I am just wondering if any other HD beside V-ROD stock models will beat Sporty on traffic light to traffic light war? I tried this trick with my 1994 XL1200 and 1999 FatBoy and FatBoy was in trouble. Little bit better after he switched to V&Hpipes and hypercharger but still no chances after I played with my rev limiter. I am just curious if current BT are closer to XL tails?

my uncle has a 07 eglide and it has stage 1 done to it and it is not even close i have never been beat by a bt and i ride with a few

A Screamin' Eagle Dyna could probably do well.

My dad's '07 Street Bob gives me a good run. I beat him off the line, up until around 65-75 mpg (not by a whole lot). Then he starts to catch up and slowly pass me. Then again he has 96 cubed motor compared to my 72 cubes.

1. power to weight ratio. You can see the power of a stage one 88 or 96 (or sleeper 95 or 103) or 110 cid BT in the SE catalog and the weights are on the hd website. Just compare the power to weight ratio of those to yours and that will give you an idea which one has the advantage.
2. gear ratio the larger the number:1 ratio the steeper the gear and thus the less the engine has to work to put the bike in motion.
3. Rider's ability. Do not underestimate rider ability as it makes up for a lot of power if someone makes a mistake or someone knows their bike a lot better or has a lot of experience getting it out the the hole quickest.

Sounds like shifting is important I heard that it is good idea to shift around 4000rpms to get good results (stock cam) with fast acceleation Have to try this this summer :-)

Burbur,
If you have a dyno sheet we could really dial in your shift points using the curves. Since the step from one gear to the next is not the same all the way up the gears, your shift point may vary slightly. On a stage one 1994 1200, I would likely start your shift at about 5000 rpms...I think you have a 5200 or 5400 rpm rev limiter stock. The stock D grind cams should pull strong to the rev limiter, but you don't want to hit it or it will cost you a tenth or so second. It is sometimes better to shift it 200 rpms before you hit the limiter. Again if you go from a dead stop, you will get the biggest advantage practicing hole shots and then running the bike through 1st and second gear (2nd gear it the toughest shift because you have to get your feet up and it has to go through nuetral from 1 to 2). Practice the launch rpms. I think the Sportster will shock you how hard it can be launched on a good pavement, so start lower rpms and work your way up.

It's and oldie, but still appropriate.....

http://www.strangepersons.com/images/content/8531.jpg

A one block race, gee wiz I wonder if the lighter bike would win.

How's about we race, first one to 120 wins?

I know you wouldn't think that fair, a lot of you can't get your bike to go that fast. (With out some work that is).

I have more power in my 96, and yes, my bike weighs 760 pounds, but I also have a six gear.

Does this make my bike better then yours?

No, it make it different, it's not made to race quart mile or through the twisties, it's made to cruise long distance.

Quit worrying about what the other guy is riding and enjoy the bike you have, and the next time you start to think about it, remember the old adage....

The grass is always greener..........Over the septic tank.

well i cant answer for the others jeff but i will gladly race you to top end.
i ride with four friends and they have all had the big bore kit done and my 1200c spanks them all off the line and top end.
i have a 2007 1200c, my buddies bikes are,fat boy,street glide and two ultras.

i agree with jeff, if your going to race do it on the track. a pro stocker would wipp anyone of us now that is fast.......

The new 96" motors will give your little sporty a run for it's money knowadays!! :laugh :rolleyes: :( :shhhh :laugh

Lets admit it, we like to race light to light. Jeffy, you could be riding a BUSA next to me and I still would race to the speed limit. It is fun and that is one reason to buy a bike. The fun of beating a BT is not about anything other than returning some of the shit issued over the years. If you think I ever let my friend on his fatboy beat me you are wrong. It is fun to race and that is why we do it. It is the street version of pulling out the measuring tape and measuring winkies. It is fun, not sensible, legal, moral, advisable, or prudent, but neither is riding a bike.

The apes have sealed my future losses because I am still scared they will come back into my lap when I get on it. I haven't even rde it and I think I am going to get some pull back.

I wouldn't attempt a low speed roll on (even in first gear) against a Dyna 96 as those motors have way too much torque down in the low and midrange but they make no more power than the rubbermount 1200 Sporty on the top end. Keep your rpm up with a good drag strip type launch and I'd bet you'd have a good race with two equal riders. With equal riders, I'd put my money on the Sporty but not by much. I'm not sure that the six speed would help the 96 go any faster on top. I think that the motor would run out of power before it ever hit the rev limiter in 6th. 60 some HP just isn't enough power to push all of that bulk to 135 mph.

