HOLY CRAP - the rumors and recently leaked photo of a new prototype Sporty are true! (I think).

Looky here

XR1200R



http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/Show/2006_Cologne_Intermot.htm

aluminum swingarm, upsidedown boingers on the front, downdraft fuel injection 90hp or so. if the exhaust was not so damn ugly along with the whole gastank/air intake thing, I'd consider it. that, and the front fender needs to be lower on the tire.



http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Harley-Davidson/H-D_XR1200_Proto-028r.jpg

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Harley-Davidson/H-D_XR1200_Proto-030r.jpg

More from Raptors...

We have just attended the first press conference at the 2006 Intermot in Cologne. Harley-Davidson showed a new XR 1200 based on the air-cooled Sportster 1200 engine. New is down draft fuel injection, chassis, sporty pipes and loads of ground clearance. performance are between 85-90bhp and around 75ftlb according to Harley-Davidson. The bike also gets an electronically controlled active air intake system. All in ode to the XR 750 flat tracker. More info later.

I like it!

ohhhhhhhhhhh BABY!

That is SWEET!

Where do I sign?

I actually like the new look. It has the cafe style many are looking for. I will have to keep my eye on it and who knows, the next deployment I might end up getting another bike for the stable.:banadanc

looks pretty sweet to me.

I will be the first decenter and say the backend is ugly. Don't like the seat section. It is toooooooo blocky and looks a lot like a mid 90's speed triple backend. Hate it.

I'll admit that when I saw the spy shots last week, the backend was my lease favorite part. But I'm not sure stylisitcally how one would clean that up.

I think I could live with it.

But I'm anxiously awaiting more pics and info.

I'll say this, I'm MUCH more excited about this than I was the XL 50 "paint n' badges" edition.


Kev

Oh man, it's taken from the classic XR flattrackers. I LOVE the tailpiece, the upswept exhaust, reasets, and inverted fork.

If this is true, I think she'll be a real hit with the cafe' crowd.

MAAAN! LOOK AT THAT M0%437?*3R !!:banadanc :banana
I'd love to have one. I wonder what the bore and stroke is?! Imagine a 4in bore and a 3in. stroke, still 1200cc's or so and it has the ability to wrap up tight, so tit would seem feasable toget 75 ftlbs of torque and possibly more than 90hp! The damn thing looks light like around 400-450. Ireckon its more based on the Buell engine than a new bore and stroke.:banana I twould stand to reckon HD would move a bit forward after the 50th anniversary. who knows when it'll be out.

They do that gal up all in black and I'm wantin' one...


:D

super-sweet. Is that a Buell front end or all new just for the Sporty

MAAAN! LOOK AT THAT M0%437?*3R !!:banadanc :banana
I'd love to have one. I wonder what the bore and stroke is?! Imagine a 4in bore and a 3in. stroke, still 1200cc's or so and it has the ability to wrap up tight, so tit would seem feasable toget 75 ftlbs of torque and possibly more than 90hp! The damn thing looks light like around 400-450. Ireckon its more based on the Buell engine than a new bore and stroke.:banana I twould stand to reckon HD would move a bit forward after the 50th anniversary. who knows when it'll be out.

The intial report from Raptors (and I'd assume that was from an HD press release) was this is based on the 1200R Sporty motor, though it does sound like it is Buell related when you listen to the description.

Unless Harley is showing it at INTERMOT as a "concept" then it should be a 2007 model.

But I'll wait to see something on the HD website to know for sure.

Kev

This is the way FI should have been done in the first instance - ram air, downdraft throttle bodies, and probably twin spark (can't tell but looks like it from picture). I hope they eventually work the system into the entire sporty line-up. I like the classic style of the current models, but want THIS engine powering them.

Hate it. If you want that look, buy a Buell. It looks cheap and plastic. pass

Damn!

I was happy with my bike. Why'd you have to go and post that link, now I want one! I really like the look of the air intake, and the exhaust system.

Neat! I don't like the rear end treatment or the pipes (a two-into-one would have been sweet), but just the fact that they are considering it is very encouraging. It doesn't look comfortable, even for short rides. Long live the Sportster!
DougT

Looks like a GD Rice Rocket.....I'll keep my Sporty....at least it looks like a Harley!....Guess my next purchase will be a big twin...so long Sporty...after 50 years someone f:censord you up!:eek::buddies:spank

Looks like a GD Rice Rocket.....I'll keep my Sporty....at least it looks like a Harley!....Guess my next purchase will be a big twin...so long Sporty...after 50 years someone

JEEEEZ, no-one said the current models are going away.

RELAX

This is being unveiled as another model, "XR1200"

Wait and see

Interesting.

Thanks Kev for the pics and info. I like the forks and the general idea and wonder what bolt on stuff the MO CO will offer. It sure is a step in the right direction. Also hope the weight is down and not up.

That is the hottest looking HD since the XLCR or XR1000. Let's hope that baby makes it to production with enough power to back up it's looks.

Whatta ya figure on a price tag? $12000?

Not exactly my cup of java, but I think it's a nice looking bike. Would LOVE to see one up close.

Whatta ya figure on a price tag? $12000?

NAHHHHHHHHHH, I don't think so, not with Buell's selling (for the most part) at a lot less.

I'm thinking (hoping) $9500?

What I'd like is a bike that looks like mine and runs like a VRod :banana

That seat and tail section look awful.

I think this is exactly what the sportster lineup needs. You go anywhere except this forum and tell other sportbike riders that you ride a sporty and you get laughed at by those who ride F'n Kawi's, Suzukis, and even Hondas. The most popular perception of Harley are overpriced, underpowered, prone to breakdowns and that sportsters are the runt of the litter. How much money, time and sweat do we put into our bikes to try to help them keep up with the others? It's a sad state when a new rider is asking about getting a sportbike and no one can recommend an American one. If Harley wants to get a model of sportster with looks, power, handling and some new tech, I say it's about fricken time!

OK-rant over. And yes, I do feel better now.

Thank god water isn't involved.

:spineyes <--- This is me running out to get one. I'm foaming at the mouth now

I think this is exactly what the sportster lineup needs. You go anywhere except this forum and tell other sportbike riders that you ride a sporty and you get laughed at by those who ride F'n Kawi's, Suzukis, and even Hondas. The most popular perception of Harley are overpriced, underpowered, prone to breakdowns and that sportsters are the runt of the litter. How much money, time and sweat do we put into our bikes to try to help them keep up with the others? It's a sad state when a new rider is asking about getting a sportbike and no one can recommend an American one. If Harley wants to get a model of sportster with looks, power, handling and some new tech, I say it's about fricken time!

OK-rant over. And yes, I do feel better now.

Well, though I think this is cool, I wouldn't want it to REPLACE the current Sporty, not from a visual standpoint.

I don't give a crap if there are ignorant people out there who complain about sportys being slow, overpriced or unreliable, because I know better.

And no-one who rides a 800 or 1200cc Kaw, Zuki or Honda CRUISER "laughs" at em, unless they are ignorant of em too.

AND, IF I want to recommend an American SPORT BIKE, I already can, it's called a Buell.

This model looks like it could bridge the gap a little. Certainly the performance numbers should be there, ESPECIALLY if she is a lighter than the rubbermounts.

But I don't want to see it REPLACE em.


Either way, what BTkicker said, "thank god water isn't involved"

Kev

Did anyone else notice that there is no noise cone/point cover?

My guess is they(Harley) felt they needed to release this prototype to counter the claims made in cycle world about the water cool sportster.

I like the performance aspect of this bike, but the styling doesn't do it for me. Anyways, I certainly hope it makes it to production. I'd like to see what NRHS could do to that motor :smoke

I better stop spending $$$$ on mine right now, because I'm gonna need to trade !!!!!

Did anyone else notice that there is no noise cone/point cover?

My guess is they(Harley) felt they needed to release nthis prototype to counter the clames made in cycle world about the water cool sportster.

I noticed it doesn't have forward controls. :roflblack

JB

Did anyone else notice that there is no noise cone/point cover?

