Anyone got a sleeper street legal drag bike?
Anyone ever take on some rice and beat them at a stop light , or at least give them a good run?

Just got back from a long nighttime ride and I come up to a young guy on a Kawi ZX10(?), I say hi he laughs the light turns green and I gun it (now there is no way in hell I can beat this guy ) but I gun it he's surpised then he goes... catches up but a car pulls out into his lane and I keep on the gas passing the car & he stays behind, now pissed off that I got ahead. I get to the next light & he won't look at me, I'm laughing because I know that he can smoke me, the light turns green we both gun it & he dusts me..bye bye....So I get to thinking on my ride back home- is it possible to build a sleeper street legal sporty that can run with the rice...anyone.

http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?threadid=30457

Yes it is possible, but it will cost you as much as that ZX-10 cost new! :)

Depends what's your definiton of "legal"?:D

a zx10r is a tough one...they do approximately 100mph in first gear! now 600cc bikes you can get pretty close. im waiting to see what my 1250 will do against one.

I stayed about 2 car lengths ahead of a Ninja 600.

I haven't had a chance to race a 900 or 1000 yet.

I've beaten a V Rod and "worked" Dyna Low Rider so far in the Harley world.

I have puuled a zrx1200 eddie lawson ( http://www.motorcycledaily.com/15sept00kawasaki2001zrx1200.html )in a roll on to about 240 kmh. it was such a thrill...made all the money spent seem worth it. ran into his buddy at a car show later and we spoke about how surprised they both were...it was my longest single pull on the bottle ever.

I have beat 1000cc bikes at the strip and have even beat a few slightly modified busa's at the strip i usally get them on the tree and out 60 them then they have a hard time running me down because i run 130 to 135 mph thru the big end. The biggest factor on a jap bike is the rider. I have beat a few 1000cc bikes on the street but its harder on the street because everybody wants to go from a roll. The key is to run them from a stop or barely rolling so you can get a jump on them before they can get in their powerband because your not going to out mph them sooner or later they are going to catch you and when they are behind you they are more likely to make a mistake becuase they are usally in shock and then they try to hard to catch you and miss shifts or over rev their motors trying to catch up.

I smoked a lot of big Jap bikes back in 1990 with a high compression 86" cammed up Ironhead stroker I had built.:smoke
That was before the liter were as fast as they are nowadays but they were still plenty fast.
It was damn quick off the stop light and left many a Japper with a long face :roflblack

a zx10r is a tough one...they do approximately 100mph in first gear! now 600cc bikes you can get pretty close. im waiting to see what my 1250 will do against one.


quick update: went for a ride with a buddy of mine, hes got a 2005 cbr 600rr. found out on a launch i destroy him and from a roll on at around 35mph i can walk away up until 110 which he finally passes me...slowly.
i didnt want to start racing the engine just yet(it is broken in) until one more oil change but the devil made me do it...and it was good. he couldnt believe a harley could walk a sportbike. oh and yes he does know about the extra cubes but not until after i beat him.:roflblack

Sometimes those are the best lessons learned. I have seen many a grin on the sport bikers faces when I whack the throttle on the roll at 3000 r.p.m. and the front end comes up 18 inches or so till I shift. It goes back up if I shift hard to second. Power wheelies are fun. I have not got the balls to dump the clutch.

this was a good reason for rearsets. my wheel never came of the ground. my body was hunched over the tank, right foot on the peg. i had as much weight as possible forward. slipped clutch hard and launched...damn that felt good

quick update: went for a ride with a buddy of mine, hes got a 2005 cbr 600rr. found out on a launch i destroy him and from a roll on at around 35mph i can walk away up until 110 which he finally passes me...slowly.
i didnt want to start racing the engine just yet(it is broken in) until one more oil change but the devil made me do it...and it was good. he couldnt believe a harley could walk a sportbike. oh and yes he does know about the extra cubes but not until after i beat him.:roflblack

I suggest your buddy takes some riding lessons.

Sometimes those are the best lessons learned. I have seen many a grin on the sport bikers faces when I whack the throttle on the roll at 3000 r.p.m. and the front end comes up 18 inches or so till I shift. It goes back up if I shift hard to second. Power wheelies are fun. I have not got the balls to dump the clutch.