My brother has a Dyna 95 with a Mik HSR 42 and Cycle Shacks. That 95 is torquey and the 96 is even more so, so they're more powerful in other ways. They're two different motors with different power characteristics. I like them both. If I wanted HP alone, I wouldn't have bought a Harley to begin with. These things are fun to ride while being lazy!

The wifey- poo and i used to do this alot. Dont get the wrong idea, she knows what she's doing. She's barely over 100 lbs, and im a little over 200lbs. On my deuce (which is now hers) i could get her off the stop, but not for long. In about third gear she would WALK away. Now, when i was on her 1200, and she was on my deuce, she would still beat me. So i'd say that the 100 extra lbs hanging off my gut has alot to do with all of this. Weight definatley makes a difference, especially on stock scoots. My SE 95 will walk them both, no questions asked.

I have had many hot rod BT's and none of them pull as hard as this sporty from stop light to stop light or nailing it from 60mph to whatever.

Take it it from someone who knows what bike is faster...Look at my bikes below...The silver one is the fastest:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh

Actually part of the original question was are the new 96 inch BT's a closer match to the Sportsters. The simple answer is the 96 inch BT's make a little more power than the 88 inch models. I didn't read the original post as a bash against the big twins at all, just a personal observation and a question about how would he stack up against a 96 incher.
One of the biggest factors is rider ability and knowledge and control of his bike. Become really familiar with your bike, it's powerband and how to shift it and it will make up for quite a bit of power versus a competitor who isn't as 'one' with his bike.
Then look at power to weight ratio. SO as to not piss off any BT riders, I will use EVO Sportster vs Rubbermounted Sportsters. Let's just use dry weights for each bike so as to not even include possible fuel load variations. My converted 2000 883C weighs in at 491 lbs dry. For round numbers it makes 85 hp (and we'll just use max hp, not the average hp of the powerband used when racing, to keep things simple. A 2008 883C weighs in at 565 lbs. For the converted 2008 to run with mine, it would have to make almost 98 hp. 491 lbs/85 hp = 1 hp for every 5.77 lbs. 565 lbs/98 hp = 1 hp for every 5.77 lbs. So the difference of 74 lbs means it has to make 13 more hp to run even. Again this is all just simple numbers to show how much weight really does affect performance.
I changed my mind, I am going to post a stat on the Dyna SuperGlide for comparison. It is one of the lighter BT bikes weighing it at 632 lbs. It would need to make about 110 hp to compare.
Again these are just simple figures; wet weight, rider weight, rider ability, gear ratio's, and average power used in the powerband when going through the gears will all affect performance.

I like the mathematical approach. A stoplight would be fun too. gret work shu. Still got the notrous kit?????

Only ones who ever challenged me to a race were a couple GSXR's at a light one day. I saved myself the embarrassment.

Only ones who ever challenged me to a race were a couple GSXR's at a light one day. I saved myself the embarrassment.

Hell you should have run them just for the hell of it. No need to be embarrassed, your Sporty is what it is.

I like the mathematical approach. A stoplight would be fun too. gret work shu. Still got the notrous kit?????
Actually I just sold it today. Someone else is going to get to have some laughs with it now. I am sure it won't be too long and he'll post up his experience with it on here:)

Only ones who ever challenged me to a race were a couple GSXR's at a light one day. I saved myself the embarrassment.
I've ran my share of sportbikes. I've taken a few and lost to a few in street races. I have to say that every time I see a good rider launch and ring the piss out of a liter sportbike I am always impressed. If I just wanted to go fast and get there quick, I'd definately be on a sportbike....oh and if I didn't have to sit on the man berries....think I can do forward controls and ape hangers laid back on a sportbike? Plus I would have to unplug one of the plugs so it vibrates a little. :tour Oh and take off the entire back half of the exhaust system....and all the plastic.......there you go a naked sportbike running loud and on three cylinders with apes and forward controls.

