ICM Reflash Review.

[LuxBlue]

I thought I'd report on the results of the ICM reflash on my '04 Sporty per the M-1162 Bulletin. I had my bike delivered to me yesterday after having the front end chromed out and having the ICM reflash done. It sat all night in my garage in sub freezing temperatures. Today when I got home from a half day at work it was still only 32 degrees. I tweaked some cosmetic things that the dealer did, i.e., matching the clutch lever and brake lever position angles, (way off from the dealer's installation), aligned the turn signals and aligned the Harley logos on the bolt covers, etc. Yeah, I guess I'm pretty picky. Also, somehow they had knocked off and lost the chrome end cap on my left hand grip and lost the lock washer to my seat fastener bolt. I rode out to the shop and got new ones....no charge, as it should be. Anyhow, after doing all that, I strapped on my cold weather gear and decided to give her a rip. Before, in weather not even this cold, I used to pull the enrichener out the whole way and give the throttle a twist or two and my engine might start after cranking 2-3 seconds. Well.....today I pulled out the enrichener and didn't touch the throttle. I hit the button and it started INSTANTLTY! So quick it kinda startled me. The revs were very high with the knob the whole way out, much higher than before. The dealer did not touch my idle settings other than the reflash to my knowledge. I drove it down the road and it idled so fast I needed to ride the clutch to slow down in the curves. I kept pushing in the enrichener knob to about 1/3. It did hiccup a time or two on pull outs from a dead stop but the engine wasn't warmed up yet and again, it's pretty cold. After a mile or two down the road I pushed in the enrichener the whole way and it seemed to idle at the right speed. After warming up it ran NICE and seemed to have a brisker lower end when giving her the gas. The speedo seemed like it read lower too but the real test will be to ride the known distance to my job and test the odometer. So..........so far so good. Also, I may be imagining it but the exhaust sounded "barkier", if that's a word? Kind of a sharper sound, not neccessarily louder just more of a pop. Am I imagining that or could the reflash have something to do with it? The dealer did no carb tuning or fooling with my exhaust that I know of. :laugh

[NMdesertrider]

LuxBlue, that is reassuring. I have yet to get mine re-flashed but I have been meaning to do it. My 04 1200C has a lot of carb farts in the mornings as I ride to work, usually when it is under 30 degrees out. It also tends to hesitate when I try to fire it up in the cold weather. Especially if it has been in the garage for more than a couple days. When I get the ICM update done, I'll let you know what kind of difference it makes for my bike.

[jtsporty2004]

My 1200 is in the shop now, having a Bobtail rear fender put on. I told the service manger about the bulletin.He looked it up, said ok we'll do it. This is the first I've heard about it. I'll let you know what the out come is. JT

[rider1951]

LuxBlue, that is reassuring. I have yet to get mine re-flashed but I have been meaning to do it. My 04 1200C has a lot of carb farts in the mornings as I ride to work, usually when it is under 30 degrees out. It also tends to hesitate when I try to fire it up in the cold weather. Especially if it has been in the garage for more than a couple days. When I get the ICM update done, I'll let you know what kind of difference it makes for my bike.

Mine is still the same as yours after the re-flash, but the speedo and odo are more accurate now. It is still worth having it done. The hard starting could be do to the jets installed. I'm not sure what jets are in mine as the dealer did the set-up before I took delivery.

[Shark Doctor]

When this original bulletin came out, there were some questions on another thread about whether this re-flash would create problems for those with Stage 1 upgrades. Has anyone with a Stage 1 had the re-programming done, and were there/are there any issues???

[xena]

........... Has anyone with a Stage 1 had the re-programming done, and were there/are there any issues???

Original posters (Luxblue) bike has taxes paid.

[Shark Doctor]

Original posters (Luxblue) bike has taxes paid.

Thanks!!! Couldn't track down the thread...

:dankesaig

[rider1951]

When this original bulletin came out, there were some questions on another thread about whether this re-flash would create problems for those with Stage 1 upgrades. Has anyone with a Stage 1 had the re-programming done, and were there/are there any issues???

Yes I've had stage 1 done and no there seems to be no issues. Like I said in the above post it runs the same after as it did before.

[Shark Doctor]

Good to know. Chilly weather here last fall created all kinds of issues with carb, none serious and all related to warm-up time and misfires. Hopes this resolves that issue as well as some plug fouling that I think is probably also related to overuse of choke.

[gilx]

I had my ICM reflashed this weekend. Unfortunately, for test reporting, I also changed my spark plugs about 5 miles after. Engine runs much smoother and idles much better now but how much is due to the plugs and how much to the reflash is debatable. The one big difference the reflash did is fixing the inaccuracy of the speedometer and odometer. Before the reflash my speedo was off by a little more than 10% according to my GPS (Magellan MAP 330). After the reflash both speedo and odo are dead on at all speeds. This alone, for me, was well worth the 30 minutes it took for the dealer to do it.

[LuxBlue]

Rode some more over the weekend before the Super Bowl. Lots of snow run off puddles that dirtied up the nice wash job the dealer gave my ride, but it was fun!! Being an Eagle fan I won't ride again for a day or two until the urge to drive off a bridge passes! :laugh Anyway, the weather was in the high 40's on Saturday and I rode a known distance, 15 miles to my work and back and it appears the reflash did correct the odometer. Also, my bike ran great this time probably owing to the warmer weather. Once up to temp the reflash is noticeable to me on the lower end. Seems to pull harder starting out than before. Also, for some reason my exhaust sounds different??? But different in a GOOD way! Throatier, I guess is how I would describe it....probably just my imagination. Someone asked if anyone had the reflash done with Stage 1 mods. That would be an affirmative. SE II slashdowns, SE hi flow air cleaner and dyno jet upgrade on my ride. Seems like a good thing to do, (the reflash).

[Wardog]

I wasn't feeling good a 0330 hours this morning so I decided to take a sick day. Along about 0930 I was feeling better and thought that a ride might make me feel better. Decided to get the reflash done to the ICM. Bike was difficult to start, had to let it warm up longer than usual and had carb farts going over to Eastcoast Harly. Took them about 30 minutes and I was back on the road. My impression is that the bike runs stronger and the speedo is more accurate. Will have to check it against my GPS on a warmer day. Felt much better after the ride. Weather got to 62 degrees toaday. :clap Have a good one back to work tomorrow. :frownone

[KLars]

All-

I recently had the ICM on my 2004 XL1200C Stage 1 updated at the dealer.

I had P/N 32478-04 to start with.

They reprogrammed with P/N 32622-04A.

Is this correct?

For others that had M-1162 completed that had 32478-04 originally:

What was the P/N they reprogrammed with? 32478-04A or 32622-04A?

Thanks a bunch...Kevin

[nutsy]

im pissed i didnt get a recall on this. 1st thing monday ill be on the phone with dealer.

[RedRider]

im pissed i didnt get a recall on this. 1st thing monday ill be on the phone with dealer.

Save your breath.... It wasn't a recall, it was a service information bulletin. They are 2 different breeds of cat.

[LuxBlue]

P/N 32622-04A is the program # I ended up with, it's the most current.

[Turbota]

I have the SE ignition module P/N 31759-04 in my bike. That's the module with the 7,000 rpm rev limiter and decreases timing 5 degrees when your at wide-open throttle.

I guess the re-program you are all talking about would not be done on 04 1200 since I have the new module?

Ron,

[KLars]

P/N 32622-04A is the program # I ended up with, it's the most current.

Thanks for the confirmation LuxBlue.

Kevin

[Gone]

I just had the flash done. It most definately cured the hiccups. I don't know about a smoother idle. Maybe, but I couldn't swear to it. I definately noticed the spedo difference. I highly recommend this based on the colc hiccup problem alone. I used to have to ride a much longer time with the choke pulled out. Now it warms up just like my '02 did.

[nutsy]

i called dealer about this reflash and he said he knows nothing about it.what am i supposed to do now.it says when u take bike for service they will fix but mine never did.

[LuxBlue]

Nutsy, tell your service guy to reference Service Bulletin M-1162. If you have a 2004 or 2005 Sporty you should end up with Program # 32622-04. Good luck!

[nutsy]

i will luxblue,thanks

[GOTWA]

I just bought a stock 05 XL. In the next few days I'll be taking it into the dealer to have the performance upgrades done (pipes, a/c, jets). Is this something I should ask them about when I go in or is this unique to a SE add on?

[rider1951]

I just bought a stock 05 XL. In the next few days I'll be taking it into the dealer to have the performance upgrades done (pipes, a/c, jets). Is this something I should ask them about when I go in or is this unique to a SE add on?

Is your bike a 2005? If so look under the seat and see what part number is on the ICM, if it ends with an A you are already in business. With that said it never heards to ask the dealer.

[mroy05]

What does ICM stand for? how does it affect the speedo and hiccups?

Thanks for bearing with me.

[LuxBlue]

ICM = Ignition Control Module. The "brain" so to speak. It's the black box right under the seat. It holds the program for the ignition timing and fires the coil, receives info from the MAP senser and the crank sensor. etc. It also sends the pulses to the speedometer/odometer. H-D issued a service bulletin M-1162 that adjusts the pulses to the speedometer/odometer and adjusts the curve to aid in better cold starting, hiccups, etc. No parts needed, just a re flash of the ICM's memory and you're good to go. Current program is #32622-04A. Hope this helps.

[mroy05]

Thanks.
I asked the dealer today to look up my VIN for any service bulletins and the only one they had was concerning the fuel supply valve.

I'll be able to be more specific and hopefully they will be able to find it. :clap

[rider1951]

Thanks.
I asked the dealer today to look up my VIN for any service bulletins and the only one they had was concerning the fuel supply valve.

I'll be able to be more specific and hopefully they will be able to find it. :clap

Take the seat off and see what number is on the ICM, if it ends with 04A you already have the current flash. If your bike is an 05 and was produced late in 04 then chances are good you don't need anything done. Also another way to find out is check your odo against the mileage signs along the highway if your mileage over 20 miles matches your are okay.

[xl1200r]

I had to do a little convincing to get the dealer to do it to my bike...they didn't think it was for the XL's, just the Big Twins. The tech that had been wokring on my bike said it wouldn't hurt hurt anything, but probably wouldn't help much either - he said my bike idled better than most as it was. With all of the other changes made at the same time, it will be hard to tell a difference when I get to ride it again in a few months. The only thing I'll be able to look for is carb farts.

[JaggedEdge]

The bulletin says the bike should be a 2004 and a 2005 manufactured before
mid September '04, to get the update.
JE

[thunderpaw]

Right on both counts. Mine was an October '05 build and has the 04A ICM. The only time it really had the hiccups was before the taxes were paid.

Kim

[TenSixx]

I just had the ICM flashed on my 04C today. I'm sure glad someone started this thread because my bike runs so much better. Especially the carb farts/hiccups which are completely gone now. The farts have alway been with my bike even after the V&H install, a fast twist and I was guaranteed to have a hiccup and possibly kill the engine. I put over 100 miles today and not one hiccup.

[sleezyrider]

Now, with the re-flashing, correcting the speed-o-----I guess when we were getting 50 to 52 miles per gallon of gas on the "old" speed-o... it will now be like 45 to 48 miles per gallon... any thoughts??

[rider1951]

Now, with the re-flashing, correcting the speed-o-----I guess when we were getting 50 to 52 miles per gallon of gas on the "old" speed-o... it will now be like 45 to 48 miles per gallon... any thoughts??


