I am going to take this opportunity to tell EVERYONE on the forum to be considerate of other people on the forum.

Recently we have had a few people going back an forth, insulting other members, name calling, etc. The last I checked the average age of the members here is around 35.

Also some people have been responding to posts by belittleing the questions that other have been asking.

Guys and gals....please use restraint when someone in the forum makes a comment that is uncalled for. DO NOT respond to name calling or personal attackes. This just causes a flame war. What you should do is report the post by clicking on the Yield sign on the post. The admins and the moderators will take care of the problem.

Bert, your advice is well received. There are many members who have only been reading. They desire to post and get involved, but feel a bit uneasy breaking into a group of folks, who have become comfortable bantering with one another on these forums. None of us are professional writers and some even struggle with our message hoping it will be received as intended. If a member with limited posts asks a question, we should assume a helping answer. Anything less causes the writer to feel ignored, foolish, or even angry at the response. It's the same feelings an adolescent experiences in the schoolyard playground, and it make some of us to appear as schoolyard bullies.
I'll be blunt! Because of the animals we are, we tend to clique. However, cliques are readily observed on message boards, and they can be intimidating to especially new posters!

Billy

hear hear BigBadBillyBullyBasher....


None of us were born knowing everything......

and even some of the seemingly silly questions can make those of us with a bit more experience have a look and often see things we've missed or simply forgotten....



One note tho.....just have a look thru the threads and do a search if you have a specific question... as you can appreciate some questions get asked and answered often...

If ya can't find it there, then jump right in...... we don't bite...and any that do nibble the newbies get bitten themselves.

[QUOTE=stevo] BigBadBillyBullyBasher....[QUOTE]

Ha Ha I like that.




Thankfully though, this is a rare occasion, rather than the norm. I have seen a few mean spirited comments to some questions as well. If you are perhaps having a bad day, maybe you should refrain from taking it out on someone by answering in a "spirited" manner. It only insults the person who asked and if that new person is offended you can bet they will tell their friends about the way they were "welcomed" at the XL Forum. This is a fun and relaxing place to hang out and BS with a lot of good folks.

Remember, make a customer happy and they'll be back.
Treat them like crap and they tell everyone they know who did it.

Just my .02. Barry

I guess I'm a little confused. The original issue of this thread seemed to be this:

Recently we have had a few people going back an forth, insulting other members, name calling, etc.....DO NOT respond to name calling or personal attackes.

Which warning folks about and discouraging is COMPLETELY understandable and I fully support that.

But then a 2nd issue seemed to come up, which I don't quite understand how it relates to the original issue. It seems like a separate issue to me:

a group of folks, who have become comfortable bantering with one another......cliques are readily observed on message boards, and they can be intimidating

And, I'm not really sure what this means but I'm thinking maybe the same kinda thing:

We simply can’t afford to have an “Ol’ Boy’s Club” develop here

I certainly hope I haven't done anything to intimidate new people...I've usually been able to draw new folks into the mix on a lot of other forums by being quite the opposite because I think I come off as nonthreatening as a person can be...ask my husband ;) lol

Anyway, my confusion is how you might expect that folks participating on a forum on a daily basis with each other would NOT develop a fair amount of camaraderie and a level of comfort and, well, a feeling of friendship? I actually don't see that as intimidating, but welcoming. Its what drew me right into the mix when I first signed up here recently, and it was easily recognizable that the folks already participating here were very eager to welcome a newcomer into that mix.

I'm not so sure that having a group of folks that are comfortable with each other is what keeps new folks from posting. I participate on several forums (some more actively than others and some just lurking), and I find that this type of thing develops on ALL of them. I also have observed that folks who continue to lurk and just read are folks that would do that anyway because it is simply their personality....they gain the knowledge and information they are seeking by reading what is posted. They are no more or no less a part of the "community" than those that have 3,000 posts IMO.

Well, anyway, my point is, you have a great community building here and its that feeling of community which will result in the success of a forum and so it should be allowed to develop.

