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xl1200r
5th April 2006, 19:42
Okay, actually, it's not that big of a deal. The main thing here is that I'm just getting new wheels and tires for it, but I'm VERY excited about the whole ordeal:clap . The tires should be arriving today, and the wheels sometime early next week. The rest will be history.:tour

The main reason for this is I want a project really bad, so I'll just fake it for now until I can tear the whole down to nothng and start from scratch.

This is going to be an epic tale!:banapart

Here are the details - Current wheels are all stock - 19x2.15" in the front running the stock Dunlop 100/90-19, and a 16x3" in the rear running the stock 150/80-16. We'll be moving on to something a bit more radical, and something I haven't yet seen on a Sportster, at least not in person.

The wheels will be swapped out for SunRims - these are aluminum rims made in California and will be running stainless steel spokes with OE aluminum hubs.

The best part will be the sizes. The front wheel will stay a 19" diameter, but move up to a 2.75" wide rim. The tire will be a 120/70-19, the same size used on the front of a V-ROD. I'll have to get fancy with the front fender to get it to fit, but the tire will clear the forks with room to spare.

The rear moves up and out to an 18x4.5" rim, and will be running a 160/60-18. The width actually only changes by 3mm going from a Dunlop 150 to a Metzeler 160, so from the back things should look pretty normal until you come around the side.

I'm still curious myself how this low-profile look is going to be on a Sportster:rolleyes: ...I've never seen it except for on a custom bike, and that was on the rear only.

Bear with me...this whole thing *should* be wrapped up by the end of the month. I'll be sure to take lots of pictures!

doc
5th April 2006, 19:51
Sounds like you got a plan. Hurry up and get that stuff on so we can see pics!!!

Gone
5th April 2006, 19:54
Give him time... give him time! ;)

xl1200r
5th April 2006, 20:11
Give him time... give him time! ;)

Oh yes, can't forget...The wheels are comming from Trak-Tek...truely a pleasure to deal with. Wasn't my first purchase from them, and I'm sure it won't be my last.

xl1200r
6th April 2006, 00:43
Okay, so I know it's only been a few hours, but I have some updates.

First off, I heard from Chris at Trak-Tek and my wheels probably won't be ready until sometime late next week as we're waiting for the special-order hubs to come in. No biggie, I'm not in a huge rush and I'm willing to wait to get the parts I want.

More importantly, when I got home today, my tires were there waiting for me on my front porch. So, without further delay, here are all those fancy pictures I promised!

Here's what I found my porch! Well, not quite. I did cut the packaging away before I took any photos...

http://images.snapfish.com/34674%3A%3B95%7Ffp342%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233635%3B%3C8973nu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/34674%3A%3B95%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233635%3B%3C8974nu0mrj

Notice how much less sidewall there is over the stock sizes, especially on the rear tire.

http://images.snapfish.com/34674%3A%3B95%7Ffp344%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233635%3B%3C8976nu0mrj

Now we can compare the new to the old...Note the extra width on the front. It looks to me like this will even be wider once it's aired up on the rim. The rear is essentially the same width. Same as the front - this is most likely widen some once it's mounted up.

http://images.snapfish.com/34674%3A%3B95%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D32336362337%3B%3Cnu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/34674%3A%3B95%7Ffp345%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233636233823nu0mrj

Getting the idea? Looks pretty bad ass!

http://images.snapfish.com/34674%3A%3B95%7Ffp345%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233635%3B%3C8977nu0mrj

Turbota
6th April 2006, 00:55
Can't wait to see the tires and wheels mounted on the bike!

xllent01
6th April 2006, 00:56
That 18" rear wheel is going to look hot:banana I have seen several 18" tires on sportys and they freakin rock. Glad to see you are going ahead with a good plan and i can't wait to see the whole package when it's all done. You da man and you beat me too my plan.

bshadbolt
6th April 2006, 01:10
I'll be doing pretty much the same in a few weeks. Just waiting for my new N4 cams to arrive and once they are fitted and the credit card bills hopefully forgotten, I'll be ordering from Chris.

