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cantolina 29th May 2006, 02:32 My bike kicks ASS right now.....except for a pesky lifter tick, I'm VERY happy with the way she's running....
I was just wondering.....with all the problems that are posted, I'm curious how many of us have our bikes tuned JUST the way we want them....
Let's see...
chrishajer 29th May 2006, 02:36 Good idea on the thread.
My bike == perfect (well, for me anyway.)
I loaned my bike to someone for the day on Saturday (his new Ducati is in the shop :) ) and he came back and told me that I should never have loaned it to him, it just rides so smooth over the bumps, power is always right there, sounds great, great brakes. Now he wants my bike instead of his...
So, add me to the list of people who are extremely happy with the way mine runs.
--Chris
sportysrock 29th May 2006, 02:37 45, 175, 2-1/4 turns out, 1 needle shim, slide not drilled.
Ram-Flo and Gronk Mod done.
It runs well, fast enough for me I guess!
sportysrock 29th May 2006, 02:40 Good idea on the thread.
My bike == perfect (well, for me anyway.)
I loaned my bike to someone for the day on Saturday (his new Ducati is in the shop :) ) and he came back and told me that I should never have loaned it to him, it just rides so smooth over the bumps, power is always right there, sounds great, great brakes. Now he wants my bike instead of his...
So, add me to the list of people who are extremely happy with the way mine runs.
--Chris
Yet another unhappy Ducati owner. HAHA-HAHAHAHAHAHA!
chrishajer 29th May 2006, 02:42 Yep - been in the shop two weeks for a no start problem. Guy keeps telling him "I'll work on it next week" but next week never comes. So, it's not just us with our Harleys.
--Chris
Vince 29th May 2006, 02:44 Mines one pop short of being dead on. I consider that to be about the best its going to get. The only pop I had today out of 115 miles was on a down shift into second after backing her down from 60 in fourth on a long, sweet sounding deceleration. I contibute that to a slight load up of fuel from backing her down. Other than that she ran flawless all day. Although I have alot of mechanical knowledge, I wouldn't of ever been able to tune the bike this well without the XLForum. I truly appreciate all the info everyone has added to this site.
cantolina 29th May 2006, 02:45 Yep - been in the shop two weeks for a no start problem. Guy keeps telling him "I'll work on it next week" but next week never comes. So, it's not just us with our Harleys.
--Chris
That wouldn't fly in MY shop.....
I can't understand these kinds of things...
Its not fkn voodoo......
Waiting for a part is ONE thing....but "I'll get to it next week", is pure BS....
Sorry you don't live near me...we get bikes out the fkn door.....
I'm proud of the fact that every single bike in the shop made it out for the holiday weekend, plus some drop-ins yesterday......and my tradesman (the guy I'm apprenticing with) is out with surgery!
:clap
chrishajer 29th May 2006, 02:51 :iagree
Yep - I agree. Not my bike though :)
I don't think I'd be taking any of this shop's BS either. However, there are only two Ducati shops nearby here, and he doesn't like the other one. Competition is a good thing for bike shops (7 or so Harley dealers in the area.) Not enough Ducati's to go around though.
--Chris
cantolina 29th May 2006, 02:54 :iagree
Yep - I agree. Not my bike though :)
I don't think I'd be taking any of this shop's BS either. However, there are only two Ducati shops nearby here, and he doesn't like the other one. Competition is a good thing for bike shops (7 or so Harley dealers in the area.) Not enough Ducati's to go around though.
--Chris
Bummer for him... :(
Any bike can be put thru a reasonable trouble shoot procedure in an hour or two....period.
If there are multiple problems, well, that's another thing.........
I just don't get the way some shops operate, and I'm glad mine isn't one of them....
ebikerman 29th May 2006, 02:59 I too am completely satisfied with the way my '06 XL 1200 Custom runs. Powerful acceleration and smooth running engine. Everything pertaining to engine running is factory stock including exhaust, carb and filter. I could not ask for a better running bike. I am no beginner either...this Harley is my 45 bike since 1950...Dan
chrishajer 29th May 2006, 03:01 :iagree :iagree :iagree
The shop I worked at didn't either.
My theory is that this shop doesn't have the diagnostic tool to check it out. It's a "cranks but won't start" problem, and it's pretty new, EFI, etc. So, after checking the common things (which we did) it has to go on the computer. I would bet this guy doesn't have one or he has no clue where to start on the bike. In short, he's in over his head, and he has no intention of looking at it. My $.02.
It's sad. Service these days in general is sad, and not just motorcycles.
But let's not trash the thread :)
--Chris
FSZEKE302 29th May 2006, 03:02 My old gal runs and handles just about perfect for me. A lot of credit goes to info from here. Very happy and appreciative. :clap
DarkStar883 29th May 2006, 03:14 I'm very happy with the performance, but I am going to shim the needle to see if I can squeeze the last bit out of her... :tour
74FeHeadXLH 29th May 2006, 03:22 my '74 runs good and strong, and pretty damned dependable for a 32 yr old bike.....but I'm gonna grab some more ponies with a programmable ignition, new carb, and a top end rebuild soon.....overall I'm quite happy with how the ol Iron runs, even with the ol'lady's big a$$ on it.....raped ape....maybe after that gets done
Bill2 29th May 2006, 04:16 For a 883 mine runs great, it will hit the rev-limiter in 5th gear in a heartbeat. Plus it's super smooth and just pulls strong through out the rev-range. Can't wait to bump up the power a bit!
Jimbo999 29th May 2006, 04:21 Guys,
I've been pounding my chest for the last 2 months on how well I got my
bike running.
Haven't done anything special but very fine tuning of the carb, Made my own
air filter element, switched to NGK plugs ( gap @ .042 ) 60W dino, Dead on
primary adj. abosolute tightness of throttle cables.......100% go around of all
fasteners, bolts and Hdw. Cables lubed and a lot more I'm too lazy to type
about.
She's never pulled better and loves being under my hairy a$$. :roflblack
I described a certain thing about my ride that happened just recently in the Oklahoma section.........Has to do with cruising. Too long to retype here but I'd appreciate any feedback if you care to comment.
bshadbolt 29th May 2006, 08:18 Yep, mine is spot on......for now.