Of course, I agree that flaming and insulting should not be allowed because that is what really intimidates new folks from jumping right in, and well, differences or not, there's just no call for that kind of behavior.

As a relatively newcomer, and based on my experiences on other forums, I can honestly say that you have a good thing going here. You're going to have disagreements that you will need to deal with. You're going to have "friendships" develop and all the things that come along with a community and well all in all, I think that's a very dynamic and good thing! :)

The main thing here IS RESPECT!!!! Please, RESPECT the other people here and their Views!! I not saying you have to agree on everything, everyone says here. BUT RESPECT what each member is saying!!! If you can't say something NICE, DON"T say ANYTHING!!!!! Personel Attacks are Childish, as Bert pointed out the average age here is 35!!! NOT 15!!! Most are much older!

So Please lets all get along!!!! :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap


:D

I think the friendships are a wonderful result of what I consider time well-spent. I also think new folks see that pretty quickly and those who are comfortable will readily join in. Others will not become active, not so much from being intimidated or feeling left out; it's just their personal style and preference.

Kath- you're new and yet I think your acceptance has been quick and complete. There's not a person here who wouldn't be willing to ride with you and even offer to fill your gas tank...

:p

I think that you should write to those that you are concerned about and leave the rest of us out of it(unless you mean me). Give them specifics and let them know the consequences. I for one don't need this lecture. Keep it where it belongs. P.M. the guilty and get there understanding. Spare the rest of us this kind of childish crap. Confront the guilty and spare the innocent.

Nicely put Kath! :clap

Kath- you're new and yet I think your acceptance has been quick and complete. There's not a person here who wouldn't be willing to ride with you and even offer to fill your gas tank... :p

We'll all ride with you Kath, but Shark can fill your gas tank! I have a hard enough time keeping mine from running over!
Billy

We'll all ride with you Kath, but Shark can fill your gas tank! I have a hard enough time keeping mine from running over!
Billy

hehe Actually, guys, I think after the grand admission of my little faux pas, I don't foresee that any guy will offer to fill my gas for me ever again ;)

hehe Actually, guys, I think after the grand admission of my little faux pas, I don't foresee that any guy will offer to fill my gas for me ever again ;)

I'd still offer, Kath, but the hope would be that you refused...

;)

hehe Actually, guys, I think after the grand admission of my little faux pas, I don't foresee that any guy will offer to fill my gas for me ever again ;)
Kath, Kath, Kath!

Chivalry is not dead... dormant at times, but not dead!

one thing to remember is if someone calls you a "whatever" ignore them

a shouting match needs both sides to work , if only one side is name calling then they will look the "bad guy"

restraint and Consideration, don't make me whip out the big stick and smack all your knucks

don't make me whip out the big stick and smack all your knucks
...and pans, and shovels?
:D

I think that you should write to those that you are concerned about and leave the rest of us out of it(unless you mean me). Give them specifics and let them know the consequences. I for one don't need this lecture. Keep it where it belongs. P.M. the guilty and get there understanding. Spare the rest of us this kind of childish crap. Confront the guilty and spare the innocent.

I think Ralph makes a good point here. Since this thread was started as a general warning to everybody, I have already seen a couple j@ckoff$ posting items that contradict it.

We need to identify, inform, correct, and remove (in that order) the a$$holes who cannot, for whatever reason, conform to the few rules that are in effect for this forum.

I'm sorry if I have come off too strongly on this issue, but I have an extremely short tolerance level when dealing with a$$hole$. Rant over. :frownthre

I think Ralph makes a good point here. Since this thread was started as a general warning to everybody, I have already seen a couple j@ckoff$ posting items that contradict it.

We need to identify, inform, correct, and remove (in that order) the a$$holes who cannot, for whatever reason, conform to the few rules that are in effect for this forum.