I'll be sticking to the same front size (I'm worried that a wider front will adversely affect handling) and going to the same as you on the rear.

Cheers,

Brett

xl1200r
6th April 2006, 01:35
I'll be doing pretty much the same in a few weeks. Just waiting for my new N4 cams to arrive and once they are fitted and the credit card bills hopefully forgotten, I'll be ordering from Chris.

I'll be sticking to the same front size (I'm worried that a wider front will adversely affect handling) and going to the same as you on the rear.

Cheers,

Brett

How is it you thought a different size would affect handling? The reason I didn't keep the same fron was because I was worried that front tire would have too tall of a sidewall when compared to the rear.

bshadbolt
6th April 2006, 12:05
Generally the wider the tire the less nimble in the corners - wide tires are great for straight line riding but not so good for cornering.

Usually, for handling it is better to stick to stock profiles or even go a profile narrower.

But wider certainly looks better.

Cheers,

Brett

DLM32
6th April 2006, 12:50
The 120/19" tire will probably be too wide for the stocker forks. I put a 110x19" Avon mounted on a stock 1200R cast 2.15' wheel on the front of my 04-1200C. There's not much room for a fender. Switching to the wider 2.75 rim will spread the tire out more.

You'll probably have to go to a mid glide triple clamp kit to make it work. I think I still have photos of the 110x19" tire on my gallery. Don't mean to rain on your parade, but been there done that.

Later,

Randum77
6th April 2006, 12:55
Man,that's going to be some hot stuff when your done. I can't wait.

cjburr
6th April 2006, 14:13
Nicely done on the preview pics, you can really tell what it's going to look like. Like DML32 said though you will probably end up with a midglide front end to make it fit.

xl1200r
6th April 2006, 14:37
The 120/19" tire will probably be too wide for the stocker forks. I put a 110x19" Avon mounted on a stock 1200R cast 2.15' wheel on the front of my 04-1200C. There's not much room for a fender. Switching to the wider 2.75 rim will spread the tire out more.

You'll probably have to go to a mid glide triple clamp kit to make it work. I think I still have photos of the 110x19" tire on my gallery. Don't mean to rain on your parade, but been there done that.

Later,

Negatory on the front tire not fitting. Inside to inside, the front forks are a little over 5" wide, which is a minimum of 127mm. The 120 tire I have when mounted to a 3" rim measures 115mm wide. It might even be slightly narrower because I'm using a 2.75" rim, though not by much. Trust me - I have spent COUNTLESS hours measuring/comparing, and it took me something like 5 months just decide on tire sizes for this thing.:doh They will both fit fine.

However, the stock front fender will not fit, but only by about 1-2mm per side. I plan on using the stock one for now (because I don't want to have to paint a new one) and just modifying/replacing the struts. I'm going to widen the hole on the sides to clear the fork lowers and bent them out, then back in to clear the tire, and still mount to the stock location. I'll just paint them black after that since I'm sure the paint will be no good on the struts after all that bending.

As for the handling, I agree a wider tire makes things less nimble (imagine what the Storz XR1200 is like with a 130 on the front!:doh ), but at the same time it lays down more contact patch. Most sport bikes run 120's on the front, though on 17" wheels. Also, the 120-70 is a little smaller diameter-wise than the 100-90, which means a little more contact still when the bike is leaned over.

I'm so frickin' excited about this. That last picture with the tires up against the bike - I must have stared at that for 30 minutes straight last night.:shhhh Can't wait for the wheels!:D

cjburr
6th April 2006, 15:13
Sounds well thought out, can't wait to see your results!! Don't personally know about this but have read that your rims need to be the proper width for the tires to perform their best, sounds like you have probably taken this into consideration as well.

bshadbolt
6th April 2006, 17:23
Sounds good, can't wait to see the finished product. I haven't ordered my wheels from Chris yet so could still got the same way you are if it lives up tp expectations. But I have alrady invested in the HD sport front fender and wouldn't want to lose it or have to screw with it, so maybe not.

Either way, photos and a review are definitely eagerly awaited.