Yep you are correct. I got 50 mpg yesterday on a 225 mile ride, before I was getting around 55-57 mpg. On the plus side I don't have to try and figure my corredt speed in my head anymore. :tour :tour

[LuxBlue]

Actually the mpg you got before the reflash and the mpg you get after are the same, it's just being recorded accurately now! :laugh

[DM-SC]

It looks like I'll need to call my dealer about this. My '04 is there today to find out why the Check Engine light is on.

I hope they get it sorted out before Friday...the weather man is talking my kinda talk for Friday! :clap

[madisonlink]

Took mine by the dealer yesterday, and was told they "didn't have the parts"! This resulted in a rather lengthy and somewhat confusing discussion about the definition of "parts", safety bulletins, and several other topics. They were adamant that since there were no SAFETY bulletins associated with my VIN, that there was nothing they had to do. I then explained that the SERVICE bulletin (which I showed them) wasn't about safety, and therefore would be in a different category. They then tried the tactic that they didn't have the parts. It appears that there is a module that comes from the MoCo that has the firmware update on it, and they plug this module into a magic box that they use to reflash the ICM. They said they didn't have that module, and to call back in 6-7 weeks! So, if anybody in the Dallas area has had this done, please let me know where you took it, and I'll take it over there. Thanks!

[chupacabra]

Took mine by the dealer yesterday, and was told they "didn't have the parts"! This resulted in a rather lengthy and somewhat confusing discussion about the definition of "parts", safety bulletins, and several other topics. They were adamant that since there were no SAFETY bulletins associated with my VIN, that there was nothing they had to do. I then explained that the SERVICE bulletin (which I showed them) wasn't about safety, and therefore would be in a different category. They then tried the tactic that they didn't have the parts. It appears that there is a module that comes from the MoCo that has the firmware update on it, and they plug this module into a magic box that they use to reflash the ICM. They said they didn't have that module, and to call back in 6-7 weeks! So, if anybody in the Dallas area has had this done, please let me know where you took it, and I'll take it over there. Thanks!

Which dealership are you referring to?

[DM-SC]

Madisonlink,

That bites! :madtwo

[madisonlink]

Yes, it does bite! I took it to Dallas HD in Garland. Nice folks, but this is the first service-related issue I've had to deal with, and I wasn't impressed...

[chupacabra]

See my post at http://xlforum.net/forums/showthread.php?p=51270#post51270 regarding the ICM reflash. This was at HD of Dallas in Allen.

I beleive their owner's are one and the same.

[madisonlink]

Hmmm, very strange! Yes, they are owned by the same people (they were that way before they got bought out in January by a mega-dealer from Arizona), so you'd think they would be on the same page. I guess I'll hot-foot it over there, then, since you've already laid the ground-work! :laugh

[chupacabra]

...since you've already laid the ground-work! :laugh

At least I hope that's the case. Between the fact that I had to convince them it needed to be done and the fact that they didn't mark it I just hope they flashed the right version. I did contact the service department after I saw the label wasn't updated to have them verify what version it is, but haven't heard back yet.

[DM-SC]

I stopped by my local dealer this afternoon to check on their progress. The good news is, the ICM reflash was done. It was a simple thing for them since they had the analyzer hooked up already for checking on why the Check Engine light is staying on.

Which brings me to the bad news...they told me they had done all they could do and had to call MoCo for help. They are waiting on a reply... :help1

[nutsy]

when i had mine reflashed they didnt put on new sticker.they just crossed out old 1.gave me paperwork with correct # .

[harleymanjay04]

i just called 2 h.d. dealers and both of them ran my vin and said that there was nothing issued for my bike.i will check the p# on my module to make sure.

[chupacabra]

i just called 2 h.d. dealers and both of them ran my vin and said that there was nothing issued for my bike.i will check the p# on my module to make sure.

Apparently the dealerships aren't as up on service bulletins as we are. Scary since the majority of people out there don't keep up with it themselves and depend on the dealerships to do what's "supposed to be done".

Can anyone out there give me one good reason as to why the dealerships are unable to look these things up even after we bring it to their attention?

I can totally understand a tech not knowing about it off the top of their head, but I can't understand why it still escapes them when they've looked for it and can't find anything.

Some service bulletins are minor while others can seriously affect our safety.

[harleymanjay04]

pretty scary.huh?

[LuxBlue]

In my case the tech I spoke with knew nothing about M-1162 but the service manager did. Although he didn't know it corrected the speedo till I showed him. It's one of those upgrades that really isn't a recall per se. It's more of a "if and when a bike comes in, check and upgrade as necessary". Makes me wonder how many bikes get upgraded and the owners don't even know it.

[DM-SC]

That's what the auto industry calls a "silent recall".

I've been through the same thing many times over the years with various auto dealers (several brands). It's funny really, they all eventually get to know me well enough that they actually expect me to bring copies of TSB's I think are relevant to my vehicle. :laugh

As for "WHY" some dealers can't seem to "get with the program" even after you point out a TSB...well, there are some folks who just don't like a lowly "customer" pointing out the fact that they know more about their business than they do. I say, don't take it personal...but some folks just can't NOT take it as a jab.

[DM-SC]

Well, I picked my bike up this afternoon. They haven't got the check engine light to go off yet. They're still waiting for a return call from HD tech... :frownthre

Any way, since I only live 1.5 miles from the dealer and they told me it would be, ITHO, fine for me to ride it with the light on, I picked it up.

They did do the M1162 SB reflash of the ICM. Though I only rode about 12 miles after I picked it up, it didn't sneeze/burp a single time. My bike would burp all during a ride. I rode 80+ miles last Monday and it did 5-6 times including once within the last 5-10 miles of the ride.

Hopefully, HD tech will call the dealer back with a fix for the CEL tomorrow... :smackh

[albe]

Thought I'd add to the fray of the ICM reflash, and my experience with same.

I own an '05 1200c. Bought it 31 October 04...has 3100 miles on her -- I'm a daily rider, weather permitting.

Saturday my lovely wife and I were out tooling around on the scoot (supposed to be running errands, turned into a cruise around town) so I thought I'd drop by the dealer and get my reflash scheduled for Monday (today). When I mentioned what I wanted done the tech first asked if I'd done 'some tuning'. I responded that I hadn't and that I was bringing it in for the speedo issue, and mentioned sb1162. He questioned me no further and told me to bring it in today.

I drove the truck to work today (really windy, and 10+ degrees colder than what it was last week), so when I got home I hopped on the sporty and rode it straight to the dealer, about 5-6 miles. When I got to the dealer the bike was just barely warmed up enough to idle without the enricher. It's always been cold blooded (to me), and 5 miles is typically right for me to turn the enricher off altogether. I never pull the enricher out more than 1/3...I live in AZ and the bike stays in the garage.

The bike has always had a good share of carb farts when cold, and Saturday with 2-up riding the entire 50 miles, and tons of stop/go traffic (we actually got stuck by a train and sat there for 20 minutes before I finally decided to skip the errand, and then got stuck in MAJOR Cactus-League traffic) it was carb farting a LOT; I presumed this was from all the stop/go traffic, and the fact that it musta been 86 degrees outside (the idiot that I am, I got sunburned).

As I said, I rode straight to the dealer and the bike was 'just' warmed up. I told the tech I was there for sb1162 (we didn't discuss what the bulletin was about). He took the bike in, and 15 minutes later I was outta there (btw, I didn't spend a dime buying chrome while I waited!).

My immediate impression on starting the bike was shock at how quickly it fired up. The bike *barely* turned over before it was running! Taking off there wasn't any hesitation or that odd fast/slow feeling you get when the bike is warming up. I've always felt the bike has idled too fast (easy to fix on my own, I know -- I have THE BOOK), and now it sounds like it's idling PERFECTLY to me. It *seems* like it's running better in every respect. I hit the frontage road on my way back it ripped through the gears taking her up to about 90mph, with nothing but perfection coming from the motor.

I only road about 10 miles coming home...Tomorrow I'll put my usual 50 on it and get a better feel.

I have to tell you, I'm wondering if it isn't in my head - the difference seems extremely noticable how much smoother she runs.

[cbrunson]

Got my '05 1200C done last week. After about 150 miles, I still dont notice anything other than the speedo correction. It also hasn't got above 50 deg. here and the last few days 30 - 40 deg. so maybe when it warms up here, I'll notice. Yes 30 deg. I'm ridin to work.

[tonyhds]

Albe, I agree with you, had my ICM reflashed last week, I even took a printed copy of the report that i got from here.
I was thinking the same thing, not only did it warm up faster and noticable difference in the speedo. It flat runs better. Throttle response also seems to be better at higher speeds.feels like i don't have to downshift to pass in 5th gear. Real happy with the improvement.

[harleymanjay04]

see this is what i don't understand.all u guys are talkin 05's,mine is an 04 and the dealer told me that mine doesn't red flag an update,actually 2 of them told me that.and i bought mine last april.

things that make ya go hmmmm....

[rider1951]

see this is what i don't understand.all u guys are talkin 05's,mine is an 04 and the dealer told me that mine doesn't red flag an update,actually 2 of them told me that.and i bought mine last april.

things that make ya go hmmmm.... It states any 2004 or 2005 produced before mid Sept. 2004. Also if you look at your ICM and the number is 324278-04 or 32622-04 and doesn't have an "A" after it it should qualify. My bike was produced in May 04 and qualified for the reflash. My bike doesn't really start any easier but it does seem to warm up faster, although since having it done I've just been starting the bike and pretty much riding off. Before I was trying to get the enrichner all the way in before taking off. I really had it done to get a more accurate speedo and odo.

[sleezyrider]

Thought I'd add to the fray of the ICM reflash, and my experience with same.

I own an '05 1200c. Bought it 31 October 04...has 3100 miles on her -- I'm a daily rider, weather permitting.

Saturday my lovely wife and I were out tooling around on the scoot (supposed to be running errands, turned into a cruise around town) so I thought I'd drop by the dealer and get my reflash scheduled for Monday (today). When I mentioned what I wanted done the tech first asked if I'd done 'some tuning'. I responded that I hadn't and that I was bringing it in for the speedo issue, and mentioned sb1162. He questioned me no further and told me to bring it in today.

I drove the truck to work today (really windy, and 10+ degrees colder than what it was last week), so when I got home I hopped on the sporty and rode it straight to the dealer, about 5-6 miles. When I got to the dealer the bike was just barely warmed up enough to idle without the enricher. It's always been cold blooded (to me), and 5 miles is typically right for me to turn the enricher off altogether. I never pull the enricher out more than 1/3...I live in AZ and the bike stays in the garage.

The bike has always had a good share of carb farts when cold, and Saturday with 2-up riding the entire 50 miles, and tons of stop/go traffic (we actually got stuck by a train and sat there for 20 minutes before I finally decided to skip the errand, and then got stuck in MAJOR Cactus-League traffic) it was carb farting a LOT; I presumed this was from all the stop/go traffic, and the fact that it musta been 86 degrees outside (the idiot that I am, I got sunburned).

As I said, I rode straight to the dealer and the bike was 'just' warmed up. I told the tech I was there for sb1162 (we didn't discuss what the bulletin was about). He took the bike in, and 15 minutes later I was outta there (btw, I didn't spend a dime buying chrome while I waited!).

My immediate impression on starting the bike was shock at how quickly it fired up. The bike *barely* turned over before it was running! Taking off there wasn't any hesitation or that odd fast/slow feeling you get when the bike is warming up. I've always felt the bike has idled too fast (easy to fix on my own, I know -- I have THE BOOK), and now it sounds like it's idling PERFECTLY to me. It *seems* like it's running better in every respect. I hit the frontage road on my way back it ripped through the gears taking her up to about 90mph, with nothing but perfection coming from the motor.