This on the bike described in your signature ??????

[QUOTE=Dogmann]Anyone got a sleeper street legal drag bike?
Anyone ever take on some rice and beat them at a stop light , or at least give them a good run?

I've got one.

100 inch Zipper's, Baker close ratio six speed, Bandit clutch with lockup. Weighs in around 400 lbs on a rigidized sportster frame, stretched four inches, dropped two. Magnesium wheels, aluminum tank and fenders. Buell forks and rearsets.

I did some shakedown on it, including a couple of passes at the track. WIth some soft launches, it still topped 104 mph in the eighth mile.

read about it(parts of it) in The Horse.

MattD

[QUOTE=Dogmann]Anyone got a sleeper street legal drag bike?
Anyone ever take on some rice and beat them at a stop light , or at least give them a good run?

I've got one.

100 inch Zipper's, Baker close ratio six speed, Bandit clutch with lockup. Weighs in around 400 lbs on a rigidized sportster frame, stretched four inches, dropped two. Magnesium wheels, aluminum tank and fenders. Buell forks and rearsets.

I did some shakedown on it, including a couple of passes at the track. WIth some soft launches, it still topped 104 mph in the eighth mile.

read about it(parts of it) in The Horse.

MattD

You got to post a pic of it :banawala sounds like your running sub 6.50's

I think my Redneck Eng Build is going to be a Nice little sleeper when I get it done. if should tip the scales around 350-400 lbs and with the 1250 kit and stage 3 thunderstorm Heads it should run well.

[QUOTE=Dogmann]Anyone got a sleeper street legal drag bike?
Anyone ever take on some rice and beat them at a stop light , or at least give them a good run?

I've got one.

100 inch Zipper's, Baker close ratio six speed, Bandit clutch with lockup. Weighs in around 400 lbs on a rigidized sportster frame, stretched four inches, dropped two. Magnesium wheels, aluminum tank and fenders. Buell forks and rearsets.

I did some shakedown on it, including a couple of passes at the track. WIth some soft launches, it still topped 104 mph in the eighth mile.

read about it(parts of it) in The Horse.

MattD

What issue? I read The Horse. ALL of them:) and haven't read a thing about this super sportster. Was it in backtalk or a featured bike? What'd this build run you? $20k? $30k:rolleyes:

I'm sorry and if I'm wrong, I'll put my foot in my mouth but: B.S. You're going to need to back up these claims with some pics- of the bike WITH you on it.

Cheers,

Luke

[QUOTE=horsewriter]

What issue? I read The Horse. ALL of them:) and haven't read a thing about this super sportster. Was it in backtalk or a featured bike? What'd this build run you? $20k? $30k:rolleyes:

I'm sorry and if I'm wrong, I'll put my foot in my mouth but: B.S. You're going to need to back up these claims with some pics- of the bike WITH you on it.

Cheers,

Luke

I'm guessing closer to $30k. Assuming it exists.

I have puuled a zrx1200 eddie lawson ( http://www.motorcycledaily.com/15sept00kawasaki2001zrx1200.html )in a roll on to about 240 kmh. it was such a thrill...made all the money spent seem worth it. ran into his buddy at a car show later and we spoke about how surprised they both were...it was my longest single pull on the bottle ever.

The Eddie Lawson replica was not the ZRX1100R or ZRX1200R. That was some 24 years ago on the old air-cooled engines. You did good to stay with a ZRX1200 as they make about 120hp stock at the tire. 130+hp with a header and jetting/pods.

thirteenth post

fourteenth post

magic fifteen.

I just posted a pic on BackTalk, as "current pic of Funky Butt project" I rode the bike at the last SmokeOut then took it apart for powdercoating and polishing.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/13357/message/1166332612/current+pic+of+Funky+Butt+project

Most of my tech articles over the past year have used some part of this project. The whole bike doesn't usually get featured till after I beat on it a while. The newest issue has the pipe fabrication and planning as the last article.

