will be performed is; 1401 Harrell Ave., Hammond, LA.

Route A
City folks will meet at the Westbank HD shop with a departure scheduled for 7:45 AM Traveling across the GNO (Crescent City Connection), and taking I-10 West towards Baton Rouge. We will take exit 209 (LaPlace, Houma and several West Jefferson Parish riders), and pick up other riders at the Texaco Truck Stop and immediately {8:30 AM at the latest} proceed on I-55 North to Hammond. On I-55 North we will exit at 29A and jump onto I-12 East, going about 2 -3 miles and take exit 40 to the Petro Travel Plaza on the right. This should put us at the truck plaza at approximately 9:30 AM.

Route B
Once in Baton Rouge get on I-12 East. Hammond is approximately 40 miles East. Take exit 40 and proceed to the Petro Travel Center where the various groups and individual will assemble.


Meet at the Petro Travel Center NLT 9:45 AM Monday Oct. 17th

A 10 AM escort provided by the City of Hammond PD will take us directly to the church. Services are scheduled for 11 AM.
If I didn't have to be back in Mississippi tomorrow, I'd be there Monday in a heartbeat. That's about 20 miles from my home.

Let me know if that ShitBag comes to the San Antonio, Austin areas!!!!

Maybe he's afraid to come down here, or a least he should be!!!:D

I kinda like whispanic's idea about the Jeep!!!:laugh :laugh :laugh

Sorry Bert. Haven't figured out that link stuff yet. Copy and paste... Fred Phelps Expose' ... to the keyword search and it should come up.

Here it is. Good reading.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/michael_haggerty/expose3.htm

The group, which has roughly 100 members, 90% of whom are related to Phelps through blood or marriage, is built around an anti-homosexual core theology, with much of Phelps' activities stemming from a mantra that "God hates fags."
Four of his children, his sister, former congregants of his church, enemies, acquaintances, and other pastors who have worked with Phelps claim that he abuses both his children and wife and may have been instrumental in the death of his 17-year old daughter-in-law Debbie Valgos, the first wife of his son, Fred Phelps Jr. Most of these claims are denied by their other siblings, who are not estranged from Phelps. Several of Phelps' estranged family members, staff members from Bob Jones University, and the minister who ordained him, all claim that Phelps suffers from a mental illness that leaves him unsatisfied with life unless he can be responsible for the suffering of other human beings"

Is ANYONE reading this????
This is very f:censor ing scary. Does this ring a bell with anyone????
Come on America, WTF are you doing??
This is reminiscent of, dare I say it,




W A C O


Why aren't the authorities stepping in here?????

Sounds exactly the same to me.

Our government picks and chooses it's battles...

Preacher, if he's ever near Charlotte let me know and I'll be there.

Preacher, if he's ever near Charlotte let me know and I'll be there.

You got it Chuck!

built around an anti-homosexual core theology,

Phelps suffers from a mental illness that leaves him unsatisfied with life

He actully believes that the reason why so many American heroes are dying in the War on Terrorism is because the US Military has homosexuals in it.

This is a sad excuse for a human being. I suspect he'll piss off the wrong people one day.

The ironic part is the sick bastard doesn't realize that these boys are dying to protect his right to be an asshole.

Our government picks and chooses it's battles...
Of that I have no doubts but I will NEVER allow my feelings about such things to infect my admiration for the boys that have to do the job.

The Government can't really do much about them unless they commit an act of violence or are involved in some criminal activity. That's the Catch 22 of free speech. Fortunately we have our voice too, and it is considerably louder, prouder, and larger, than this tiny group of freaks. Personally there's not near enough I can do to support our Troops. I wish to God I was with them. I'd like to tell a little story here. Back during the first Gulf War, I was down in Old Town here in Albuq. There was a guy I knew down there, that had a flute he'd play for extra money. He did it mosly because he enjoyed it, and would gather pretty good crowds. He asked for requests, and a man in the crowd spoke out and said, " I'd like you to play America the Beautiful so that our Troops can hear it over in Iraq". the crowd fell completely silent, and he began playing. I'd never heard him put so much heart into a song, and the crowd was totally captivated. There were a lot of tears as we remembered why we had the freedom we do. So when you twist that throttle to drown out the W.B.C., make sure you do it loud and proud enough for our Troops to hear it, and know it's for them. Thanks

On the lighter side, we just got done escorting a couple of bus-loads of servicemen and women who just returned from Iraq. Phelps did not show, and all went well. there were 170 to 200 bikes. We all tooted our horns and clapped as they got off the buses to greet their families.

Hardly a dry eye was seen.

Several came around and thanked us. One Major shook every guy's hand and hugged every woman. Poor guy was bawling.

It was well worth the highway miles and all the waits, to give them a homecoming much different that those that folks got coming home from Viet-Nam.

Yeah Dusty J, a lot different then in my day. But that's in the past.

As far as Phelp's goes, he's a self-appointed messiah that pickets to gain attention for himself. Wherever there is a supposed gay event, funeral, whatever, Phelp's or some of his lunatic followers will be there.

They picketed Matthew Shephard's funeral, the boy who was killed by two other men for being gay. (Matt is the subject of "The Laramie Project", an HBO movie).

Phelps is a lunatic, pure and simple.

If he shows up here, he's toast. He'd better not picket my church. Period.

You tell 'em Padre!!

If you read up on the Phelps family it is really strange how almost every single kid of his has a law degree. The children that actually stayed with him have bought up all the houses around the original Phelps house and they have built up a compound with similarities to David Koresh and the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX.

There are a few of his 13 kids that have left the family and now tell about the years of physical abuse that Fred Phelps doled out to the kids and his wife.

Apparently he is a man full of hate and the hate used to be taken out on the kids, but now that all the kids are grown the only place he can vent his hate towards is society itself. I have not finished reading the entire article yet as it is very long but it is a very interesting read.

I foresee this man becoming more and more insane and dangerous. It is just a matter of time before this all will reach a point where the local, state and national governement, or the public itself, will get tired of his antics and take him out.

I foresee this man becoming more and more insane and dangerous. It is just a matter of time before this all will reach a point where the local, state and national governement, or the public itself, will get tired of his antics and take him out.
I agree Bert. Unfortunately it could mean waiting until such time as he seriously hurts somebody, or even worse.
I'm a realist so I know there's not much that can be done but sheesh, it'd be nice to be able to act in cases such as this to prevent a disaster. Just how you go about that without infringing on someones civil liberties remains a mystery.