My guess is they(Harley) felt they needed to release nthis prototype to counter the clames made in cycle world about the water cool sportster.


Ya know, the more I look at it and think about that photochop, I think THIS is what that guy saw and the mag tried to recreate with a photochop.

The tank, overall lines, that aluminum swingarm, even the motor, whose case and jugs/heads look a bit different from the current sportys. I can see from where the concept for the chop came.

I noticed it doesn't have forward controls. :roflblack

JB

They'll have a Fully Chromed set available I'm sure !!!!!!!!!!:doh :smoke

I like everything about it. I'll take one, in all black of course.

Hate it. If you want that look, buy a Buell. It looks cheap and plastic. pass

Huh? It doesn't look ANYTHING like a Buell. :rolleyes:


Bart

Huh? It doesn't look ANYTHING like a Buell. :rolleyes:


Bart


Aw come-on, you don't think that looks like the product of a City-X raping an 883R? :wonderlan

Aw come-on, you don't think that looks like the product of a City-X raping an 883R? :wonderlan

Umm, no, not really :laugh

What's with the rear rocker box cover btw?


Bart

If you don't like the pipes it probably won't be long before there's an aftermarket 2 into 1 that's lighter and not only looks better but also liberates a bit more power.

I like it, if it goes and handles as well as it looks like it should I want one.

VERY interesting...

Not sure if I'd buy one the first year out (especially since I'll still be paying on my '06) but it would be something to consider later on down the road...

It's cool looking (except the pipes), but not my cup o' joe. At least it isn't water cooled.......yet :).

All youze guys thankin' the lord it doesn't have a radiator. I got over that 25 years ago when the hung 'em on dirtbikes. It was sure a good trade off if you're into HP.

I'd love to have a Sportster with a V-Rod engine. Might not be quite the bike that an FZ1 is, but close enough to rock and roll!

Can't stop looking at those pics. Can't really believe HD would make it. Unless it was grossly underpowered.

Ya know, the more I look at it and think about that photochop, I think THIS is what that guy saw and the mag tried to recreate with a photochop.

The tank, overall lines, that aluminum swingarm, even the motor, whose case and jugs/heads look a bit different from the current sportys. I can see from where the concept for the chop came.

I was thinking the same thing! Notice the "Sportster" on the cover? I thought it was odd when the first rumor/photochop went around that engraved cover was part of the description. Now we see the bike, we can see where the guy was coming from.

All I want to know is when I can get that front end. :clap

I don't necessarily want one, but I like it. I'm not willing to give up my forward controls but THAT bike would definately put the SPORT back into Sportster.:D

put the SPORT back into Sportster.
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Ya reckon thats wat HD 's tryin to do? Maybe The MoCo is tired of the rap, somethin t bride the gap b'tween cruiser & sportbike. Now days the Spoty is a retro bike of sorts and always kinda will be. This XR would be a nice new addition.

U-G-L-Y That is one of the ugliest bikes ever.looks like a cheap plastic immataion no thanks!!!!!!!!!

Looks like a GD Rice Rocket.....I'll keep my Sporty....at least it looks like a Harley!....Guess my next purchase will be a big twin...so long Sporty...after 50 years someone f:censord you up!:eek::buddies:spank


Have some of you guys NEVER seen an XR750?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/SportsterGirl1/Alloy_XR750.jpg

I think the prototype is very reminiscent of the old XR...


http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Harley-Davidson/H-D_XR1200_Proto-028r.jpg

WOW, this ones coooool :D

Have some of you guys NEVER seen an XR750?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/SportsterGirl1/Alloy_XR750.jpg
I think the prototype is very reminiscent of the old XR...
http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Harley-Davidson/H-D_XR1200_Proto-028r.jpg

wow, good point.

he he you said (tit)!!

I would pick that thing up the day it comes out!! about time the Sportster adds some sport to it!!! I am sure it will piss off some loyalists who still think H-D should have flat heads, please alot of people who think that H-D is just slow heavy bikes. Hopefully it will make Honda Etc pay attention!!!

Ya reckon thats wat HD 's tryin to do? Maybe The MoCo is tired of the rap, somethin t bride the gap b'tween cruiser & sportbike. Now days the Spoty is a retro bike of sorts and always kinda will be. This XR would be a nice new addition.

I'd have to guess it's a few things. All of which are overdue and as usual, the MoCo is slow to respond. One thing you can say with certainty is that Harley Davidson isn't exactly a risk taker :D

One, is the huge trend the past few years for naked bikes. Everyone is making a naked bike from BMW to Ducati. They are huge sellers. We've had many discussions on this forum about the Sporty having the potential to be HD's naked bike. Ala Mert Lawwill, Storz, and as Mel so rightfully pointed out, the XR's of yesterday.

Two, is the burgeoning but healthy trend to retro models. Ducati and Triumph come to mind. Pretty much HD's entire line-up is retro to some degree though. :laugh But seriously, the Softtail line has more retro-inspired models than any manufacturer out there and this year they brought ut some retro paint. HD has always known their core customers like a certain style and haven't waivered on it too much or at least too radically.

Three, the Buells and VRods are not attracting enough younger buyers and HD needs to get them in the door. They will become tomorrows EG and Heritage owners but they have to get them hooked on the brand first. And that first requires overcoming the sterotype and to do that you need a quality, hip, performance-riented (and delivering) product.

Four, the old guard at HD has to be slowly getting replaced by new and fresh thinkers. And there is no doubt in my mind that Willie G., no matter how old or long a there, is welcoming it 1000%. He's an artist and a dreamer first.

If this bike comes to pass and performs well it should do well as I think it fits many of the bills I mentioned.

HD needs to breath some life into the line-up. I mean how many Softtail models do they need? I welcomed the VRod even when those around me (old bikers) shunned it. And I lust over the Uly even when those around me (old bikers) said it was ugly and stupid. And I will drool over this bike even when those around me (old bikers) are shaking their heads and calling me weird. :D I'm in no hurry to see air cooled v-twins and the bsae HD line-up change or fade away. But I do welcome choices and doing different things. That is how a company survives.

Oh, and look for a factory produced EG trike to come out soon. But that's another discussion.

And just to back up Mel on the XR, here's another factory produced XR750. One I ran into at a rally. That's a KR power plant. The base of which is from like, ya know, 50 years ago.

http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/medium/xr750.jpg

And Mert Lawwill's Street Tracker:
http://www.mertlawwill.com/images/ST_main.jpg

And the Storz XR conversion kit bike:
http://www.storzperf.com/images/XR-1200lr.jpg

I'd have to guess it's a few things. All of which are overdue and as usual, the MoCo is slow to respond. One thing you can say with certainty is that Harley Davidson isn't exactly a risk taker.

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¿ W H A T ?

¿Employee buyout isn't taking a risk?

¿Buying a minority interest in Buell isn't taking a risk?

¿The V-Rod isn't taking a risk?

¿All the marketing crap Harley does isn't risky business?

Maybe I'm fooling myself in appreciating all the risk the MoCo has taken to survive 100 plus years to what is known as today's Harley-Davidson Motor Company.

JB

¿ W H A T ?

¿Employee buyout isn't taking a risk?

¿Buying a minority interest in Buell isn't taking a risk?

¿The V-Rod isn't taking a risk?

¿All the marketing crap Harley does isn't risky business?

Maybe I'm fooling myself in appreciating all the risk the MoCo has taken to survive 100 plus years to what is known as today's Harley-Davidson Motor Company.

JB

Well, I'll give ya that Jesse. I was meaning more about their decisions to step into "new" trends. I mean they were a bit behind on the wide tire options, bigger motors, 6-speeds, etc. HD likes to give everything a very thorough going over before they make a change.

Upon further review.........I'll take my motor blacked out too !!!!!

:censor Hexx no it looks like Buell. Not HARLEY-DAVIDSON SPORSTER. Not for me.

HD likes to give everything a very thorough going over before they make a change.

Yeah, like that push and turn oil cap on the rubber mounts.:roflblack




Sorry Erik, I just had to. :buddies

:censor Hexx no it looks like Buell. Not HARLEY-DAVIDSON SPORSTER. Not for me.