This issue has the braided hose work:
http://www.ironcross.net/Images5/cover64.jpg

I did make 3 or 4 passes down the quarter, but kept hitting a neutral instead of fifth, and coasted through the lights. I ran against my cousin's Buell( http://www.mcworx.com/Dragfighter1.JPG ) since he is always consistent with wheeliebar and airshift. I passed him right at the 1/8 mile point, at 7.1, my 104 to his 96 mph. His 1/4 are usually very low 11's.

The bike is not that expensive. Most of the Buell parts were chopper project leftovers, ebay, and clearance. The frame was modified locally.

MattD

This is a short start video when it was first built. The bike rolls backwards on it's own when at fast idle. I don't have a pic of me on it, but those are my feet:

http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p154/mdaigl1/?action=view&current=start.flv

Wait a minute,those look like my feet!!:p
Nice bike but a little too fast for my liking.I would get in way too much trouble with something that fast!

Was curious as to how this thread would turn out, nice bike horsewriter, you should add some NOS for that extra kick (not that you need it). Am running it on my 1200 soon to be 90" inch street sporty.

Pa, how much rake have you got on that front end. I am going to have my jet heads and my 10.5 to 1 compression installed soon and then maybe I can do a little light to light racing. My colleague had 1 fz1 and his brother has that green 1200 kwak thats so fast. I don't usually race them.

rottenralph, I believe the Seeger kit I have rakes it 13 degrees more than stock, which I can't remember is for a sportster.
When you get those heads installed you'll give them more than a run for their money especially light to light.

Anyone With Access To A Computer And The Web Should Know By Now That Rice Puts Out A Little More Horsepower Than A Sportster, That Is, Stock Vs Stock, Or Do Whatever To The Street 100 Inch Sportster Vs Do Whatever To The Street Turbo Hayabusa. Cycle World Tested A Stock 600 Yamaha And Ran In The 9's. In The Street Shootouts, (not The All Harley Drags) Rice Has Been Running In The 7's For Years. As For Top Speed, John Noonan's Street Turbo Hayabusa (that He Actually Does Ride On The Street) Ran 259 Mph On The Top End. It Puts Out Well Over 500 Hp (closer To 550) At The Rear Wheel. It's Hard To Make Half That Horsepower With A 100 Inch Sportster That Actually Is Streetable. Why Do You Think They Have 'all Harley Drags' And 'push Rod' Only Classes At Bonneville? Yea, You Might Catch A Kid With A New Bike And No Experience At A Light, But Let's Be Honest. Xl 50

Come on XL 50. Everybody knows speed is nothing but money. On Harleys, a lot more money. I once caught one of those Hayabusa things with my Stage 1 Sporty. He was stuck behind slow traffic and trapped by double yellow lines, but I caught him. That counts in my book.

Ok, it was a 250 and he did have a girl on the back:p

Okay, let's be honest and throw a few more things in there to ponder:

Racers or faster than posers on any given bike.
Rice amateur racer's run 9's and 10's, poser's 10's 11's...
Harley amateur racers run 10's & 11's. poser's 13's 14's...
The track is a lot faster than the street, and makes more of a difference to the faster bikes.
Most street races are far shorter than 1/4 mile

There is a lot more overlap than you think...or want to give credit.

Because ot the percentage of poser's it is extremely rare to have HD's beating up on rice....but if you are one of those HD racer's on a ten second sporty, and practice street launches...you would rarely lose.

Why? Because the percentage of rider's who could beat you, that actually acknowledge that you could beat them if they aren't ready is very small.

I think Nitrosportster covered the standard scenario rather well.

MattD

I think xl50 and horsewriter are both right. I just believe that most people that ride rice (on the street) don't do as many extensive mods to there bikes, as they are happy with the performance out of the box.
I think the chances of a stock rice rocket coming up against a modified Harley, on the street, are greater. Now rider experience aside the Harley still might not beat the rice, but one (Harley) with alot of performance mods can sure make it interesting. Just my opinion.