Cheers,
Brett
smoking man 29th May 2006, 09:18 i have to say that my 05 1200 custom is running great, and i too have to thank all in this forum for the info and the paitence. a litlle fart every now and then,but no worries. thanks all.
:smoke
:xlrocks
pres41 29th May 2006, 10:45 :smoke Well, I did about 120 miles yesterday 2 up with the blonde on the back and the bike was just perfect. We did some twistees, some slab running, and some just nice country roads, very very happy with my sporty.
Only thing left to do is the progressive fork springs to match the progressive 412's on the rear and she will be great. :tour :tour :tour
well after all the dickin' around it finaly is right there.
My bike cranks now. No farts at all. And it responds
to the slightest touch of the throttle. Idles the balls,
and sounds the way I think it should. This forum did a
great job getting my bike to 'perfect' for me. Can't wait
to get my ass back on it today.
tcspannerwrench 29th May 2006, 11:41 thanks to jetting 101 i am sure its as close to 100% as a layman can get it. i still get a small carb fart if i blip the throttle at a red light (solution dont blip the throttle at red lights!)
I know it was said AND we all think it....
Isn't it awesome that this venue has made it possible for all the expertise out there, from all over the world, can be had for the asking and make our bikes better than we thought possible.
It's like having the BEST mechanic at your disposal.
Thanks guys
MOREHP 29th May 2006, 12:34 Mine is dead nuts on. After ignoring the nay sayers and installing a #50 slo jet the carb tuned up perfectly not a fart or back fire for weeks,I shift hard the front wheel comes right off the ground. I LOVE MY SPORTY !!!!!!!!!
Did 270 miles 2-up with the wife yesterday on a new Sundowner seat, the ride was awesome, me on my 2005 1220 Custom leading 3 Road Kings, my bike ran strong. City or highway my Sporty rocks!!!!
rottenralph 29th May 2006, 13:08 Mine has always run eally good. No carb farts since I switched to S&S 10 years ago. I am put on my home ported heads and will get the bike dyno tune for the first time in a few weeks. I want to maximize my effort. I hope with the added compression that works well with my cams that I can break the 80 H.P. mark this time. Been sitting at 70 h.p. for years.
kdarejr 29th May 2006, 13:20 my bike is a little rich at start up & wide open throttle !! but other wise it runs great ! still needs a little tuning !!
lagerdrinker 29th May 2006, 15:11 my bike runs great. i cant remember what it ran like before stage one, my mind has blocked out that period in my life. excellent mid/top range. down low could use a bit more but i think its more the way i launch it, need to feather clutch more rather than just let it out. 1250 should cure that.
Jason's Sporty 29th May 2006, 15:39 just put in a 42slow and a 170 main on my 883. now it really winds up quick! letting off it, the pipe will back pop a lil but its right there now!!!
if the weather wasnt so nice I would be making it a real 1200. Hoping to have over 100hp thanks to NHRS.
Homarr 29th May 2006, 15:54 I just put seafoam in my gas, and my bike's running like SH:censorT!
I can't wait to run this tank dry and refill! Then it will be running like a raped ape again!
el jeffe 29th May 2006, 16:08 Got 'er dialed in now. The ICM reflash helped a lot.
Swankster 29th May 2006, 18:28 I think your'e there! What cams did you go with?
Swankster
quote=rottenralph]Mine has always run eally good. No carb farts since I switched to S&S 10 years ago. I am put on my home ported heads and will get the bike dyno tune for the first time in a few weeks. I want to maximize my effort. I hope with the added compression that works well with my cams that I can break the 80 H.P. mark this time. Been sitting at 70 h.p. for years.[/quote]
jwb47 29th May 2006, 19:52 couldnt be happier im right on the money . went for a ride saturday through varying conditions and speeds and still managed to average 42 mpg riding two up over 160 miles plus smoked a road king who thought he could roll on at 60 and leave me setting lmao the wife was flapping her arms like she was flying when we passed the smart a$$
and I have to give a plug to the wrenches at campbells h-d they have gave me a ton of free advice and always done a good job when I used there service.
lou_lucas 29th May 2006, 19:56 I purchased my 1200 low on 7 apr, and i have just over 1400 miles on so far. This is the first new bike i've owned so i'm concerned how far i can go performance wise before i kill the warranty. I used to own a Buell X-1 so i'm aware of the potential of the sportster motor.
BWP 5p 29th May 2006, 20:23 I'm only making 82 horse....and need about 18 more:D
But I'll tell you what....this is one BAD AZZ ride!
Rode her 140 miles yesterday .........wife and I together= about 350#....20 mph wind.....80 mph lots of the way.......44 mpg........plenty of balls when I wanted to pass...........and when I'm solo..........:clap :banana :clap :banana
YEE HA.....this sucker rolls. I know if any of the local ricers aren't careful......I could burn them through some of the tighter twisties around here.:roflblack
1200R 29th May 2006, 20:25 it took a few dollars to get it just right but now i am very pleased with the performance of this bike. i have owned nine bikes total and none of them put a smile on my face as quickly as a twist of the throttle on this one does:tour
dooley 29th May 2006, 21:09 I`d say mines 95%.
04 1200R
Vance&Hines Straigtshots HS
SE II Ac.(revised filter,but soon to be Ness Big Sucker II)
Dynojet kit.
45 low,180 main.
2 1/2 turns of the screw.
ICM Reflash.
Runs great,albiet with an occasional carb fart.
Mabey one in a fifty mile ride.
For those who fret about loosing low end with the Straightshots........
Could have fooled me,she runs much stronger than stock all the way through the powerband.