I only road about 10 miles coming home...Tomorrow I'll put my usual 50 on it and get a better feel.

I have to tell you, I'm wondering if it isn't in my head - the difference seems extremely noticable how much smoother she runs.

Gotta question, Before the re-flash, our cv carbs were adjusted for the old icm software, now with the new icm re-flash, is it, or would it be necessary to re-adjust your air/idle mixtue screw?? mine seems to be just a little off, just listening, but someone with a better knowledge than I could respond to this, and thanks for your thoughts...............

[DM-SC]

Gotta question, Before the re-flash, our cv carbs were adjusted for the old icm software, now with the new icm re-flash, is it, or would it be necessary to re-adjust your air/idle mixtue screw?? mine seems to be just a little off, just listening, but someone with a better knowledge than I could respond to this, and thanks for your thoughts...............

Mine is idling a bit higher than it did before the reflash. I'm going to ask my dealer about it sometime this week.

I haven't looked at the carb to see how to adjust the idle speed. Does anyone know the procedure?

[sflier]

Per the tech note, they don't touch the carb during the re-flash, it's just a computer software upgrade. If the re-flash adjusts the ignition timing (as it is computer controlled), then a slight idle change may occur.

[DM-SC]

Per the tech note, they don't touch the carb during the re-flash, it's just a computer software upgrade. If the re-flash adjusts the ignition timing (as it is computer controlled), then a slight idle change may occur.

That makes since, of course. My question then becomes, why isn't an adjustment of the idle speed not included in the 1162 procedure? It certainly should be...

[nutsy]

dm,cant remember what side of carb but if u look down behind air cleaner there is a screw for idle.u will need a long screwdriver.

[DM-SC]

After I actually LOOKED for the screw this afternnon, it was very easy to find. I dropped the idle down a bit too much and had to bump it back up a smidge. All's well that ends well, however! :tour

[chupacabra]

Hmmm, very strange! Yes, they are owned by the same people (they were that way before they got bought out in January by a mega-dealer from Arizona), so you'd think they would be on the same page. I guess I'll hot-foot it over there, then, since you've already laid the ground-work! :laugh

Did you ever make it to HD of Allen for the reflash? Just curious what your experience was..

[LuxBlue]

This thread's come full circle. I finally had nice enough weather (cold actually but not freezing) to really take a long ride on my re-born Sporty. The ICM reflash definitely corrected my speedometer/odometer error and the bike runs very strong, starts easier and has practically no carb farts anymore. I'm very happy with the results. After all my chrome and paint upgrades the shakeout run was great! Nothing rattles, shimmies or shakes so I guess I got it all back together correctly. Had a small exhaust leak that I fixed last night by re-torquing the bolts in proper sequence. Now....WARM up a little more, c'mon Spring!!

[madisonlink]

Nope, haven't had a chance to make it over there. I'm going to try this weekend, and if I can't make it then, I have some time next week. I'll keep ya'll posted!

[madisonlink]

OK, made it by Allen H-D on Saturday, they were very busy, but they knew what I was looking for, and were able to fit me in (they were having a big sidewalk sale, band, etc.). My initial impressions so far are MUCH better cold-starting behavior, fewer carb farts, and a more accurate speedo. The farts didn't entirely go away, but they are much improved. Overall, well worth the time! Thanks for the heads-up, I do appreciate it.

[tonyhds]

Dallas H-D did my reflash about a week ago and I picked up my new SE replacement filter Sat.that they replaced only after I complained to customer service at the MoCo home office.

[gronk62]

I had my ICM reflash done today.

I rode 120km (70miles) to the dealer and my bike was runnin' normal with occasional carb farts.

I rode past a couple of those road side speed indicators that show your actual speed and as usual my speedo was out about 5kph (3mph).

On the way home after the reflash, one of these speed indicators showed my speedo to be spot on so I assume its fixed that error...But it still starts the same, carb farts the same, and runs the same. Zero difference felt.

Bit dissapointed really coz I was hopin it would finally solve the carb fart thing. Oh well, spose I just gotta live with it :frownone

[nutsy]

gronk,same here, i was hopring to stop em too but seems to run the same but speedometer does seem more accurate now.

[Terrapin]

...on my 04 1200R. It was bone stock at the time. It corrected a 3.5-4mph speedo error (@65mph) and significantly (but didn't fully eliminate) carb farting. I have since paid the tax (SEII slip-ons, SEII breather, 45 slow jet. It's a Cali bike so stock main jet is 185). Now, carb farts are back, and worse than pre-flash. Damn.

My dealer was very interested to know where I got a service bulletin. They flashed the ICM on the spot though. I have been shown nothing but respect and prompt service from them (Santa Barbara HD).

[Stephen Hawk]

I have put 5,500 miles on my 04 R model and the only problem I have had with the speedo is the actual speed being registered, it's fast by 5 according to my GPS. Now, as to the odometer, it's heads up with my Jeep which has been calibrated. I do however need to get it in for the reflash just to get rid of the farts....

Stephen Hawk

[gronk62]

I do however need to get it in for the reflash just to get rid of the farts..
Good luck with that.
It appears to be a bit hit and miss in helping with that particular problem.
Some say it helped. Others, including me, found it made no improvement to carb farts at all.

[mroy05]

Dropped my bike off for the reflash. I'm a little nervous, they didn't have a clue about the service bulletin until I handed it to them (I downloaded from the Forum). We'll see... In any case, the Forum still rocks :D

[AdrenalineAF]

My bike is a 05 made in July and I needed it. I must say it was a bitch to get the dealer to do it, The service phone rep was like " your vin shows no safety recalls, if there is a recall youll get a post card" I said " uh huh, but I am looking at the service bulletin right here, let me read it to you" eventually he gave in and got the service manager who apologized for his incompetence and got me in for it at my convieneince. My impressions are the same as some others, faster idle and better cold starting. It was 33 degrees when I took it home and it idled a lot quicker than before.

[DM-SC]

Speaking of the increased idle speed, I asked the service manager at my local stealer about it. He said they don't adjust the idle speed when they do the ICM update. He also said that H-D was recommending an idle speed of 1,050 rpm! His comment was, "that's a bit higher than most traditional H-D owners want it to be". :laugh

On the carb farts, my bike still does it some, it just does it a lot less and most of the times it does it, the bike is still cold.

[garman68hd]

Just found this thread..

I can see from the bulletin that this seems to apply to US bikes. Have any of you European based guys any experience with this issue?

Bert maybe?

Of course I will check my current p/n, but not knowing wether it applies or not makes me a bit unsecure.

I am now experiencing occasional carb farts, but the weather is also quite cold, so I haven't really given it any thought.

[vetteguy]

Dropped my bike off for the reflash. I'm a little nervous, they didn't have a clue about the service bulletin until I handed it to them (I downloaded from the Forum). We'll see... In any case, the Forum still rocks :D
I agree. It amazes me that the majority of the dealers are not aware of this until we point it out to them. Mine is at the dealer now getting 1k service, state inspection and reflash. They knew nothing about it until I gave them the SB # and they looked it up. They said they will take care of it no problem. It just seems that Harley should make them more aware and they should be the ones telling us about it, not the other way around. Guy

[gronk62]

I agree. It amazes me that the majority of the dealers are not aware of this until we point it out to them. Mine is at the dealer now getting 1k service, state inspection and reflash. They knew nothing about it until I gave them the SB # and they looked it up. They said they will take care of it no problem. It just seems that Harley should make them more aware and they should be the ones telling us about it, not the other way around. Guy
I was surprised when I rang my dealer to ask about it and they new exactly what the bulletin was about and had been doin the update on bikes since late last year.

Usually down here (Australia) we are the last to know about stuff but I was impessed with their efficiency (for a change :laugh )

[vetthed]

Got my ICM reflash today. Dont really notice a difference . I definatelly needed it had the 04 with no "A". I have a stage 1 done with a hypercharger and here and there I still get a carb fart. What gives? new plugs installed as well. I do have my idle set at about 750-800 when the book says between 900-1100. I like the way it idles there.

[DM-SC]

Got my ICM reflash today. Dont really notice a difference . I definatelly needed it had the 04 with no "A". I have a stage 1 done with a hypercharger and here and there I still get a carb fart. What gives? new plugs installed as well. I do have my idle set at about 750-800 when the book says between 900-1100. I like the way it idles there.

I lowered my idle speed down to around 750-850 and noticed that I picked up a few more carb farts.

My stealer service guy told me H-D recommends 1050rpm as the idle speed. He told me it was more for proper oiling than anything else.

[vetthed]

That must be it Dm...my father has the same bike with the same set up less the hypercharger (but had the issue with the screamin eagle as well) and he does not get them after stage 1 but his idle is actually high 1100rpms, mabee I'll raise it just to see if they go away.

[JaggedEdge]

When I brought my bike in for the update the dealer claimed it was not needed I had the 04A ICM label number which would be on bikes produced
after Sept '04. I purchased my Sporty in August '04 which would fall under needing the update. The bike has not been in for any service since buying it in August and I know they didn't do it when I did the stage one.
JE

[DM-SC]

When I brought my bike in for the update the dealer claimed it was not needed I had the 04A ICM label number which would be on bikes produced
after Sept '04. I purchased my Sporty in August '04 which would fall under needing the update. The bike has not been in for any service since buying it in August and I know they didn't do it when I did the stage one.
JE

I'd have a look at the ICM label if I were you. Something sounds fishy there...

[JaggedEdge]

I'd have a look at the ICM label if I were you. Something sounds fishy there...

Where would I find this ICM label?
JE

[DM-SC]

It's on the ICM...which, IIRC is under the seat.

[jbcant]

When you take the seat off you will see the module and there is a stick on barcode type label with the numbers you need to find. It is real easy to see.

[mroy05]

I had the reflash done a couple of weeks ago. The carb farts are not as bad.
However, my bike now smells like gas.

[hdrider]

I had my 04 1200c reflashed 3 weeks ago. It fixed my under reporting speedo reading. It does also seem to be much less cold blooded. I ride to work whenever it is dry and above 40 degrees. It starts a bit easier and warms up in 2 to 3 minutes instead of 10. However it did nothing to help with the occasional carb farts.

[aka_Matt]

i called my dealer today to set up an appointment... he had no idea what i was talking about... he asked if i got a recall notice... idiot... i told him it was a bulletin, not a recall, and to look it up... he asks where i heard about it, i told him the internet... he asks for my VIN, and says he'll call me back... he calls back like half hr later, and says he's gonna hafta look at my bike to see if its been updated, as its not for all bikes, i told him i know my bike needs it, its an early build date, and i know my speedo is way off... i hate that service dept...

[XLFREAK]

Really like your paint Matt.. Bike looks great

[JaggedEdge]

I'd have a look at the ICM label if I were you. Something sounds fishy there...

I looked under the seat and there is tag raped around one of the harness
wirers, that says REV A. How and when it was done beats me. I still have carb farts and backfires from the exhaust.
JE

[JaggedEdge]

When I had cars that used a carb and they had carb farts it would blow out the gaskets, ruin the floats and jets. Is this not a problem with these CV carbs?
JE

[DM-SC]

It must not be a problem...seing as how all of them do it... :rolleyes:

[XL-DecentGlide]

I just got mine back yesterday.

No real difference in the farts (although I do enjoy ripping ass in the wind myself in hopes that some cager will smell it)

But I notice that the idle quality is different...smoother.

i do however think it was faster before? Who knows...maybe Im just crazy

[canroc]

Got mine done yesterday.

It definiitely warms up sooner... and mine also seems faster in accleration.. almost fell off the bike when I let it rip..