I don't get the Buell comparisons that have been made. I don't see it.

And it won't be a Harley Davidson SPORTSTER. XR's never were. They pulled heavily from Sporty's basic design and components but they were a seperate and distinct bike. Completely different frames. It isn't meant to be a Sportster, it is meant to be an XR.

Yeah, like that push and turn oil cap on the rubber mounts.:roflblack




Sorry Erik, I just had to. :buddies

:laugh

Now there's something they should have spent more time on!

I like the looks of the bike overall, very nice, just hope that it's NOT a European model cause they are into the streetfighter/naked bike look and cause it was debuted in Germany instead of the US of A.:clap at the annual dealer show like they do for all new models. Hopefully we'll see it on the streets of America.

I don't get the Buell comparisons that have been made. I don't see it.

And it won't be a Harley Davidson SPORTSTER. XR's never were. They pulled heavily from Sporty's basic design and components but they were a seperate and distinct bike. Completely different frames. It isn't meant to be a Sportster, it is meant to be an XR.


What GOTWA said. You guys who think it doesn't look like a Harley obviously never followed HD's glory days on the dirt tracks.

Oh, and Evel Kneivel rode an XR too.

Not all HD's are supposed to look like Softail Deluxe's....

I'd buy one in a heart beat! That is just too cool!;)

I like the looks of the bike overall, very nice, just hope that it's NOT a European model cause they are into the streetfighter/naked bike look and cause it was debuted in Germany instead of the US of A at the annual dealer show like they do for all new models. Hopefully we'll see it on the streets of America.

¿What's up with that? Cologne.

JB

Nice bike..... It probably weighs considerably less than a rubber-mount along with having a fair amout more power= fun! It looks like it would be a hoot to ride.

Would I trade my 1200R for it? I don't know, but I wouldn't mind having one in addition to my Roadster.

Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the pipes are actually a 2 into 1 into 2 design ala VRod....

It everything I wish my Sportster was... but now I am a Bueller. :) H-D you are too late!!! (Damn , that is sweet, though)

--Sean

Have some of you guys NEVER seen an XR750?

I think the prototype is very reminiscent of the old XR...

I'm with SG...this is classic HD. It will be just like the V-Rod...it will bring in a whole new set of riders, it will make some people really happy, and other will absolutely hate it.

I'm one in the really happy group....I've been hoping that they would create this very bike for quite some time...I just hope that it's real and that they can keep the weight down!!!!

:banana

Not sure if this has been posted on here, but here is an article on a Harley XR1200 - kind of a mix between flat tracker and cafe bike. I'd sure buy one if it was in the right price range. Too much and I'd lean towards a Buell Ulysses....

www.raptorsandrockets.com/Show/2006_Cologne_Intermot.htm

System won't let me put a hyperlink in my post since I don't have enough postings.... sorry.

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Harley-Davidson/H-D_XR1200_Proto-028r.jpg





(This post and the 2 that follow were merged with this existing thread. --SG)

So, if I relply to my post I think I'll have enough postings...

Damn!, Now my keyboard is all sticky.:shhhh

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Harley-Davidson/H-D_XR1200_Proto-028r.jpg

Folks, this bike is just fuggin' hot!

I like it. Lots. May consider trading up if it materializes at a reasonable price.

it makes me think of flat tracks and sliding around corners sideways.
i bet i could find time to ride one

This bike is way cool! In my mind this is what a Sportster should be!:banana I just hope that they lose the rubber mounts. If so, I will buy!

...I just hope that they lose the rubber mounts.

Why? :dunno

I'm lovin' it!

Why? :dunno

In my opinion, rubber mounts are a band-aid to a problem that doesn't exist. The only rubber that I want in my suspension is the tires.

In my opinion, rubber mounts are a band-aid to a problem that doesn't exist. The only rubber that I want in my suspension is the tires.

Never understood all the hub-bub about rubber mounting the Sporty. I mean it isn't exactly new. Erik Buell designed the first rubber-mounted HD engine over 20 years ago on the FXR. I think that was the first anyway. I know the rubber mounts on my BIL's '88 FXR are still holding up well so that shouldn't be an issue.

I don't want to open the old rigid vs. rubber debate but I think it is pretty safe to say that rubber mounting has proved itself for it's inteded purpose.

I love the concept, but hate, hate, hate the rear end.

It all depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for a baby BT, then keep the rubber mount and the extra 50 lbs it adds to an already heavy bike. I just don't see the need.

It all depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for a baby BT, then keep the rubber mount and the extra 50 lbs it adds to an already heavy bike. I just don't see the need.

Rubber mounting didn't add 50lbs. A complete frame redesign, wider rear tire, etc. Added 50lbs.

Rubber mounting didn't add 50lbs. A complete frame redesign, wider rear tire, etc. Added 50lbs.

Whatever. Why do you think they redesigned the frame? I suppose the rubber bushings in the swing arm helps handling too?:rolleyes:

Whatever. Why do you think they redesigned the frame? I suppose the rubber bushings in the swing arm helps handling too?:rolleyes:

Rubber mounting wasn't the only reason they redesigned the frame. They were also seeking to enlarge the bike in length and width. I'm not trying to argue with you. You don't like it fine. I just don't see it as the pitfall it is made out to be.

Rubber mounting wasn't the only reason they redesigned the frame. They were also seeking to enlarge the bike in length and width. I'm not trying to argue with you. You don't like it fine. I just don't see it as the pitfall it is made out to be.


I'm not out to aegue with you either. :clap I see this bike as filling a whole in the HD line up. You like the rubber mount. Cool! I don't! If they build this bike, I hope that they build it as a modern day 1200 XR.

I'm not out to aegue with you either. :clap I see this bike as filling a whole in the HD line up. You like the rubber mount. Cool! I don't! If they build this bike, I hope that they build it as a modern day 1200 XR.

Looking at the pics, it appears it is rubber mounted.

I agree 100% with you there though. I think it is a definate keeper, rigid or rubber.

:cheers

I would never buy it,if I wanted a crotch-rocket I would buy a Kawi.But if putting this in production would add more riders to H-D then go for it.And if R&D makes some upgrades to the motor then maybe it would trickle over to the Sporty's that we all love,right!

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Harley-Davidson/H-D_XR1200_Proto-028r.jpg



The rear end is dam Uglyyyyyyyyyy!
The exhaust is dam Uglyyyyyyyyyy!


The idea is cool, but somebody kick out the designer! Looks like a
jap design.


If they change this uglyest things... I will consider not to think in a buell.

I love the specs. I can live with the style. I may actually consider adding this to the garage depending on how much they will sell for and if they don't weigh too much.

I'd buy one in a heart beat! That is just too cool!;)
Must be a Whoosier thing:laugh OR maybe we've seen the Bad Boys run on the Indy Mile and appreciate THIS bike.

Maybe we can swing a "buddy" deal and get a pair:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

If they change this uglyest things... I will consider not to think in a buell.

What, exactly, does this sentence mean? :dunno

What, exactly, does this sentence mean? :dunno

:D :D :D

Uh hum...okay I'm better now.

As far as styling a dirt tracker, I think Storz did a better job and the original XR 750 still looks way better. This is not my type of bike so I will just comment on the engine design. I don't like the gear case covers and rocker box design. Hope they don't put those on the Sportsters. Wish there was a shot of the other side to comment. But thumbs up on the increased HP's and TQ's. I would love to see that type of performance out of the box for the Sporty's. For this kind of performance I would rather go with a Buell.

Fugly fugly fugly.

Simply fugly...http://homepage.mac.com/dagruber/.Pictures/screwy.gif

Now, I wave at everybody on two wheels, but after seeing that hideous thing, I may have to revise my policy :roflblack

I think Storz did a better job



You are right!

Fugly fugly fugly.