Thinking of having it Dyno`d after I get the Big Sucker on,but whatever the results are HP wise....its fast enough.:smoke
STEVOMERCKX 29th May 2006, 21:28 whats it take for 100hp? can a 1200 kit with a cam do it or do you need to go beyond a 1200?
i like how my 883 runs right now but i was out last night with my two crotch rocket friends a gsxr600 and a gsxr1000. the 600 was riding in front and saw a harley and was going to mess with it. turns out it was a guy with a 883 punched out to a 1200 and a cam. the sporty was riding two up so it was at least 850lbs against a 570lbs crotch rocket. the 600 couldnt pull on the sporty at all. in fact the sporty was pulling hard down low and the 600 could only start comming back when they where over 100. rubbed it in my buddies face so bad. the 1000 didnt race because that thing is a solid 9 sec bike so it wasnt going to be fair at all. it was crazy
rider1951 29th May 2006, 23:00 45, 175, 2-1/4 turns out, 1 needle shim, slide not drilled.
Ram-Flo and Gronk Mod done.
It runs well, fast enough for me I guess!
Sounds just like my bike except for the needle shim and about 2 turns out. Mine runs great, only carb farts is when I try to ride too soon after cold start up.
streeteagle2 30th May 2006, 02:11 Stock I had a few carb farts, but after stage 1 it runs grrrrrreat!:laugh
kdarejr 30th May 2006, 02:27 could you tell me what you are running for jets and needle type and or shims ? i just cant seem to get mine right loads up on start up and wide open it just dont go !!! thanks i have read jetting 101 and have tried diffrent jets i must be missing something !!!
my stock 883 is too slow, i wat a 1250 kit any suggestions
I often wonder what a set of NRHS Stage II heads could do for mine. :D
cantolina 30th May 2006, 03:45 could you tell me what you are running for jets and needle type and or shims ? i just cant seem to get mine right loads up on start up and wide open it just dont go !!! thanks i have read jetting 101 and have tried diffrent jets i must be missing something !!!
Make sure you don't have too big a main jet...that will happen....
cantolina 30th May 2006, 03:45 my stock 883 is too slow, i wat a 1250 kit any suggestions
Call NRHS....they'll do you right...
wolfpack 30th May 2006, 14:15 When I Have Read Through All Your Specs I Have Not Found Anybody Running A 200 Main Jet, My 98 1200 Sport Ran Like Crap Until I Changed The 190 Jet That Was In When I Got It (used) Now It Seems Fast To Me And My Previous Bike Was A Suzuki Tl 1000 V-twin.
lagerdrinker 30th May 2006, 14:54 When I Have Read Through All Your Specs I Have Not Found Anybody Running A 200 Main Jet, My 98 1200 Sport Ran Like Crap Until I Changed The 190 Jet That Was In When I Got It (used) Now It Seems Fast To Me And My Previous Bike Was A Suzuki Tl 1000 V-twin.
i use a 170 in the winter/colder temps and a 180 in summer. mines a 883. above that it just wastes gas, not much more performance. most here are running between a 160-180 main. maybe you had a vacuum leak in intake that required a larger jet. what do i know?
JohnT 30th May 2006, 17:14 '05 XL Standard with 1200 conversion, and all SE Stage I. No carb, A/C, oil temp or other issues. No burps, farts or other annoyances. Lots of power and quick enough for me. Couldn't ask for a better bike (bigger, maybe, but not better).
Bill2 30th May 2006, 19:00 i use a 170 in the winter/colder temps and a 180 in summer. mines a 883. above that it just wastes gas, not much more performance. most here are running between a 160-180 main. maybe you had a vacuum leak in intake that required a larger jet. what do i know?
Don't you have that backwards on your summer/winter jet sizes? In the winter you get more air so you would need more fuel.
hell yes i am happy with it, runs good no matter what the weather is outside, i get the occasional pop when it starts,and a carb fart when it is real damp outside, it pulls hard all the time, hard enough to lift the front wheel, I tip the scale at 130 pounds it hadly knows i am there. it stops faster than my old shovel and pan head ever dreamed of. it has never failed to start like the shovel did cantankerous old s.o.b (like me), miss my old kickers though. Just comming up on 22k and stiil going strong. still follow my old man's rule, if it aint broke do not mess with it.Tweaking is allowed, disassembly not approved.
and if it ever acts up i know where to get tech help or at least some smart ass answers form folks who care.
Jetting 101 was a big help.
lagerdrinker 30th May 2006, 19:43 Don't you have that backwards on your summer/winter jet sizes? In the winter you get more air so you would need more fuel.
actually bill, run it a bit leaner in winter to help with keeping bike engine warm and also keep plugs cleaner. summer come the bigger jets to avoid pinging and keeps temps down a bit.
lagerdrinker 30th May 2006, 19:44 actually bill, run it a bit leaner in winter to help with keeping bike engine warm and also keep plugs cleaner. summer come the bigger jets to avoid pinging and keeps temps down a bit.
im not saying im right and your wrong but it works for me.
Lucifer 30th May 2006, 20:11 My bike runs pretty damn good! Not saying I wouldn't want more but when you gain you also lose. Keep it simple and have a good time. Stage 1 1200R 70 HP 76 ft lbs. Seems enough for most rides, kept up with FXDWG stage 1 for 200 mile Saturday riding 2 up at 75-80 mph and his oil temp was 10 degree F higher at the end of the ride. After stage 1 the cost for additional HP and torque goes up very rapidly. All fine for those with plenty of coin but maybe not for those who just enjoy ridin on a budget.
Dave
Ride to Live!
1LD1200 30th May 2006, 22:02 Engine-wise, my bike needs to be rejetted, due to drag pipes and a 1200 kit, its running way lean, I just bought a jet kit, just needs to be installed, and other than that i put different turn signals on the rear, that are actually considered marker lights, and now none of the signals blink, they just stay lit......so for this very moment, i'm gonna have to say my bike runs like crap :(
wolfpack 31st May 2006, 06:48 Do People Really Change Thir Jet Sizes To Suit The Seasons, I Really Am Impressed And Also Ashamed Of My Lazyness, But As It Is Normally Always Winter Here Then Perhaps I Am Not So Bad
lagerdrinker 31st May 2006, 12:18 Do People Really Change Thir Jet Sizes To Suit The Seasons, I Really Am Impressed And Also Ashamed Of My Lazyness, But As It Is Normally Always Winter Here Then Perhaps I Am Not So Bad
pa winters can be in the teens and summer have hit close to a hundred, not that i ride in the teens but i have riden in upper thirties and definitely in the nineties. bike just reacts very diferently to jetting changes. i try to keep up on that.
cantolina 31st May 2006, 12:41 Do People Really Change Thir Jet Sizes To Suit The Seasons, I Really Am Impressed And Also Ashamed Of My Lazyness, But As It Is Normally Always Winter Here Then Perhaps I Am Not So Bad
Jet sizes, no....tuning changes, yes...