I'm sorry if I have come off too strongly on this issue, but I have an extremely short tolerance level when dealing with a$$hole$. Rant over. :frownthre


AS stated .......don't rant... bring it to the attention of a MOD..click the yield sign at the bottom left under your avatar...



and as far as to who this concerns..

If the cap fits wear it......if not leave it on the hat rack and move on....

I hope I never offend or insult anyone on this forum. If I do, please let me know. I realize that at times something written may not come across as well as it would in person, when you can see a twinkle in the eye, and a little grin. ;) This is one of the best forums I've had the pleasure to post on, and I've seen some forums that were extremely vicious in nature.

I'm a true lurker! I have been a member since I believe a month or so after the original forum started. My post # is, hell I don't even know. Very low in comparison to others. Making friends for some on this forum is great [I guess]. Me I get on everynight for interesting info, or pure entertainment. Hell the only reason I'm commenting now is I'm just that bored, and it's raining out.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :tour

I think for the most part everyone has a good time on this forum and the banter between members is always done with good hearted humor. The occasional flare is then follwed by an apology. You can't have a thin skin, just take it for what it is.

It looks like it is time to revive this thread. I know winter is coming up on us fast and many people can not get out an ride as much as they would like to which may be raising tempers.

Listen up. If someone on this forum asks a question requests an opinion then feel free to give them an honest answer.

But, when you answer please do it in a civilized way. If you have a negative opinion please reply but don't use your opinion as a way of dogging people out. State your opinion but do it in a non-offensive way.

If you feel the need to ridicule other on the Internet then please find another place to do it.

This goes for normal XL Forum members and XL Forum Team members.

Also...I REFUSE to lose XL Forum members based on the actions of a few that feel they do not have to follow the forum rules and etiquette which can be found here

http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=13

I am going to take this opportunity to tell EVERYONE on the forum to be considerate of other people on the forum.

Recently we have had a few people going back an forth, insulting other members, name calling, etc. The last I checked the average age of the members here is around 35.

Also some people have been responding to posts by belittleing the questions that other have been asking.

Guys and gals....please use restraint when someone in the forum makes a comment that is uncalled for. DO NOT respond to name calling or personal attackes. This just causes a flame war. What you should do is report the post by clicking on the Yield sign on the post. The admins and the moderators will take care of the problem.

I think you mean upside-down Yield sign.

JB

it's the right way up when ya downunda :D


But yeah I think that means you've read it...

so now ya got no excuses:roflblack :roflblack

it's the right way up when ya downunda :D


But yeah I think that means you've read it...

so now ya got no excuses:roflblack :roflblack

¿Do your yield signs point up-wards?

Also, I don't need excuses. If you treat people with respect, you ain't got nothing to worry about.

JB

¿Do your yield signs point up-wards?

JB

no ... they're the the same...wide part to the top..... the joke was everything looks back to front down here to you guys...



Also, I don't need excuses. If you treat people with respect, you ain't got nothing to worry about.

JB

well said .... if you treat people with respect you'll find it returned in most cases..... unfortunately some people don't respect themselves, so it makes it difficult for them to respect others......
the reputation system may give some people a idea of how they come accross once it settles down...

Respect is something that is earned....as anything worth having isn't going to be given away.....


We may get a few people holed up because of the snow goin stir crazy over the coming months because they can't ride their sporties.....
While I'm not familiar with the cold....I can appreciate not being able to ride wouldn't help matters.

This is just to remind everyone to relax and have a beer or a coffee if you've already had too many beers....

We come here to relax and chill out away from the other problems the world puts on our shoulders, even tho we all have our bad days it just pays to keep in mind that it's not everyones elses fault.......but we can listen...:tour

Well, since I have been here I have been treated great. I may be quite new and may well be posting too much and boring the hell out of some of you guys (and if I am, feel free to tell me!) I do try and search threads first for related stuff, but must admit that I do enjoy posting new threads which hopefully have some interest for others.

Everyone who joins, gets a warm welcome and have yet to see any bike pics posted that don't get positive feedback.