Simply fugly...http://homepage.mac.com/dagruber/.Pictures/screwy.gif

Now, I wave at everybody on two wheels, but after seeing that hideous thing, I may have to revise my policy :roflblack
:nocomment :nocomment :banana :p

As far as styling a dirt tracker, I think Storz did a better job and the original XR 750 still looks way better. Wish there was a shot of the other side to comment. But thumbs up on the increased HP's and TQ's.
No doubt....but Man $25K large:doh
I'm not liken those pipes.....but change those:clap :banana :clap :banadanc

Wow! I can't believe all the negative remarks about this bike. I can see now, why the MOCO quit making the 1200S.

[QUOTE=Sportster GirlI think she'll be a real hit with the cafe' crowd.[/QUOTE]

I hope it goes over better than the Cafe Racers of the late 70's Or else the 2010 models will be the bastard years like the 79's. Id ride it, but I like the old school.

So where can you attach the saddlebags? :laugh

Seriously though, that bike does not have the characteristics that led me to by a Sportster. If I wanted a kick ass dirt bike then I might consider it. Right now I have no interest in purchasing a dirt bike. Looks like I would need to get new tires to use it that way too.

I hope it is lighter and the suspension is more Buell like, because it would then be more than just another pretty face. Please HD get it as light as possible.

I think this is exactly what the sportster lineup needs. You go anywhere except this forum and tell other sportbike riders that you ride a sporty and you get laughed at by those who ride F'n Kawi's, Suzukis, and even Hondas. The most popular perception of Harley are overpriced, underpowered, prone to breakdowns and that sportsters are the runt of the litter. How much money, time and sweat do we put into our bikes to try to help them keep up with the others? It's a sad state when a new rider is asking about getting a sportbike and no one can recommend an American one. If Harley wants to get a model of sportster with looks, power, handling and some new tech, I say it's about fricken time!

OK-rant over. And yes, I do feel better now.
:banana :clap :banana :clap :banana :clap :banana :clap :banana :clap :banana :clap :banana
I am with ya

Must be a Whoosier thing:laugh OR maybe we've seen the Bad Boys run on the Indy Mile and appreciate THIS bike.

Maybe we can swing a "buddy" deal and get a pair:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
Sounds like a plan! I can't see how anyone could not like it.:doh

Hey!Thats what the 50th anniversary model should've been like!

Hey!Thats what the 50th anniversary model should've been like!
+1:clap ;)

Pretty cool looking bike. Maybe this for a HD version of a crotch rocket and a BT for touring.

i just saw my next bike!!! i want it.

What, exactly, does this sentence mean? :dunno


Means... if they change this ugly things of the bike and make it look
more like storz bike, or the original XR750... And is a big power bike...
Dam... is my next bike.

I hope it comes in some other color. I'd like to have those wheels. Maybe they could lose the padding on the back. It would be nice to get over 100hp like the Buell.. I guess they're going for the folks that like the Triumph Scrambler look..

ME LIKEY!!!

*Decides to start saving money*

I HATE HATE HATE the upswept exhaust....

That's my FIRST impression....

I don't like it!

They should have just come out with a Screamin' Eagle version.

Butt end looks like a ricer, exhaust looks like crap. Don't like the forks or wheels.

I'm a little more traditional I guess. If you all like it that's cool. Just does not do a thing for me.

I sort of like it...But not enough to spend the $$ on a new one....One thing for sure..My wife would NEVER ride on the back of that bike.....

I Like it!
But, I'd LOVE to put that Swingarm and front end on my '06 1200R, That'd be Sweet!
At ebay prices, of course, not H-D over the counter prices.
And the pipes are sweet, but would be better as 2 into 1's for both appearance and weight savings.

The more I look at those pipes the faster I would ditch them, but that's what we do anyway. Sure would be nice to have in the line up though. I'd love to see what some of you guys could do with one to make it look different and go faster. And some fancy paint jobs too.

This bike is way cool! In my mind this is what a Sportster should be! I just hope that they lose the rubber mounts. If so, I will buy!

The MoCo should have rubber mounted the Sportster years ago; even before the FXR. If this new XR 1200 is not rubber mounted, you can have it. Embrace the technology, rubber mount is the way to go.

JB

its rubber mounted, you can tell just from lookin at it in the picture.

I was not about to read 12 pages of OOOHS and AAAHS. This is obviously the ROADSTER version. It will be real easy for the factory to change the needed parts and sell the Custom and Low also.

I was not about to read 12 pages of OOOHS and AAAHS. This is obviously the ROADSTER version. It will be real easy for the factory to change the needed parts and sell the Custom and Low also.

This isnt the "roadster"

this is the XR1200, its reminscent of the old dirt track bikes.

Say what you like but Harley is doing something unique. There were tons of request for cafe racer's and xr750's and now they do it and you don't seem very excited. In that case, can you really blame them that they are reluctant to sell these types of bikes or try new things? I for one am really starting to like it. If it weights less than 500 lbs I may buy one depending on the price. It's a nice package of performance, handling, and brakes. At least that what it appears to be. I guess we won't really know until the specs come out and people start buying them.

Say what you like but Harley is doing something unique. There were tons of request for cafe racer's and xr750's and now they do it and you don't seem very excited. In that case, can you really blame them that they are reluctant to sell these types of bikes or try new things? I for one am really starting to like it. If it weights less than 500 lbs I may buy one depending on the price. It's a nice package of performance, handling, and brakes. At least that what it appears to be. I guess we won't really know until the specs come out and people start buying them.

I dont think its so much people complaining, as its a love it or hate it kind of style, by the looks of it people are about 50/50 on what they think of this bike.

I like the idea of:

buell front end with inverted forks
adjustable suspension
100HP engine like a buell
light weight wheels and good brakes
Black engine would be cool and other color options.
Hope the bike can get lowered if you like with some aftermarket parts.
Free mantenance belt like buell


I don't like the transmission sprocket cover, exhaust, rear end...

There was a truckload of Buell's going east.
Meanwhile there was a truckload of Sportsters going west.

I'm going to wait until I see HD specs and pics on the HD website, a third party road review and my own eyeballs on it at the dealer before passing opinion.

BUT, I can say on initial thought -- if they are trying to scratch to some racing/street fighter itch -- at this time, I'd rather itch that with a night rod or a street rod.

This is rapidly becoming infamous!!!! I like the new direction of the Sportster, would have it in white, also how much gas does it hold? I like the right side of the motor, looking at my dad's 57 it has the same rib design but the Sportster logo is on the primary. the nosecone thing is over, its all ran off notches in the crank like cars have had for 20+ years. The exhaust is the only bad thing on this bike. just put on a "real" 2-1 or even 2-2, (please no staggered dual drag pipes!!!) and not the back end in not ugly, look at a XLCR thats the same backsection, you want ugly look at the boattail of a 70 Superglide or Sportster.

....now does that bike have bplinson written all over it or what.......you don't suppose he...........................
nah................. He wouldn't do that to us again...or







would he? :shhhh

I likes it! :banadanc

OH MY GOD! That has got to be one of the sweetest things I have ever seen! :banarock

....now does that bike have bplinson written all over it or what.......you don't suppose he...........................
nah................. He wouldn't do that to us again...or







would he? :shhhh



if he is behind this ill kick him in the t**nt

nah kinda hard to photoshop a object in motion, the static pic could be rigged but the pic with the lucky ass guy rounding that curve would be pretty hard to fake. Hopefully they will price it in the range of the current sportys.

that COULDN'T be a photo shop. Its nice and clean lookin, the more i look at that exhaust, the less i hate it surprisingly.

I've loved the XR look from the very beginning and this is a welcomed bike IMO. I'm still hanging on to my sporty and doing my own XR homage conversion but if I was buying a new bike this would be it.

Can't wait to see it in the flesh. Aloha, chieftd

I love it. It's oddball.

Buell called, they want thier bike back.

Adios

P.S.

I like Buells and I would ride it!

Adios...again

I like the look, too :tour I'm pretty much past the "go fast" stage in my life (there is an occasional lapse :wonderlan ), but I think this is a nice approach by HD to give the more traditional v-twin crowd (as opposed to the V-rod) a go fast option with nice factory performance upgrades. I look forward to checking it out...