Usually just a 1/4 turn when I do make a seasonal change...
OldFenderGuy 31st May 2006, 18:59 Do People Really Change Thir Jet Sizes To Suit The Seasons, I Really Am Impressed And Also Ashamed Of My Lazyness, But As It Is Normally Always Winter Here Then Perhaps I Am Not So Bad
Around here (SE Kansas/NE Oklahamo/SW Missouri) we have quite an extreme in temperatures.
In the summer it can easily reach 105+, in fact, we have been in the mid 90's for the past week. In the winter negative 10 is not out of the question.
The folks I ride with put a lot of miles on our bikes, around 20,000+ for an average year. We ride 12 months a year, except for during ice, snow, and extremely cold temperatures in parts of the winter.
Not many that I know go to the extreme of 'rejetting' during different times of the year, but we do have a local 'tuneup guru guy' that will tune our bikes differently for summer and winter.
Like most places in the country, the gas companies usually "blend" their fuel differently for the summer, and winter months, and this alone will make a difference in the way a bike will perform.
http://dogsdoom.com/PI/1200-ame-18.jpg
Anasazi23 1st June 2006, 01:14 I had a lot of carb pops when I got the bike, with no luck fussing with the idle screw. I finally realized that it was more than likely a needle problem, and it was. Now it runs like a bat out of hell, and I love it.
RIORoosen 1st June 2006, 14:11 Before paying my tax, she ran strong...no farts, nothing.
After...I get the occasional fart when choke is still out and am just getting her warmed up.
Want to place my own call to NRHS!! But will most likely wait till the winter...for the 1212 conversion!!:D
Will replacing the needle or shimming the needle remove the farts?
h-drider33 1st June 2006, 14:13 I too had a lot of carb pops. Since Stage 1, new pipes, jets and AC, none! Sounds great, lots of jump, and gas mileage hasn't suffered too much!
Lovin' it!
i've only been able to ride mine four times since i bought it. basically a basket case. this week sometime i will be getting the heads back from the machine shop, then it's on...hopefully.
SmokeyXL 2nd June 2006, 20:44 My bike runs smooth as hell! So damn strong too.
I got it Dynoed in at 73/80
The service manager was doing the state inspection on it and asked if i had cams or anything.
Nothing but rejet, SE intake, and 2-1 Python exhuast. = awesome!
OldFenderGuy 3rd June 2006, 18:22 My Sportster runs pretty damn good ride now (better than my FXDWG), but in the near future it should be running much better. ;)
I've been in contact with Dan at NRHS, and I'm looking into having a "turn key" transplant done. Where I just drop the bike off, have them do the conversion, tune it up, dial it in, etc....
Now I just need to decide if I want to go with the 1250 or '88 conversion. I'm not looking for the highest possible output, but something dependable, with great low and midrange horsepower/torque, and at least 100 RWHP. :)
http://dogsdoom.com/PI/1200sig10.jpg
lagerdrinker 7th June 2006, 02:05 I think that for anybody to claim their bike runs like a "raped ape" needs to show proof to at least make a 100rwhp as mandatory. =)
ive never raped an ape, how fast do they run?
pops53 7th June 2006, 11:48 ive never raped an ape, how fast do they run?
Apparently not fast enough.:)
lagerdrinker 7th June 2006, 14:35 Apparently not fast enough.:)
my bike runs very well and is plenty fast...:banana
Rob Henderson 7th June 2006, 14:47 Is this raped ape male or female? That would make a big difference on speed....My bet is that the raped male ape is really fast.......
lagerdrinker 7th June 2006, 15:00 Is this raped ape male or female? That would make a big difference on speed....My bet is that the raped male ape is really fast.......
kinda thinking along the same line. female is regular, male is converted:roflblack
lagerdrinker 7th June 2006, 21:58 Ask the person who titled the thread. ;)
:banawala look something like this?
Snuffy 8th June 2006, 00:27 Runs fast enough for me my buddy's stage 1 softtail can't keep up. Vance & Hines shortshot staggered, 45 low, 170 main and averaged over 45 miles pg last weekend. Fast don't kill ya its the sudden uncontrolled impact that F%^ks things up
cantolina 8th June 2006, 02:07 Ask the person who titled the thread. ;)
I don't think raped apes make 100 WHP, regardless of their gender.......so I have to question the comparison.... :p
That being said, there's an element of fairness to that assertion, and although I'm not there yet, I AM completely happy with what I get out of my Sporty for ME.....
I won't race her till I do a new top end (weak lifter spring) and do cams and headwork and ignition.....then I'll be around 100 WHP.....until then, what I mean is that she idles PERFECTLY, pulls EXACTLY as I expect in EVERY gear, and always has more to give me, regardless of the situation.....as pefectly tuned as she could be, sans a dyno.....
That's what I MEAN by "runs like a raped ape".......:banana
Jimbo999 8th June 2006, 02:17 what I mean is that she idles PERFECTLY, pulls EXACTLY as I expect in EVERY gear, and always has more to give me, regardless of the situation.....as pefectly tuned as she could be, sans a dyno.....
That's what I MEAN by "runs like a raped ape".......:banana
Me too.......Very happy with the performance of my ride.
