Okay, not trying to compete with the other thread that is going or open this one up as place to discuss/debate the bike. You can click HERE FOR AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION. (http://www.xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=39445) Pics, links, debate, it's all in there.

The intent of this thread is to see where folks come down on the bike. Bert has confirmed HD employees are indeed watching this site for info on the project so lets see if we can't get them some somewhat meaningful data.

PLEASE NOTE: The poll is broadly seperated by geographic location so please vote accordingly.

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http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-4.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-5.jpg

http://vtwin-gallery.com/photopost/data/501/xr1200-8.jpg

http://www.xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?threadid=39502

First vote, USA rider and I love it...:clap

Wow, that looks like an updated Sportster. It should have been the 50th Anniversary Model.

To be quite honest....I don't like how the tank meets the seat and I don't like the gauge placement or the look of the head light. I think that they could have done the "naked" look a lot better. To each his own, but I am going to vote that the design isn't that spectacular.

love it. would rather have it with a black engine....

Just buy a Buell.

Good idea on the Poll!!!!

Kev

would rather have it with a black engine....
:iagree
It looks like the designers couldn't decide if they wanted a black bike or a chrome bike, so they compromised. Although I'm not a huge fan of the R series or of blacked bikes, I think it would have looked much better without the shiny engine or exhaust.

Black paint scheme, Blacked out motor and a real peanut tank and you have a winner... I like it enough that I am seriously thinking about buying one when they come out rather than going with the Buell.

Love it and agree that a Night* version would look great!

2nd what Preacher said. I would seriously consider getting one.

Definately Black on the Engine and exhaust

:iagree
It looks like the designers couldn't decide if they wanted a black bike or a chrome bike, so they compromised. Although I'm not a huge fan of the R series or of blacked bikes, I think it would have looked much better without the shiny engine or exhaust.

Ditto again

It's ok. I like the power aspect, but the setup is just not for me. That being said, I would like it to be built. I think it will appeal to a lot of people, especially the streetfighter/cafe racer crowd. Anything that helps increase the percent of sporties sold compared to the rest of the H-D line is fine by me.

I like the motor and the tank... the downdraft is wicked cool...

I do think that if they are going to invert the forks they should radially mount the brakes... unless this isn't intended to compete with the other naked street bikes?

I really don't like the pipes... they are the only piece of chrome on the bike... they look out of place. Why not powder coat them black???

The rear fender looks cheap also...

it is a harley... it can't be perfect out of the factory...

A quarter century ago I probably would have
loved it. As you can see from my vote, that's
not the case now.

I like it. I think they need to retain the original sportster for those of us that ride 2-up and put long miles on with luggage.

I really think Harley needs something like this in the lineup. It's about time!

Hate is such a strong word...but I REALLY don't care for the looks...tank/seat transition looks f'ed up, like they didn't know what to do there...and I've always dry-heaved at the site of a boat tail...it's starting to look too 'plasticy'...BLUCK! :frownthre

I gave it a thumbs UP!

While it's not for me, it is a beauty.

And, even though I love black, I think polished wheels should be an option. It would so go with that exhaust.:tour

It has a hybrid look to it that could bridge the gap between traditional Sportsters and Buells and pull more riders into the Sportster fold. Go for it HD!:D

sporster chest with a buell butt interesting combo. just to put my 2 cents in ( since I'm new and thats all i got) to me that seat just doesn't fit with the bike. but it still has two wheels so start it up, run it and lets go just wait for me to catch up lol

I like it A LOT! :banana

I'd like to see a blacked-out version, and different pipes though. Either way, if this bike comes to fruition, I'll be at the dealer with cash in hand. (MoCo, are you listening???) ;)


Bart

For what it is, a cafe racer in my opinion, it's not bad looking. At 41 yrs old those days are long gone for me. I'm looking for comfort and while I'd never get rid of my Sporty, I would want something for the longer haul, bagger. So this bike is just not it.

I'm in the middle of the don't care attitude.