This thread is begging for a "love it, hate it" poll !!!

....now does that bike have bplinson written all over it or what.......you don't suppose he...........................
nah................. He wouldn't do that to us again...or







would he? :shhhh

Nope this is a real photo. I just wish I had know about the show in Koln (Cologne). I only live like 90 minutes from there. One thing that bothers mer about the sorry on that Rators website is IF HD unvieled this bike at the show and Raptors people were there then why do they not have show photos of the bike? The photos they show on their website are something HD would put out for a press release.

Great Looking Bike what ever the make.

Nope this is a real photo. I just wish I had know about the show in Koln (Cologne). I only live like 90 minutes from there. One thing that bothers mer about the sorry on that Rators website is IF HD unvieled this bike at the show and Raptors people were there then why do they not have show photos of the bike? The photos they show on their website are something HD would put out for a press release.

Bert, I believe that the show (Intermot) runs from the 11th-15th...

The Storz bike looks hot to me -- not my particular riding style, but everything works. This XR prototype looks like it's not sure what it wants to be. Maybe if there wasn't a mile high gap between the fender and rear wheel and the exhaust were changed, it would come together better.

If the MoCo was thinking about returning the Sporty lineup to its roots, that might not be a bad thing. There is a fair amount of overlap between the lines stylistically. I know a lot of you guys have a hard-on for this bike, so I hope they make it for ya. :laugh

One thing tho'...shouldn't this thread be moved to the Buell forums? :roflblack :roflblack :roflblack :roflblack

Bert, I believe that the show (Intermot) runs from the 11th-15th...
There you go Bert...you need to go....tomorow....with cameras
and take LOTS of detailed pictures! :laugh

..to those that say this looks like a Buell...I'm wondering...have you ever seen a Buell?????? :laugh :laugh :laugh j/k but sorry but to me it just doesn't look anything like one :D I do think that this bike with Bert's new SSR 2:1

.

Bet this one could steal some customers from Buell...
Love it :)

Didn't read all 15 pages in this thread.......

Somebody tell me or guess what's inside that black box under the gas tank.
I'm guessing the air box and ign stuff. Looks clean in the photo but not
sure how the engine lines are effected in person.

Thanks
:tour

Don't like it at all. A Harley is a Harley. This new model looks like a naked crotch Rocket. Harleys are classics (the look, the style, and the appeal). Why mess with the best, If you want something like that go by the rest.

I don't get the Buell comparisons that have been made. I don't see it.

And it won't be a Harley Davidson SPORTSTER. XR's never were. They pulled heavily from Sporty's basic design and components but they were a seperate and distinct bike. Completely different frames. It isn't meant to be a Sportster, it is meant to be an XR.


Good point

as were the rest of em.

Even the risk taking thing.

From any other company the V-Rod would not have even been considered a risk. But with Harley's ultra-conservative customer base, I guess it was. But it was also a necessary thinking 10-20 years ahead.

K

It seems to me that we all have different tastes in bikes. I liked the look of the XLCR and much later the other forgotten XR clone, the XL883R (in orange again with 2 into 1).

Didn't we all buy Sportsters to make them our own and not the same as the kids next door?

Cheers
No Idea

OK, I had about 7 pages of catch-up to do this morning.

Some thoughts -

- Storz is nice and all that, and his kit does shave some weight from the porky-rubbers, I THINK I remember it brakes em into the high 400's. But as someone said, for a price of something like $25k, so not realisitic.

If HD markets this at a 1200 sporty price tag, it is different enough that I could justify owning one in addition to the Sporty. Heck, I was already toying with a Buell or Ducati in a year or two, so I can add this to the potential mix.

Bert - the Raptors sight said the guy was going to the pre-show press-conferences. We don't know for sure if the actual bike is at the show yet. Even if so, the dork forgot his USB cable and some other stuff and said he couldn't post pics or something (at least that's what the blog said yesterday), but he does seem to be getting press release photos on the site so who knows.

I guess we'll here more when the show officially opens.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised by the reaction here, seems that at least 50% like it. That's gotta be a WAY warmer reception than say the XLCR ever got.

If they market it, I could see them doing so under the Sportster line, in addition to the current models, the key being the "X" first letter denoting the powertrain. I certainly can't see them coming up with a whole new category supported only by this bike.

I'm cautiously optimistic and I kinda hope SOMEONE at HD reads this thread and sees the feedback!

Kev

I'm cautiously optimistic and I kinda hope SOMEONE at HD reads this thread and sees the feedback!

Kev


Amen, brother! Build that baby!

im kinda taken back that people here dont like it. just because it doesnt look like what a harley should look like or the exhaust or whatever.
crawl out from under your rock.
harley has been racing for almost 100 years, why shouldnt they bring out a fast bike that doesnt look like anything else in thier current lineup? the look of the bike dates back to the early 70's so it does have a classic look.
some of the negative responces really show there is harley snobbery. hope they make it and you get blown away by one on the road.

I am starting to wonder is this is some kind of hoax. How come no other website then the virtually unknown Raptors website is covering this? Why would HD announce a new bike in Europe?

Something IMHO does not add up. Why is not every single big name motorcycle website running stories about this new bike?

I am starting to wonder is this is some kind of hoax. How come no other website then the virtually unknow Raptors website is covering this? Why would HD announce a new bike in Europe?

Something IMHO does not add up. Why is not every single big name motorcycle website running stories about this new bike?

Unknown? Raptors has been covering events like Intermot for years and is often one of the first to break the news on new models.

And as for hoax? The spy shot seen on other websites (like Badweatherbikers) a week or two ago was OBVIOUSLY this bike.

I highly doubt it's a hoax.

Why would HD announce a new bike in Europe?
this was one of my biggest questions as well...I guess only time will tell! :D

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fullgaz.co.il/archive/oct-06/news/images/xr1200-8.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fullgaz.co.il/archive/oct-06/news/fg26296-xr1200-new-pics.php&h=517&w=520&sz=86&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=5GzvGqpsl_039M:&tbnh=127&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dxr1200%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D %26sa%3DN


another site with more pictures

I guess it was Motorcycle News in England that broke the story with the spy shot last week.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/232245.html?1160079619

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/231968.jpg

Only Harley-Davidson Deutschland is registered as an exibiter at Intermot.

While this MAY be a true proto-type for a new Sportster I don't think it will be announced at Intermot.

Guess I am gonna have to take me a little ride up to Koln this weekend!

I guess it was Motorcycle News in England that broke the story with the spy shot last week.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/232245.html?1160079619

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/231968.jpg

All right. I believe ya!

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fullgaz.co.il/archive/oct-06/news/images/xr1200-8.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fullgaz.co.il/archive/oct-06/news/fg26296-xr1200-new-pics.php&h=517&w=520&sz=86&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=5GzvGqpsl_039M:&tbnh=127&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dxr1200%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D %26sa%3DN


another site with more pictures


There are some great pics on that sight.

You can see that black box under the tank is the air intake in one of the 3/4 head-on shots.

hi,guys take a look link:http://motori.alice.it/Moto/Magazine/HarleyDavidsonXR1200_anteprima.html?mmc=49
here's some pics of the "new" sporty....maybe on the road around 2008
sorry if the the news is in italian, but i can't find any article in english

njoy:tour

I which I could read Israeli.

More pics

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-1.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-2.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-3.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-4.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-5.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-6.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-7.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-8.jpg

im kinda taken back that people here dont like it. just because it doesnt look like what a harley should look like or the exhaust or whatever.
crawl out from under your rock.
harley has been racing for almost 100 years, why shouldnt they bring out a fast bike that doesnt look like anything else in thier current lineup? the look of the bike dates back to the early 70's so it does have a classic look.
some of the negative responces really show there is harley snobbery. hope they make it and you get blown away by one on the road.

For the general public, when you say "Harley" this is what they think of:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/SportsterGirl1/FLSTN1.jpg

And apparently a lot of riders want nothing to do with anything that in any way deviates from the 'norm'. It's the same mentality that keeps V-Rods sitting on the showroom floor. The V-Rod isn't everyones cup o' tea, I understand that.

