Hola folks.

Today I made the synthetic switch. I was real keen on the Amsoil, but I noticed something in doing research on what I wanted. Amsoil appears to operate like a Ponzi scheme.

If you google say "amsoil vs. mobile 1" you will get a bunch of responses from websites like "syntecknowhow" or "synthetictruth" or some BS like that. All seem to be Amsoil fronts. Amsoil has data on thier webpage comparing thier stuff to others, but these "front" sites use the same info but add additional claims or bill themselves as "experts" in the field.

All this has raised my eyebrows a bit. I hear that amsoil is great but I fear the system that it is sold under.

I talked to my Indy and he said "I wont sell that shit in my shop". He said he doesnt like the way its sold. He said everyone who swears by it sells it.

He refused to put it in my bike. He said I was welcome to put it in , but he wasnt going to put his name on it.

I asked what he would use and he said " I would use Harley, because you know how they are with your warranty". I agreed with him on that note and went Hd.

He said Mobile 1 was good but the warranty issues are real bad with HD now and he knew I have never had luck with them.

He did have royal purple on the shelf cause some customer request it, but he wouldnt use cause he didnt know enough about it.

So is Amsoil an Amway scheme?

Adios

I don't know what their scheme is, but when I went to the mototrcycle show at the Javits Center in NY this year, I went over to the Amsoil booth and asked to buy some. Well, he goes on that he might sell some Sunday, but he wasn't sure. WTF!!!!! Why the heck are you going to advertise your product and not sell it?? I just told him where to shove it, and than he wouldn't worry about anyone else wanting to purchase any. I ended up buying some online, and am trying it for the first time this season. I have used Mobil 1 V-Twin, but didn't like it. The Royal Purple I have also used, and it wasn't bad. I was in stop and go traffic in Charleston, SC last year, and my bike was the only one not pinging, so it was running a little cooler. We'll see what the Amsoil does this year. To me that is the true test.

Best Regards,
Norm

I have no problem using Amsoil. I have seen large 3rd party studies that were not amsoil propoganda rate is pretty high up there with Mobil 1. I don't like the way they sell their product also; it seems like a cult. However, I do like the oil itself and rate it the same grade as Mobil 1.

I have no problem using Amsoil. I have seen large 3rd party studies that were not amsoil propoganda rate is pretty high up there with Mobil 1. I don't like the way they sell their product also; it seems like a cult. However, I do like the oil itself and rate it the same grade as Mobil 1.

I'm a dealer and have been since mid 80s and can tell you sales is a pyramid scheme that I don't take part in. But they make a fantastic products backed up by 3rd party claims. Try it and have an oil sample done by an indy lab and you will understand more of why the people that swear by, it swear by it.

I too was involved with amsoil, mostly to get the discount, dont like the pyramid scheme, but the oil itself really is good stuff, hands down better than mobil IMHO, you gotta put your money somewhere right?

I would never run "Harley Davidson" oils in my bike. It is bid out to lowest bidder to manufacture it for Harley to put their name on the bottles. The bid out oil cost Harley-Davidson roughly .10 cents per quart of oil. I run only Amsoil and have never had a problem. The dealer that says he wouldn't put it in your bike because of warranty is bull. You must remember the dealership does not sell Amsoil, they sell "Harley-Davidson" products. It is in buisness to make money....

The dealer that says he wouldn't put it in your bike because of warranty is bull. You must remember the dealership does not sell Amsoil, they sell "Harley-Davidson" products. It is in buisness to make money....

it wasn't a dealer, it was his indy..... so he doesn't make any money off of the hd oil.

Amzoil and Mobil have been in the synthetic business longer
than anyone. I read my first synthetic article in Popular Science
in April 1976. I've been a synthetic user ever since. Yes that's 30 years...

Amzoil, Mobil, Red Line, Royal Purple and HD are all great oils.
Buy the one that is easy to get at the best price.