But it does take time to get to know people just by the written word (I'm sure the Chat when it's available will make it easier to get to know some of you) and can be very easy to misinterperet something wrongly. Many of you have been here sometime and know each other very well. Now that's a good thing because you guys know when you are ribbing each other and how far you can go, but not so easy for the newer folk on here to get that quite so readily.

To quote a personal example, on a recent post I got a reply of OH NO, he's also a used car salesman! Now that's ok! heard every one in nearly 30 years! and has been a long time since I sold a car! But the bit that got me was "also"
What does "also" mean... Got me thinking, "Sheesh, maybe I am not so welcome on here.." "Maybe, the paid forum members have their own little chat about non paid up members..." etc, etc. Well personally if I do something wrong, or I am not following etiquette, or even just being a pain in the ass and dull I WOULD RATHER KNOW!

Now the person that posted it, I have a very high regard for.. he has been welcoming, helpful, funny, interesting and by the way others perceive him I can only conclude that he is a good guy. So i then took it as intended, realsing I may have been just a tad paranoid and over sensitive (Bloody dangerous on here, you would go mad in days!!!) But it does show how you can misinterperet a simple statement, a simple PM to someone who is causing a problem, or breaching rules may well stop any misunderstanding.

Have looked at many forums, joined in with some and just watched on others.. but this is the first one I have ever spent any time on.

Why?

Well for a start I tried to join other forums, for some my email address wasn't good enough, other's were obviously down on sportsers (as in, it's NOT A BT).

XL - let me join without some new email addy, got a great welcome, met some good people, was treated decently and with kind thoughts when I had too much to drink and felt sorry for myself. I have had some great pm's and advice, got lot's of new idea's for my bike and have learned more about my bike in a few week's here than I had in a Year of owning it. Thanks to the help of others I now have a photopage, I know how to download pics and post them (Thanks KC and Mordak).

Too many people to remember to thank for all the words, so I will just say thank's guy's and gal's for making me feel like this is a worthwhile place to be and as long as I am still welcome I will be here.

Bill "Also"

WOULD APPRECIATE FEEDBACK ON THESE THOUGHTS..Thanks All

:banapurp :bump :banapurp

WOULD APPRECIATE FEEDBACK ON THESE THOUGHTS..Thanks All


Well said Bill. As Stevo often points out, a lot can get lost in translation with just the written word. No facial expressions or tone inflections to give you a true understanding of what you're reading. So sometimes we can take things different than how we would in a verbal conversation witht he exact same words spoken.

I'm glad you brought this back up Bert. I got into a little teeth gnashing recently (alsmost all behind the scenes) but I wish I hadn't and am glad that person and I got things worked out. I'm generally very even keiled on here but even I can get caught up. So it is a good reminder for ALL of us.

XLF Rocks and so do the folks that make it what it is!

Also...I REFUSE to lose XL Forum members based on the actions of a few that feel they do not have to follow the forum rules and etiquette

:clap :clap :clap

Well said Bill. As Stevo often points out, a lot can get lost in translation with just the written word. No facial expressions or tone inflections to give you a true understanding of what you're reading. So sometimes we can take things different than how we would in a verbal conversation witht he exact same words spoken.

I'm glad you brought this back up Bert. I got into a little teeth gnashing recently (alsmost all behind the scenes) but I wish I hadn't and am glad that person and I got things worked out. I'm generally very even keiled on here but even I can get caught up. So it is a good reminder for ALL of us.

XLF Rocks and so do the folks that make it what it is!

Thanks GOTWA

Fell good that I found this wee place on the web, and got to meet some great and wise (well, wiser than me! but that aint hard) people!

I believe in the old adage, "we can disagree without being disagreeable".