Yesterday!!! ( Not me, some of my bretheren.)

We made the trip out to Tonganoxie Kansas tonight to see if we couldn't piss off a few Christian hypocrites. I think we succeeded.

It was very short notice for everyone to get there so when we left it just me and Alky. They were already set up with the normal sign shit. We found the Chief of Police to let him know what we were doing, come to find out the Chief is also a Sgt Major that Twitch served with. Any he told us we could do pretty much what we wanted.. So we had a CVMA banner 5 X 12 (that's feet) which we hung up facing the morons. We wanted to make sure they knew who was there to rain on the parade.

By the time that was done there were several more bikers who had arrived. Maybe 15 all total. We were initially told to park our bikes across the street but after awhile they some how got parked in front of the morons. I ain't sure but I think someone pulled an Ultra in front of them with 3 by 5 flags waving in the breeze. After that all of them were there. And wouldn't you know one guy just had a set of new pipes he wanted everyone to hear. Before long all of the them were revving up to help better appreciate free flow pipes. Most of the LEOs had to put their fingers in their hears. It was loud. And they didn't do much singing after that. ?They couldn't since there wasn't much wind and the exhaust fumes got very thick in their little area.LOL

The great part of this was all during the display of horse power we had people coming to thank us. Some stopped their cars. We had the city administrator, the Fire Chief, City councilman and to many regular folks to count shook our hands or gave us hugs. I think Twitch made the 10pm news, I am sure the banner got seen.

The last folks to come see us were the family members, Brothers I lost it when the sister in law gave me a hung and started crying while thanking me.

By the way those of you who know Gypsy know she can get angry, but I had to actually restrain the lady from going after one of the morons. I don't think I have ever seen her that fired up.

Again any time we can ruin their sick ass protests we have to be there.


ride safe,

Gunner

Latest and greatest list:

WBC to picket Oklahoma State Senators Mary Easley & Mike Mazzel, on Sunday, Oct. 23 - at Easley's First Baptist Church, 403 S. Cincinnati Ave., at 9:15 a.m.; and, Mazzel's Asbury Methodist Church, 6767 S. Mingo Rd., at 10:30 a.m.

WBC to picket Lindsborg, Kansas, ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church), and Bethany College - at Mikhail Gorbachev's speech - at 7 p.m., Saturday, October 29, at Presser Hall Auditorium, Lindsborg, Kan.,

WBC to picket The Laramie Project University of Michigan - at 8 p.m., Sat. Nov. 19, Lydia Mendelssohn Theatre, University of Michigan at Ann Arbor

WBC to picket the rescheduled $peech$ of Judy Shepard, Matt's Mother - 7 p.m. Tues. Dec. 6, Southern Illinois Univ. Carbondale

WBC to picket the Port Charlotte High School (PCHS) - at 7 a.m., Monday, Dec. 19 -

WBC to picket the gay prom now planned for April by the Gay-Straight Alliance chapters at Tracy and West high schools in Tracy, Calif.

Indiana Senator proposing state law to ban protests of this kind.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/iraq/cst-nws-fun26.html

Politician: Make protests at funerals felonies

October 26, 2005

BY MIKE SMITH

INDIANAPOLIS -- A state senator angered over a recent protest at an Indiana soldier's funeral wants to make disorderly conduct a felony offense if it occurs at military funerals.

Sen. Brent Steele (R-Bedford) said he would propose legislation in response to an anti-gay group's protest at the Aug. 28 funeral for Army Staff Sgt. Jeremy Doyle, an Indianapolis native killed in Iraq.

Six members of the Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church dragged U.S. flags on the ground and shouted insults at Doyle's surviving family members outside a mortuary in Martinsville, about 30 miles southwest of Indianapolis.

God's revenge

''No family should have to go through this at a funeral,'' Steele said.

The Rev. Fred Phelps, the church's founder, contends American soldiers are being killed in Iraq as vengeance from God for protecting a country that harbors gays. The church, which is not affiliated with a larger denomination, is made up mostly of Phelps' children, grandchildren and in-laws.

Phelps and his followers, who engage in anti-homosexual picketing around the country, have targeted military funerals in recent months.

Some of the group's statements amount to fighting words, according to a letter the Heltonville Area Veterans sent Steele.

''We feel any funeral, especially those of veterans killed in the service of our country, deserves the protection of law,'' said the letter, which was signed by 20 people.

AP

Wow. Thanks Preacher man for bringing this nut job to our attention. I'd never heard of him before this.

I reckon when you're toally insane you pick and choose what parts of the bible you want to pay attention to. Ya know like those little tidbits about not bearing false witness and behold there is but one true prophet can just get tossed aside.

This truly is disturbing stuff. I mean at least Karesh and Clan stayed boxed in.

Like Bert said, this is going to come to a head. What I fear is one of the relatives of a fallen trooper snapping and shooting one of these brainwashed idiots and they being the one's to suffer the rest of their lives for it.

I'd still like to know an answer to planb's question. How do they get money? I mean they are making some pretty healthy jaunts.

If someone were to snap I am sure that a jury of 12 veterans can be gathered to pass justice.

This just in via email.

RIDERS & PATRIOTS, JUST RECEIVED NOTIFICATION- PHELPS IDIOTS WILL BE PROTESTING AT SGT. EVAN PARKERS FUNERAL- FUNERAL WILL BE HELD AT 2:00 PM- WED. NOV. 2ND AT SOUTH HAVEN HIGH SCHOOL., HE WILL BE LAID TO REST AT ROSE HILL CEMETERY IN SOUTH HAVEN..WBC WILL BE PROTESTING FROM 1:00 TO 2:00 PM...MEET AT DERBY QT ( FLAGS ON BIKES ) AT 1100 HRS AIS 01130 HRS FOR SOUTH HAVEN..MEET OTHER PATRIOTS AT CENTEX SERVICE CENTER I-35 @ HIWAY 166 AT APPROX. 11:45...SOUTH HAVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL ME NOTIFIED WE WILL BE THERE.. #1 WE WILL BE PRESENT TO HONOR SGT. PARKER , HIS FAMILY & SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY #2 TO KEEP PHELPS ( WBC ) FROM DISRUPTING THE SERVICES FOR OUR COMRADE IN ARMS -SGT EVAN PARKER....To date we are making a difference with our presence...ALONE WE CAN DO SO LITTLE- TOGETHER WE CAN DO SO MUCH...It is a Priviledge and Honor to Ride with you..Cregg Hansen , Dept. ALR

This guy makes a LOT of money by suing anyone who attempts to harm or block his group from picketing. He has received tens of thousands of dollars from municipalities, churches, colleges, and private individuals that way. They usually pay off to avoid going to court. The best thing everyone can do is totally ignore him. Don't do something foolish and end up "donating" to his cause!