[DM-SC]

I had my local stealer update Paula's '05 883L Saturday morning. This bike was really cold natured with lots of carb farts before the reflash. It now starts much better with fewer carb farts.

[shaggybob]

I just called my local dealer about this and they said that affected bike owners would be notified by mail. Did any of you receive notice about this in the mail?

Thanks,
Bob

[bluescoot]

I just called my local dealer about this and they said that affected bike owners would be notified by mail. Did any of you receive notice about this in the mail?


Bull. No notices are sent out for this. I sure didn't receive one and my bike was definitely one of the ones affected (an early 05 manufactured in late 04). In fact, if they look up your VIN in the computer, it won't show anything. This is not a RECALL, it is a TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN. Therein lies the difference. Print out a copy and take it into the dealership so they can't jerk you around. There's a link to it somewhere in this thread.

By the way, I had the reflash done a couple of months ago. I also noticed that the idle seems smoother and it warms up faster (less enrichener needed :clap ).

[chupacabra]

I just called my local dealer about this and they said that affected bike owners would be notified by mail. Did any of you receive notice about this in the mail?

Thanks,
Bob

No, I never got anything via mail. That's what the dealer tried to tell me too, but I had the printout from this site.

"Nothing needs to be done for your vin."

My answer was yes it does, here's the paper.

Their response was "no, this is just for big twins."

My answer was once again, yes it does, here's the paper.

The guy then dissappeared in the back room for 5 minutes with the piece of paper and came out to tell me yes we'll have to flash the ICM on your bike.

Efficiency at it's best...

Not sure why they couldn't have just :
a) found it on their computer system since it is a documented update
b) taken a moment to read the damn piece of paper before telling me more than once that I was wrong since I had it in my hand
c) taken me seriously to begin with (since I'd already researched it)

On top of all of this, they didn't update the version on the ICM module itself. I noticed this later and called to confirm what version it was since there was no other way for me to find out. After multiple contacts, emails, and phone messages they still couldn't bother to get back to me with an answer.

This was my first service experience at Harley Davidson of Dallas in Allen and needless to say I won't be using them again if I can help it. I'm assuming the update was done correctly, but will ask the next tech I use to check just in case since I have to say I'm less than confident given the way they handled what should have been a VERY simple WELL DOCUMENTED service update.

[bluescoot]

Here's the address for the Technical Service Bulletins:

http://www.harleyhog.co.uk/M_bulletins.htm

It is # M-1162.

[bluescoot]

Somewhere floating around the forums there is a link regarding the ICM Re-Flash that applies specifically to the 883. I printed it out when I had mine done in Feb. From what I can remember, it has a "B" on the end of the part number instead of an "A". Does anyone know where that document link is? I think it was dated Dec. 04. But it does not appear with the other TSB's at the link above. I wish I would have kept it, but I left it at the dealership.

Thanks.

[DM-SC]

There's a thread in the Servicw Bulletin section:

M1162 - Reflash Bulletin (http://www.xlforum.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1378)

[thebisch]

It must not be a problem...seing as how all of them do it... :rolleyes:

My '04 1200R doesn't do it. I acctually doen't even know what a carb fart is! Maybe that is because I left my carb and intake alone and left it stock.

[xl1200r]

I had it done to mine. Don't notice much difference in idle quality, but startups are much easier. In can be dead cold out and still only need to crank over 3 or 4 times

[bluescoot]

I FOUND IT! Here's a link to the update to the M-1162 TSB which applies only to the 883. This version ends in "B" instead of "A". This is what I had put on mine. I haven't seen anyone on the forums discuss this though. Check it out.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/hddiagrams/TT_December_06_2004___XL883_Ignition_module_calibr ation_changes.pdf

[Bill2]

Hey thanks bluescoot, i knew about the M1162 reflash bulletin but did'nt know a thing about the (B#'s) for the 883 only. Again thanks, Bill2

[shaggybob]

Well I finally talked to someone decent at the dealer, and have an apoointment tomorrow morning. But now a thought has crossed my mind. I spent time and money dyno tuning my current setup. Is the reflash going to screw that up, and how bad? :frownone

[phreak]

Went in for the 5k service today.

Yesterday before I went in I called the service department, and asked them if they knew about it, and if they could do it? The dealer was real good. They knew about it in advance and said it would be no problem to do it while doing the service.

Here's the info from the report they gave me:

Before recalibration
ECM/ICM Part # - 32478-04
Calibration ID - 32867-04A
Calibration Part # - none

After recalibration
ECM/ICM Part # - 32622-04A
Calibration ID - 32867-04B
Calibration Part # - 32867-04B/DT
Type of calibration - Revised Domestic

Description of New Calibration
Revised Stock Calibration with improved Spark Map Tables. This Calibration retrofits for this model and is comparable or superior to the O.E. Calibration from an emissions standpoint.

The above info is from a report they printed out after performing the reflash. I have always been real happy with my dealer, Champion Harley of Roswell, NM.

I've got a prepaid maintence agreement with them from when I bought my bike. At 1k they just put the plain ol black oil filter on. Which makes sense, since it's cheaper, and it's their dime. This time they put the chrome one on. :D Did I mention I really like my dealer, Champion Harley of Roswell?

So far after the reflash, I have put about 40 miles on the bike, and made several stops. The bike seems to start easier, no choke, and the idle is good. The speedometer correction seems to be there. I'll find out if the carb farts are gone tomorrow when I go to start her up. As far as whether or not it's peppier, I can't say yet. I had a passanger for the 40 miles.

[csaintg]

Is it me, or does carb farts seem to be a cold weather thing? It looks like the guys in AZ and NM have no problem with it, while the guys in Philly can't turn their enricher down :D

CJ

[roderash]

Does the dealer charge a fee for this reflash update?

[phreak]

Is it me, or does carb farts seem to be a cold weather thing? It looks like the guys in AZ and NM have no problem with it, while the guys in Philly can't turn their enricher down :D

CJ
I get carb farts.... when it's cold. I get them a lot less, and less severe now. I can make it fart, but it won't if I don't force it. Tried it out this AM, pulled the enricher to start, but then closed. The bike didn't die which it usually would, warmed up in mere minutes.

Does the dealer charge a fee for this reflash update?
Dealer didn't charge me, and I don't believe any of them should or will charge for it.

[DM-SC]

Is it me, or does carb farts seem to be a cold weather thing? It looks like the guys in AZ and NM have no problem with it, while the guys in Philly can't turn their enricher down :D

CJ

I get carb farts in all conditions. It was mid t0's here yesterday and I got several riding around town.

[Bill2]

I get carb farts in all conditions. It was mid t0's here yesterday and I got several riding around town.<<<<<<<<<<<<<< If you put a 45 pilot jet in your carb it makes it richer off idle. Then that first burst of gas off idle want be lean! So with a 45 pilot jet and a reflash if you need it the "carb farts" :frownthre should be a thing of the past. :clap

[nutsy]

i got reflash and 45 slow jet.still get em but once really warmed up there less frequent.just 1 here and there.

[npd_66]

Can Anyone give me some information on where they found out about this service bulletin. I called my dealer and they have heard nothing about it. They are currently checking it out but haven't heard anything from them yet.

[jrkazar]

Can Anyone give me some information on where they found out about this service bulletin.

print the pdf file and bring it to them...

[npd_66]

Thanks again!!!!

[makster1297]

i ended up putting a 46 slow jet in my 04 883, very very rarley do i get a carb fart, still need to do icm reflash.

[Alasportster]

I think you'll find the Speedo to be more accurate now- mine shows about four miles in a hundred less than before, on a trip to work I've been making for a long time using the same route, so it's a known quantity.

[djjacobs]

Do Dealers suffer from an amnesia when you ask about this kind of stuff? I think I should start wearing a helmet! The first remark is "Where did you hear about this stuff? The INTERNET?" It now is up for a debate that cannot be won because of the source. The one lad in New Mexico that has a decent dealer, will probably not have a dealer for long. (Sorry about the sarcasm).
I love my Harley (XL883C 2004), I just wish some dealers would live up to the surveys they want you to be so positive on.

[Barrie]

Hi from England, 1200 Custom 2005 model, had a reflash this made the bike more tractable but not to the degree that I expected, I suspected that the ignition was still a tad too advanced through the range, made enquiries about re-mapping at my local dealer, who incidentally are the puppies privates as far as we are concerned, definately not a stealer, and was advised that re-mapping is not possible with the Digital Technician equipment. Not to be dismayed I phoned Chris at Daytona Twintech, result was I ordered received and installed their ICM, ten minutes later I was back on the road with a motorcycle that was as it should be, no sign of pre-ignition, able to ride in traffic at 5 mph with the clutch fully home, plenty of grunt but a slight but noticeable drop-off in top end performance, who wants to blast along much above 80 anyway. Me now one happy bunny with nothing but praise for Daytona Twintech, very easy to set up, not cheap but you only get what you pay for and this is worth the money. Have fun and Happy New Year.

[883 custom]

Barrie if you want to make the twin-tec even better then order the pc cable and upload one of Ron's (Turbota) custom maps. Do a search on twin-tec on the forum and read posts on it.

[csaintg]

Hi from England, 1200 Custom 2005 model... who wants to blast along much above 80 anyway.... Happy New Year.
Are you saying you can't cruise over 80 on your 1200? That is not a slight drop in power my friend, that is severe! WOT takes me to 120 in no time, and it is still climbing when I run out of road and have to slow down!

[Barrie]

Hello again from this side of the pond.Sorry to be so long in replying,been a bit busy. As to running over 80 mph, the Twin Tech setup has shown a slight drop in performance, pulls like a train with a deeper more positive exhaust note, pulls to just over a 100 with no trouble on a local straight stretch but unfortunately we have not a long straight around here to play on, no doubt it would pull to 110 or a tad over, not really set up for more, has a Kuryakyn
Hypercharger and has been rejetted and on Harley slashcuts, not Screaming Eagles as they are about to become illegal, as illegal as exceeding 70 mph, but easier to prosecute for. As one of your correspondents has said it may prove a tad more beneficial to reprogramme with another, proven, advance curve. Just bought a 17" laptop and may play about with advance curves when the weather improves. All the best from this side of the water.:D :D

[Turbota]

Barrie .... Get that cable and I will send you a MAP program that will wake the bike up.

P.S. You don't have to use a laptop if you feel like lugging your desktop computor out in the garage to load the program ... that's up to you.

[Likestoeatpaste]

My 2004 XL1200C will only pop if I blip the throtle with the clutch engaged... but not every time. It is stock and has the old module. Ugly when it does happen though. :wtf

[GreezyRider]

I just wanted to add my.02 to the ICM reflash review.

Here's my story. I checked Diag mode and found my bike needed the update so, I went to the stealer and they told me there was no download available for my bike. They claimed that only EFI bikes needed an ECM reflash. I quickly corrected them "ICM" on carbureted bikes. Then I pulled out a copy of the Service Bulletin. They tried to act cool about it. They read it and were like "Hmmm....Let me hook up your bike & check it out".

I then had a cell phone call so I stood outside I talked on the phone for a good 10 min while the tech brought my bike in and hooked it up.

After I came into the shop the Tech showed me the computer and it showed the "A" part number and he said I didn't need a reflash. He wheeled my bike out of the shop and said "Thanks for Bringing that to my attention, take care."

Then I started my bike and low and behold, it started so quickly. The idle was a bit high and it only popped once on my ride home and my low torque is just a wee bit stronger. Going out there it must have popped 6 or more times.

That sneaky guy reflashed my bike and tried to pretend that it was already like that. I noticed the change pretty quickly.