I'm intrigued by the swingarm and aircleaner. The oil tank looks plastic, if so, that could be a trouble spot. So, I'd have to go with "undecided"

I love the look. I'd really like to be able to make that my Sporty's stablemate.

I really like it. I think it should be in the sportster line up, but not replace the other ones. I like the front shocks, the color scheme, the exhaust should be Black. I wouldn't buy a bike a second person could not ride with me, and I'm sure it's too tall for me, so I won't be buying one, But I really like it.

Not too many of us Overseas types is there

I like it! Not sure that I'd trade mine in for it, but I'd like to see it as an option.

My 2cents, like the bike but not the pipes. They need to be black and if there is two of them they should be linked like the XR. And higher up. Also it has to be lighter and have more power or it is just a style statement.

I am be in the minority on the "Pro" side, and I think this should be an add-on option, but a 3/4 fairing option and a 1/4 fairing would complement it quite nicely I think.

But sell it as it is, let the buyer do the adding on.

As to color, four colors that would be good.
The Orange shown, a all Black version, a Pacific Blue and a Sunglow Yellow.

A Fire Pearl red would be nice too, but it is kinda close to orange.

Just a thought.

I don't feel strongly, but I wouldn't buy one. I appreciate the XR racing heritage and all that, but I wouldn't have bought one of those either, just not my thing.

Black it out and i would buy it.

It has things that I like and things that I don't like. The look of the pipes just doesn't appeal to me, and not to hip on the plastic bodywork on some of it. I do however like the inverted front, the fuel injection, and the retro look of the camcover with the Sportster embossed on the cover. Not a bad looking bike with plenty of potential for aftermarket parts. I kinda dig it.

I prefer the traditional Sporty for ME (I know, I have a Custom with the non-traditional tank), so I wouldn't buy one. But I do like the bike and I think there are quite a few people who would buy it if the price was reasonable--between $10-11K.

Harley should build it :clap

However it comes out of the factory, we're gonna change it somehow. That's just Harley riders being Harley riders.

Might not mean so much to you guys in the USA, but over here in the UK I can see this baby taking the Japs on and bettering them, assuming it handles and goes as good as it looks. Only the pipes spoil it for me, too big; then again it should be good news for Supertrapp et al!

H-D, if you're looking, can we have one for demo at the 2007 Sportster Jubileee that I'm organising for the Harley-Davidson Riders Club of Great Britain? Pleeaze? ;) :D

now that I see more pics of it, I want one even more, first thing to go would be the fugly pipes, put on a ssr or propipe and its set to go for me. I think the primary should match the cam side. with the rib with the logo on it, make it look more symmetrical. I want one, I want one, mmm, Christmas is coming in 2 months maybe if I am a real good boy....:devileek

it looks to me like 2 wheel unadulterated SEX!!!!!!!! 3 Thumbs up!?!

I LOVE IT! :banana

And if the seat height isn't incredibly sky-high, I think I just found my next bike.

US Rider, I love it looks preety bad a$$ IMO

Here's a link to Cycle news about this model and they have a small pic of it in all black.

Regards, chieftd

http://www.cyclenews.com/

http://www.cyclenews.com/StoryImages/4532.jpg

Not quite as all black as I was thinking of but thats ok, I'll finish it when I get it home. ;)

2-1 exhaust

Have rear fender be a bobbed normal fender

Forget about a passenger.

Body color front fender

thumbs up...

pipes dont do it for me either but who EVER leaves the stockers on?

engine is black already just covers that are silver.

wire wheels (preferably aluminium) please

lower handle bars pls

nice range of HD / SE cams, exhaust etc pls

it would have to be cheaper than a Buell or I'd just buy the Buell cos when it comes down to it, this bike is still more of a styling statement than a true sportsbike / streetfighter in the Triumph Speed Triple vein.

However my guess is this bike IS already a part of the 07 lineup and we are being quizzed on last minute detail hints.



Alby from Oz.

http://www.cyclenews.com/StoryImages/4532.jpg


Just picture that puppy with black exhaust....

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbo/1269b.jpg

http://www.steelthundercc.com/assets/sportsterexhaust%20assets/ds-202150.jpg

Voted to like it, The more I look at it the more I like...