Sorry, but I have got to throw up the BS flag on that one. Ignoring him will not help.

The Veteran biker clubs are doing exactly what needs to be done which is blocking out their protests and being so load that no one can hear the protestors.

The Veterean biker groups are abiding by the law and always ask for permission from the police, the local govenrment and most importantly the the family of the deceased patriot.

Silence and inactivity against those that go against our core values is what got us into these wars in Afganistan and Iraq.

Phelps is an enemy to the state, he wants to remove freedoms and liberty from anyone who does not think or believe his way. All military and vets have sworn an oath to protect and defend the USA from all enemys, foreign AND domestic. Phelps IS a domestic enemy IMHO.

Sorry, but I have got to throw up the BS flag on that one. Ignoring him will not help.

The Veteran biker clubs are doing exactly what needs to be done which is blocking out their protests and being so load that no one can hear the protestors.

The Veterean biker groups are abiding by the law and always ask for permission from the police, the local govenrment and most importantly the the family of the deceased patriot.

Silence and inactivity against those that go against our core values is what got us into these wars in Afganistan and Iraq.

Phelps is an enemy to the state, he wants to remove freedoms and liberty from anyone who does not think or believe his way. All military and vets have sworn an oath to protect and defend the USA from all enemys, foreign AND domestic. Phelps IS a domestic enemy IMHO.

Hear hear......
:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

And it's not even my country :dunno

...All military and vets have sworn an oath to protect and defend the USA from all enemys, foreign AND domestic. Phelps IS a domestic enemy...





That, my friend, says it all...

No one could have said it better.

Preacher-

Where is south Haven? What state?

This is not my BS, this guy really is getting people to react and suing them! If you want to help fund his "love crusades" go ahead and take a swing at them. (read 2.B carefully)

From the US Army:

Remainder of message deleted by bplinson because it is US Army FOUO.

Shamdog, Sgt. Parker is from Kansas

I want to know if this POS shows up in New Jersey. I'll be there.

same here, would love to

For those in California this is where the POS will be:
November 1, 2005
9:00 am – 10:00 am
Yucca Valley, CA
Calvary Baptist Church, for funeral of Army Spc. Timothy D. Watkins

I sure hope they show up in Arizona sometime.:wonderlan
Sue me? For what? My bills?
I also have a right to protest and speak out against them.

They were supposed to picket a couple of funerals in my area last Friday and Saturday, but did not show up. It could've been the 300 or so bikers that were there......

Sorry aboput California posting late.
Save this link to your favorites and you can keep up to date on the groups activities:
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmi...formation.html

We should do what we can to prevent this from happening.
Contact you state representatives and help put an end to his disrespecting a:censor .

If your state cannot help then help yourself and contact local Vet Bikers and VFW.
They will help and give you plenty of ideas.

For those in California this is where the POS will be:
November 1, 2005
9:00 am – 10:00 am
Yucca Valley, CA
Calvary Baptist Church, for funeral of Army Spc. Timothy D. Watkins

I sure hope they show up in Arizona sometime.:wonderlan
Sue me? For what? My bills?
I also have a right to protest and speak out against them.
dammit!

if i didn't HAVE to work today, i'd be there. :(

where you gettin the info from indy?

where you gettin the info from indy?
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ghfmir/fliers/Picket_Information.html

Preacher-

Where is south Haven? What state?

Sorry about that, the email came from one of our Kansas members.

Is ANYONE reading this????
This is very f:censor ing scary. Does this ring a bell with anyone????
Come on America, WTF are you doing??
This is reminiscent of, dare I say it,

W A C O


Why aren't the authorities stepping in here?????

BINGO!!! That's exactly what it sounds like. I would presume they're not stepping in because of all the backlash from Waco. Wasn't that a mess; but they shouldn't be afraid to deal with whack jobs like that. :frownthre

They also can't step in because that is why our soldiers are over there.
They are trying to establish some type of rights and equality we have here.
Like protesting something you do not believe in.The biggest problem I have with this POS is that he is attending memorial services for the men and women that have served our country and have made the ultimate sacrefice for what they believe in.
And also to fight for the rights that every citizen in the US has.
I will ALWAYS support our men and women that serve/served in our military.

I say thanks to all of you that serve/served. :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

This is a tough subject for me. I have a deep respect for any person that enlists in the military, the ones that fall in the line of duty are of the highest caliber. They volunteered to do the dirtywork that no one else was brave enough to do.

I do not agree with the President's wasteful use of our military, but he is the Commander in Chief and the soldiers have to follow orders.

The idiots that are picketing & protesting the war while families are dealing with the worst fear by burying a loved one that followed orders and gave the fullest measure of devotion is unconscionable.

On the other hand those soldiers are in Iraq to help supplant democracy in an area that has never had the freedoms we enjoy. Like the right to protest, no matter how distasteful or disrespectful it may be.

I personally believe there are better ways to protest this war, the only consolation is that you have the right to go out there and support these families and give them the respect they deserve.

If you go to one of these funerals to shut down the protesters then the terrorists have won. They have created an atmosphere of intollerance for other opinions, and then that soldier that is being buried has died in vain.

If you go to one of these funerals to shut down the protesters then the terrorists have won. They have created an atmosphere of intollerance for other opinions, and then that soldier that is being buried has died in vain.

this paragraph has me more than a little confused.

protester != terrorists

ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

everyone has the right to freedom of speech, and some morons use this freedom to its fullest extent.
Creating an atmosphere of intollerance for others opinions?? By protesting their anti-gay bullsh*t?
http://www.moker.us/pic/huh.gif

If you go to one of these funerals to shut down the protesters then the terrorists have won. They have created an atmosphere of intollerance for other opinions, and then that soldier that is being buried has died in vain.