I for one am glad to see the MoCo taking risks like the V-Rod. They need to push the envelope of enginnering and performance. Yes, lots of us want to continue to be able to buy a simple, air cooled bike that is steeped in the HD tradition. I like the simplicity of my Sporty, for what it is and how easy it is to work on. Never fear, the MoCo is not stupid. They know where their bread and butter sales come from--- air cooled traditional Big Twin sales.

Hey, if some of us don't like the bike, fine. But I like seeing the MoCo doing this. (Well, if it is indeed true, and not some cruel, cruel hoax....:p )

Don't like it at all. A Harley is a Harley. This new model looks like a naked crotch Rocket. Harleys are classics (the look, the style, and the appeal). Why mess with the best, If you want something like that go by the rest.

:roflblack now THAT is funny!

There is something in the world known as "progress". Things do have a tendency to evolve and change, you know.
This is a "classic" Harley:
http://members.chello.at/peter.bonito/350er.jpg

I am glad they have changed and don't look, run, or ride like this one does.

If your "classic bike"ever breaks down and you need a ride, I'll swing by and pick you up from under your rock in my car...
http://bedrock.deadsquid.com/img/group/flintstonecars/fred_wilma_baby_car.jpg

One thing is for sure. If this is a European only model then people in North and South America and OZ are gonna riot!

Damn skippy. I'll lower my 1200R and give it to the wife if that sporty comes out.

I wonder if they are really going to call it the Steroid or if that's just an early name or a secret project name...I'm guessing a project name myself...they couldn't name something like this the steroid...or has this already been talked about?
http://motori.alice.it/static/upl/h/hdxr1200-8335-003-f.jpg

For the general public, when you say "Harley" this is what they think of:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/SportsterGirl1/FLSTN1.jpg

I have a pal who is an old biker and he works at the local HD shop. He calls these Panhead wannabes. Of course he still has the Panhead he bought in high school. I call it FUGLY and USELESS. A RUB Poser bike for sure.

It's very amusing to listen to all the neo Luddites gripe. The only constant in this world is change. Lemme hear a big WAH!

Regarding the rubber mount....... I have nothing against that. But for a bike that looks that tough.... light weight is crucial. So is a powerful engine. My prediction: HD will miss on both counts. To them, performance is nothing. Image is what it's all about.

No, I'll correct that. I think HD doesn't make more "sporty" bikes because.... well just listen to the complaining we're getting here. And people online are far more forward thinking than the troglodytes that aren't on the internet. Harley could make some neat performance bikes. But the trogs won't buy them. Trogs only want chrome, forward controls and ape hangers. Oh, and some leather fringies hanging off the control levers.

the new prototype is on all the european HD websites, haven't made enough posts to post a url. just go to HD website and select any european site and you'll see the prototype.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/home.jsp?locale=en_GB

Link to Great Britain. And yes... it's there!

the new prototype is on all the european HD websites, haven't made enough posts to post a url. just go to HD website and select any european site and you'll see the prototype.

Holy Shit!! You are right!!! I wonder what this means. :banasad :banasad :yikes :yikes :yikes

well what do you know! :)

There are specs (not many) and even a poll. Says it's a prototype designed with the average size of a European rider in mind.

Makes sense to debut it in Europe. For some reason, people on that side of the pond are more performance oriented than us.

This is kinda like how Ford is selling a lot of cool models in Europe right now that North American does not get like the ST and RS Focus and S-MAX.

OR maybe HD is just screwing the the minds of all of the XLF readers!

Direct link to the flash info.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2006_Campaigns/XR1200_minisite/XR1200_popup.jsp?locale=en_GB


Erognomics designed around average height European customer

I'm cautiously optimistic and I kinda hope SOMEONE at HD reads this thread and sees the feedback!

Kev

I have no doubt that someone on the project team has/is/or at least will read this thread. We've talked before baout whether or not HD monitors sites like this, I don't know if they monitor them, but you can bet that when they hint around about something new they are checking out the buzz on the net. Finding this forum is stupidly simple now a days. It's grown so much that it pops up on Google with ease.

So I would say yes, they are watching. And I would also say they are loving what they are seeing. I mean no one's even seen the bike in person and look at how much noise it is already generating. 17 pages of posts in a couple days, now that's publicity. I would also venture to say they are pleased with the love it/hate it responses. I'd guess that is exactly what they want.

This is kinda like how Ford is selling a lot of cool models in Europe right now that North American does not get like the ST and RS Focus and S-MAX.

OR maybe HD is just screwing the the minds of all of the XLF readers!


Yeah, but the auto makers have a long history of that. With lots of differences in platforms (and diesel options), but that sort of thing is actually going away these days. You see more and more "world platforms" for efficiency.

I REALLY hope HD doesn't limit it to EU! :frownthre (it just wouldn't make sense, economically or historically).

I have no doubt that someone on the project team has/is/or at least will read this thread. We've talked before baout whether or not HD monitors sites like this, I don't know if they monitor them, but you can bet that when they hint around about something new they are checking out the buzz on the net. Finding this forum is stupidly simple now a days. It's grown so much that it pops up on Google with ease.

So I would say yes, they are watching. And I would also say they are loving what they are seeing. I mean no one's even seen the bike in person and look at how much noise it is already generating. 17 pages of posts in a couple days, now that's publicity. I would also venture to say they are pleased with the love it/hate it responses. I'd guess that is exactly what they want.


:clap :clap :clap

Petty nice and getting up in hp around top v-twin motors like ducati. Also looks like it will handle good too.

This is kinda like how Ford is selling a lot of cool models in Europe right now that North American does not get like the ST and RS Focus and S-MAX.

OR maybe HD is just screwing the the minds of all of the XLF readers!

I don't think there is any way in Hell it will be a European model only.

For one, that isn't HD's style. ANd I think it would work against what I can only guess is their goal with this bike: Add some spark to the line-up, bring in younger buyers, etc. Like I said back on post #53, they need to get kids, American kids, in the door to secure their future EG sales.

In my mind it makes perfect sense to unveil it over there. One is the timing is good. Two, Europens love naked bikes and they tend to love Harley's. Three, can you imagine them unveiling a model like this at say Sturgis? They'd be sued out of business for all the heart attacks and mental distress. ;)

For Europe only or not...I want that front end for my 1200R.

:banarock

So I would say yes, they are watching. And I would also say they are loving what they are seeing. I mean no one's even seen the bike in person and look at how much noise it is already generating. 17 pages of posts in a couple days, now that's publicity. I would also venture to say they are pleased with the love it/hate it responses. I'd guess that is exactly what they want.

Yes, they are. There are three HD employees on here that I know of and one only snoops (has never posted). I will not tell their usernames but one has been in this thread most of the morning. :wonderlan

Yes, they are. There are three HD employees on here that I know of and one only snoops (has never posted). I will not tell their usernames but one has been in this thread most of the morning. :wonderlan
actually I think there might be a 4th too :shhhh

On the bottom of the page on Raysheens link ,isa link to a poll which asks for input on some items of the new XR. Sorry if this was covered already.

There are specs (not many) and even a poll. Says it's a prototype designed with the average size of a European rider in mind.

Makes sense to debut it in Europe. For some reason, people on that side of the pond are more performance oriented than us.

Not to stray but I believe that goes way back in history.

Americans need large powerful heavy duty bikes. Towns were spread out and the nearest neighbor might be a few miles away. They needed bikes that could carry a lot of weight over most any surface. A bike that could "haul the mail" if you will.

Whereas Europe already had large cities and most were close together and almost all were pretty congested. And they were way ahead of us with some sort of paving, be it bricks, stone, what have you. So they needed light, quick transportation.

And the two themes more or less just continued. At least that's how I see it.

actually I think there might be a 4th too :shhhh

Naw...I think I know who you are talking about and I already asked him if he was a spy. :shhhh

Naw...I think I know who you are talking about and I already asked him if he was a spy. :shhhh

You guys just ain't right you know that? But I do believe I know at least one of them. And if I'm right, he isn't watching right now. ;)

I love it , and I hope Australia gets it ! - pete

You guys just ain't right you know that? But I do believe I know at least one of them. And if I'm right, he isn't watching right now. ;)

It is not him. :D :laugh

I don't know why they did this in Europe, unless the bike really has some performance to back up the hype.