Horsewriter,

I humbly submit my apology. That is one cool sporty. Are those the S&S cases? Anyway, sorry I doubted you. It was the low post count and the description of my dream bike.:sorrysign

Luke

I think xl50 and horsewriter are both right. I just believe that most people that ride rice (on the street) don't do as many extensive mods to there bikes, as they are happy with the performance out of the box.
I think the chances of a stock rice rocket coming up against a modified Harley, on the street, are greater. Now rider experience aside the Harley still might not beat the rice, but one (Harley) with alot of performance mods can sure make it interesting. Just my opinion.

It is kinda hard to do Mods When you pay 2.5-4k a year to keep the thing insured. You know what I mean.

Come on XL 50. Everybody knows speed is nothing but money. On Harleys, a lot more money. I once caught one of those Hayabusa things with my Stage 1 Sporty. He was stuck behind slow traffic and trapped by double yellow lines, but I caught him. That counts in my book.

XLXR,
YOUR RESPONSE WAS THE BEST. I ADMIT THE ONE THING I NEVER THOUGHT OF WAS THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE SENARIO. IT REALLY MADE MY DAY. I LAUGHED OUT LOUD AND EVEN READ IT TO MY WIFE. THANKS. AS FOR THE OTHER RESPONSES, I JUST THINK IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO MAKE WELL OVER 500 HP ON A STREETABLE SPORTSTER. I'M SURE THE BUILDERS OF THE 100 INCH SPORTSTERS WOULD DO WELL AT THE 'ALL HARLEY' DRAGS IN THE STREET CLASS, BUT AT THE STREET SHOOT-OUTS WHERE THEY ALLOW RICE, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE COMPETITIVE, UNLESS THEY CAN PUT DOWN ABOUT 600 HP AT THE REAR WHEEL. XL 50

It is kinda hard to do Mods When you pay 2.5-4k a year to keep the thing insured. You know what I mean.
Yup, another good reason not to buy rice. ;)

Yup, another good reason not to buy rice. ;)

YUP, FULL COVERAGE ON MY '07 1200 IS $306 A YEAR. MAYBE THE INSURANCE COMPANYS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN HP.

Matt D,
The Sportster You Posted On Post #23 Was The Second Best Looking 'street' Sportster I Ever Saw. The Best Was A Twin Engine Sportster Parked At A Place Where Bikers Go For Breakfast Out Here Called Flo's. Thanks For The Post. Xl 50

Horsewriter I love the look of your bike its racy and clean nothing there that doesn't need to be. Your explanation is right on!!! Do you write for a living because you explaned it dead on. The harley needs the element of suprise to beat a rice and even than you are going to lose more than you are going to win. I love harleys but the are like tractor motors compared to rice motors that is why it feels so good when you beat them. I love bikes they are my passion besides my wife and kid and i own a couple a 2000.5 aprilia rsv mille,89 honda cb-1 my first bike and 03 busa so i feel like i now the differance between them better than most. My sporty is my BABY!!!!!! and my aprilia sounds so good and handles awsome its a fun bike to blow off some stress on, but my busa is comfortable and mild mannered and it my long distance ride but when you twist that throttle all the way open than its rocket!!!!! and its all stock except for a slip-on that the previous owner installed, i have run a best of 9.7 at 143mph on it and i have only taken it to the strip 4 or 5 times. Like i said before the rider on the rice is the biggest factor.

http://www.myspace.com/nitrosportster
Here is a link to my MYSPACE web page.

Saw you picked up another win in XL ,but those extreme #'s they are laying down are gonna take some huge cubes i think.
Just read it in American Iron....great job.

Yeah the Extreme Flash bikes are big motors the record holders motor is 144 cu inchs. They are not having a season next year might have a flash race thou so im stuck with out a series to race in again. Good luck and merry christmas.

http://www.myspace.com/nitrosportster
Here is a link to my MYSPACE web page.

Love the bike Nitro, and great choice of tunes for your web space. I spent a few minutes there and the layout works well for ya. Keep it up (wheel that is) and keep that back one planted. Looks great!

I've got two words for this: ORCA Motor. Even if it is only for the big twins, it's still hella fast. The baseline 113" in turbo trim puts out 175 HP @ 6 psi of boost; at 10 psi it runs well over 200 HP and most models will run up to 30 PSI. Air-cooled Rocket Launchers basically. Here's a link

rbracing-rsr . com / 113orca . htm

you'll have to take out the spaces to make it work since I don't have enough posts to make links apparently (huh?)
all I have to say is, "I WANT ONE!!!":D

Luke,
No apology necessary, I did think it was kinda funny to be called out so quickly, though...till I reread my first post...godd to see someone keeping the boards somewhat honest.