Kev, I may have misunderstood your point here, and if I have, I apologize in advance. I do not feel like my showing up to protest the protesters is in any way taking away from Phelps the freedom that so many have fought to give him. We all have freedom of speech; I would just be exercising mine as well; and at the same time saving a grieving family from hearing this lunatic's insulting comments. I would attend one of these funerals to support the soldier that gave Phelps that freedom. He abuses his freedom; I don't feel like bikers showing up to drown out his preaching is intollerance for other opinions; I feel it is completely justifiable. There's a certain respect that MUST be given to those grieving the loss of a loved one.

The idiots that are picketing & protesting the war while families are dealing with the worst fear by burying a loved one that followed orders and gave the fullest measure of devotion is unconscionable.


The thing about these crackpots is that they aren't protesting the war. Look at their website. There is one part on it where they praise the use of IED's to kill American soldiers. This is not protesting a war.


If you go to one of these funerals to shut down the protesters then the terrorists have won. They have created an atmosphere of intollerance for other opinions, and then that soldier that is being buried has died in vain.

Going to one of these funerals is in no way letting the terrorists win. It is to show respect for the fallen and to shield the family from these people. If you look at their website, you will see exactly what I mean.

Creating an atmosphere of intollerance for others opinions?? By protesting their anti-gay bullsh*t?

*high five Moker*

I couldn't find the high fiving smiley! :dunno

Kev, I may have misunderstood your point here, and if I have, I apologize in advance. I do not feel like my showing up to protest the protesters is in any way taking away from Phelps the freedom that so many have fought to give him. We all have freedom of speech; I would just be exercising mine as well; and at the same time saving a grieving family from hearing this lunatic's insulting comments. I would attend one of these funerals to support the soldier that gave Phelps that freedom. He abuses his freedom; I don't feel like bikers showing up to drown out his preaching is intollerance for other opinions; I feel it is completely justifiable. There's a certain respect that MUST be given to those grieving the loss of a loved one.
exactly.

I am back in Rochester NY for a funeral, or I would have been at Yucca Valley. This guy is a nut case, and needs to be taken care of. He is lucky so much restraint has already been shown, and he has not been killed.

*high five Moker*

I couldn't find the high fiving smiley! :dunno
that's ok, i'll take a kiss instead!!

http://www.moker.us/pic/fake%2520kiss.gif

that's ok, i'll take a kiss instead!!

http://www.moker.us/pic/fake%2520kiss.gif

Hey, I can handle a kiss like that! Be right back, gotta run to the restroom for something . . . ;)

lipstick??? http://www.moker.us/pic/huh.gif


:p

lipstick??? http://www.moker.us/pic/huh.gif


:p

You had better hope.

maybe,:spank

maybe,:spank
by bonru? hell yeah!

by you? HELL no!!! http://www.moker.us/pic/lol.gif

If you go to one of these funerals to shut down the protesters then the terrorists have won. They have created an atmosphere of intollerance for other opinions, and then that soldier that is being buried has died in vain.

I think you are totally off base and here is why.

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but freedom of speech does NOT mean that the government or the people must provide a audience.

Freedom of speech is a powerful tool but it is not without restrictions. You cannot, for example, have access to a military installation to exercise your right. You cannot trespass on private property or protest in such a manner that you are creating a danger to yourself or others.

There is nothing saying that these people cannot exercise their freedom of speech in another town or even another part of town. The reason they protest at the funeral, where it will be the most hurtful, is not in the hopes of getting someone at the funeral to listen, but in the hopes that they will get more publicity for thier cause and that someone, somewhere, will listen to the hate they spew and take up the cause.

Phelps and his crew are not about freedom of any kind, much less freedom of speech. They are about devisiveness and hate.

You are dead wrong this time. Stopping Phelps from attending the funeral does nothing to abrogate his rights, but it does protect the rights of the family, the dignity of the ceremony and the memory of a soldier lost on the field of battle.

Last, but certainly not least, why do you defend the freedom of speech for Phelps but turn around and deny us our freedom of speech? It is a contradiction and short-sighted to say the least.

Well put Preacher:clap :clap

:urock
:usa3

Kevin you are dead wrong on this.:( Preacher you are dead right. I could not have said it any better.

Raymond Eade
SSG, USA (Ret)
Vietnam Vet (and dammed proud of my service)

November 5, 2005
9:30 am – 10:00 am
Ft. Wayne, IN
Concordia Lutheran Church, 4245 Lake Ave. for the funeral of Spc. Christopher T. Monroe


Here is where the next funeral picket is.
Pass this on to HOG and others in Indiana.

Upcoming Phelps engagements:

# WBC to picket funeral of Army Pfc. David Martin - 11 a.m., Tuesday, Nov. 8, New Covenant Methodist leper colony, 2300 S. Boulevard, Edmond, Okla. Killed by Iraqi IED

four more added today from the website. I will be at the one in Greeley on Friday. Anyone else from northern Colorado/southern Wyoming available?

November 10, 2005

4:15 pm – 5:00 pm

Beatrice, NE

Fox Funeral Home, 1116 N. 19th St., for the visitation of Darren Howe.

November 11, 2005

9:30 am – 10:00 am

Hudson, WI

Bethel Lutheran Church, 920 Third St., for the funeral of Benjamin Smith.



November 11, 2005

11:30 am – 12:00 pm

Greeley, CO

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, 501 49th Ave., for the funeral of Tyler MacKenzie.



November 11, 2005

12:45 pm – 1:30 pm

Elkhart, IN

Stemm-Lawson-Peterson Funeral Home, 1531 Cobblestone Blvd., for the visitation of Gerald Bloomfield.

these people make me so mad. i do respect the right to do it. but the F ing lefty media loves it. i am a nam vet and maybe that war was always going to be a looser. but the stakes are much higher this time. the left is doing all they can to make us loose. they do not care how many of our troops die if it would help them get power back.:frownthre :censor

My last statements seem to have confused or maybe angered some of my fellow forum members. My intentions were to do neither. Opinions on this issue are very strong and my compassion for the families of fallen soldiers is so great it angers me to no end that people actually protest at a soldiers funeral.