So what do you guys think, it looks like they probably shaved off an easy 50lbs from the current Sporty, and with 90 hp, what kind of 1/4 mile times are we talking about?

Of course, the handling and braking looks to be really spot on. I'm glad HD decided to put better brakes on the bike.

I also like the looks, maybe they can clean up the air intake a bit. I can't wait for a review of a test ride in one of the magazines. I want to see HD build it, but for my money, I'll pass. I'm betting the new Buell race motor makes it into production in the next couple yrs, and into the Sporties soon after.

It is not him. :D :laugh

Damnit! :D:D:D

Well Hell, I wish whoever these ghosts are they'd at least tell me if I'm full of s:censor t or not. :laugh

Hardxray is the spy. Just my guess.

Nice try....but no cigar.

Nice try....but no cigar.

But you said you'll nevr name him.:smoke

He has never posted, and look at the name...hardxray....there is an HD in it, and xray....he's looking into things. Sounds logical, at least. Not to mention he just joined in October, just in time to see the opinions on this new bike?

I just thought of something. HD would be smart to sell this only in Europe where they can charge a higher price for it and make more profit as long as the Euro strys stronger than the US Dollar.

I just thought of something. HD would be smart to sell this only in Europe where they can charge a higher price for it and make more profit as long as the Euro strys stronger than the US Dollar.


:yikes :doh :gun :shhhh

I just thought of something. HD would be smart to sell this only in Europe where they can charge a higher price for it and make more profit as long as the Euro strys stronger than the US Dollar.


There would be hell to pay back in the USA if they did that.:banana

Europe is just the proving ground. More receptive audience and no doubt more accurate feedback. They are accustomed to these types of bikes and therefore will give the needed input. Us Yanks will either just drool or spit. ;)

But it will not be a Euopean only model.

I see they really beefed up the swingarm. I wonder if it wobbles at high speed.:D

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fullgaz.co.il/archive/oct-06/news/images/xr1200-8.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fullgaz.co.il/archive/oct-06/news/fg26296-xr1200-new-pics.php&h=517&w=520&sz=86&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=5GzvGqpsl_039M:&tbnh=127&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dxr1200%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D %26sa%3DN


another site with more pictures

After looking a bit closer I have to say I REALLY REALLY LIKE IT!

I dont know if I would like to see the model line changed that much,but as a special S edition it would be nice.

To me its a Buell plain and simple, but no mater who is making it, ITS NICE.

Adios

Can't call it a Buell if Erik didn't design it. And it's really nothing about Buell. It's all about an XR Harley. They existed back when Erik Buell was still a kid. It's Harley through and through. And long overdue.

PLEASE KEEP THE WEIGHT DOWN AND HORSEPOWER UP.

A direct link to the XR1200 Prototype information...

http://tinyurl.com/hshhg

JB

Very cool...

Its only available in Europe?

Very cool...

Its only available in Europe?

Unknown. It's something we're debating.

I say no. :)

Says on the Euro websites in bold letters PROTOTYPE. But looking at the different castings for the engine covers I'd say it's very close to production.

Unknown. It's something we're debating.

I say no. :)

Sweet.

Every since I was a lil kid I wanted a 750 Sporty.

I could "settle" for a XR1200!

The more I look at it the more I like what I call "Buell" (Sport Tuning) and the clear cut HD look.

I have been craving some "go fast" pretty hard lately...I might be willing to "trade up"!

Adios

I like the bike, wouldn't mike adding it to my garage. Very cool looking, although I would prefer a black engine.

A poll has been posted.

CLICK HERE TO VOTE (http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?p=517725#post517725)

Please read poll options carefully. :tour

A poll has been posted.

Please read poll options carefully.

Ah shucks! I hate when that happens.

Maybe I'll wear a helmet while reading.
That should be careful enough.

JB

Just buy a Buell.

I like it. Why not have a 2 into 1 exhaust can though?

How can you guys just say 'get a Buell'? Buells are sportbikes with sportbike frames and suspension and ergonomics and looks. That bike is a pure XR Harley.

If HD can make sloptails that look like Panheads for the RUB poser crowd, why not an XR style Sportster for the squidly type of Sportster rider?

If properly executed, that XR1200 would be a very appealing alternative to an FZ1 or Bandit or SV1000. (AS LONG AS IT HAS A COMPETITIVE POWER/WEIGHT RATIO.)

Open your little minds, people.

I'll say one thing for sure, no matter how you feel about the bike, you've got to like the change they made around the oil dipstick! Look at the indented fender.

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-8.jpg

How can you guys just say 'get a Buell'? Buells are sportbikes with sportbike frames and suspension and ergonomics and looks. That bike is a pure XR Harley.

If HD can make sloptails that look like Panheads for the RUB poser crowd, why not an XR style Sportster for the squidly type of Sportster rider?

If properly executed, that XR1200 would be a very appealing alternative to an FZ1 or Bandit or SV1000. (AS LONG AS IT HAS A COMPETITIVE POWER/WEIGHT RATIO.)

Open your little minds, people.

well at least someone feels the same way I do! :D ...not a Buell by any stretch...100% HD and it has a lot of potential...on the drawing board anyway...we'll see what the final result is though!

All I can say is that if they come out with a blacked out Night version, I'm getting one. European only release or not. I've been looking for a reason to cross the pond for a visit. Can't think of a better reason why.


So read this HD:

Make a blacked out version!!!!!

How can you guys just say 'get a Buell'? Buells are sportbikes with sportbike frames and suspension and ergonomics and looks. That bike is a pure XR Harley.

If HD can make sloptails that look like Panheads for the RUB poser crowd, why not an XR style Sportster for the squidly type of Sportster rider?

If properly executed, that XR1200 would be a very appealing alternative to an FZ1 or Bandit or SV1000. (AS LONG AS IT HAS A COMPETITIVE POWER/WEIGHT RATIO.)

Open your little minds, people.

Ut-O :sofa

I'm gonna pretend you didn't say that.

JB

I like it.

Chainsikle,

Do you have rearsets for an 08 Sportster yet?

uh it already has rearsets!!!!
I am sure someone will ruin it with forwards, drag pipes, saddlebags, and one of those stupid trailers!!!

uh it already has rearsets!!!!
I am sure someone will ruin it with forwards, drag pipes, saddlebags, and one of those stupid trailers!!!

Well look at that, who would have thought. I guess I didn’t look close enough. Being an HD I assumed it would come with forward.

Quote on HD-US website:

“As Harley-Davidson seeks to further grow its presence and sales in Europe, INTERMOT and subsequent major European events will be used to carefully evaluate media and public reaction to the XR 1200 prototype,” said John Russell, Vice President, Harley-Davidson Europe. “If the prototype is well received, we hope to bring the XR 1200 to EUROPE in 2007.” (emphasis added)


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Preety sweet looking bike, I love the exhaust and the whole style of the bike

Quote on HD-US website:

“As Harley-Davidson seeks to further grow its presence and sales in Europe, INTERMOT and subsequent major European events will be used to carefully evaluate media and public reaction to the XR 1200 prototype,” said John Russell, Vice President, Harley-Davidson Europe. “If the prototype is well received, we hope to bring the XR 1200 to EUROPE in 2007.”
That doesn't sound very promising for for folks in North America...
Some of Santa's wish-lists that have probably already been penned hastily in the past 48 hours may go unfulfilled... :frownone

I can't post a URL.... newbie.

Check out the XR1200 on the Harley Davidson France website. A lot of photos, customer survey, and looks like it could be for Europe only.

Anyone notice that the pics don't show the rider leaning to the right (the pipes side)? When leaning left the rider almost gets his knee down. I wonder if there is less clearance when leaning to the right.

Harley frickin' Davidson release a European only model?