HD would have a hard time denying a warrantee claim because of
Mobil or any other oil. Mobil/Exxon and Chevron are the makers
of HD oil, but made to HD specifications, which is a good spec for
synthetic.

Me I use 15w-50 Mobil1 auto at $5 it's the best deal on 2 wheels....
YMMV

That's bull about not covering the warranty. They can't disregaurd the warranty because you don't use H-D oil. The only way they could get away with that is if they offered there oil and oil changes free to there customers. As far as which synthetic to buy it realy doesn't matter. Oil now days are far more superior than oil in the 60's 70's. Your more than likely not going to have an engine fail because of the oil. Oil starvation failure yes but not caused by the oil. Engine running too hot and breaking the oil down possible but still a problem in the engine not the oil. Your indy needs to do a little more research on oils before he makes any claims on which oil is good or bad. Because most synthetic oils will be more oil than you need. Synthetics over dino, are a definite improvement. So pick a synthetic in the weight you need and one rated for an air cooled V-twin and you will not go wrong. Personaly I run Amsoil.

Amsoil already went to court with h-d about the oil/warranty deal, H-D LOST!

Haven't posted in awhile, and don't like to get into the oil controversy anymore, but, fwiw, a few years ago, when Mobil one started declaring itself to be "First in Synthetics", Amsoil took them to court, or the Federal Trade Commission, I don't recall which, and won.

Amsoil's claims:

1) As far as time, Amsoil was making synthetics before Mobil, precluding a chronlogically based claim by Mobil as "First".

2) Amsoil can be shown in objective, independent tests to be superior in various lubrication criteria, precluding a claim by Mobil as "First" based on quality.

As I say, the courts (or the commission) ruled in Amsoil's favor on both claims.

If you want Amsoil, it can be found at many independent shops, and almost always at Metric stores (Go on in and buy it, you don't have to buy a Japanese motorcycle, and you won't start speaking Japanese. Besides, you'll be patronizing an American owned business, with American employees, selling an American product. Ever see any metric shops owned by Orientals?)

Lots of great data guys.

Confirmed my idea of "great product but sh1t sales".

Amsoil already went to court with h-d about the oil/warranty deal, H-D LOST!
Great to know and I will look into it.

Sooooo

I am going to run this batch of 'ol HD and eyeball the Mobil1 15/50 and the Amsoil on the next go 'round.

I usually change my own oil, but I just dont have too much time on my hands as of late.

I found a dealer here in town. Ill see what I can do with him.

I havent put any miles on the HD Syn oil yet, but I will tonight. My biggest complaint so far is price! Sh1t is way too expensive.

Im glad to know if Im in a pinch I can run mobil1 for under $6!

Thanks for all the info

Adios

Boy, there's some misinformation in this thread. Let's hit few of these.
1. It is sold by dealers who are independent of AMSOIL, and it is called Multi Level Marketing, and is fully legal. A Pyramid scheme is where someone is left with nothing like check kiting between two accounts and is illegal.

2. You have no warranty problems if you use it normally. Manufacturers’ warranties are based upon the use of oils meeting specific API Service Classifications, for example, SJ/CF. AMSOIL lubricants meet the current API Service requirements and, thus, are perfectly suited for use in any new vehicle without affecting the validity of the new vehicle warranty.

3. There is also something called the Magnuson Warranty Act
(EDIT: Actually it's called the the Magnuson-Moss Act)
to protect you against a manufacturer from holding you hostage with their warranty and making you use their low-ball bid created lubricants.

4. AMSOIL's warranty: http://www.amsoil.com/warrantyletters/warranty_limited_4_8_03.pdf

5. I use AMSOIL in my Sporty and have had no problems so far.

I have been using Amsoil in all my vehicles, car, motorcycle's for many years.
No, I am NOT a sales person for Amsoil. I put a lot of miles on my vehicles and I have never had an oil related problem with Amsoil. I buy mine locally and never have been asked to become a dealer. Maybe I should, I guess I could save a couple of bucks, but I don't want to deal with it.