All and all I have to say that there is a very slight performance difference after the flash. The idle is very just a bit higher. The bike starts quicker and the idle to 2000 RPM pulls a LITTLE stronger than before.

I have an 883 and I am going to do stage 1 now. Next year I am going to convert to 1200 or 1250, I think I will get the twin tech then. I assume changing the displacement & compression will require me to adjust timing a bit.

-Greez

[shedds]

well i just found out my bike was built in july of 2004 as a 2005 model and guess what i have the module # 32478-04 and my bike does all the above carb farts ,longer warmup with the choke and very eratic idle (too low) so it,s off to the dealer thanks for the heads up

[waterdog_231]

I had the re-flash completed this weekend on my 04' 883c. I have a stage one set up and I agree with; easier start, better sound, less coughs, better response and increased accuracy of the speedo and odometer.

[el jeffe]

Had mine done 2 days before the warranty expired. Ran into the usual dumb-ass service writer not knowing what the hell I'm talking about, but thanks to posts here I had a hard copy of the service bulletin in my pocket for the fool to read...and he STILL argued with me!
So anyways, all said and done it runs better now. Takes very little enricher after initial startup, and after a couple of tweeks on the mixture screw eliminated those pesky carb farts and pops...well almost. I still get one on occasion after a long decel/blip.

[Folkie]

… not Screaming Eagles as they are about to become illegal, as illegal as exceeding 70 mph, but easier to prosecute for.
Hi Barrie,

This is news to me. I know H-D are stopping (have stopped?) selling the SE pipes, but I didn't know they were actually going to become illegal. Where'd you hear this? What about other loud pipes, V&H etc?

[Bill2]

Hi Barrie,

This is news to me. I know H-D are stopping (have stopped?) selling the SE pipes, but I didn't know they were actually going to become illegal. Where'd you hear this? What about other loud pipes, V&H etc?
They have always been illegal for street use. I think it's anything over 82 or 92 db's which is'nt much.

[Folkie]

They have always been illegal for street use. I think it's anything over 82 or 92 db's which is'nt much.
Yes I know, over here it's 82 db, or 80db for "motorcycles approved to EU Directive 97/24/EC, Chapter 9" (whatever that means).

But in practice there's no problem with having loud pipes, as long as you aren't stupid about annoying people. You often don't even need to take them off for the MOT (annual inspection on bikes over 3 years old), although you might need to find a sympathetic garage to take it to.

However, Barrie said they were about to become "as illegal as exceeding 70 mph". What would this mean? Getting pulled over and having your pipes checked at the side of the road, maybe?

I haven't heard of anything like this, and am wondering what he's heard, and what he knows.

[gronk62]

Getting pulled over and having your pipes checked at the side of the road, maybe?
The EPA runs roadside checks down here in OZ.

They set up at weigh bridges or similar places and have the police direct all traffic through.

The EPA uses a DB meter to test the sound level and if you are over its an instant $400 fine (at least).

If its way over the legal level (SE II's etc) they can make you park your bike there and ya hafta come back and pick it up on a trailer.

[nite53]

Hey Guys!
Thanks so much for this post. I just bought a 2004 XL a week ago, and it was coughing bad. Spent 5 hours at Myrtle Beach Harley Davidson yesterday, for an adjustment, they told me live with it!!!!!!! All Sportys have a cough. BULL,,,,,,,,,,, I called them today, and told the service manager about the download, he knew NOTHING about it, or at least that's what he told me!!!!!! I take it back next Saturday to have a stage one put on it, and he will do the download, or so he says...

They sell a ton of bikes here, and nobody knew a dam thing about the bulletin!!!!!!!!! So,, thanks again for the info, I'm going to tell the manager and the wrench to sign up to this board.

[Kentucky]

I had mine done because I was tired of the carb farts. When I got the bike back the farts were still there but not quite as bad. It did however develop a secondary issue which was a stalling condition that would occur from time to time at very slow speeds like 5 mph or so. I told the dealer I wanted it put back the way it was...... Since that time I got fed-up with the stealer and fixed the whole thing myself.........

[snafu88]

Put on a Screaming Eagle ECM next week. Will this possibly fix the speedo being off by 5mph (slow).

[milmat1]

It sat all night in my garage in sub freezing temperatures. Today when I got home from a half day at work it was still only 32 degrees. :laugh


I wouldn't be able to tell if the engine was running or not because of the rattling in my teeth !!!

BBRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrr..............

Glad I'm In NC..............

[cootertwo]

"Big Brother" SUCKS a BIG one!

[csaintg]

Put on a Screaming Eagle ECM next week. Will this possibly fix the speedo being off by 5mph (slow).
How did the SE ECM work for you?

[gschwan]

can anyone post or send me the PDF of this bulletin?

Thanks in Advance, I really appreciate it.

Greg
gschwan@sbcglobal.net

[Folkie]

can anyone post or send me the PDF of this bulletin?

Thanks in Advance, I really appreciate it.

Greg
gschwan@sbcglobal.net
Email sent.

[normc23]

I have an 04 XL1200R & had the relash done some time ago. It cured the cold blooded nature of the bike & stopped the carb farts. After that I installed some cycle shack slip-ons & a K&N air filter. That produced a very noticeable increase in power. I am very happy with my Sporty!

[dieselvette]

Did everyone get this REfLASH done free of charge (like it's an unannounced recall/warranty item?), or do you have to pay? Did anyone have it affect fuel economy to fix it?

[rider1951]

Did everyone get this REfLASH done free of charge (like it's an unannounced recall/warranty item?), or do you have to pay? Did anyone have it affect fuel economy to fix it?

The bulletin says it is a .2 hour charge to HD. My bike was still under warranty at the time but I think it should be free to any affected bike. The gas mileage seemed to go down only because the odo was not reading correctly which is less miles traveled.

[Kentucky]

The bulletin says it is a .2 hour charge to HD. My bike was still under warranty at the time but I think it should be free to any affected bike. The gas mileage seemed to go down only because the odo was not reading correctly which is less miles traveled.

My 2004 R model was part of this TSB so I had it done. Immediately after it was done I noticed 2 things, the bike wasn't as cold blooded and it began to die from time to time. At the time it was done, I had made 2 mods to the bike. I had put on a set of baloney cut Cycle Shack headers and changed the counter pulley from 29T to 28T. My speedo and odo were corrected when I swapped out the counter pulley so the flash download didn't seem to make a difference there. When the bike would die it was always at a slow speed like pulling up to a stop or in a parking lot just after closing the throttle while coming to a stop. I rode the bike this way for about a month; roughly 1,200 miles. I took the bike back and asked them to put the original run program back in the bike and that cost me .5 labor hours, which I was more than willing to pay. Hmm, no more dying... Since this time I have completed the stage1 and the bike runs awesome. I have little or no carb farts and my fuel mileage averages very close to 50 overall but I tend to be a very steady rider. If I start working that throttle it will drop to roughly 43 in town and 49-50 on the road. I have no idea why my bike didn't like the new program but the stage1 mods have cleared up any problems that would have been covered by the TSB. I am very satisfied with the bike's operation and have no desire to have the flash download done.

[sandman460]

Do you have to take the bike to the dealer to have it re-flashed, or can you just take the dealer the ICM?

[dieselvette]

Tried 2 different ignition modules on my bike last nite. Both from '04 1200 bikes. Both have part #32478-04 on the sticker. Both bring up Pn 32883-04 on the diagnostic check. No "A" or "B" following. I know for a fact that niether has been updated, because neither bike has ever been to the dealer.

Can anyone explain this?

[milmat1]

Hey Ya'll What is the reflash for ?
Was this a service upgrade or a performance upgrade ?
Or just to fix the Speedo.

I know theres another thread somewhere for it but......

[critterxl]

Hey thanks bluescoot, i knew about the M1162 reflash bulletin but did'nt know a thing about the (B#'s) for the 883 only. Again thanks, Bill2

I know this thread was meant to apply mainly to the '04's and '05's but I was reading thru trying to gain some clue about some funkiness I'm experiencing with my '06 1200C just off idle. It sounds a little ragged in the transition between idle and more open throttle positions. Not bad, just not quite right. Anyway, this piqued my interest about the "B" suffix on the ICM being for the 883's only. I went to the barn a while ago and my module has 32478-04B on it. Could this be right? Or could this be the root of my problems?

[dieselvette]

I know this thread was meant to apply mainly to the '04's and '05's but I was reading thru trying to gain some clue about some funkiness I'm experiencing with my '06 1200C just off idle. It sounds a little ragged in the transition between idle and more open throttle positions. Not bad, just not quite right. Anyway, this piqued my interest about the "B" suffix on the ICM being for the 883's only. I went to the barn a while ago and my module has 32478-04B on it. Could this be right? Or could this be the root of my problems?

The reflash applies to models produced before september of '05. I don't think it's possible, but if your '06 was built b/4 sept. of '05 then you could have possibly had the "faulty" programming in your ICM. The B suffix would then verify that it has been reflashed, possibly by your dealer or at the factory or whatever.

It SEEMS that when the service bulletin was first issued, the A was for 1200's and the B was for 883's. It SEEMS that this later changed and it is quite possible that your ICM is programmed correctly for a 1200, with the B suffix.

I can't gaurantee that I'm 100% correct on this because there has been a lot of confusion with different ICM part numbers, etc, in a couple of different threads on this forum. The service dept. personnel at the dealer may be mis-informed as well, so you can't count on them for the right info.

It would be great if someone could contact Mother Harley and find out what info applies to what part numbers, manufacture dates, etc. and notify all dealers so that everyone could get their s--t straighted out.

[dieselvette]

critterxl:

By the way, it is quite likely that your issues are not related to the ICM at all (carb, MAP sensor, crank sensor, etc.)

[Folkie]

The reflash applies to models produced before september of '05.
I think you'll find that's September '04. The ICM reflash doesn't apply to any '06 bikes (and not many '05s).

[critterxl]

critterxl:

By the way, it is quite likely that your issues are not related to the ICM at all (carb, MAP sensor, crank sensor, etc.)


Thanks for the input. What I'm experiencing is mostly during the warm-up stage(and I DO use the enrichener). For the most part it goes away after motor is totally warmed up. It runs so well for the most part that I'm having a hard time figuring where this little bit of funkiness right off idle comes from-
Lee

[dieselvette]

I think you'll find that's September '04. The ICM reflash doesn't apply to any '06 bikes (and not many '05s).

You may be right about that.

[dieselvette]

Thanks for the input. What I'm experiencing is mostly during the warm-up stage(and I DO use the enrichener). For the most part it goes away after motor is totally warmed up. It runs so well for the most part that I'm having a hard time figuring where this little bit of funkiness right off idle comes from-
Lee

Lee,
These newest motors run quite cool, they warm up kinda slow compared to the older evo's. The also cool off very quickly. So your problems may simply be a cold engine, even when you think it's warmed up. If it's 30 degrees outside (really cold) your motor will run a little on the cold side out on the open road. It may even quit at a stop sign and need the choke to restart.

[critterxl]

Lee,
These newest motors run quite cool, they warm up kinda slow compared to the older evo's. The also cool off very quickly. So your problems may simply be a cold engine, even when you think it's warmed up. If it's 30 degrees outside (really cold) your motor will run a little on the cold side out on the open road. It may even quit at a stop sign and need the choke to restart.