( next week I get progressive front springs.......I know, It's a sickness. I can live with it )
:tour
lagerdrinker 8th June 2006, 08:18 That's what I MEAN by "runs like a raped ape".......:banana
i saw a discovery or animal planet show once where a pissed off baboon was chasing lions. i think they say baboons often Males will do that to protect thier area.
decrago 11th June 2006, 04:10 I don't understand it myself, but since going from 92 octane to 89 octane, my bike runs great! Before, when giving the bike full throttle, there was a tad bit of boggy hesitation. That is completely eliminated with 89 octane. Engine also is quieter, no clunk clunk noises. I don't know why it runs better, but I like it!!
txsporty 11th June 2006, 22:16 I'm Very Happy with the way my Sporty runs, But I know there's more to be had!!!!!:D
ncbuilder 12th June 2006, 01:54 I too am completely satisfied with the way my '06 XL 1200 Custom runs. Powerful acceleration and smooth running engine. Everything pertaining to engine running is factory stock including exhaust, carb and filter. I could not ask for a better running bike. I am no beginner either...this Harley is my 45 bike since 1950...Dan
45 bikes in 56 years, yeah right....................
cantolina 12th June 2006, 01:59 45 bikes in 56 years, yeah right....................
Big deal....A buddy of mine (who works at my shop) has 31 bikes RIGHT NOW....
I don't see this as being hard to believe...????
I love how mine runs. There is always more, the only restraint is financial:) Right now it runs great, and by next weekend it'll be even better. Next summer???? probably even better. I always continue to seek more horses...you can never have too many of them:smoke
bearsfan 13th June 2006, 02:32 I took out the second shim from my needle and after getting the rubber diaphram properly seated, she seems to run much stronger! I think it needs a little help at WOT - still have stock 175, may need a 180 - but is damn close!
So I'm happy - but I KNOW there's more to be had (1200+ kits and all :p)
wabiker 15th June 2006, 17:56 .....runs like crap. Still havent been able to figure out the correct timing setting... DoH...!!
MakuaKane 19th June 2006, 09:19 I'm totally gratefull for all the help I've received through these pages in doing the stage one on my 1200R. No carb farts at all yet and plenty of punch. On the ride home last night though, I opened her up. Felt plenty of pull up to about 3/4 throttle, but after that going to full throttle didn't make a difference. Sounded and felt the same. I'm such a green-horn. Not sure what's happening there. Should I shim or up a main jet size?
lagerdrinker 19th June 2006, 14:37 I'm totally gratefull for all the help I've received through these pages in doing the stage one on my 1200R. No carb farts at all yet and plenty of punch. On the ride home last night though, I opened her up. Felt plenty of pull up to about 3/4 throttle, but after that going to full throttle didn't make a difference. Sounded and felt the same. I'm such a green-horn. Not sure what's happening there. Should I shim or up a main jet size?
what size main do you have? sounds like you need next larger.
MakuaKane 19th June 2006, 17:48 I've got the stock 180 main jet in there, no shims either. Should I forget the shims and try the next size larger jet? Thanks
lagerdrinker 19th June 2006, 17:50 I've got the stock 180 main jet in there, no shims either. Should I forget the shims and try the next size larger jet? Thanks
shimming is for mid range, main is full throttle higher rpms.
cantolina 19th June 2006, 17:53 I'm totally gratefull for all the help I've received through these pages in doing the stage one on my 1200R. No carb farts at all yet and plenty of punch. On the ride home last night though, I opened her up. Felt plenty of pull up to about 3/4 throttle, but after that going to full throttle didn't make a difference. Sounded and felt the same. I'm such a green-horn. Not sure what's happening there. Should I shim or up a main jet size?
Sounds possibly fat at WOT....try a 175
Next time you do a WOT test, a few seconds after it stops pulling, shut the bike down with the kill switch and pull in the clutch, pull over....pull the plugs...they'll likely tell you which way you need to go....
lagerdrinker 19th June 2006, 18:18 Sounds possibly fat at WOT....try a 175
Next time you do a WOT test, a few seconds after it stops pulling, shut the bike down with the kill switch and pull in the clutch, pull over....pull the plugs...they'll likely tell you which way you need to go....
:iagree yes, best way to check without a dyno
BWP 5p 20th June 2006, 01:53 Lot's harder with Unleaded than it was in the old days though!
My plugs after 8300 miles have a very nice light tan....maybe a "hair" rich....but I ain't messin with em!:clap :banana
MakuaKane 20th June 2006, 07:48 Really didn't mean to hijack this thread. Found a little stretch of road today, wound it out in fourth, counted to three and hit the kill switch. Plugs are very light tan. Another thing occured to me, it's probably a good idea to do all this high end carb evaluation on a level piece of road instead of a slope. Throttle response might not be as quick going up an incline and that may have been what I was seeing at first. Just didn't give it enough time to catch up. I'm pretty happy with the results today, especially seeing the plugs and seeing how it pulled with less of a slope. Tough to find a level, and less used, stretch of road when you live on a volcano in the middle of the Pacific. I'm happy.:roflblack :clap :roflblack
MOREHP 20th June 2006, 10:24 If I was on an Island in the middle of the pacific I'd be happy too!!!!!
cantolina 21st June 2006, 02:22 OK, now I wanna hear form the 5% whose bikes run like crap...
C'mon....there's a WEALTH of info in here...what's up? How can we help?
lagerdrinker 21st June 2006, 02:29 OK, now I wanna hear form the 5% whose bikes run like crap...
C'mon....there's a WEALTH of info in here...what's up? How can we help?
maybe a bit shy, or just starting new threads:roflblack
wabiker 21st June 2006, 03:52 soon as somebody can tell me where 32 degrees timing is at I'll be good to go :-(
blueglide88 21st June 2006, 04:09 Just how does a raped ape run? And who the hell would rape an ape?
lagerdrinker 21st June 2006, 07:50 Just how does a raped ape run? And who the hell would rape an ape?
see post 65
greanmeany1 21st June 2006, 18:46 MY 05 1200C RUNS PERFECT, SOUNDS GREAT AND GETS 50 MPG. I AM SCARED TO FOOL WITH IT CUZZ IT IS SPOT ON RIGHT NOW.