I can't buy that. Maybe for initial release but I just can't believe they would leave it out of their HOME country!

Big hint there HARLEY.

Harley frickin' Davidson release a European only model?

I can't buy that. Maybe for initial release but I just can't believe they would leave it out of their HOME country!

Big hint there HARLEY.

Next step is building factorys and Americans loosing jobs overseas, what a concept :doh for the American people, like it hasn't been going on for decades.

Just think they could build H-D in China and ship back to USA duty free.:laugh :doh

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2006_Campaigns/XR1200_minisite/XR1200_popup.jsp?locale=fr_FR

It's in the French H-D site.

There is also a factory poll for you to voice your opinion.

if we're really talkin XR it should have wire wheels....those mags look a bit 80's to me...

One day old post and already 222 replies. Looks like HD has drawn attention;)
Overall it's not my style of bike, sorta looks like an 80's sportbike to me. But it is a nice looking bike all the same. I think it'll compete against the SV, Vmax, crowd. It's not a Buell (not as sophisticated frame, geomtery, etc), and it is definately not a cruiser Sportster either. I think it will be a great addition to the Sportster lineup. I'd venture to say they will drop the R models if this one makes production.

if we're really talkin XR it should have wire wheels....those mags look a bit 80's to me...

I agree on the wheels. I would settle for 18 inch versions of the current cast mag wheels. I would also like to see an exhaust like the Supertrapp 2 into 1 or 2 into 2 high pipes in the satin stainless finish.

One day old post and already 222 replies. Looks like HD has drawn attention;)
Overall it's not my style of bike, sorta looks like an 80's sportbike to me. But it is a nice looking bike all the same. I think it'll compete against the SV, Vmax, crowd. It's not a Buell (not as sophisticated frame, geomtery, etc), and it is definately not a cruiser Sportster either. I think it will be a great addition to the Sportster lineup. I'd venture to say they will drop the R models if this one makes production.


Why drop models? More market penetration by adding this bike to the line-up rather than replacing the R. I would bet that they don't replace the R but rather add this bike to the line-up.

Why drop models? More market penetration by adding this bike to the line-up rather than replacing the R. I would bet that they don't replace the R but rather add this bike to the line-up.


Huh huh.....I said penetration. :smoke That's marketing.:wonderlan

Harley frickin' Davidson release a European only model?

I can't buy that. Maybe for initial release but I just can't believe they would leave it out of their HOME country!

Big hint there HARLEY.

DITTO......DON'T DO THAT TO US MOCO:doh :doh :doh :doh :doh
WE KNOW HOW TO RIDE OVER HERE TOO!!!!!!!!!:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

PS: Gotwa....New Hairdo?????:D

Huh huh.....I said penetration. :smoke That's marketing.:wonderlan
OR WHOOSIERSPEAK :D :D :D :D :D

OR WHOOSIERSPEAK :D :D :D :D :D


It's Hoosiers!:doh Are you in Indiana? I live in Jeffersonville.

They need to give us a shot at voting on that site!!!!!!!!!
I'm likin LOT'S.......is it perfect.......NO......am I excited by the possibilities
ABSOFREAKINLUTELY:clap :banadanc :D
Is it as BadAZZ as a Storz or Lawill? NO....but price it right and we'll do the rest!
I can't imagine anything neater on the street than an XR750:clap
Dial On wheelies at speed:banana :clap :banana YEH BABY !!!!!!

DEAR MOCO: If you Build It.....WE will Buy

Only problem with spokes is the tubes. 3 other makers have spoke wheels that support tubeless tires BMW, Moto Guzzi and Aprilia. If they go that route then I'm all for it.


I really don't understand the dislike of spoked wheels. I do know that there were and still are problems with radial spoked wheels where the spokes transition from tension to compression with each turn of the wheel. This is a design problem. But, I have never heard of a catastrophic failure of a properly designed spoke wheel where the spokes remain in tension 100% of the time.

It's Hoosiers!:doh Are you in Indiana? I live in Jeffersonville.

NAW MAN it's WHOOOOOOSIERS....and yes....I'm in Covington:D

If they make it, I will buy it. :banadanc But it's gotta have some power!

I like it - A LOT! Love the XR look. Finally, a Sportster that means business!

NAW MAN it's WHOOOOOOSIERS....and yes....I'm in Covington:D


Do you ever get down around the Bloomington, Brown County area? Thar's some great ridin down thar. Just stay out of Brown county when the leaves are changing.

Don't like it at all. A Harley is a Harley. This new model looks like a naked crotch Rocket. Harleys are classics (the look, the style, and the appeal). Why mess with the best, If you want something like that go by the rest.

:doh Your kidding, right?

The XR is PURE Harley and Pure Harley History. Nothing would be more Classic Harley than a new XR! If they make this thing, I am going to camp out at the dealership to buy the first one out of the box!:tour

For the record, I believe Guzzi has abandonded the tubeless spokes for 06+, they were only used on some of the California models in the decade before. I suffer with their tubed-version :(

BMW indeed has tubeless spokes, not sure about Aprilia, but it's possible.

Frankly, spoke wheels are a deal breaker for me these days. I don't want the hassle of cleaning them, checking/tightening them or checking/trueing them on tire replacement. Give me simple, lightweight cast aluminum wheels PLEASE!!!

Kev

i see many possibilities with this bike. first a bike with modern looks and performance with HD on the tank. second, even if i dont get one i can buy all the cool bits off it probably much cheaper than storz.
i dont think ide resist or even try to though. ide buy one right away cause i am a squidly rider who doesnt wanna buy a full blown sportbike and dont like ducati maintanance. make it powerful, fast, and good handling and im in. and make all the parts available so i can make my r model look like it.

i see many possibilities with this bike. first a bike with modern looks and performance with HD on the tank. second, even if i dont get one i can buy all the cool bits off it probably much cheaper than storz.
i dont think ide resist or even try to though. ide buy one right away cause i am a squidly rider who doesnt wanna buy a full blown sportbike and dont like ducati maintanance. make it powerful, fast, and good handling and im in. and make all the parts available so i can make my r model look like it.
$hit LD.....we're going for a group Buy !!!!!!!! YOU're IN :clap :smoke :banadanc

$hit LD.....we're going for a group Buy !!!!!!!! YOU're IN :clap :smoke :banadanc
Only as long as I get to ride it when Lager comes up here to carve the hills with me and my chromachrome black baby :laugh

$hit LD.....we're going for a group Buy !!!!!!!! YOU're IN :clap :smoke :banadanc


HELL YEAH!!! i bought my 883r cause it looked like a half assed attempt at a xr looking bike. its totally my style

Only as long as I get to ride it when Lager comes up here to carve the hills with me and my chromachrome black baby :laugh


sure, i got to ride your moped. ide let you ride mine:tour

Again.....nice Do CAT....it's all YOU !!!!!:D

A co-worker has an Aprilia that has tubeless spoked wheels. Basically there's a flange on the outside of the rim that the spoke penetrates (it doesn't end inside the tire). The spokes cross from one side of the hub to the rim flange on the opposite side. At a glance, you don't notice, when you first notice it you kind of go "What the...", but after thinking about it, it's a pretty neat idea

Nice scoop Kev. That bike is !!!!INBITCHIN. I would buy it NOW. I have had some street trackers. HARLEY: GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND BUILD THIS. You make great KROME KROOZERS already. This is what the XR1000 should have been. This is what the 883R should have been,the 1200S,XLCR,VR1000,etc.

FORM OVER FUNCTION WOULD BE NICE.


Not everyone who likes H-D is a chopper/cruiser/chrome nut.


Oh,put the trapdoor back in,please.

FORM OVER FUNCTION WOULD BE NICE.

Not everyone who likes H-D is a chopper/cruiser/chrome nut.
Uhhh... me thinks we already have form over function... :shhhh

Uhhh... me thinks we already have form over function... :shhhh


thats right, we need more function. and clip ons and fly screen and full face helmets and twisties and running down I-95 at 2am at wot. sorta like giving BT riders a wedgie...i love it.