I believe it was Rodney King that stated " Can't we all just get along".

points Well made.. First forum I've ever had anything to do with, Were I cared about belonging. And I guess that is why I particapate here. Surprisingly , I find it strange of how, I precieve the individuals on the other side of the thread. I try not to be judgemental of them or thier opinions, likes or dislikes. folks should realize that if they want to sling it, it is gonna come back at them. And they should consider that first. I don't see anything wrong with light hearted banter ,or bashing if you will, But that is me. I ,Myself really don't give a crap about what you ride ,what year it is, wether you done the mods or or bolted it on or what, What I care about is the fact that we all ride. That is were we have our common bond. And this is a place to come and share it.
But if you feel the need to bash on someone? feel free to bash on me. I can take and kinda enjoy it. And besides that gives you all a break from Bashing GOTWA ( just picked your handle out of the air dude, nothing implied).
Seriously, it is not good for the guests that have real questions and needs to be intimadated from joining in. There are many fine and knowledgable XL'ers lurking, That can lead them into the light. So for now, I'm gonna go out side here and figure out were this loose wire is from on my, old school, girlie ,wanna be BT, Bolt on bobbed tail beast and go for a putt.

"You painted your bike with what color?? Why!!??"
Take care and ride free.....Sincerly Poser, I mean Jamman..

To quote a personal example, on a recent post I got a reply of OH NO, he's also a used car salesman! Now that's ok! heard every one in nearly 30 years! and has been a long time since I sold a car! But the bit that got me was "also"
What does "also" mean... Got me thinking, "Sheesh, maybe I am not so welcome on here.." "Maybe, the paid forum members have their own little chat about non paid up members..." etc, etc. Well personally if I do something wrong, or I am not following etiquette, or even just being a pain in the ass and dull I WOULD RATHER KNOW!

Ummmmm that was me.:sofa
Bill I know it's past now but i'd still like to apologise. I'm very sorry if that comment of mine caused you any grief. I don't know why I put 'also'. I really meant nothing by it and I also hold you in high regard.
Again, please accept my sincere apologies.

That being said, your post has made me even more aware of how I should respond to new members. My comment was waaay too strong for someone that had been a member for only a month or so.

This has opened my eyes and i'll be more careful from now on.

I guess this thread needs a little bump.

mainly in the winter months ;)


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

So the upside down yield sign is for and does what again? This is all new to me.

If you feel that a post or thread violates the forum rules then you click it and an email will be sent to the admins and moderators to review the post or thread.

If you feel that a post or thread violates the forum rules then you click it and an email will be sent to the admins and moderators to review the post or thread.

So it basically allows us the members to police the forum and uphold the rules and regs that have made this the great community that it is. Good to know. Since I've never had the chance to thank you for providing the great service that is xlforum I'll do it now. Thank you. I've been a member of numerous forums NON of which I continued to frequent for many of the reasons already mentioned here. I commend you on your choice of moderators, healthy enviroment, and open communication you find here.

Looks like its time to bump this thread up so we all can read it again
Jim:tour

How about having another read... :bump

Good call, John. Riding season's ending (for us non Cali/Arizona/Texas people, anyway), so that signals the inevitable start to flaming season. Hopefully everyone will keep it to a minimum (or at least contained in the P&R forum).

I have read this entire thread.. and still cant find the "yield sign":frownthre or do u mean that "yield sign" you pick when u go to advanced ?

I have read this entire thread.. and still cant find the "yield sign":frownthre or do u mean that "yield sign" you pick when u go to advanced ?
Look above your post...on the right hand side right above:
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Central MA
Posts: 455
Sportster/Buell Model: XL883L
Sportster/Buell Year: 06

you will see this icon: http://www.xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/images/buttons/orange/report.gif

click that to report a post :) All admins/mods get the report so if there is someone around then it should be attended to in short order.

Hmmm ...*scratches head*........ Its not there............



(its ok i have nothing to complain about or anyone)

it's not next to the post number? hmm, I guess only team members can report posts, I'll have to take a look at the permissions, but I'm guessing that's the way that it is set up.

I see both of your report post signs. Scroll a little left and you'll see it but probably not on your own post.