CS TAPERED SLIP ON, NESS BIG SUCKER AND DJ JET KIT. [YES I DRILLED THE SLIDE AND USED THEIR SPRING] VERY HAPPY, THROTTLE RESPONCE IS RIGHT NOW ALL THE TIME. :tour :tour
Gone 22nd June 2006, 17:59 :iagree
Yep - I agree. Not my bike though :)
I don't think I'd be taking any of this shop's BS either. However, there are only two Ducati shops nearby here, and he doesn't like the other one. Competition is a good thing for bike shops (7 or so Harley dealers in the area.) Not enough Ducati's to go around though.
--Chris
I'll have to pass this thread on to my daughter. She is 14 and taking drivers training right now. She is convinced that once she gets her motorcycle license (12 month wait after drivers license) she'll "just die if she doesn't get a Ducati"!
I figure in a couple of years she will have fallen for my Anniversary Sportser and I can just paint those pink flames on the gas tank and give her this one.
Then maybe I'll get the FXR.
leadmagnet 8th August 2006, 23:12 Why do some of you people use the phrase "runs like a raped ape"? You know if the poor thing gets raped by a human he/she just going to just sit there wondering wtf happened.
Lead
Clarinetcat 9th August 2006, 01:32 http://myk.is-a-geek.net/LJpics/christianbale/Rape_Ape.jpg
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http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/thumbs/Cat_Burglar.jpg 2006 Sportster 1200 Custom, Vivid Black
Taxes paid: Ness Big Sucker, Samson BigGuns3 Slashers, HONK HONK Stebel AirHorn :burnout
Cat's Litter Box (http://xlforum.net/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=8623)
http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/Let_Me_Out.jpg Let me OUT! I wanna go ride my Sporty!
Got a cat the other day. Had to swerve to get it, but I got it.
roadster 9th August 2006, 05:24 I'd rather ape a rape than rape an ape.
cwissler 9th August 2006, 05:50 Love it...for now. There' always more to be had!
bud095 19th August 2006, 08:12 I'd rather ape a rape than rape an ape.trust me if you tried to rape an ape, you would be the one running!:roflblack
sportyguy 21st August 2006, 04:03 :frownthre Aint NO WAY i would Ape a Rape or Rape an Ape ... either way you're F:censor .. !... :roflblack
But my 1200 sporty runs like a raped ape .. gotta love it .. hard to keep the front end down ... :clap
Bugsy Siegel 21st August 2006, 18:55 Mine runs alright, but it likes to backfire quite a bit. Pretty annoying actually.
carnut 24th August 2006, 04:56 My first HD...(bought sight-unseen...long story):
I believe it is a '95 883 XLH, 1200 conversion (jugs say "screaming eagle", previous owner says it has cams, twin-ignition, (and who-knows what else...he spent some serious $ to have someone build it). Says it has a "fat-bob" tank & soft-tail rear fender (o.k. I guess), 25,ooo miles on the clock, 3K on the top-end. BUT: IT STARTS GREAT, RUNS GREAT, FUN TO RIDE, guess I did o.k.! I thought I'd have to worry about oil leaks...but there is NONE. This little sporty COOKS. Pretty cool. I'M SOLD.
sportyblue 24th August 2006, 06:34 I think my sporty is running perfect. Had the thunder slide taken out and rejetted the carb. Does not cough....still have to choke it to start but that's normal. Iginition went out... now have a toggle until I can get a new iginition switch put in. Wow, after hitting the toggle I barley hit the start button and that babe fires up. Maybe I don't want a new iginition.....except for the theft issue. I think my sporty for the first time is perfect...runs exceptionally good....everything fits perfect. I suppose I could get more out of it if I opted to go with high performance stuff. It did backfire once when I hit the kill switch, recently, at 70mph instead of the blinker.....what to do.....so I hit the start switch......somewhere in all that a big big backfire occured. Yes, I now know to be sure and use the clutch if this mishap ever occures again. :)
wabiker 24th August 2006, 14:13 I Must be one of the 5% 'rs.... Do I get a Patch??
1) Rocker box still leaks oil....
2) Something behind the sprocket cover/cam cover is leaking oil...
3) STILL cant get the timing right,tweak it, ride for a week, tweak it again...Needs to be dynoed, but its my only reliable transport right now and Im broke.
4) Now Ive developed a*tinking* (same noise ya hear when the bike is turn off and cooling) noise on low speed acceleration (from a stop, under load, low rpms high gear) ... Cannot replicate the noise when parked...
...Other than that she runs like a raped sheep.... Baaaa baaaaaa
Preacherman 4th September 2006, 15:21 Mine runs really well now. After putting on a ramflo, cs slip ons and putting a 45 pilot jet with 2-3/4 turns out on the mixture screw it starts right up, rarely farts thru the carb and doesn't backfire or pop on deceleration. I'm going to have it dyno'd just to satisfy my curiousity and see if it needs any shims under the needle. :wonderlan
peace,
Preacherman
Big_Baazzoo 4th September 2006, 16:35 after I added the forcewinder, it was a little lean. Bigger jets now, and She screams like never before! I actually have to hold on tight when I flog her. No more deadness at Wide open throttle.
Terp84Alum 5th September 2006, 00:08 This is my first HD. I've always been a Jap bike guy had a need for speed. When I picked up my 1200C, it was a dog. I thought I had made the biggest mistake. I had to go out of town to get it so going back to the selling dealer wasn't an option. I took it to the local HD dealer and they told me that the selling dealer put the wrong jets in the carb and made their own "high flow" kit (even though they charged me for the HD one). Once I got it back, I was much happier but am still looking for more. I'm thinking of head and cam work this winter, however, I have an '02 and only have about 1100 miles on it.
ed_in_az 3rd November 2006, 19:03 This is my first HD. I've always been a Jap bike guy had a need for speed. When I picked up my 1200C, it was a dog. I thought I had made the biggest mistake. I had to go out of town to get it so going back to the selling dealer wasn't an option. I took it to the local HD dealer and they told me that the selling dealer put the wrong jets in the carb and made their own "high flow" kit (even though they charged me for the HD one). Once I got it back, I was much happier but am still looking for more. I'm thinking of head and cam work this winter, however, I have an '02 and only have about 1100 miles on it.