From some of the posts here it seemed that some here (which I totally understand) might go to one of these protests and pound heads. Isn't it bad enough that these idiots are there stressing the families. Does the presence of counter protestors really achieve anything?

The challenge is to show up one of these protests in a dignified and respectful way that honors the fallen soldier and their families. Not add to the carnival atmosphere of the protestors.

Having said that, all I meant is that the soldiers are giving their lives in Iraq trying to secure for those people the same freedoms we enjoy. If you go to specifically silence and opinion (no matter how distasteful or revolting the opinion is) then you are disrespecting the honor of the fallen soldiers. The best way to silence a protest (especially of these morons) is to ignore them. Of course they are choosing to protest at funerals it guarantees them some type of response which guarantees them some type of media coverage. Do you have the right to go to these protests and show support for the famlies, of course do that. But if your intentions are to go there and prevent their rights of expression then you are dishonoring the fallen soldiers.

The challenge is to show up one of these protests in a dignified and respectful way that honors the fallen soldier and their families. Not add to the carnival atmosphere of the protestors.



I whole heartedly agree with you there. Nothing is accomplished by escalating an already bad situation. But these young me paid the ultimate price for freedom and that is something that we should honor, completly independant of whether or not anyone there is protesting the funeral.

Jason

But these young men paid the ultimate price for freedom and that is something that we should honor, completly independant of whether or not anyone there is protesting the funeral.

Jason

This was my intention with my original statement, don't add to the dishonor but show the families the respect they have earned with the sacrifice of their loved one.

...If you go to specifically silence and opinion (no matter how distasteful or revolting the opinion is) then you are disrespecting the honor of the fallen soldiers. The best way to silence a protest (especially of these morons) is to ignore them...But if your intentions are to go there and prevent their rights of expression then you are dishonoring the fallen soldiers.
I call bullshit on this...and that's just my opinion.

As a society we should reserve the right to make sure that others in our society are decent human beings. Their right is to protest. My right is to protest their protest. Not that it makes a shittin' bit of difference to me, and maybe it's a rhetorical question, but...why are you willing to stand up for their rights to protest something that they don't like but you aren't willing to stand up for or defend my rights to protest something that I don't like? You'd rather I just ignore what I don't like and look the other way? Why can't we expect them to do the same?

I'd be interested in knowing how you differentiate between the two and draw the line...because I don't see the difference between the two 'protests' except for maybe the fact that the general public probably wants one of us there.

Why does this society that we live in today constantly defends peices of shit like Phelps, and reason why he should be allowed to do what he does, but go on the attack when someone from the oppositte side of the view in question decides to do something contradictary?

Maybe that's a rhetorical question as well...



p.s. You picket my son or daughter's funeral and I can about gaurantee you that my ass is going to jail for manslaughter.

Up to this point, I have heard of no case where the people protesting Phelps have been anything but supportive of and respectful for the families of our fallen Heros. just as Phelps has the right to protest in support of his beliefs, no matter how twisted I personally believe they are, we have the right to protest him. Left to spew his hateful vile without rebuttal, it looks like the rest of us either don't care or somehow agree with him. His actions shout out for those who feel he's a fringe whacko, to show the world that there MANY who have different views. My question, why is it that the only ones openly opposing him are Vets. Where is the outrage from Gay rights groups and the many other groups he has spewed his hate speech against.

Why do we want to prevent him from protesting by stageing a protest against him?
I believe that a gathering in support of our fallen heros would be the thing to do.
This would not allow him/them to get near the memorial service to spew his SHIT and disrespect the mourners and/or fallen.
I have had dealings with him in the past from a security point of view.
He is allowed to protest and all that has to be done is designate an area for him to do so is all that is needed to comply with his rights of speech/protest, etc.
He has been arrested by going outside his boundries of this area.
He is a POS and someone someday WILL put him in his place.

Having said that, all I meant is that the soldiers are giving their lives in Iraq trying to secure for those people the same freedoms we enjoy. If you go to specifically silence and opinion (no matter how distasteful or revolting the opinion is) then you are disrespecting the honor of the fallen soldiers.

What bothers me about your stance is the obvious double standard.

It is OK with you if the Phelps crowd show up to protest but it is NOT OK for other American citizens with the EXACT SAME 1st AMENDMENT RIGHTS show up to protest the protestors. Don't you see how hypocrtical that is?

If Phelps has the right to protest a funeral (a protest, mind you, based on his specious reasoning that the soldier was killed because the US government refuses to exterminate gays), then I, as an American citizen, as a veteran of our armed forces who has put his life on the line several times to protect our right to protest, should not be allow to exercise those rights I have spent my life defending?

Why does his right to protest trump my right to protest? Why is his 1st Amendment Right more valid than my 1st Amendment right?

The only, and I stress ONLY way you woud have any claim to legitimacy with your stance would be if I were a government official who was using his appointed office to silence a legal protest because I found it personally offensive. I am not, I am a private citizen with the same rights as any other private citizen.

You are still, unarguably, completely wrong on this one.

p.s. You picket my son or daughter's funeral and I can about gaurantee you that my ass is going to jail for manslaughter.

If Phelps has the right to protest a funeral (a protest, mind you, based on his specious reasoning that the soldier was killed because the US government refuses to exterminate gays), then I, as an American citizen, as a veteran of our armed forces who has put his life on the line several times to protect our right to protest, should not be allow to exercise those rights I have spent my life defending?

Why does his right to protest trump my right to protest? Why is his 1st Amendment Right more valid than my 1st Amendment right?

well said gentlemen I think that if we allow him to have free range on his "protests" which are designed to upset aready grieving parents/ family members he wins and it weakens our society. I see these counter protests as nothing more than doing the right thing by the family and our country. Unchecked we might as well live in France claiming to be compassionate but really fostering an environment that further alows us to devolve from the great country we now live in.

well said gentlemen I think that if we allow him to have free range on his "protests" which are designed to upset aready grieving parents/ family members he wins and it weakens our society. I see these counter protests as nothing more than doing the right thing by the family and our country. Unchecked we might as well live in France claiming to be compassionate but really fostering an environment that further alows us to devolve from the great country we now live in.

:clap :clap :clap :clap Well said - Waldo, Preacher and Indy!!!

This movement, the bikers who are showing up and showing their respect for our fallen soldiers, has grown and been named.

Patriot Guard.