XL50,
Thanks for the compliments, and I understand the comments about the rice. One of our fellow racers at www.noproblemraceway.com is running a new zx-14, has not been inside the motor yet, spent a couple thousand on swingarm, lowering, and electronics, no wheelie bar, and has run into the 8's already with a 200 lb rider.

NitroSportster,
I work at a Nuke Plant, kinda Homer Simpson style, and write for The Horse on the side. Although I would undoubtedly have the best seat in the house, I hope I never have to line up next to you at the track....but if we are there at the same time, I'd like you to make a few passes on my bike to wring it out.

Phelan,
I have seen the Orca website before, but haven't seen them much of anywhere else. Has anybody?

later,
MattD

Horsewriter who made your exhaust its killer looking, how does it perform. I would ride that bike in a heartbeat!

We made it ourselves with j-bends and a megaphone from www.burnsstainless.com I wrote it up in the newest issue of The Horse, #65.

Seems to work good so far, I need to put it on a dyno and make sure all the jetting is right.

hey this is all pretty cool and I agree it is as much the rider as it is the bike in a street race and if you really want to see something funny check out the look on a crotch rocketeer's face when some guy on an old honda v65 magna or a yamaha v-max tweaks there nugs in a 5 power pole run on the black top .

Doesn't matter how many HP's you have unless your willing to use them all !!

hey this is all pretty cool and I agree it is as much the rider as it is the bike in a street race and if you really want to see something funny check out the look on a crotch rocketeer's face when some guy on an old honda v65 magna or a yamaha v-max tweaks there nugs in a 5 power pole run on the black top .

A guy I work with has an '81 Suzuki GS1100 or 1150 or 1200 or something like that. Poop brown colored with faded paint. Ugly bike, especially with the windjammer fairing on. It doesn't look like much at all, but it will flat out haul ass! :smoke

We go riding together quite a bit (we're in the same duty section so we have the same days off), and while I obviously can't beat much of anything in a drag race, I have seen him flat out destroy sportbikes off the line. The ones he can't beat, he can still hang with pretty well. Another guy in our shop has a 2005 GSXR600, and the GS still beats the GXSR (I'm sure the rider has something to do with it in that case). I have no idea how much power it is making (he says around 105hp), but I do know that there are a lot of people that use the old GSs as drag bikes.

Some of those older standards and power cruisers are ungodly fast, even by today's standards.

A guy I work with has an '81 Suzuki GS1100 or 1150 or 1200 or something like that. Poop brown colored with faded paint. Ugly bike, especially with the windjammer fairing on. It doesn't look like much at all, but it will flat out haul ass! :smoke

We go riding together quite a bit (we're in the same duty section so we have the same days off), and while I obviously can't beat much of anything in a drag race, I have seen him flat out destroy sportbikes off the line. The ones he can't beat, he can still hang with pretty well. Another guy in our shop has a 2005 GSXR600, and the GS still beats the GXSR (I'm sure the rider has something to do with it in that case). I have no idea how much power it is making (he says around 105hp), but I do know that there are a lot of people that use the old GSs as drag bikes.

Some of those older standards and power cruisers are ungodly fast, even by today's standards.

That's what I have too, tell him to install some 38cv carbs off a old gixxer 750 and a 14 counter tooth sprocket will really wake the old GS up :banadanc

The big air-cooled machines - GS-1100/1150, FJ1100/1200, KZ1000/1100, all had healthy torque. Any one of these going through stage 2 porting, boring, cams, and other engine mods like our Sportsters WILL pull 125 hp or more and 85+ ft. lbs. of torque. They also have 10,000 rpm to play with and are built like hammers, very, very tough to break.