Actually part of the original question was are the new 96 inch BT's a closer match to the Sportsters. The simple answer is the 96 inch BT's make a little more power than the 88 inch models. I didn't read the original post as a bash against the big twins at all, just a personal observation and a question about how would he stack up against a 96 incher.
One of the biggest factors is rider ability and knowledge and control of his bike. Become really familiar with your bike, it's powerband and how to shift it and it will make up for quite a bit of power versus a competitor who isn't as 'one' with his bike.
Then look at power to weight ratio. SO as to not piss off any BT riders, I will use EVO Sportster vs Rubbermounted Sportsters. Let's just use dry weights for each bike so as to not even include possible fuel load variations. My converted 2000 883C weighs in at 491 lbs dry. For round numbers it makes 85 hp (and we'll just use max hp, not the average hp of the powerband used when racing, to keep things simple. A 2008 883C weighs in at 565 lbs. For the converted 2008 to run with mine, it would have to make almost 98 hp. 491 lbs/85 hp = 1 hp for every 5.77 lbs. 565 lbs/98 hp = 1 hp for every 5.77 lbs. So the difference of 74 lbs means it has to make 13 more hp to run even. Again this is all just simple numbers to show how much weight really does affect performance.
I changed my mind, I am going to post a stat on the Dyna SuperGlide for comparison. It is one of the lighter BT bikes weighing it at 632 lbs. It would need to make about 110 hp to compare.
Again these are just simple figures; wet weight, rider weight, rider ability, gear ratio's, and average power used in the powerband when going through the gears will all affect performance.

Shu,

I get what you're saying and it makes a lot of sense but I think that we need to add the weight of the rider in there as well (just as you mentioned at the bottom) and your numbers should change. Add in the rider (especially a big guy) and the weight differences and thus the added power requirements don't seem quite so great percentage wise, or am I all washed up?

As an example, isn't it true that a stock rubbermount 1200 is slightly quicker than a stock pre-rubbermount (the S model excepted) due to the increased power from the cams and cylinder heads, etc., even though the rubbermount weighs 70 some lbs more? Yeah, I sure wish that I could get rid of some of that extra weight. H-D could have made a lighter frame setup. :)

Shu,

I get what you're saying and it makes a lot of sense but I think that we need to add the weight of the rider in there as well (just as you mentioned at the bottom) and your numbers should change. Add in the rider (especially a big guy) and the weight differences and thus the added power requirements don't seem quite so great percentage wise, or am I all washed up?

As an example, isn't it true that a stock rubbermount 1200 is slightly quicker than a stock pre-rubbermount (the S model excepted) due to the increased power from the cams and cylinder heads, etc., even though the rubbermount weighs 70 some lbs more? Yeah, I sure wish that I could get rid of some of that extra weight. H-D could have made a lighter frame setup. :)

Don, to keep it simple I just compared dry weights. But weight is weight regardless if it is part of the bike or part of the rider. More weight and your bike will slow down.

And your second question is a good one and one that could be debated and debated especially on an XL website. But to keep it using the same logic I used above, let's do the math: I think a 2003 1200 standard weighed in at 492 lbs dry and made right at 60 RWHP out of the crate. A 2008 1200R weighs 565 lbs dry which is 14.837% more. So for the '08 to be quicker it would need to make 69 hp. Out of the crate I do not believe they make quite that much power, so I would say completely stock the EVO would nudge out the rubbermount, but it would be close. However, at the stage one level, the new rubbermounts with the better cams and heads start to show their stuff and I would say that at that level the rubbermount would be able to take the EVO. Like I said, this will probably lead to a HUGE debate and someone will likely post a bunch of websites with claimed 1/4 mile times for each one and someone is going to find what I just wrote as offensive and not take it for the simple math it is. Everyone please keep in mind that I am not posting this for any ohter reason that to show how power to weight ratio has and effect on acceleration.


EDIT: I used to have the complete HD specifications for a bunch of different year Sportsters, but I lost them when my computer crashed a while back.
Again keep in mind there are so many variables I have not accounted for in the above mathematics. One major one is the gearing of the bike. Getting the bike out of the hole and up to the powerband is huge in reducing the total ET. In addition, the powerband of the engine and meshing that with the gearing and shift points to maximize the amount of HP on the ground is HUGE.