Families are now requesting our presence.

The Phelps idiots will be at the funeral/visitation of Army Spc Darren Howe in Beatrice NE Thrusday Nov 10 at the Fox Funeral Home, 1116 N. 19th Street, Beatrice, NE- 4 to 5 PM ..the funeral is Veterans Day Nov. 11th at St. Joseph Church , 701 N. 6th, Beatrice, NE a special note : Spc Howes father Steve Howe is himself a Enduring Freedom Vet ( returned from Iraq just 1 year ago ) the family is requesting the Patriot Guard.

ALL Patriots can meet at Joes Bar, 6th Street in Marysville, Kansas , just a few minutes from Beatrice, NE..more info contact Kerry Jackson 785-484-2075 or 785-554-3608

Remember: The Patriot Guard is made up of all Patriotic Riders..including Clubs, Associations and individuals..our Mission is Honor the Soldier / support the Family and Shield the Family from the idiots...

I call bullshit on this...and that's just my opinion.

As a society we should reserve the right to make sure that others in our society are decent human beings. Their right is to protest. My right is to protest their protest. Not that it makes a shittin' bit of difference to me, and maybe it's a rhetorical question, but...why are you willing to stand up for their rights to protest something that they don't like but you aren't willing to stand up for or defend my rights to protest something that I don't like? You'd rather I just ignore what I don't like and look the other way? Why can't we expect them to do the same?

I'd be interested in knowing how you differentiate between the two and draw the line...because I don't see the difference between the two 'protests' except for maybe the fact that the general public probably wants one of us there.

Why does this society that we live in today constantly defends peices of shit like Phelps, and reason why he should be allowed to do what he does, but go on the attack when someone from the oppositte side of the view in question decides to do something contradictary?

Maybe that's a rhetorical question as well...



p.s. You picket my son or daughter's funeral and I can about gaurantee you that my ass is going to jail for manslaughter.


I never said you DO NOT have a right to go to one of these protests and do what ever you want. This was in my original statement,

"I personally believe there are better ways to protest this war, the only consolation is that you have the right to go out there and support these families and give them the respect they deserve."

It is not a double standard to state that if the rights of the hated are protected then this will ensure your rights are proteced because as society changes from left to right, liberal to conservative minority opinions are at their most threatened.

The reason our society constantly defends POS is that tomorrow no one here knows what the minority opinion will be. What is accepted or denounced today may not be in the future. (granted that Phelps and his organization will never be considered mainstream)

All I want to get across is if you go to one of these funerals please conduct yourself in a respectful manner.

The reason I even started in this thread is a very close friend of mine buried his son who was killed in Iraq. There were a few protestors outside the cemetery, I don't know which group they were with. Some people not associated with us started pushing the protestors around and before you know it all hell broke loose.

If they had just left them alone everything would have been fine. My friends family were annoyed at the protest but the scuffle was what really upset them.

Remember: The Patriot Guard is made up of all Patriotic Riders..including Clubs, Associations and individuals..our Mission is Honor the Soldier / support the Family and Shield the Family from the idiots...


This is exactly what I was trying to convey, however I may have misspoke my intentions or how it was misconstrued.

Preacher, let me know if they come to upstate NY.We have fort Drum up here and they may try showing up.Would like to know before hand,not after when I see it on the news.I was a grunt in the nam,got spit and shit on when I got back,now time for payback.In a respectful manner of course to the family.What happens 10 miles down the road is a differant enchilada.

This guy is a nut case, and needs to be taken care of. He is lucky so much restraint has already been shown, and he has not been killed.

That is what this guy is hoping for. Killing him would make him a martyr. It would push his cause to the national level, and his name will live on, like Jim Jones, David Karesh, and all the other upstart church leaders who name themselves as prophets.

Don't mean to stir the pot again, but...

Protesting this moron sounds like a great idea.

But I feel protesting anything at any funeral, let alone one for a fallen soldier, just feels TO ME like intruding in a very serious human ritual, no mater where ya come from. Lots of raw emotions runnin round. From my understanding, the Patriot Guard has a specific role of reducing the intrusion on the family and friends, not adding to it.

Anyway, how about organized protests somewhere other than a funeral. Could have a "Can't hear ya Phelps..." day of rallies in major cities cross the country, with lots of roaring pipes at a given hour. Not as in your face, but would get lots of media coverage and support I'm sure.

Just a thought.

Ed

I cant believe i missed the california protest, The next one that comes up i will be there to protest them, i dont care if its a hundred others alongside me or standing alone, I'll be there.

I have heard about this "Less than POS" from some of the organizations I belong too. This is one of the sickest Men (I can't really call him that) on the planet, Disrupting Military Funerals is the lowest thing to ever happen. I had hopes of dealing with him at some point but have yet to actually put things together and catch him in Florida. I have some patch friends, and myself that would like nothing better than welcome him and his entire organization to Hell. SOB, I spent time in the Keesler AFB Honor Guard, working with returning POW's and attending Funerals for KIA's in the 70's. We had enough trouble with the Nam protesters then. We were autherized to use reasonable force and did on several occasions. It's amazing what is reasonable under those cercomstances Guess our troops can't do that any more, Sad. Well, I know some who can and will given the opportunity.
I best study this Organizations travel habits. If I am present I will not allow this crap to happen, PERIOD.
Thank You All for this Post that I finally locked on to. I won't loose it now.
SGO
PS: I see that it has been two weeks since the last entry here. Please don't let this rest until it is put to rest for good.

Don't mean to stir the pot again, but...

Protesting this moron sounds like a great idea.

But I feel protesting anything at any funeral, let alone one for a fallen soldier, just feels TO ME like intruding in a very serious human ritual, no matter where ya come from.
Ed
Tell you what. I am a soldier, and if I should die, I am inviting each and every one of you to ride at my funeral! I know the sound of Freedom, and a Harley doesn't drown out that sound, it adds to it!!!

Tell you what. I am a soldier, and if I should die, I am inviting each and every one of you to ride at my funeral! I know the sound of Freedom, and a Harley doesn't drown out that sound, it adds to it!!!

And you can bet that we'll be there!