I have a 84 gs 1150 that I found under a tarp in the back yard of a guy with no electricity in his house...serious. $850 and it was mine....that was wednesday, the same saturday I had it at the track runnning 11.6 all weekend long!!!!!!. Unf&^%%$#@*!! believable. Its bullett proof...lokks like crap even after the rattle can ,but its a great strip bike, and its something for my boys to ride with me .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/Narley/Harley%20racing/DSCF0100.jpg

If you need any help try here. You might even run into Katman in your area, he's a big Suzuki nutt too.

http://www.thegsresources.com/_forum/index.php

Whoa! The forum Nazis will start squealing about this jap bike on a Sportster forum.

Thought I'd bring the topic back up of fast street sporty since I brought mine to the track last night.

The bike is well into the tens, how far depends on my 60 ft times, while i get used to launching. My best was a 10.545 @ 131.09 mph. I still have some weight to lose and hp to gain, but the primo racing weather is going away as summer approaches.

I posted a couple of pics over at the quad cam bastards board:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/454914/message/1175958104/A+night+at+the+races
MattD

MattD I love your bike. THat is the direction I want to take mine in although I do want it a bit more clearance since I like corners too.

mattD, the funky butt kicks a$$!! the open primary is the ticket, i love it. My bro buys the horse as soon as they hit the stand, best fu@in rag on the shelf in my opinion. Youve inspired many o' folk with that sportster, i look foward to your upcoming issue...btw my bro's workin on a mini-chop, he's built one already, you have a email address i could send you some pics of them both?

keep up the work on funkybutt, good to see you in the xlforum

Thanks guys.
I ran it again this weekend, boosting my bests to 10.32 at 133.6 mph.

The bikes clearance isn't terrible, but the low pegs have my toes dragging on turns if I don't pick the inside foot up.

mattd@ironcross.net

You got that thing trucking now!!!!! Keep it up. What are your 60 ft times now.

with five runs Sunday I finallly got my sixty foot down to a 1.719, felt like I had the front tire barely on the ground. I can put my heels on the pegs and toes on the ground with the Buell rearsets, and that made it a bunch easier. The only tuning I did was new plugs and advanced the iginition slope 2 clicks(1 degree?)

my 1/8 mile was 6.69 @109.59.

MattD

A 1.6ish 60 foot is waiting for ya! That will make for quite a run.

I agree with Narley a good 1.6 60ft and its low 10.s baby. What is the weight of your bike.

bike is about 420(crude weighing with bathroom scale) and I was 205 suited up.
I have to fix an exhaust bracket, then I'll be taking it to Hawaya racing for some Dyno time.
MattD

402#????.
My weight was 705 bike and fat ass.

here's a pic, if this works. Oh and Narley, the leathers work great, but i still need to lose a few more pounds.

Hey ....are those my old leathers? I had to supersize them in 2006 . Sold them...on ebay i think . Bought one size larger but the exact same set.

yeah, that's them. did you alter the size on this set? I was trying to figure out what size vanson's to buy new.

MattD

No alterations, I think they were 44 and then I bought 46. Check the label.

light to light, nothing is as quick as a 680lb object with 90+ horse power. The low end grunt of a high compression 1200(if piloted correctly) can be brutally effective on the city streets.line em up on your right side, then hit em with that all american scream.that mind !!!! alone will win races.


'87 4 speed chain drive Hemidesign heads 10.5:1 v4 cams mikuni 42 scorpion bandit clutch thunderheader quick hands and balls of steel...

Last week I raced several (4) younger guys on 600cc sport bikes from light to light. They couldn't get off the line without pulling a wheelie and having to back off so I outran them at several lights. Just slip the clutch and get the hole shot then bang the gears without using the clutch. I turned off the main drag and one of them followed me. We got in another race at a long red light which goes up a long curving hill. I got the jump on him there but he passed me in about a block. He let off a little and went wide on a curve so I held it wide open and snaked on by. He passed me again in the next straight but let off again for the next curve. I still had not let off from the red light and passed him at an indicated 110 (my top end) in the middle of the curve. Had to much of a run for him to catch me again. We stopped at the next red light laughing our heads off. I bet he didn't tell his buddies!!!! As a side note, I raced a riding buddy of mine on his old Kaw Z1000 a couple of nights later. Same places as the kids. He smoked me everywhere.....sorry about that.....Dew.