Do cams anyway. I can consistently beat my friends '02 1200C with stage I Mods(pipe and filter). Since mine is a conversion it's geared lower, but it weighs 60lbs more since it's a rubber mount. That leaves cams as a difference. They're easy to do.
SoonerSporty 3rd November 2006, 19:55 She runs and sounds great. Looks good too. Only complaint is the rear end bouncing around and beating me up on anything but perfectly smooth roads. But it's going to be OK. The 412s are ordered.
DemoRic 3rd November 2006, 21:25 My sporty is a virtually a blank canvas. Engine, pipes, frame the whole thing is stock. The only thing the previous owners did was buy a sissy seat, small windshield, and saddlebags.
It's my daily commuter, so all of those things stayed, but my sporty will be changed as time progresses. Right now it's all about maintanence. New tires, brakes, manuals, etc. First planned upgrade is progressive shocks, and new air intake. Also thinking 'bout the gronk mod.
milmat1 4th November 2006, 14:42 I may have been here before, this thread has been going for a while. Anyway I am suprised at how strong the 06/1200 runs. With stage 1
If I am really hammering it from a roll on, It is damb near out of control the whole time. (Thats what we like). Second gear will pop the front tire off the ground and third will scoot you back in the seat.
cantolina 4th November 2006, 22:20 I may have been here before, this thread has been going for a while.
Yeah, I started this thread quite some time ago...
I like to hear the stories of people happy with their Sportys....
:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap
Jimbo999 5th November 2006, 00:50 I couldn't be happier with the way my Sporty rode All Season this year.
Got lots n' lots of miles and many good memories. I discovered how Great a
pre-dawn / sunrise ride is and some beautiful backroad areas. Gravel & dirt
roads are fun too but it's slow and easy riding 'em.
Fast isn't always the best way to go..............
New places and new sights to see are why I ride.
:tour
clarkg1124 5th November 2006, 17:31 My bike runs just as I expected it would.Power is decent,drivability is fine(except for the occasional carb fart),and fuel mileage is great.
Clark
vpats 16th February 2007, 19:20 I wondered what that was sticking in the exhaust pipe ...
rider29206 16th February 2007, 20:23 My bike kicks ASS right now.....except for a pesky lifter tick, I'm VERY happy with the way she's running....
I was just wondering.....with all the problems that are posted, I'm curious how many of us have our bikes tuned JUST the way we want them....
Let's see...
While the bike needs some final tuning, notably by John Golden it has plenty of go go juice. John is according to Joe Minton the best in the country to dial in a Mikuni. John will be in Daytona and we will see him there.
http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/655/dyno_2004_harley_sportste_smallr.jpg
dirt 16th February 2007, 20:37 My bike ran great until I had it converted to a 1200 ,It has a lot of power now but its been almost a year since the mod and we are on our second head gasket !the bottom of the jug is seeping oil and I noticed yesterday while cleaning it the bottom of the pushrod tube is leaking pretty good ! when you start it she idles rough and pops plus you need to run the enrcher out just a touch!But with all these problems 85mph is a dream!
racerwill 17th February 2007, 02:51 I love the way my bike runs..... power starts at 1800rpm and pulls smooth and strong to 3000rpm..... then it takes off to 6000rpm and we're flyin'
too bad about the Ducatis bad shop experience.... in my shop, we fix'em and send'em home.
Ww
rigidpanman 23rd February 2007, 14:53 My bike ran great until I had it converted to a 1200 ,It has a lot of power now but its been almost a year since the mod and we are on our second head gasket !the bottom of the jug is seeping oil and I noticed yesterday while cleaning it the bottom of the pushrod tube is leaking pretty good ! when you start it she idles rough and pops plus you need to run the enrcher out just a touch!But with all these problems 85mph is a dream!
dirt,are you having loose stud issues,my bike has blown 2 rear gaskets since my brother bought it(about 3 years ago).i replaced the second one about a month ago.the right rear stud loosened up(both times).my brother bought a new stud from harley last year when it blew on him,the stud would not tighten up at harley specs.the local sportster guru told me to turn the stud over(with the shoulder down)and use loctite.it did tighten up that way,i havent ridden yet,the weather hasnt been too good.so we`ll see how that works out.good luck.
ejonny 26th February 2007, 07:47 I'm happy with mine, but what the heck do I know, I've only been ridin' for 5 months or so!
Duane Wood 26th February 2007, 09:06 That wouldn't fly in MY shop.....
I can't understand these kinds of things...
Its not fkn voodoo......
Waiting for a part is ONE thing....but "I'll get to it next week", is pure BS....
Sorry you don't live near me...we get bikes out the fkn door.....
I'm proud of the fact that every single bike in the shop made it out for the holiday weekend, plus some drop-ins yesterday......and my tradesman (the guy I'm apprenticing with) is out with surgery!
:clap
The guy needs to learn to work on his Duck. He would have had it running already. Some shops hold them for ransom, then charge triple what the real cost was, citing all types of excuses.
bosskag 26th February 2007, 14:17 I'm happy with mine, but what the heck do I know, I've only been ridin' for 5 months or so!
can't help you...you are about to find out who is the boss...
hawk mechanic 26th February 2007, 16:12 I am more than happy with the was that my bike runs. I do want it to go faster though, and I always will, no matter what I do to it. There is always more to be had, and I will be reaching for it.
ReddTigger 2nd May 2007, 04:42 I voted crap.
Lifter noise is bugging the crap out of me.
Seems too rich, but has signs of being too lean,
Variable idle speeds, super fast 1 day, not so fast the next??
Replacing the 883 ignition with a SE 1200 I Grabbed off ebay, After tire and brakes get finished, I'll let you know if it helped any.
racerwill 2nd May 2007, 04:59 That wouldn't fly in MY shop.....
I can't understand these kinds of things...
Its not fkn voodoo......
Waiting for a part is ONE thing....but "I'll get to it next week", is pure BS....
Sorry you don't live near me...we get bikes out the fkn door.....