Cheers,

Brett

xl1200r
6th April 2006, 19:26
Sounds good, can't wait to see the finished product. I haven't ordered my wheels from Chris yet so could still got the same way you are if it lives up tp expectations. But I have alrady invested in the HD sport front fender and wouldn't want to lose it or have to screw with it, so maybe not.

Either way, photos and a review are definitely eagerly awaited.

Cheers,

Brett

The sport fender you have is probably much harder to try and make work than the stock one with the way the struts are and how it wraps around the tire more. I had considered buying one when I did the fairing and spoiler, but decided against it because I knew I wanted to do something with the wheels, I just wasn't sure exactly what. If you keep the front stock tire size I think the rear will look too thin with an 18" wheel. I think in this case the better option would be to go with a 17" on the back so the sidewalls match closer, and at the same time you can bump up to a wider 170 tire. I think that would look better with the stock front, though I can take some pictures comparing my stock front to the new rear and actually see in person how they look together.

I'll try to do as much picture taking during the process as I can, though I tend to just dive in and do everything all at once, so I will have to be thinking about it.

Maybe I'll have friend help me and take control of the camera so I don't have to worry about it...

cjburr
6th April 2006, 19:55
Definitely have your friend come help with the camera!! I know when I did my nacelle install I wish I had someone to do the pics as I went along. It's hard to stop what you are doing to take pics when you get into the flow of working.

This would make a wonderful thread for those of us interested in doing likewise. Thanks for the post.:D :D

4banger
6th April 2006, 21:48
Very, very, nice. It looks like you know what you want and are not afraid to go where few men dare tread. Will be looking forward to more on how she handles.

xl1200r
11th April 2006, 21:33
Well, it seems that there was a hickup with getting the correct hub for the wheels, so it's looking like sometime next week now that I should be getting them.

Just for a tease, Chris decided to e-mail me a photo of my rims so I could get all excited about them and get absolutely NOTHING done for the rest of the day at work now.:doh

So, in grand fashion, I'll pass the tease onto you guys.

Talk about WIDE!:eek:

http://images.snapfish.com/34679%3B955%7Ffp33%3A%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D323364647%3B8%3B5nu0mrj

I can't WAIT for these to be all done!:banana

xl1200r
11th April 2006, 23:49
...and one more for good measure...haha, get it?

http://images.snapfish.com/34679%3C785%7Ffp342%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D32336464%3C%3A6%3B8nu0mrj

GOTWA
11th April 2006, 23:55
Hey look, that rim is 8".

What? I thought that's how all men measured. :D:D:D

Turbota
12th April 2006, 02:11
I am eagerly waiting to see how this turns out.

Very interesting to say the least ....

Bill2
12th April 2006, 20:38
Looks like your wheel project is gonna come out nice. I also thought about changing my wheels up down the road. I think 17" front and rear would be a good choice for me because thats the size all the hyperbike tires come in. I saw a dude that scored a pair of 3 spoke 17"mags off a jap bike he fitted on his sportster that looked super nice. With the price of bike mags that might be the route i have to take. Anyway looking forward to seeing your bike with your new wheels.

xl1200r
12th April 2006, 20:48
Looks like your wheel project is gonna come out nice. I also thought about changing my wheels up down the road. I think 17" front and rear would be a good choice for me because thats the size all the hyperbike tires come in. I saw a dude that scored a pair of 3 spoke 17"mags off a jap bike he fitted on his sportster that looked super nice. With the price of bike mags that might be the route i have to take. Anyway looking forward to seeing your bike with your new wheels.

As far as tire sizes and performance, you are absolutely right - the 17"ers are the best. My only gripe with them is I would loose an awful lot of ground clearance up front, and I already touch the pipe down every once in a while.

Also, I was trying to capture a little bit of the retro look with the 18" in the rear (like the old XLs, Bonnies, Nortons, BSAs etc.). The 19" up front is just because I like the looks of that size more than anything. I would have done an 18" up front, but I was afraid of the same ground clearance problem. The 19" I'm putting on is actually a little lower than the stock size anyways.

If I could have 26" front and back like an old board track racer I would:D

xl1200r
22nd April 2006, 21:03
Allright, a lot has happened in the past 24 hours, so I'll run through as best I can.