Ok, definitely not on your own post.

it's more like a caution slow vehicle sign actually

actually if we're going to go and get all specific, it's the international road sign for "danger" I believe :)

This type of communication is new to me and I make a fool of myself at times but I really like EVERYONE here and value your opinions. I would prefer to look you all in the eye when we talk but that's not the way it is. If it was not for you guys I would not have my 412's or my Thunderheader or would have thought of putting on a 30t pulley. I would just be riding around thinking I was cool with out these up grades. We can all have a bad day, as long as it's only a day.

I believe this thread needs a little bump.

I am going to take this opportunity to tell EVERYONE on the forum to be considerate of other people on the forum.

Recently we have had a few people going back an forth, insulting other members, name calling, etc. The last I checked the average age of the members here is around 35.

Also some people have been responding to posts by belittleing the questions that other have been asking.

Guys and gals....please use restraint when someone in the forum makes a comment that is uncalled for. DO NOT respond to name calling or personal attacks. This just causes a flame war. What you should do is report the post by clicking on the Yield sign on the post. The admins and the moderators will take care of the problem.


I know you mean this post !!


:tour
I agree, It should be read again :doh

Well I for one has hope my (good natured) treasing, and general goofing on friends on the forum has not been misinterperted and/or rubbed anyone the wrong way, weather directed at them particuarly (or bothered lurkers). If so, PM me:o

DC

I am going to take this opportunity to tell EVERYONE on the forum to be considerate of other people on the forum.

Recently we have had a few people going back an forth, insulting other members, name calling, etc. The last I checked the average age of the members here is around 35.

Also some people have been responding to posts by belittleing the questions that other have been asking.

Guys and gals....please use restraint when someone in the forum makes a comment that is uncalled for. DO NOT respond to name calling or personal attackes. This just causes a flame war. What you should do is report the post by clicking on the Yield sign on the post. The admins and the moderators will take care of the problem.

:iagree "Only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bushel"....

Just play it safe and stay out of the IronHead section!!


hahaha:sofa:chtwo

It's just the internet, kids.
Nuttin' ta get worked up about.:rolleyes:

The XLForum membership represents a very broad cross-section of the world in general, and the 'motorcycle enthusiast' and 'biker' worlds in particular. As such, we have a wide range of sensitivities and 'lack-there-of'. There are members here who share parts of the forum with their young ones, and others who have more 'conservative' demeanors. There are also members who have a much more 'colorful' or 'liberal' perspectives and will voice their dissent or opinions in a more 'in-your-face' manner. Because this is a public forum however, we should have a basic set of 'rules-of-ettiquete', and I fully support the rules that Bert has established in all parts of the XLForum.

I wonder though if the broad range of discussions that occur here might be served by a very simple 'ratings' system. All threads could start off as 'general' topics threads, and if the discussion becomes more 'spirited', the mods could flag it with an icon as such a 'skull n crossbones'. The basic rules of etiquette should still be enforced, but this would give fair warning to all who enter that the thread's poster's were a bit more 'opinionated' and the discussion was 'spirited'. This would ensure that all members have the opportunity to participate openly in the broadest range of discussions, without having to resort to censorship or stifling members honest input.

The movie and music industries, and their customers, have been well served by a similar system for years.....
.

This is the only forum i have ever chose to take part in after watching a while decided to join in i figure anything worth being a part of is worth supporting financially so i chose to be a team member not for special priveliges just to help keep a good thing going i selected my avitar and sign on to let people know im christian and a pastor i have been welcomed and shown the same respect i show to others if i can offer a word of encouragement i try to do so did not join to try to push my beleifs on others i really enjoy the forum i have learned a few things and enjoy talking about bikes they are a part of my life too really appreciate the folks who helped me learn to post pictures and welcomed me in XL FORUM ROCKS:clap:clap:clap

Check............

I have to admit I was baited by a troll early on with my membership here and I was a little out of line myself.
I was new to forums in general and I fell for it. I chalk it up to experience and I keep that thread in my mind as a mental reminder not to fall for it again.
I'm human, I make mistakes, hopefully I learn enough each time to come out better on the other end.
I try to be helpful and offer information when I can but I'm still polishing my forum etiquette. (and typos too).