I'm proud of the fact that every single bike in the shop made it out for the holiday weekend, plus some drop-ins yesterday......and my tradesman (the guy I'm apprenticing with) is out with surgery!
:clap
I agree.... two weeks and its not even looked at???? taking care of your customers means getting them back on the road...."i'll get to it next week" is pure BS....
"fixin'em and sendin'em home".....thats what we do.:smoke
Ww
jrick56 4th August 2007, 01:43 he does every day brother in christ
Big_Baazzoo 4th August 2007, 06:30 My bike runs like a scalded ape, I'm not sure if that is the same thing ...
jessearias 30th August 2007, 18:57 How could I be any happier. Look at my signiture. Well, maybe if it was an 88 putting out 120HP:p
Martyvz 2nd September 2007, 06:09 Exactly how well does an ape run after being raped as opposed to consensual sex?
srrice40 2nd September 2007, 18:00 Exactly how well does an ape run after being raped as opposed to consensual sex?
Raped Ape - Probably like a "Bat out of Hell"
consensual Ape - needs to relax and have a smoke. :p
XL4me 3rd September 2007, 00:50 My Sporty runs great ! an occational / rare carb fart on decel (if I blip the throttle)......, very smooth ! Used to work on cars / bikes (worked on bikes in a Honda and a Harley dealer back in the '70s) many years ago, didn't do much wrenching before I bought this bike. Would not have been as smooth as it was, if it wasn't for this forum (and a couple other, as well).:luvsport :xlrocks :chop :sporty: :supporttr :us: :us: :us: :us:
kdarejr 13th January 2008, 06:46 could you tell me what you are running for jets and needle type and or shims ? i just cant seem to get mine right loads up on start up and wide open it just dont go !!! thanks i have read jetting 101 and have tried diffrent jets i must be missing something !!!
I traded my 883 for a 97 1200 A Lil work and I am very happy !
AussieGazza 13th January 2008, 07:42 I changed my oils and plugs yesterday after over 5k on them. Plugs are triple platinums.
Front was carboned up a bit and rear was perfect. Given the milage, very happy.
Looks like front is too rich. Wierd. Normally the other way round. Any ideas anyone, other than enricher on too long?
Anyway, it started running rough about 500 kms ago and it took me a while to check it out. If this is the only problem I have and it takes over 5k to happen, I am very happy with the bike.
findangle 14th January 2008, 03:29 Good idea on the thread.
My bike == perfect (well, for me anyway.)
I loaned my bike to someone for the day on Saturday (his new Ducati is in the shop :) ) and he came back and told me that I should never have loaned it to him, it just rides so smooth over the bumps, power is always right there, sounds great, great brakes. Now he wants my bike instead of his...
So, add me to the list of people who are extremely happy with the way mine runs.
--Chris
don't ask me to find the quote but i remember reading a rep from ducati once mentioning something like 60% of duc owners are also hd owners.. i wonder how many of those are sporty's.
LoneRyder 14th January 2008, 08:02 Just recently put in a new ignition, coil and wires and she is practically ripping my arms off. Oh, and the bike is running great too!
Sporting Lad 14th January 2008, 09:03 Hey, I'm just curious, man--
How is it you come to know what a raped ape runs like??
:p:doh:laugh:shhhh
Oh, yeah--my bike runs great!:wonderlan
p'chop 14th January 2008, 15:14 Yup, pretty satisfied with my 1200C. Stage 1, V&H shortshots. That's about it for performance upgrades.
kdarejr 29th February 2008, 13:49 I do 62 Hp & 64 Torque with a 13.1 A / F some day I want to do cams and heads and then I will be happier ! my glide Is 90/95 I like it now even better and my 750 is an 836 I like that one also !
Rascal 29th February 2008, 14:41 No idea what a raped ape runs like, but my bikes runs fine for me.
ShadenGheist 17th March 2008, 01:10 Mine runs like a Scalded Dog. No check box for that, so I had to go with Raped Ape.:D Speaking of Apes... Most of you might have seen this guy on TV.... For those of you that have not, allow me to introduce....The Trunk Monkey!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9tj3xnsqfY After the clip, there are about 15 more of the Trunk Monkeys escapades, in the small boxes at the bottom. Enjoy!:smoke
vermonner 29th May 2008, 20:49 I just bought my 1st Harley one week ago. it is a 2002 XL1200c. I bought it from my cousin who has zero mechanical aptitude/ability. It has Screamin Eagle Pipes on it, but HE NEVER JETTED IT, HE NEVER JETTED IT, HE NEVER JETTED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I expect once I install the new Jet this w/e, it will go much better.
BTW, It has been reccomended to me that I use the stock spring from my carb and not use the one which comes with the kit. Any thoughts?
vermonner 12th June 2008, 13:53 Stage 1 complete w/ appropo JET and yeehaw!!!!
No more sleepy sleepy and better mid range
I think cams are my winter project this year and heads the winter after that.
flipcrab85 29th July 2008, 12:56 bike runs great...i just havent done anything to it yet to need to tune it :(
misterT 29th July 2008, 13:31 After after adding SE536 cams,SE 10.5-1 pistons, head porting,TC88A ignition, supertrapp exhaust and a 28 tooth pulley. YEAH i am real happy with it, smokes the tire in first and carries the front wheel. Just desimated a guy on a fat boy that thought his was fast. The dealer told him it was a real hot bike really fast.
Teehaml 7th August 2008, 03:07 My sporty runs great! For me it's all I need... Tee :banadanc
mikey04 9th November 2008, 18:26 just how does a raped ape run? I would think if it was raped hard, it kinda waddle
GBag 9th November 2008, 20:12 I'm happy with my ride. I had the stealer put Stg 1 intake, PCIII, & Rush 2.0 on it. they have a dyno so they "dyno tune" it but I have my doubts about the level of tune they can legally give. I think there is more to be had but it probably won't pass emissions then. Such is the dilemma of having it tuned at the stealer.
bykerbrad 9th November 2008, 20:39 URBAN DICTIONARY ..raped ape
1) something that goes wicked freakin fast
2)something going like a bat out of hell :smoke
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