Sport Ed, we're not "protesting" anything or anyone. We're showing support for the family who sacrificed so much, and honoring a soldier who gave all. We're there whether Phelps is or not, and if he shows up, we make a bigger showing so that his evil cannot shine through. We don't protest him; we don't even acknowledge him. We just drown out his ridiculous babble so the family is protected from his hate, and we render his protest a waste of his time. Eventually, he'll realize we aren't going away, and maybe he'll turn his efforts elsewhere. But we will continue to honor our fallen heros.

Sport Ed, we're not "protesting" anything or anyone. We're showing support for the family who sacrificed so much, and honoring a soldier who gave all.

This is a crucial part of our national message:

"When we arrive, we arrive as invited guests. Our appearance has nothing to do with protestors. However, our secondary mission is to protect mourners, family and other guests from interference with their grieving process, in any legal means necessary, to protect the sanctity of a soldier's ultimate sacrifice and the honor of his memory".....

This is a crucial part of our national message:

"When we arrive, we arrive as invited guests. Our appearance has nothing to do with protestors. However, our secondary mission is to protect mourners, family and other guests from interference with their grieving process, in any legal means necessary, to protect the sanctity of a soldier's ultimate sacrifice and the honor of his memory".....

Exactly!! Here's an example of our effectiveness. This is a picture (taken by the WBC protestors and can be found on their site) showing the protestor's view of the funeral service once the PGR steps in. They see nothing but a wall of PGR riders, bikes and flags. There's only so much damage they can do at that point. Mission success.

Exactly!! Here's an example of our effectiveness. This is a picture (taken by the WBC protestors and can be found on their site) showing the protestor's view of the funeral service once the PGR steps in. They see nothing but a wall of PGR riders, bikes and flags. There's only so much damage they can do at that point. Mission success.

What protestors?

:roflblack

I'll get a hold of the State Captain as I see protests coming to my area this month. I will have to find out what I can do legally and then stretch that limit. I want to completely and totally ruin these A$$F:censor ING,BUTT:censor 's Lives for as extended a period as I can, any way I can. God forbid one of them should try to get past me. I don't believe God would mind my reaction.:gun :roflblack
I did several years Escorting and Guarding the Vietnam Vets Mobile Wall when it was in the area.:boxing There were people who wanted to do damage to it also. There are over 55,000 of My Family's Names on that Wall.
All of this should be handled as Treason, it's not a freedom of speech thing, It's total Disrespect for every good thing this country stands for.
I am off the soap box now, Thanx for reading my Venting.

SGO/ Very Grumpy Vet. in Florida Today.

Here are two editorials published on Monday in our local paper.

Phelps daughter:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/editorial/13733785.htm

Phelps granddaughter

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/editorial/13733784.htm

Exactly!! Here's an example of our effectiveness. This is a picture (taken by the WBC protestors and can be found on their site) showing the protestor's view of the funeral service once the PGR steps in. They see nothing but a wall of PGR riders, bikes and flags. There's only so much damage they can do at that point. Mission success.
that is great I want to get involved in that thanks for yall's posts

Thought you'd find this interesting.
Congats on your efforts. Good job.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060221/ap_on_re_us/funeral_motorcyclists

Yep. The Phelps Phuckhead Phamily. :frownthre

If you go to one of these funerals to shut down the protesters then the terrorists have won. They have created an atmosphere of intollerance for other opinions, and then that soldier that is being buried has died in vain.

Your points are well-taken...

I suppose the primary difference here is the fact that, ostensibly, a funeral is a PRIVATE affair.....the mourners are a CAPTIVE audience, nevermind the hate and intolerance involved in the UGlies droning...

The PRG seeks not to "shut down" the protestors..despite the spin, NOONE wants to "shut them down"....All the PGR (and proposed legislation) tries to do is SHIELD the mourners during their PRIVATE affair.....

With all the media the Patriot Guard website has been taking a beating. They are down now but I hope they can get back up soon.

Aol had an article about the Patriot guard and it was all positive. As for Phelps and his crew of demon spawn, he is the worst kind of christian. One that just does not get it. I would not cross the street to piss on one of them if they were on fire. Protesting at soldier funerals really touches a sore spot with me.

Made The Army Times: http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1546852.php

Boy I tell ya If that kinda shit doesn't piss you off thers a good chance you died in your sleep last night. I cant wait for the PRIVILEGE of riding with the PRG in my area, To protect those who have lost loved ones from a bunch of F:censor ing bible thumping freaks. It truly makes me sick that an American can disrespect the sanctity of a funeral for an American Soldier. I wish they would go door to door spewing their shit I would make a f:censor ing footstool out them. And to anyone who thinks they have a right to voice thier opinion in this way I will reply now F:censor -YOU!!!!!!!

I think Phelps needs to spend a little more time reading his Bible, and a little less time telling other's it's too late to pray...

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

How do you join the PGR? I live in central PA and know others who would probably like to join. I know it's a free country and everyone has a right to protest. BUT to me, protesting at a soldiers funeral is such a disgusting classless and shameful act that I would be proud and honored if I could help shield a mourning family and friends of a fallen soldier from these "protesters". I know two people who have lost a loved one in Irag serving their country. Both of them loved their country and were proud to serve and willingly did so. Thanfully no sick protester showed up. I think they would have been beaten if they did. And I am deadly serious about that.

http://patriotguard.org/
Go there and sign up. You won't be sorry.

How do you join the PGR? I live in central PA and know others who would probably like to join. I know it's a free country and everyone has a right to protest. BUT to me, protesting at a soldiers funeral is such a disgusting classless and shameful act that I would be proud and honored if I could help shield a mourning family and friends of a fallen soldier from these "protesters". I know two people who have lost a loved one in Irag serving their country. Both of them loved their country and were proud to serve and willingly did so. Thanfully no sick protester showed up. I think they would have been beaten if they did. And I am deadly serious about that.

Just go to this link Patriot Guard (http://www.patriotguard.org) and sign up.

Please, please, PLEASE remember that the Patriot Guard is NOT an anti-Phelps organization. We try our damnedest to show up at the funerals of our fallen brothers and sisters regardless of whether or not any group is going to 'protest'.

...Thanfully no sick protester showed up. I think they would have been beaten if they did. And I am deadly serious about that.
I'm not trying to single anyone out but if this type of action is a possibility with anyone then please do NOT try to represent the Patriot Guard Riders. This type of action is exactly what Phelps' group in particular wants to happen. Then they can take you to court for a nice fat civil suit and get more money to run their 'church.'