Was it this guy?????

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/images2.deviantart.com/i/2004/01/3/3/Baby_Cave_Troll.jpg

I had him locked up last nite....:banana:banana:banana

Was it this guy?????

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/300W/images2.deviantart.com/i/2004/01/3/3/Baby_Cave_Troll.jpg

I had him locked up last nite....:banana:banana:banana

Almost looks like one of my old land ladies....I'm a newbie and a canuck to top it all off...this Forum is great I think,I've been riding since the seventies and I'm still learning stuff..I've had contact with some people here and its always been good..Its like when somebody give's you the bird when you make(I make) a mistake.....smile and wave...I think it makes a biGGER impact then anything else..thats my two cents anyway.

I believe this thread needs a little bump.

"Roger that, Number One."
I know that most members are seldom (if ever) guilty of infractions, but lately I've been feeling that a reminder was in order.

I don't like to "click on the yield sign", but I won't hesitate to do so in future.
We've seen the kind of anarchy and chaos that could destroy this Forum unless some constraints are in place.

Thanks to Bert for being "The Man". :D

Just wondering-- Do the same rules have to apply to the thread about that
Jay Barbarino dude?? :doh:p:rolleyes::o:(:frownone:frownthre

:roflblack

:dunno

Don't spoil our fun... :D

Just wondering-- Do the same rules have to apply to the thread about that
Jay Barbarino dude?? :doh:p:rolleyes::o:(:frownone:frownthre

:roflblack

:dunno

Don't spoil our fun... :D

Name calling, vulgarity, offensiveness, thread hijacks, Is all okay if Bert, KevM or Cantolina are involved...
Just make sure you let him know first or He will be offended

Name calling, vulgarity, offensiveness, thread hijacks, Is all okay if Bert, KevM or Cantolina are involved...
Just make sure you let him know first or He will be offended

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Just play it safe and stay out of the IronHead section!!


hahaha:sofa:chtwo

That may have been good advice at one point, that is what seemed to start a lot of the bruhaha. I'm new to ironheads, and there's a lot of good info in that section. I don't agree with either side on that whole fiasco... but what is the message here? Is it that we as the community are responsible for policing the forum? Or is it the moderators? Because that thread got way out of hand, and nobody did anything about it. Then all of a sudden, it seems like the hammer came down and one side of the whole thing was punished. (silenced, banned, not sure) I see posts referenced that don't exist anymore. Someone posted about it in the ironhead section, and it got moved to General Discussion and thread hijacked... it turned into people posting farting videos. I thought it was a valid, relevant discussion that was particular to the ironhead section... if not the forum rules in general.

Honestly, it makes me a little nervous about posting... because it seems that the forum rules were broken by several people... but the punishment handed out wasn't equal. I just want to know where things stand, and why it *appears* that the hammer came down on one side only. Let's just be honest about it all... there seems to be so much secrecy around it all.

I'm just here to learn about ironhead motorcycles, I really don't care about all the pissing matches that go on. With that extensive knowledge comes some interesting "baggage" and I'm willing to put up with that. Can someone shed some honest light on this for me?

(and my sig is meant in good humor - if you don't get that, then just ignore it)

Geeze, I must not be reading the same threads as you guys....


....I'm missing it! :censor

That may have been good advice at one point, that is what seemed to start a lot of the bruhaha. I'm new to ironheads, and there's a lot of good info in that section. I don't agree with either side on that whole fiasco... but what is the message here? Is it that we as the community are responsible for policing the forum? Or is it the moderators? Because that thread got way out of hand, and nobody did anything about it. Then all of a sudden, it seems like the hammer came down and one side of the whole thing was punished. (silenced, banned, not sure) I see posts referenced that don't exist anymore. Someone posted about it in the ironhead section, and it got moved to General Discussion and thread hijacked... it turned into people posting farting videos. I thought it was a valid, relevant discussion that was particular to the ironhead section... if not the forum rules in general.