. It is sold by dealers who are independent of AMSOIL, and it is called Multi Level Marketing, and is fully legal. A Pyramid scheme is where someone is left with nothing like check kiting between two accounts and is illegal.
Anytime my "sponsering" dealer get a % of what I sell it a pyramid scheme. [WTF did he do but come to my house some 20 odd yrs ago and get me to sign a paper] The more people I sign up and the more they sell the bigger my % of there sales. Thats BS.

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Anytime my "sponsering" dealer get a % of what I sell it a pyramid scheme. [WTF did he do but come to my house some 20 odd yrs ago and get me to sign a paper] The more people I sign up and the more they sell the bigger my % of there sales. Thats BS.

I knew people in college who were running pyramid schemes and they involved contributions for no product under the guise of getting up the pyramid to cash out. Obviously not everyone is going to do that. Someone loses their cash which is why it's illegal.

Check out wikipedia to see what the definition of a pyramid scheme is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme
The "8-ball" model is exactly what the guys in college were into - I didn't participate because I'm not a fool.

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Anytime my "sponsering" dealer get a % of what I sell it a pyramid scheme. [WTF did he do but come to my house some 20 odd yrs ago and get me to sign a paper] The more people I sign up and the more they sell the bigger my % of there sales. Thats BS.

Do not confuse an illegal "pyramid scheme" with the multi-level business structure. Most businesses do run under a multi-level business structure. Take the USAF.
1. Commander
2. Under him are a couple of divisions, with a couple sections, with a couple of offices, each with groups of people.
3. The guy on top is paid the most and generally the guy on the bottom is paid the least.
4. This is a very definate pyramid "structure" which is normal for business.

Look at some other products that are available everyday.
Mobil 1 oil.
1. Manufacturer
2. Wholesaler - Mark it up some
3. Store - Mark it up some
4. Buyer - Customer

Amsoil.
1. Manufacturer
2. Customer

Yes I am a dealer but have yet to ask one of my customers to become a dealer. I offer the Preferred Customer program but many times it does not pay for them as I am already giving a deal.

I just read "A Study of Motorcycle Oils".

Very informative.

I dont think Amsoil would be willing to falsify such a test.

I will def pick up some on my next change.

Im not a fan of all the BS websites that they have but I have heard too many people swear by it to not give it a chance.

Also the test results say it all.

Amsoil the next time Mobil1 in pinch.

Adios

I don't have any problem with amsoil, oil it probley a good oil. the problem I have it all thier avertising. if you want to do a search about oil, thier advertising comes up. The other problem I have is I work for a Ford dealership, the autoparts stores in my area sells amsoil. when I called for a price on amsoil, one of the stores told me that amsoil dictates the price. the other wanted to sell it to me for a little cheeper. I questioned the first store about the price. the first store told the amsoil dist. and the were going to pull the oil out of the 2nd guys store.
So now I give all my bisseness to the 2nd store. the 1st store has lost about $3,000 a month
by the way I use mobil1 now in my engine and mobil1 gear oil in my trans.

Amsoil had the first true synthetic oil in the70's. Tim

I changed over this week to Amsoil. I will keep everyone posted on the pros and cons.
Heres a question for everyone, how often should I change my engine oil?
Sam

I changed over this week to Amsoil. I will keep everyone posted on the pros and cons.
Heres a question for everyone, how often should I change my engine oil?
Sam

I've used Mobil 1 20W-50 V-Twin in my Harley's for years, and just recently started using Amsoil 20W-50 MCF.

I've gotten into a habit of changing oil and filter at a maximum of 2,500 miles. That might be considered "overkill", but the cost isn't all that great, and I like having clean fluids in my bikes, and also in a number of high performance cars that I collect.

AMSOIL says twice your HD recommended intervals.

Thanks for the oil change intervals. So far I've noticed that I don't have to warm up the bike as long as I used to. Also, I don't think the engine is getting as hot. Now I have never used a thermometer on it but it's just a seat of the pants type of feeling (literally).
Sam