Thanks Dieselvette, you've eased my mind some. My bike does seem to warm up rather slowly and cools quickly as you said. I've been surprised at times at parking it fully warmed up and having to use a little enrichener to get it to idle on its own after recranking just a short time later. Thanks-
Lee

[dieselvette]

Thanks Dieselvette, you've eased my mind some. My bike does seem to warm up rather slowly and cools quickly as you said. I've been surprised at times at parking it fully warmed up and having to use a little enrichener to get it to idle on its own after recranking just a short time later. Thanks-
Lee


Not surprising at all. That's exactly how mine acts, and I know the carb is tuned right because it's been on the dyno with A/F monitored, etc. It really does just run cool.

Kinda reassuring to know it runs cool, when you're sitting in traffic for hours at sturgis and its 110 degrees outside...

[mtbikerinme83]

I just got my 04 1200C's ICM reflashed today. I have stage 1 done, SE AC and SEII slip ons, with carb rejetted. Results?!? Both good and bad.

GOOD: With the new refash, I was able to go in half a turn and not get any more carb farts than I was before the reflash.

BAD: I can tell that the timing is different, and i beleive this has caused a very noticable loss in power for me in the middle and upper RPM ranges. Down low power seems the same, but before, i'd get to a certain RPM, and the bike would take off like a shot. Now, I dont get that effect, and it just seems like it doesn't pull anywhere near as hard through the middle and upper RPM ranges. It's kinda feels like the timing is a little bit retarded, causing this loss in power. I didn't get any paperwork, brought the bike in, told them about M1162, they looked it up, and they then went and updated my ICM. Any ideas what I should do? My bike feels like a slug now.

[dieselvette]

The reflash supposedly only changes the timing from idle to 1500 RPM or so. The top end timing should remain the same.

1. If you set your carb where it was before the reflash, is there still a problem?

2. I'd start from scratch on tuning your carb. The screw being in 1/2 turn shouldn't affect the half to full throttle much, but it's always best to start from scratch any time you change your setup.

By the way, what is your ICM part number before & after the reflash. On the sticker, and on the speedo diagnostic readout?

[mtbikerinme83]

I dont seem to be able to pull up the ICM program number in the speedo diag. I read the thread on it, but I guess I need a step by step just for the ICM program diag.

I'm assuming the number I was given after is the one found in M1162 since that was the service bulletin I told the service department about, and they had never heard about it.

[mtbikerinme83]

UPDATE: Today was really warm out (for fall in Maine, upper 60's lower 70's) and the bike ran great. The other day when I had the ICM reflashed, it was only about 45 degrees outside. Must have been that it was too cold out for the bike to fully warm up even after 2 hrs of riding, so the bike wasn't performing like usual.

[dieselvette]

mtnbiker:
I'll give you a step-by-step next time I get a chance to go thru it. I'd really like to know what yours has.

BTW, 45 degree weather will make the bike run quite different than normal. So it goes with air cooled engines. Thats why you should tune your carb during "average" weather conditions.

[mtbikerinme83]

Yeah, my bike is tuned for average weather conditions, which around here is 70F. I hadn't realized that by the time I got to really try the bike out that day and open in it, that it had dropped so much in temp. Like I said, being 45F out, and the bike being air cooled, I know the bike never fully warmed up. Works great now. Re-tuned it the other day when it was really warm out, at the end of a full day of riding. Haven't had a chance to try it out again, and it doesn't look like I will (winter is upon me). I wouldn't say the reflash hurt anything, but I'm not sure if it did help much with the carb farts, maybe a little, I dont get them alot anyways.

[Velocetti]

Where might we find the bulletin please? I am wondering if the the re-flash is needed for a 2006 or just for earlier machines?
Brian

[Folkie]

Where might we find the bulletin please? I am wondering if the the re-flash is needed for a 2006 or just for earlier machines?
Brian
No it just affects 04 and 05 bikes produced up to mid Sep 2004.

[TazzinTroll]

I did my stage 1 after breakin and noted bad mileage had reflash and all's good. The bad mileage came with the SE -ICM.

[Hoowasat]

No it just affects 04 and 05 bikes produced up to mid Sep 2004.

Dang! My '06 hiccups (stumbles, hesitates, but no carb farts) a good deal when it's cold outside. I could be cruising along at 60 MPH in 45-degrees, and I get a short "stumble" every 5 to 10 miles. Happens a fair amount at city speeds, too ... especially when it's below 30 degrees outside. BTW, my motor is stock.

I'll apologize now for raising this thread from the grave.

[Gone]

That's what happens when they are very lean and there is no heat to the carb.

[Folkie]

Dang! My '06 hiccups (stumbles, hesitates, but no carb farts) a good deal when it's cold outside. I could be cruising along at 60 MPH in 45-degrees, and I get a short "stumble" every 5 to 10 miles. Happens a fair amount at city speeds, too ... especially when it's below 30 degrees outside. BTW, my motor is stock.

I'll apologize now for raising this thread from the grave.
Could be carb icing; have you tried using Winter Idle Boost?

[Gone]

I took my '04 883C to the dealer last week because of the carb fart issue. I bought it used last June and had trouble with that issue right from day one. I told my salesman the day after and he said it had been sitting on their showroom floor for a little while and to put at least 1000 miles on it and get back to him (typical sales BS). It wasn't doing it everyday until the past month. Because the salesman told me to wait, they checked it out under warranty. The mechanic did the reflash and also adjusted the carb a little. My bike has never ran this good. It is awesome! It made a big difference and put over 100 miles on it Saturday.

[Hoowasat]

Could be carb icing; have you tried using Winter Idle Boost?
No, never heard of the stuff. I'll google it & see what I can find. Thanks!

[Folkie]

Could be carb icing; have you tried using Winter Idle Boost?
No, never heard of the stuff. I'll google it & see what I can find. Thanks!
Winter Idle Boost is an H-D product:

http://www.harley-davidson.com/media/images/productphotos/PNA/99889_91A_M_17ac8.jpg (http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444184756 3&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302290355&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302290355&bmUID=1176758148042&bmLocale=en_US) (click the pic)

It's quite expensive for the small amount you get (4oz, .118L), but the little bottle is quite handy for carrying around with you. You need to carry it with you because you put it in the tank when you fill up with gas.

I've had another product recommended to me: Silkolene Pro FST. This costs about twice what Winter Idle Boost costs, but you get a whole litre (33.8oz)! I probably won't need any more until next winter now, but when I do I'm going to get a litre of Pro FST, and keep filling an empty bottle of Winter Idle Boost up from it.

[shedds]

Dang! My '06 hiccups (stumbles, hesitates, but no carb farts) a good deal when it's cold outside. I could be cruising along at 60 MPH in 45-degrees, and I get a short "stumble" every 5 to 10 miles. Happens a fair amount at city speeds, too ... especially when it's below 30 degrees outside. BTW, my motor is stock.

I'll apologize now for raising this thread from the grave.this sounds more like pilot jet envy (too small) try #25 or drill out cap on bottom of carb which is the screw for adjusting pilot jet (my indy says stay away from that plug) just change to #25 pilot

[Folkie]

this sounds more like pilot jet envy (too small) try #25 or drill out cap on bottom of carb which is the screw for adjusting pilot jet (my indy says stay away from that plug) just change to #25 pilot
It could just be lean, but the fact that there's no carb farts, and it does this only when it's cold, says carb icing to me. What the heck is a #25 pilot jet? I think you must be thinking of some other carb than the CV that Hoowasat's got. The screw on the bottom of the carb adjusts the idle mixture, the pilot jet isn't adjustable. If your Indy says stay away from it, then I'd get a better Indy.

[shedds]

youre right that is the idle mixture screw but these carbs came with a lean pilot jet #21 and to be within warranty my indy says not too drill out mixture screw cap untill warranty is over but the #25 will help in cold temps .

[Folkie]

What are #21 and #25 pilot jets? What carb are you talking about?

The CV carb on these bikes has a #42 pilot jet. Even when doing the stage 1 most of them don't need a #45, they just need the idle mixture screw adjusting. IMO, refusing to do this job right because of non existent warranty issues is idiotic.

[sandman460]

I believe the #25 pilot is what's used on a Mikuni...

I could be wrong though, but I think I've read that on here somewhere...

Pat

[Turbota]

Stock pilot jet on a Mikuni HSR42 is a #20 (sometimes replaced by a #22.5)

Stock pilot jet on a late model Sporty CV is a #42 (usually replaced with a #45)

[shedds]

well youre all right my mistake it is the 42 stock jet on cv and replacing with a stock bt 88 #45will richen it up a bit (i asked indy and he said a 88 BT carb is stock with a #45 and he uses those left over from past jobs)

[Folkie]

If you only want to richen it up a bit, try adjusting the idle mixture first. Going straight to a #45 may be too rich.

[Hoowasat]

this sounds more like pilot jet envy (too small) try #25 or drill out cap on bottom of carb which is the screw for adjusting pilot jet (my indy says stay away from that plug) just change to #25 pilot

My '06 XL1200R has a CV carb and a #42 pilot jet is what's listed in the service manual as standard. I've ordered a #45 just in case. In the meantime, I pulled my carburetor off for the first time today, and found there is no cap to drill & pop off ... so the screw to adjust my pilot jet has been exposed since I bought the bike new. I'll post a photo later this evening.

[shedds]

well i just got my bike back from stealer after getting reflash it does run a little different still hickups but the running seems a little more refined idle seems either high or just smoother :hmmm

[dieselvette]

Yeah, so I'm way behind here, but I had the reflash done this spring and I can't say there's any noticeable difference, but I made a bunch of other changes too at roughly the same time.

But I am absolutely thrilled that the speedometerodometer is now dead-nuts on!!! I'm running a touring bike tire on the back which I believe is just a hair bigger than stock. When I go back to the stock tire it probably won't be dead nuts, but it'll be a whole lot closer than before!

[shedds]

update on my recent reflash done back in august i went out tonight with instructions on how to bring up disply on speedo and the number that came up was pn. 32883-04b i thought the 883,s had the (b) and 1200s had (a) but what ever the letter is it is running a little better (not much but a little)

[Leumas]

Hi Critterxl - Just looked at the module on my 06 883R. The module has the following part no 32478-04B which believe is the same as the one on your 06 1200? Either I have a 1200 ignition on my 883 or you have an 883 ignition on your 1200.....I am investigating which SE ICM to buy....hence trawling and came upon this thread....I'll do a search on line and see what comes up....Leumas:(

[XLCMIKE]

First off I would like to thank this board and it's knowledgeable members.

I purchased my first Harley about a month ago (04 1200c). When I test rode the bike I experienced an abnormal amount of carb farts. I talked to the guy when I got back about it and he stated it really hasn't been rode since it was put away last fall and it had old gas in it. I told him I wanted the bike but he would have to have the farts taken care of or we could deal some more on price. Well he knocked off another $300 and I was riding my first sporty home.

First things first was to drain the tank of the old gas... Well being my first sporty I didnt know that the valve needed vacuum to flow! XL forum save #1!

Once I got fresh gas in it it was off with the carb bowl. Cleaned everything up and out it back together. Warmed it up and adjusted the idle mixture.. XL forum save #2

Rode the bike for a few weeks and the carb farts were 2-3 times while riding all day. Then I stumbled on this thread and immediately pulled the seat to find a non updated ICU. I printed out the M-1162, took a picture and printed the picture of the ICU module. Armed with the papers in hand I was expecting the worst I headed to the local Harley dealer. I walked in the service department and told the counter guy what it would take to get this update done. I handed him the papers and showed him the picture of the ICU. He stated he was completely unaware of this flash. I asked if he could call HD at his convenience for a goodwill authorization (I had my ducks in a row!). He said I wont even bother we will just take care of it for you! He looked at the clock and it was 5:30 and I knew they closed at 6. I said I don't expect you to do it right now I was just wanted to get the information about getting it done. I said I will make an appointment when you have a light schedule. He said well we are pretty busy tomorrow (Saturday) but to bring the bike up at 9 am when they open up and they do it first thing.