The new wheels showed up yesterday, so I immidiatly got to unpacking them:

http://images.snapfish.com/346896787%7Ffp339%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B%3E WSNRCG%3D3233675262%3A6%3Bnu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/346896787%7Ffp345%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B%3E WSNRCG%3D323367526657%3Bnu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/346896787%7Ffp339%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B%3E WSNRCG%3D3233675262%3A78nu0mrj

You might be able to see the "grain" that's in the finish - they have a very faint brushed look to them:

http://images.snapfish.com/346896787%7Ffp345%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B%3E WSNRCG%3D3233675266598nu0mrj

Now here's where I feel bad. I know I said I was going to do a really good job of getting pictures of everything, but in the heat of the moment I forgot to bring the camera to the shop when I mounted up the tires, so all I have for you is the final results:

http://images.snapfish.com/346896787%7Ffp345%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B%3E WSNRCG%3D32336752665%3A6nu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/346896787%7Ffp33%3B%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D3233675262%3A7%3Cnu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/346896787%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B%3E WSNRCG%3D3233675262%3A7%3Bnu0mrj

All in all, they didn't go on too hard. I had to trim down the one rim strip as it was a little to wide for the front wheel. Lots of talc on the tubes.

I wasn't able to use the tire machine I was planning on, so I had to use one that doens't look quite as "friendly", but I managed, and was able to keep anything from actually touching the rim.

Once the old stuff comes off, I'll get the pulley and brakes mounted up and have them balenced.

Thing are looking good!

And I can't thank Chris enough. Despite our hiccup with the front hub, they showed up fast, look great, and he even offered some last minute technical assistance last night.

Gone
22nd April 2006, 22:03
I'm telling you, XL1200R's photos do not capture the drama of these wheels, particularly the rear one. It's positively huge! I can't wait to see photos of the assembled bike.

xl1200r
24th April 2006, 16:14
I'm telling you, XL1200R's photos do not capture the drama of these wheels, particularly the rear one. It's positively huge! I can't wait to see photos of the assembled bike.

It's really amazing what that wide wheel can do with your eyes. The rear tire isn't really any wider than a stock one (only by 3mm, so nothing to go bragging about), but the wheel itself is an inch and a half wider, so it really exaggerates the look. And the clean line accross the rim helps even more.

I'll probably get these on sometime next week at best. As long as they're on for Americade I'll be happy.

Here's a few more pics:

http://images.snapfish.com/3468%3A%3C35%3B%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B %3B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233675266584nu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/3468%3A%3C35%3B%7Ffp339%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B %3B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233675262%3A76nu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/3468%3A%3C35%3B%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B %3B%3EWSNRCG%3D3233675266594nu0mrj

http://images.snapfish.com/3468%3A%3C35%3B%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B %3B%3EWSNRCG%3D32336752665%3A%3Anu0mrj

The flash was playing with the look a little and the tires look taller than they actually are.

klown
24th April 2006, 16:27
I can tell already that yo bike is gonna look fu ckin sweet when you get done! :smoke

edman
24th April 2006, 22:29
Those look great. Iím drooling all over myself. Canít wait to see them on the bike.

xl1200r
25th April 2006, 00:21
I can't wait to see them on there either. The rain has put a damper on the whole thing, but i think the biggest pain is that the bike is sitting under a cover now, so i can't even compare these new ones to the old!

Matt
25th April 2006, 03:04
Hi all,
I haven't gotten up to speed with this very good forum but that's because in my mind a modern firearm is a flintlock musket. (Old and slow.)
I just ordered an 18" rear wheel for my 68 XLCH to go back closer to stock.
My 10 year basket case will run. I have a desire for an 883R or 1200R but cannot buy before my CH (retired 1979!) is running and sold. Matt

turfpro
25th April 2006, 06:48
Ive thought about what size rims I want for a while, and now Im know Im going to use that size back rim and tire, I cant wait to see how the front works out. I looked at metzeler's website and with 2.75 rim you could also run a 100/90-19 are 110/90-19. So I will probally use the the same rims as you. Except in black. :)

xl1200r
25th April 2006, 14:46
Ive thought about what size rims I want for a while, and now Im know Im going to use that size back rim and tire, I cant wait to see how the front works out. I looked at metzeler's website and with 2.75 rim you could also run a 100/90-19 are 110/90-19. So I will probally use the the same rims as you. Except in black. :)