I am not sure what the question is.
1. How fast you can accelerate.
2. How fast you can brake.
3. Both

If you have BIG balls you might win. Everytime. It all depends what braggin' rights you are trying to accomplish. Dyno sheets are a pictorial of what the MOTOR is capable of, not the rider. Motor specs are bench racing fodder that usually never becomes reality.

Maybe I am to old(Balls small, Brain big) to be worried about such things. However I am building a 105 hp motor for my project because "I" think it is cool. Just my opinion. Dont want to step on any toes. I have to ride the streets with those with less of a thought process. I want the general public to respect us(Motorcyclist). This is not just a situation with Harley riders but especially the ricers. I love riding and I want EVERYONE that rides to get home safely. Please do our sport and yourselves (and your bike) a favor and arrive home alive. Sorry, I will climb down off my soap box now.

Hidollartoys,

The original question was are the 96 inch BT's closer to the performance of a Sportster in a stop light to stop light war. I am the one that took the thread slightly off course to explain power to weight ratio and how it affects acceleration. I couldn't agree more about riding safely......but we all accelerate hard from time to time....it's just in this case it happens to be two bikes acclerating hard next to each other.

105 hp? You can't tell us you aren't going to feel every single one of those expensive ponies at one time or another.......;)

Shu all true all true.

Shu all true all true.
;) Hey I too consider myself a careful and safe rider most of the time, but when I am at a stop light and that EVO is pounding under me and somebody pulls up and starts the taunting, I'll look around and see if the coast is clear and it's safe and I'll tear it up through a gear or two:smoke That's the Harley soul talking you into it BTW.

;) Hey I too consider myself a careful and safe rider most of the time, but when I am at a stop light and that EVO is pounding under me and somebody pulls up and starts the taunting, I'll look around and see if the coast is clear and it's safe and I'll tear it up through a gear or two:smoke That's the Harley soul talking you into it BTW.
:D +1 here :D :clap:clap:clap

;) Hey I too consider myself a careful and safe rider most of the time, but when I am at a stop light and that EVO is pounding under me and somebody pulls up and starts the taunting, I'll look around and see if the coast is clear and it's safe and I'll tear it up through a gear or two:smoke That's the Harley soul talking you into it BTW.

Ditto here:D.

Don, to keep it simple I just compared dry weights. But weight is weight regardless if it is part of the bike or part of the rider. More weight and your bike will slow down.

And your second question is a good one and one that could be debated and debated especially on an XL website. But to keep it using the same logic I used above, let's do the math: I think a 2003 1200 standard weighed in at 492 lbs dry and made right at 60 RWHP out of the crate. A 2008 1200R weighs 565 lbs dry which is 14.837% more. So for the '08 to be quicker it would need to make 69 hp. Out of the crate I do not believe they make quite that much power, so I would say completely stock the EVO would nudge out the rubbermount, but it would be close. However, at the stage one level, the new rubbermounts with the better cams and heads start to show their stuff and I would say that at that level the rubbermount would be able to take the EVO. Like I said, this will probably lead to a HUGE debate and someone will likely post a bunch of websites with claimed 1/4 mile times for each one and someone is going to find what I just wrote as offensive and not take it for the simple math it is. Everyone please keep in mind that I am not posting this for any ohter reason that to show how power to weight ratio has and effect on acceleration.


EDIT: I used to have the complete HD specifications for a bunch of different year Sportsters, but I lost them when my computer crashed a while back.
Again keep in mind there are so many variables I have not accounted for in the above mathematics. One major one is the gearing of the bike. Getting the bike out of the hole and up to the powerband is huge in reducing the total ET. In addition, the powerband of the engine and meshing that with the gearing and shift points to maximize the amount of HP on the ground is HUGE.

Shu, I think you missed Don's point. Adding the rider weight equally to each bike, reduces the percentage difference in weight. Reality is that the bikes don't ride on their own.

Using your calcs above with a 200lb rider, the 08 model at 765lb is only 10.55% heavier than the 03 at 692lbs. Thus it will only require 66rwhp to match it in acceleration, everyhting else being equal. The rider weight definitely matters.

I also wonder how many 'stock' 96" bikes would be out there. There ain't many stock sporty's, there all usually modified somehow, even it is just exhaust. There is a lot of performance potential in those 96" motors.

For the record, I race my relatively stock 1200 at the drags (safe, legal and still fun) and have been soundly beaten by a stock 103" SE softail and 95" S&S powered custom.