I arrived there @ 9am and he already had the paperwork written up and just needed they keys. He said we have fresh coffee out in the showroom feel free to have a cup and I will come get you when it's done. I needed a cup of coffee but i dreaded going out the the showroom because I cannot walk out of there without spending money! I thought I could have the willpower to refrain from spending any but as soon as I turned the corner they had 5-6 tables setup with clearance items... $100 lighter in the pocket the service manager comes out and hands me a printout of the flash and said they road tested it and it was fine. He asked if he could make a copy of the M-1162 and I told him it was all his since I have the PDF file. The service manager thanked me for bringing it to his attention and he would verify the ICU versions on all the affected bikes that come in from now on.

I was impressed the service I received from the dealer. After all they were not the dealer that sold the bike and it was way out of warranty.

The sad part of the story is the original dealer that sold the bike,did the 1000 & 2500 mile checkups along with the oil changes never did the update.

We rode about 125 miles today and not a single fart.. So hopefully this is the final chapter with this problem...


Thanks again for all the help....

[harper764]

im way behind on this one, whats this bulletin about? and what needs to be done about it?

[Folkie]

im way behind on this one, whats this bulletin about? and what needs to be done about it?Nothing that you need to worry about, it only affects '04 and '05 bikes made up to mid September 2004.

[harper764]

yea, i just got an 04 1200c. can someone send me a link so i can read about it to see if im affected

[Hot Rod Sporty]

I was having problems recently with lots of farts and the motor 'bucking' coming away from a stop, as well as the motor just stopping at idle. I had the dealer re-flash the ECM and replace the Crank Position Sensor. It's running like a new bike now. :clap :clap :clap

[harper764]

so whats the deal with the reflash? is my bike affected?

[shedds]

YES they are all affected if built before OCT 14 2004 (THAT IS WHEN THEY FIGURED OUT THEY HAD FARTS!!!):tour :laugh :clap

[Bill2]

Whats way better than a reflash on the "04,'05, & '06's is a adjustable aftermarket ignition. I bought a daytona twintec ignition about 2 years ago and set the timing with it and with a tuned and rejetted carb its driveability is 2nd to none. Now after 2 years and 20,000 plus miles its backfired through the carb twice. BTW the timing is a snap to set with the dials on the module or you can hook up a laptop pc and do some custom maps but there not necessary.

[Folkie]

yea, i just got an 04 1200c. can someone send me a link so i can read about it to see if im affectedI haven't got a link, but I have got the bulletin saved. If you PM me your email address I'll email it to you.

Same goes for anyone else who wants it.

[Teal94gt50]

Not meaning to drag up an old thread, but has anyone had to pay for this yet? A buddy is picking up an '04 Roadster and I'm going to check and see if it has been done. I'm sure there won't be any warranty so I was curious as to what some of you were charged to have it done.

Will

[Folkie]

Are there still some around that haven't been done? Shouldn't they still do it free of charge, even if the bike is out of warranty?

[Hot Rod Sporty]

My dealer replaced mine free of charge, after the initial 2 year warranty, under, what he called, the 'emissions warranty'.

[volvobilly]

My dealer did mine for free three weeks ago. My '05 1200C was reflashed from #32478-04 to #32819-04B. The dealer said that that was the latest and only reflash available, not the #32478-04A. The dealer had not heard of this until I showed him the M-1162 bulletin. I guess the #32819-04B is for the '06 and updated?? Anybody else get the #32819-04B?

[Teal94gt50]

Thanks guys. I'll check mine out in the next few days, and check out my friends that he's getting to see if it's had it done too.

Will

[48 OFF]

Hey guys got a problem with carb farts on an '04 883 Sporty. Read the thread on rejeting and have since installed a 45 pilot jet and adjusted the mix screw. Thought this might solve it but still got the carb fart issues and it dies at idle sometimes.

Was hoping someone (FOLKIE) could send me the service bulletin. I'll PM you with my e-mail address.

TIA.

[Folkie]

Hi 48 OFF

Just seen this; I've been away for a couple of days. I'll email you the bulletin.

Did the idle mixture adjust OK, or did you have trouble getting it adjusted even with the 45 in? What a/c and pipes have you got?

When you turned the idle mixture in, did you get the idle speed to drop?

I'd be surprised if you need the 45 jet, and if you can't get the idle mixture adjusted right, and still have carb farts, I'd suspect an air leak.

[48 OFF]

Folkie,

Just got the drag specialties slip ons with the standard ac for now. I bet your right in the fact that I prob didn't need the 45 pilot jet. Just know that the original owner stated it's done this since new.

He did say that he had to turn the idle speed up to get it to idle right after the pipes. Seems to me to be a lean condition. Anyway I turned the mix screw out looking for the rich part and didn't find it. Turning the screw in I could hear a slight drop in rpms about 2 turns out. I ran out of time and daylight and really need to adjust the idle down to get a better idea of where I'm at.

The bike still has a carb fart here and there but not as often and it runs a little stronger on the low end. It will still hicup and die given the chance though. Which is what is making me think that it could need the refash.

[nite53]

My '04 XL sat for three months while I gathered parts after it was hit in the front while I was in a restaurant. After getting it started, it was hacking, coughing, choking, much like it did before getting the ICM flashed. I was sure it was the timing sensor, it would intermittently fall on it's face from idle, just hack, puke, had a terrible time, WHEN it would do it. I changed plugs, changed gas, , then, I got LUCKY!!!

Today, I was at Hard Rock Park, during the spring rally, and it just about got me killed, trying to get in traffic to get into the park, and there was a Harley trailer there, giving demo rides.

I asked if there was a tech there, and there was. He told me to bring the bike in, described the scenario to him, he said it sounds like a bad ground. I thought, Oh sh*t, here we go, massive bills searching a ground!!! This guy without trying the bike, ( that's how sure he was of knowing my problem), takes out the battery, removes the negative cable, cleans the negative terminal with a file, and the cable connector, also with a file, and then only tightens the positive cable. Puts it all back together, tells me to take it out and tell him what happens.

I took it out, no stumble, NOTHING, runs perfect!!!!!!!!! And, then, when I asked him how much I owed him, he said, nothing, you were having a real problem.

To anyone on the road, or at a rally, anytime you see a Harley Demo ride, keep that in mind, these guys are Harley Techs, pure and simple, and right there for us.

ALso, this maybe should be in the ICM reflash sticky, since I am CERTAIN that there are crank sensors, ICM issues only caused by the DIRTY NEG TERMINAL !!!!!

Even after getting my ICM reflashed, and the carb tuned rite, I still had intermittent issues with this bike, every time I took it out. ALL that was CURED by this dirty negative terminal. The tech told me that they are ALL very succeptible to voltage drops like this, and always watch for corrosion on the negative terminal.

Hope this helps somebody like it did me.

[Folkie]

Folkie,

Just got the drag specialties slip ons with the standard ac for now. I bet your right in the fact that I prob didn't need the 45 pilot jet. Just know that the original owner stated it's done this since new.

He did say that he had to turn the idle speed up to get it to idle right after the pipes. Seems to me to be a lean condition. Anyway I turned the mix screw out looking for the rich part and didn't find it. Turning the screw in I could hear a slight drop in rpms about 2 turns out. I ran out of time and daylight and really need to adjust the idle down to get a better idea of where I'm at.

The bike still has a carb fart here and there but not as often and it runs a little stronger on the low end. It will still hicup and die given the chance though. Which is what is making me think that it could need the refash.48 OFF, have you had a chance to check your ICM yet?

[Hotel Larry]

Had seen ref to bulletin 1162 elsewhere, visited local dealer to ask about this and any other bulletins/recalls for '04 models (bought mine used in '05, first owner had svc records, but p/n on icm indicated it had not been reflashed).

Svc guy stated no info on said bulletin and no others on record for '04 883s. So, are these the most reliable HDs ever ;) or was he blowin' smoke? How long does HD keep bulletins active and available to svc shops?

[Folkie]

Hotel Larry, if you PM me your email addy, I'll send you a copy of Service Bulletin M-1162.

[pvlittrell]

Went to my dealer today and inquired about the re-flash. Spoke with a tech who told me that carbed models can't be re-flashed. Said the new number "A" meant a new module. Asked him if the bulletin then meant nothing. He seemed irritated and gave me to "the boss". The manager looked up the bulletins and couldn't find one. I got dyslexic and told him 6211 instead of 1162. He said to print it and bring it in. He also said he doesn't like the forums. Says people don't know what they are doing. But he didn't know about the bulletin and agreed with the tech about carbed bikes not being able to be flashed. Came home and called them back with the right number. AHA, he found it. Says it will take about a half hour and will cost $43. I may argue the cost issue as it is a fix for a factory problem. Sometimes when I go in the dealer I really don't feel like part of the "family". They all act like I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Hot Rod Sporty]

Went to my dealer today and inquired about the re-flash. Spoke with a tech who told me that carbed models can't be re-flashed. Said the new number "A" meant a new module. Asked him if the bulletin then meant nothing. He seemed irritated and gave me to "the boss". The manager looked up the bulletins and couldn't find one. I got dyslexic and told him 6211 instead of 1162. He said to print it and bring it in. He also said he doesn't like the forums. Says people don't know what they are doing. But he didn't know about the bulletin and agreed with the tech about carbed bikes not being able to be flashed. Came home and called them back with the right number. AHA, he found it. Says it will take about a half hour and will cost $43. I may argue the cost issue as it is a fix for a factory problem. Sometimes when I go in the dealer I really don't feel like part of the "family". They all act like I don't know what I'm talking about.




If they told you that carbed models can't be re-flashed, then they're both ignorant buffoons that shouldn't be touching anybody's bike....:frownthre

The re-flash has nothing to do with a carbuerator...

[Folkie]

He also said he doesn't like the forums. Says people don't know what they are doing.
That's rich. A dealer saying people on this fourm don't know what they're doing? :rolleyes:

Especially since what he said proves that he doesn't know what he's doing. :doh

The bulletin is on its way.

[pvlittrell]

Thanks for the bulletin Folkie.

Took her in today for the re-flash. Tech (a different one than yesterday) said he checked the internal number and flash had been done. Says I have the "A" version. No charge so I didn't have to argue. Didn't put a sticker on it to show the update though. Atmosphere was different there today. Felt more like I "fit in". At least they checked it for me. Now I can not worry about it. Guess it's one of the things that sucks about buying a used bike. No documentation of what has been done. I'm slowly getting the important things figured out. Y'all have a good one and safe riding. Starting to get pretty cool here. But then again it's all relative.

Peace

In memory of "Frenchie", (aka Wilbur Escuriex) one hell of a guy. Left us for the great Cajun beyond yesterday. We need more like him. R.I.P.

[Ridin1970]

Thought I'd give my experience. I've put about 12k miles on my '04 883 standard which the engine is stock except for SE II slip ons. I've had plenty of carb farts throughout my time of ownership with both the stock mufflers installed and the SE IIs. It was definitely more pronounced when the engine was cold and just off idle when warm. I've also noticed around a 7% error in the odometer and always had more miles on the trip-odometer after finishing a ride vs. my buddy's '02 & '08 Sportys. So, I did FINALLY get the ICM reflashed per bulletin 1162 today. They did it w/o charge because the service writer said it was still under "warranty":dunno? I wasn't going to argue:shhhh.
I spent the afternoon today riding after leaving the dealer:tour. I can't say I really notice too much of a change with the way it runs as I've only ran it warmed up. It may seem a bit more responsive perhaps at low revs and perhaps a bit more torque at really low revs. But, the easy thing I noticed is the speedo/odometer seem spot on now as I watched the odometer click spot on with each mile marker over a 10 mile interval. I also 'timed' my 60mph indicated speeds at 60.2 seconds per mile, so it's good to go now!