I think that 100/90 is going to be pushing it on a 2.75" rim. The 110-90 I think would be fine. Take note that they also post a recommended rim size for each tire - that's the one you want to get if you can, otherwise you're really putting more stress on the tire than you need to, and it might handle and/or wear funny.

Like I said earlier, I went with the shorter 120/70 because I didn't want a taller profile in the fron than the rear, and it would have been close with a 100 or a 110/90.

xl1200r
25th April 2006, 14:48
Hi all,
I haven't gotten up to speed with this very good forum but that's because in my mind a modern firearm is a flintlock musket. (Old and slow.)
I just ordered an 18" rear wheel for my 68 XLCH to go back closer to stock.
My 10 year basket case will run. I have a desire for an 883R or 1200R but cannot buy before my CH (retired 1979!) is running and sold. Matt

Matt...keep us posted on that CH - you got a good model and a good year, and it sounds like you're doing the right thing with it. You said you're going to sell it? Any idea when it might be ready??

xl1200r
2nd May 2006, 23:41
So I got the wheels on. Was pretty straight forward. The rear was kind of a pain in the ass but only because it was kind of akward to do with just one person.

So here it goes...

With the front calipers off:
http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp33%3B%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B595%3A3nu0mrj

...and the front wheel removed:
http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B765%3A8nu0mrj

Here's the rear wheel off. This was a huge pain trying to convince the axle to vacate the swingarm. Had to losen the exhaust up to give it room:
http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp33%3B%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B765%3A9nu0mrj

And the new front wheel installed:
http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp344%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B595%3A6nu0mrj

...can you tell I need to lower the fender?
http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp345%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B595%3A7nu0mrj

And the new rear:
http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp33%3A%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B765%3A%3Cnu0mrj

And the whole bike. Sorry for the pics, but the weather turned crap so she had to stay inside:
http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp343%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B7%3B4%3B6nu0mrj

http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp346%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B595%3A%3Bnu0mrj

http://images1.snapfish.com/346983%3A43%7Ffp342%3Enu%3D3275%3E5%3B7%3E4%3B%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D323369%3B%3B595%3A%3Anu0mrj

All in all, not too bad of a job. The ride seemed a little funny with the new tires, but i got used to it. Seems to turn in a bit easier now.

bshadbolt
3rd May 2006, 02:36
Looks great. The lighter wheels should make a bit of difference when turning. The tires should also help a bit. Overall you should see quite an improvement in turning/handling.

Cheers,

Brett

deanbruhn
3rd May 2006, 02:40
ok so what was the price on all this noise? since you seem to have all of us hooked

xl1200r
3rd May 2006, 02:46
something like $1450 shipped with the tires, i mounted them myself, and had the shop balance them.

sportyrider
6th August 2007, 02:50
I wonder if that would work on a '87 Evo. Especially the rear.
Got any outdoor photos since you finished?
Sportyrider

Joe Dirt
7th August 2007, 02:51
I wonder if that would work on a '87 Evo. Especially the rear.


I've got a 150/70/18 on a 4.25" rim on my '03, and there isn't much room left in the front of the swingarm where it narrows. If the 160/60/18 is shorter, and doesn't go as far forward in the swingarm, it could possibly fit. So, you might or might not have to clearance the front of the swingarm. It'd be close. You might also have to get an offset sprocket setup. I have a flipped front and spaced rear, but a 160 wouldn't clear my chain. You'd probably also have to spread the fender struts a bit.

jesse85
20th December 2007, 00:57
We need pics if its finished!!!!

tjtony15
6th May 2011, 15:03
finished pictures please!!

mike1979
14th May 2011, 02:37
Cool Bike!!!!

What seat and Fairing are you using?