Anyone here John L, that I just saw on TV (cnn) representing the PGR? You seemed to represent the organization well.

I joined tonight. Heard they were in Nebraska last week. I wish I had heard that before I would have gone.

AS Sigmon Frued would say

Fred Waldron Phelps: "Thou do Protesteth too loudly" !

Likely scared of his own Homo feelings ??

In any case, If I were him I would stay out of the South !!!

If the various states do pass "anti-protest" laws, would it still be illegal to cheer at Phelps' funeral? We wouldn't be protesting anything.

If the various states do pass "anti-protest" laws, would it still be illegal to cheer at Phelps' funeral? We wouldn't be protesting anything.
well it shouldnt be:smoke

If the various states do pass "anti-protest" laws, would it still be illegal to cheer at Phelps' funeral? We wouldn't be protesting anything.

Can I carry a "God hates Hypocrites" sign?

How to kill a Snake :: Cut Off It's HEAD !!!

How to kill a publicity whore...ignore them. Seriously, I know they are controversial and everything but they make money off of it. Their church is funded from suing people and contributions from fellow lunatics after publicity from their psychotic behavior. Ignore them and they will go away. Play up to them and they gain more notoriety.

I have some live and personel experiance with this type of person, Though I wont go into details. I will tell you that he will never be a whole person. The only thing that makes him feel alive is hurting others. And the feeling that he has control over other people. He's a sick SOB. And there is a cure for him. Give me a clear 300-400yd shot and I'll cure him 100%.

What I don't quite understand is why the funerals of serviceman, That is a bit off course for the type. Maybe just the attention? Or doing the unthinkable or what ? In any case he needs to be sent on up to heaven where he will be happy !!! I don't see how the PGR are able to maintain self control in these situations. And I Commend them for there deep restraint and the respect they show for the Familys of servicemen ! They are the Prophets in this situation !!! GOD BLESS THEM !!!!!

Matt:(

I have some live and personel experiance with this type of person, Though I wont go into details. I will tell you that he will never be a whole person. The only thing that makes him feel alive is hurting others. And the feeling that he has control over other people. He's a sick SOB. And there is a cure for him. Give me a clear 300-400yd shot and I'll cure him 100%.

What I don't quite understand is why the funerals of serviceman, That is a bit off course for the type. Maybe just the attention? Or doing the unthinkable or what ? In any case he needs to be sent on up to heaven where he will be happy !!! I don't see how the PGR are able to maintain self control in these situations. And I Commend them for there deep restraint and the respect they show for the Familys of servicemen ! They are the Prophets in this situation !!! GOD BLESS THEM !!!!!

Matt:(


Matt, I share your sentiments. I truly believe that we are facing the cross-roads in this country. There are many among us that believe in self-flagellation and perpetuate the myth that we deserve the atrocities that happened to us on 9/11. I do not understand or subscribe to this perverse logic. I truly believe that we (the US) are facing an enemy that will not rest until we are a nation under Islamic law. Our downfall will be to base our military responses using a twentieth century mentality when most of the world is living in the 13th century.

I read today that they are going to picket the VT students funeral.

I read today that they are going to picket the VT students funeral.

:cloudmad Bastards

Here's a thought ...

How can the Phelps' cult pay any taxes, property, sales, anything that is going to the corrupt government they claim to hate?

In doing so they support the government, and it's policies just the same as the soldiers, or students, or soccer moms, or anyone else.

What a bunch of psycho hypocrites.

How about counter pickets and shouting down the Phelps for supporting the "devil" through their tax dollars?:laugh

Just imagine the counter protests against them. Everyone laughing at them.:p

I say mock the mockers.:smoke

In the poetic words of William Shakespear, "... me thinks he protest to much ..," if you follow my drift.

"Never argue with a fool, a passerby might not be able to tell the difference."

Phelps used to be a lawyer, he was disbarred twice. Once at the state
level and again at the federal level.

He has attempted suicide and was also a drug user.
When he lost a case (often) he would shave his wifes head....

They are a bunch of scam artists, provoking people so that they can
sue them. They use their so called Church as a tax shelter.
Only his family members belong to it.

Honor our troops and pay no attention to these idiots.

dec
and yes I'm in the PGR

Just now found this thread, wanted to give everyone an update. Two months ago our community buried one of our Iraqi veterans who was killed in action. This Phelps group came into town to protest at the funeral. I was working as an EMT and provided medical coverage for the event. For some reason or another the Phelps group did not show. I don't know why. If I had to guess I figure it is cause they are wising up. I am absolutely positive that if they had shown up at this funeral, someone would have gotten a face kicked in; despite the threats of a lawsuit.

These people talk a big talk, but I highly doubt any of them will be willing to die for what they are "preaching." The way I see it, if your are not willing to die for what you are preaching your just adding to the noise pollution.

.... if your are not willing to die for what you are preaching your just adding to the noise pollution.[/QUOTE]

Well said. the world would be a quieter place
From what I have gathered, they threaten to show up at almost every funeral but havent actually done so in some time. Their latest b.s. is to threaten to show up at a high publicity funeral (VT and the school in PA) then some radio dj offered airtime in exchange for them protesting at the funeral.

I praise the dj's for going out of their way to keep them away from the funeral, but airtime reaches alot more people than them standing a few blocks away (thanks to new fed law), They just need to be ignored. and maybe one day... well maybe we wont have to worry about them anymore.

http://www.ketv.com/news/13447168/detail.html

OMAHA, Neb. -- A woman was arrested in Bellevue on Tuesday during the funeral for a fallen soldier.

Shirley Phelps-Roper was arrested on suspicion of contributing to the delinquency of a minor for allowing her 8-year-old son to stomp on an American flag.

Phelps-Roper is a member of a Topeka, Kan., church that conducts anti-homosexual picketing at funeral services for U.S. soldiers.

Hundreds of people packed Bellevue streets Tuesday morning to pay tribute to a firefighter and soldier.

Spc. Bill Bailey was serving in the National Guard in Iraq when he was killed by a roadside bomb.

I would be honored to participate in security or military rights at any U.S. service members funeral or memorial in the Ventura area. In or out of uniform.

if they were at a funeral of someone i know i kick the ... .... .. _ out of them.
there sick.