:spank

Shu,

after looking at some old magazine test data I'm not sure I believe your RWHP numbers on the solids vs. the rubbers...

...though comparing one mag to another or even the same mag from one year to another really opens up a whole other can of worms when it comes to dyno results.

Lets admit it, we like to race light to light. Jeffy, you could be riding a BUSA next to me and I still would race to the speed limit. It is fun and that is one reason to buy a bike. The fun of beating a BT is not about anything other than returning some of the shit issued over the years. If you think I ever let my friend on his fatboy beat me you are wrong. It is fun to race and that is why we do it. It is the street version of pulling out the measuring tape and measuring winkies. It is fun, not sensible, legal, moral, advisable, or prudent, but neither is riding a bike.

The apes have sealed my future losses because I am still scared they will come back into my lap when I get on it. I haven't even rde it and I think I am going to get some pull back.

no problem once you got them where you want them add a bracket
(a tab ) to lock them in place (a notch in the riser or cover )
and ride it like you stole it!! :laugh :p:D

I think a 2003 1200 standard weighed in at 492 lbs dry and made right at 60 RWHP out of the crate. A 2008 1200R weighs 565 lbs dry which is 14.837% more. So for the '08 to be quicker it would need to make 69 hp. Out of the crate I do not believe they make quite that much power, so I would say completely stock the EVO would nudge out the rubbermount, but it would be close.
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Based on the information posted on the tech page at Sportster.org, a pre-rubbermount XL 1200 would run maybe 50 HP "out of the box", and perhaps 60 with stage 1 improvements. They don't specify what year and model that is based on.

A rubbermount carberated model will turn 60 hp or a little better out of the box, and 75 - 80 with a well tuned stage I. I don't know how the injected models fare.

So, 50 plus 14.837% is 57.4, and the 60HP rubbermount should be a shade quicker, given equal riding skill.

At the stage I level, the pre-rubber 60 hp plus 14.837% would be 68.90, and the rubbermount has a wider edge.

Well, I just got my adrenaline pumping for a loud-mouth-talking dude on a mostly stock 1996 Heritage Softail... He basically said, "well I've owned sportsters, and this would outrun any stock sportster", blah blah blah... I said, well...... not my sportster... He's like, "..well now you're just talking out of your ass"...

Well. :D :tour:banana
thats when my adrenaline got to pumping good... :D

So I say, you own it?? lets go for a race then. winner takes all. He's like, "well, I don't wanna take your bike". HA! backpedal backpedal...

Oh well, I kinda did want to take his bike. But I wouldn't have. Some people will never learn and will always talk shit. But sometimes, it would be fitting to put them in their place.

anyway... I thought I'd resurrect this thread out from the depths.... haha

Well, I just got my adrenaline pumping for a loud-mouth-talking dude on a mostly stock 1996 Heritage Softail... He basically said, "well I've owned sportsters, and this would outrun any stock sportster", blah blah blah... I said, well...... not my sportster... He's like, "..well now you're just talking out of your ass"...

Well. :D :tour:banana
thats when my adrenaline got to pumping good... :D

So I say, you own it?? lets go for a race then. winner takes all. He's like, "well, I don't wanna take your bike". HA! backpedal backpedal...

Oh well, I kinda did want to take his bike. But I wouldn't have. Some people will never learn and will always talk shit. But sometimes, it would be fitting to put them in their place.

anyway... I thought I'd resurrect this thread out from the depths.... haha

Seems to me someone last month started a tread about racing a Goldwing. Here we are now talking about racing a Softail.
What do these two stories have in common? Oh yeah the race never happened. :doh
How about not saying lets race for pinks, because that's going to scare 90 % of the guys out there with half a brain in their head into not racing.
It's time to man up and race somebody for a beer, a cup of coffee or just for the hell of it. :chtwo
Now call up that guy with the Goldwing and set up a real race, the guy with the Softail can be your next race. ;)
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, it's just time to stop talking shit and start racing. :)















P.S. I use to have a tweaked 1996 80" Fatboy that ran low 12's in the 1/4 mile with a 245 lb. rider. :smoke
Beside the pipes it looked stock.

I have run a lot of BT's the closest race was with an 96" Dyna super glide with stage 1. We rode together often. (and raced often) We were always neck to neck, But If I missed a gear or stumbled at all he was gone! A lot of the reason was this guy use to ride nothing but sport bikes. In other words He knew how to ride !