[MAJBJD]

Well, we can add another uninformed dealer to the list. Took my new to me 04 1200R in to have the front MC recall done and asked them to check to see if service bulletin M-1162 had been done. They never heard of it. I told them it was a reflash of the ICM. They said you can't flash the ICM on a carb'd bike. Folkie was kind enough to email me a copy of the original SB. They read it and said OK. Took the bike in; the shop was already packed; and in less than an hour had it done-no charge. Not the best informed but high marks for customer service. Kents HD/Honda/Suzuki in Abilene TX.

[vtwins]

Does anyone have a copy of this bulletin? Does it apply to the 05 1200 C's?

[Folkie]

Yes, I've got a copy. It applies to '04s, and '05s made up to a certain date (towards the end of '04).

PM me your email address, and I'll send you a copy.

[vtwins]

Folkie,

PM Sent.
Thanks for the quick response!

[OldTymeCowboy]

I have a 2005 1200C. Is there a serial number range or cutoff for those 2005's that need the reflash? Mine will occasionally stumble in the morning, even in the summer heat.

[whatitstrue]

I have an 05 883c I never did the reflash although I remameber you guys talking about it alot back in 05 on here. Mine is probably one that its needed on. I bought it in Aug of 04 so it was probably built withim the range of the reflash era. My questioin is can anybody provide me with a link or copy of this report and is it really worth it ( do you see much inprovment ). Ive gone this long ( 6 years last month ) without it, is it necassry?

thanks
Richard

[Folkie]

Richard, PM me your email address, and I'll send you a copy of the bulletin.

[whatitstrue]

Folkie

PM sent

Thanks for the help and your time.

[nuke]

Folkie,

New guy here, I just sent you a PM for a copy of the ICM bulletin. Don't know if it applies to my bike, 2005, 1200R.

Thanks

[Folkie]

It'll be on its way as soon as I get your addy.

[=SB=]

Hi folks !
I just finish to assemble a mix of 883C'06(US) chasis and 1200R'05(EU) motor.
Some tips from your forum was VERY usefull in this work, but now I need more information.
Folkie, could you please copy the ICM bulletin to me too, please ?
I need to take a look on what a ICM reflash procedure is
and
does it help me to correct speedo work
(now it shows 25% less).

[Folkie]

Folkie, could you please copy the ICM bulletin to me too, please ?
Sure; PM me your email address.

[04xl1200c]

ok well today i took my 04 1200c to the dealer to have them re-flash its been in there for service before... i'm supprised they didnt do this when it was in there... anyways i got it done and wow!!! what a difference! the bike runs better the spedo is on... and no more carb farts... i road about 80miles before i took it in the oil temp was about 210(f)ish.... and i road another 50 miles home it was much nicer afterwards and i even took the bike to 110mph and it did really well (the gps agree'd with the spedo) i will give an update in the morning (it should be cold in the morning) if it still has the poor cold warm up but so far i'm pretty happy with the upgrade.... oh and the dealer adjusted my clutch for me :) for free! BTW i'm in nor-cal if your wondering great 70deg F day today!

BTW i wanted to add that the dealer said i HAD version "A" in the ICM and they installed a NEW version "B" in the ICM

[LuxBlue]

WOW! A six year old thread is still relevant! Glad you could use the info!

[04xl1200c]

well i seen everyone talking about this "A" version so i asked the dealer and when he loaded up his laptop and hooked in the techII to the diag connector he said OH you have version "A" i said oh? well it was worth a try.... the service guy told me that there was a version "B" that popped up for my bike :) i was like "awesome lets do it" he loaded it.... then adjusted my clutch for me for free... and i was on my way!

i got this bike from a guy who had it sitting in his garage for a LONG time with a battery tender hooked up to it with a bike cover over it... i can see how this never got done!

thanks for the info it really did help!

[LuxBlue]

well i seen everyone talking about this "A" version so i asked the dealer and when he loaded up his laptop and hooked in the techII to the diag connector he said OH you have version "A" i said oh? well it was worth a try.... the service guy told me that there was a version "B" that popped up for my bike :) i was like "awesome lets do it" he loaded it.... then adjusted my clutch for me for free... and i was on my way!

i got this bike from a guy who had it sitting in his garage for a LONG time with a battery tender hooked up to it with a bike cover over it... i can see how this never got done!

thanks for the info it really did help!

Glad I could help. If you ever really want to get the most out of your bike, get a TC88 ignition module and run one of forum member Rlutsey's maps!

[04xl1200c]

that will be my next upgrade... :) but for now i wanted to see if that would fix my problem and to see if the spedo issue was correctable with software and hoping it wasnt the step motor inside the spedo :) everything works good!!

BTW i just tested the bike out today and the carb farts when its cold is GONE! problem CURRED!

[LuxBlue]

that will be my next upgrade... :) but for now i wanted to see if that would fix my problem and to see if the spedo issue was correctable with software and hoping it wasnt the step motor inside the spedo :) everything works good!!

BTW i just tested the bike out today and the carb farts when its cold is GONE! problem CURRED!

Nice!!!! Ride on!:tour

[SDREDD]

Will the dealer upgrade or reflash the SE ICM I have the old code in it on my 04 1200c I got HD reference number so I want have to pay but I did not tell them I have a SE ICM I still have the old module what should I do.

[04xl1200c]

install the old module get the re-flash then install the SE ICM so if you sell the bike its already reflashed and the new owner can choose!

[Folkie]

Try punctuating?

[SDREDD]

Thanks for the response 04 XL Sorry for the crude writing. Will I have to relearn the SE ICM for it to have the latest flash or firmware. Any one know?

[Folkie]

If you have an SE ICM it shouldn't need reflashing. The reflash reltes only to the stock module.

[SDREDD]

Folkie
I Do have SE ICM. I checked the module in diagnostic mode it gave me a PN 32478-04 under P mode. Could you explain to me why? Having issue with cold farts and some hot farts. Seems to be running rich plugs are turning black. Checked for exhaust leaks none.
No Intake leaks. Inricher is on for a few minutes at full when cold. Having bad gas millage
Runs Like a bat out of hell when running right. No codes in diagnostic mode. SE II Slip ons
SE Filter, Jetted I believe 45, Andrews N4 Cams, Have some popping on the rear cylinder
When cold. But when it gets warmed up it will haul the mail. I not sure how to adjust fuel mixture on the carb. Is the Mixture screw accessible? Please help use to not do all this after all upgrades.

[RK05]

Is the sticker "on" the ICM the only place to check what p/n you have (besides HD scan tool)? My wifes has the one that needs updating but didn't know if they just didn't change the sticker?

I checked the diagnostic but none of those p/n's refer to anything listed so far.

This is on a 04' 883C

[RK05]

Skip where to find the p/n. I just called two local dealers and both are going to charge me for the flash $200.

I think I'm going to just buy the TC88A ignition!

[LuxBlue]

Skip where to find the p/n. I just called two local dealers and both are going to charge me for the flash $200.

I think I'm going to just buy the TC88A ignition!

That's bullsh&t....they should do it for free! But the TC88A is way better anyway, get a map from Rico. (forum member Rlutsey)

[RK05]

Yeah, they said they have to charge me since its not a saftey recall per HD.

Looking for a used TC88A now since we don't have the extra cash.

[whatitstrue]

Well finnaly got the reflash done after almost 7 years. I called up the dealership I got my bike from just to make sure they were up to speed. Of course they werent. The guy was a real ass, nice at first though. said yeah no problem whats the vin #. I gave it to him then he couldnt find anything for my bike in the computer as its not a saftey recall. So I tell him its a service bullitin and the :censor just would not listen. So we argued for a couple a minutes and he just kept telling me theres nothing wrong with my bike slitley laughing under his breath like Im some sort of dumb :censor.

So I call the dealership by my house, tell him I need a download from a service bullitin. He says whats the bullitin and asks me to hold. Comes back on and says it shouldnt be a problem, he just need to contact the factory to make sure he could still get a good will authorization and said hed call me back. 5 minutes later he calls me back says no problem, come in sometime tomorrow, it should only take about 20 min. Long story short (too late) 20 min and zero charge I was out of there.

Speedometer was dead on now. My bike has always run good and its probably in my head but it seems to run even better now.

For those of you that the dealer claims there is a charge for this, its B.S. unless they call the factory and you are denied a good will authorization.

[Charles Kelley]

Does anybody know if this applies to the 06 models?

[whatitstrue]

No, it applies to the 04's and early 05's

The part number is corect and does not need a reflash if it's 32478-04A, 32622-04A or the last letter is b or c.

[pdedse]

My 04 1200C has always exhibited signs of having the ICM that needs to be flashed, speedo off by 5mph or more at higher speed. The number of the ICM is without the A on the end. Called dealership and they say by VIN my bike doesn't show need for anything, but when I told them of the date, they said they simply may not have the software to upgrade it anymore, but also implying that since their computer doesn't show the need for it, they couldn't do anything. But the guy did say to bring the service bulletin in and they'd look into it. My question is this: I'm having all sorts of speedo issues doing wacky things: works, doesn't, works, doesn't, jumps by 15-30mph, odometer reads slow sometimes. This could be a separate issue from the ICM needing its thing.

Do I do try to get the ICM reflash done first and then see about the speedo issue, or the other way around?

[whatitstrue]

pdedse - I would get the ICM reflashed cause it should be done( it dosent work like it should if it dosent have the reflash). Will it cure your problems... maybe maybe not but I would get it done anyways.

As far as the dealer mine said the same thing and swore i didnt need a reflash cause it didn't show up with my vin. :frownthre I called another dealer closer to the house and gave him the service bullitin # and he looked it up right away and just had to call the factory for a good will authorization, called me back 5 mins. later and schedualed it for the next day. If there gonna give you the run around like that, I would just call someone else you dont need that kinda of hassel from those idiots. Also besides the speedo I feel like my bike runs better sence the reflash.

P.S. They should defentely have the software and if not, another good reason to blow them off. you should also be able to give them the bullitin # over the phone, thats what they have computers for. They were probably just too lazy to look it up. :doh

[pdedse]

pdedse - ...
As far as the dealer mine said the same thing and swore i didnt need a reflash cause it didn't show up with my vin. ... They were probably just too lazy to look it up. :doh

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, he seemed to think I knew not of which I speak, but once I told him I had the service bulletin in my hand, then he said bring it in and they would look. I'll give them a shot tomorrow and see what can be done.

[jager1313]

I just had my 04 Custom reflashed at the dealership.

I printed out the bulletin from the web. The service guy had never heard of this before, but said it looked legit. Everything was done in about 20 minutes.

Service guy actually said the original bulletin has been superseded by a new flash. The "A" part number is now superseded by a "B" part number.

I took my seat off, and they didn't change the part number label at all.

It may be all in my head, but I feel like my bike is zippier and the speedometer is more accurate. I always knew my speedo was ~5-10mph off. Now it seems a lot more accurate. Could all be in my head though.

If anyone hasn't done this yet, I would recommend it. Pretty painless.

[04xl1200c]

Yup I did it then I upgraded to the tc88a! U think that was a upgrade wait till u get a tc88a that thing is amazing!

And yes my bike had all the typical symptoms and the p.o. Over jetted it to get rid if the carb farts! :(