Honestly, it makes me a little nervous about posting... because it seems that the forum rules were broken by several people... but the punishment handed out wasn't equal. I just want to know where things stand, and why it *appears* that the hammer came down on one side only. Let's just be honest about it all... there seems to be so much secrecy around it all.

I'm just here to learn about ironhead motorcycles, I really don't care about all the pissing matches that go on. With that extensive knowledge comes some interesting "baggage" and I'm willing to put up with that. Can someone shed some honest light on this for me?

(and my sig is meant in good humor - if you don't get that, then just ignore it)

Just follow the forum guidelines and you will not have to be nervous or concerned about what you post. Start trolling, posting with the sole intent of creating conflict , name calling, threating other with physical harm and you will be banning your self and causing your posts to be deleted.

The thread you are referring to was a trolling thread. The person did not like that another person was restricted from posting on XLF so they took it upon themselves to strike out on their own personnel vendetta.

Just follow the forum guidelines and you will not have to be nervous or concerned about what you post. Start trolling, posting with the sole intent of creating conflict , name calling, threating other with physical harm and you will be banning your self and causing your posts to be deleted.


That's all good advice, and I don't do those things. My concern is that the punishment seemed to be one-sided. Punishment WAS warranted, but certainly not limited to those who received it. As the moderator of that forum repeatedly stated, it isn't the sole fault of those who start the fire, but those who throw gasoline on it. Several people were standing around with their wieners in one hand and a gas can in the other. IMO, the flaming WAS started by those who were banned, but it was in reaction to very poor forum netiquette.

The thread you are referring to was a trolling thread. The person did not like that another person was restricted from posting on XLF so they took it upon themselves to strike out on their own personnel vendetta.
I honestly didn't see it as that. I saw it as "WTF is going on?" because all of a sudden highly visible (to put it nicely) members of our forum were gone. That wasn't a huge surprise, to be honest. But then any reference to it was deleted as well. I suppose you could argue that it was to quell the fire. But then people were reprimanded for having a signature with certain words in it. (I dare not use them here, lest I be chastised as well) Posts simply deleted without warnings. It seems really quiet over there, and I noticed that some people are gone... not sure if it was voluntary or not.

Everything just seemed to go over the top in response to the flamewar. Quite honestly, I've seen a lot worse over the years. Hell, two of the people involved had a knock-down-drag-out just a few weeks ago... and they seemed to get over it just fine and actually seem to be buds now.

Your forum, your rules. And I completely agree with the fact that the rules need to be followed or else. (see my responses in the aforementioned "trolling thread") And if one of the rules is "shut up and stop asking questions of the forum leaders" then I'll gladly abide by that.

Yeah, I understand that you do not troll.

I do not publicly reprimand XLF members. Reprimands are given out as infractions or warnings and are done privately though some reprimands, such as being banned, are visible.

You are right, it was not a surprise that certain people were suddenly gone and their posts or threads removed. But apparently is was a surprise to some since they felt the need to continue the battle by creating new threads due to their displeasure that a member was no longer here.

Yup, there will be times when posts or entire threads are deleted. Sometimes a thread can be cleaned up as Mick and other moderators have done in the past in order to save the thread. Unfortunately some threads can not be saved.

Signatures were deleted because they had links in them, while some may not agree with, is not in line with the forum guidelines.

Sure I overlook some links like links to a person MySpace page.

I can't make everyone happy. I just try to look at the big picture and do what is right for the entire XLF community instead of just one person or a small group of people.

Well, Bert, speaking as someone who is usually clueless, and I usually ignore idiotic behavior, I have no idea of who or why. Not important enough to keep lunch off the table.

As for the forum: well, I'd get withdrawal symptoms if it was gone. And you'd have to chase me off with an XR1200 to keep me away, temporarily.

Thanks for all your work, and patience too I'll warrant.