The better rider has the advantage always ! HP's are important but I will bet on Experience over power anytime !.............:shhhh

P.S. DONT BE SKEEERED !!!!

In a strait line race rider skill is somewhat less of a factor than a road type race. At the launch skill is involved but once you are under way most idiots grasp the concepts of redline/shift, redline/shift, etc. So in a stoplight to stoplight race I'd think HP/ weight and gearing, would determine most outcomes.

Seems to me someone last month started a tread about racing a Goldwing. Here we are now talking about racing a Softail.
What do these two stories have in common? Oh yeah the race never happened. :doh
How about not saying lets race for pinks, because that's going to scare 90 % of the guys out there with half a brain in their head into not racing.
It's time to man up and race somebody for a beer, a cup of coffee or just for the hell of it. :chtwo
Now call up that guy with the Goldwing and set up a real race, the guy with the Softail can be your next race. ;)
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, it's just time to stop talking shit and start racing. :)
. Yep, & thats what I told him. He wouldn't have raced me even just for the hell of it. I wasn't the one who started talking shit. But when he starts generalizing about all sportsters are this blah blah, I just needed to vent a little here. I was ready to race him, had my jacket on & all, (mind you I was at work) but he just wouldn't bite. You can flame me I guess if you want, I know I started a thread about the goldwing, but it just wasn't able to happen. Plus the guys getting it repo'd. There will be another time.

In a strait line race rider skill is somewhat less of a factor than a road type race. At the launch skill is involved but once you are under way most idiots grasp the concepts of redline/shift, redline/shift, etc. So in a stoplight to stoplight race I'd think HP/ weight and gearing, would determine most outcomes.

I have to dissagree somewhat Linkin, Its not quite as simple as redline/shift-redline/ shift. If you race that way I'll beat ya !..LOL

Knowing your bike is the secret, And knowing where the power/torque is..

Sorry Phone rang ! Anyway shifting at the right time is key, And that wont even be the same RPM in every gear !

Yep, & thats what I told him. He wouldn't have raced me even just for the hell of it. I wasn't the one who started talking shit. But when he starts generalizing about all sportsters are this blah blah, I just needed to vent a little here. I was ready to race him, had my jacket on & all, (mind you I was at work) but he just wouldn't bite. You can flame me I guess if you want, I know I started a thread about the goldwing, but it just wasn't able to happen. Plus the guys getting it repo'd. There will be another time.

It's all in fun. :)

I have to dissagree somewhat Linkin, Its not quite as simple as redline/shift-redline/ shift. If you race that way I'll beat ya !..LOL

Knowing your bike is the secret, And knowing where the power/torque is..

Sorry Phone rang ! Anyway shifting at the right time is key, And that wont even be the same RPM in every gear !

I have to agree, it's more complicated and takes more skill then just hitting redline in each gear after a good launch.
Most people would be surprised to find out they don't have a clue how to launch a bike at anywhere near it's full potential and as milmat1 pointed out the secrets to finding hidden power beyond the launch also.
In a road race if you lose by a 1/10 of a second, your unlucky. In a drag race when you lose by a 1/10 of a second, it's because you :censor up.

gotta say i've raced RK's, street gluids,fatboys, and a dyna and not one has got me. i thought i was hot shit one night and tried racing my buddies springer.....he has the top end board out to 113" and the bottom end is stroked.....i never stood a chance :)

It's all in fun. :)



I have to agree, it's more complicated and takes more skill then just hitting redline in each gear after a good launch.
Most people would be surprised to find out they don't have a clue how to launch a bike at anywhere near it's full potential and as milmat1 pointed out the secrets to finding hidden power beyond the launch also.
In a road race if you lose by a 1/10 of a second, your unlucky. In a drag race when you lose by a 1/10 of a second, it's because you :censor up.

hey... I understand... I race my buddies crotch rockets all the time... and get beat by them all the time.... but they get pissy when they cant pass me until x amount of speed... usually its after about 50-90mph mainly because they can't launch those things too well.

I would say my 1200 is like a "Strong Horse, it's not a "Gazelle (sportbike) or an "Elephant' (B.T.) It's what a Sporty is. A very nice motorcycle.