The lines where the tank meets the seat needs some smoothing out.. the way it sits "IMO" breaks up its MoJo... Storz performance seemed to do a good job in smoothing out their lines, I think HD could do the same.
IT's still HOT.. And I want one

Just picture that puppy with black exhaust....

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbo/1269b.jpg

http://www.steelthundercc.com/assets/sportsterexhaust%20assets/ds-202150.jpg


That Force exhaust would be... Pure goodness, some one Photoshop it please =)

I like it. However, I like the idea better than the execution. The pipes and the rear end need work.

Voted to like it, The more I look at it the more I like...

The lines where the tank meets the seat needs some smoothing out.. the way it sits "IMO" breaks up its MoJo... Storz performance seemed to do a good job in smoothing out their lines, I think HD could do the same.
IT's still HOT.. And I want one

Oh yeah and A FAT head lamp, but.. one can always change little things like that out to make it his/hers own.

The more I stare at this picture...
http://www.cyclenews.com/StoryImages/4532.jpg

The MORE I see a Suzuki Bandit 1200!

http://www.nku.edu/~cain/graphics/1200.jpg

Anyone else see that, or is it just me?!?!?

(Suzuki has your fat headlamp, Ingreen99...)

The more I stare at this picture...
http://www.cyclenews.com/StoryImages/4532.jpg

The MORE I see a Suzuki Bandit 1200!

http://www.nku.edu/~cain/graphics/1200.jpg

Anyone else see that, or is it just me?!?!?

Dammit Cat!!! Here I was comparing the XR lines to Jessica Alba and you have to throw in a pic of Charlize Theron in "Monster".:(

Dammit Cat!!! Here I was comparing the XR lines to Jessica Alba and you have to throw in a pic of Charlize Theron in "Monster".:(
The XR lines aren't THAT good, and the Bandit lines CERTAINLY aren't that bad...

Sweeeet. Kinda has that buell look to it. Sorta the best of both worlds.

Now we are talking BLACK...

I really dig this bike. This fills a huge void in the Sportster line up. When I bought my 03 XLH 1200, I would have bought a S model. But the dealer didn't have any in stock or any on order.

Now we are talking BLACK...
You forgot the tank. :laugh

Nice photoshop chop, though! :)

www.xrdna.com this is what I found on the mo-co's website, Please vote often so we might see this in the states. please don't let it become like the XLCR! A cool concept that needs a real following.

I almost had to wipe down the keyboard after watching the video!!!

BLACK OUT the motor....2/1 Black pipes

GET RID OF THE WOBBLE so Joe Dirt and I can go FLYING.....I'M IN MOCO:clap
Hell I'll paint the fender to match!

BLACK OUT the motor....2/1 Black pipes

GET RID OF THE WOBBLE so Joe Dirt and I can go FLYING.....I'M IN MOCO:clap
Hell I'll paint the fender to match!

I think that this is rubber mount related. That is why I would rather have solid mount.

Love it, would have bought it if it was available a coupla years ago, but won't trade my existing bike for one.

Cheers,

Brett

Make the seat to tank transition smoother in appearance and I would love to have one in the stable.

Sam

www.xrdna.com this is what I found on the mo-co's website, Please vote often so we might see this in the states. please don't let it become like the XLCR! A cool concept that needs a real following.

I almost had to wipe down the keyboard after watching the video!!!


Awesome, awesome, AWESOME!!!!!

I see a new bike in my future!!!

I want it....in orange and black.

To the HD "spys" That are supposedly watching this thread:
When you bring it to America, DON`T de-tune it!
DO give it a seat that`s comfortable enough to do at least a gas tanks worth of miles.

Black paint scheme, Blacked out motor and a real peanut tank and you have a winner... I like it enough that I am seriously thinking about buying one when they come out rather than going with the Buell.

Preacher, If you get one of these and chop it up......

I shall personally arrange to have you flogged:spank

,the bike confiscated :rippedoff ,

......and have you committed.:yoyo















:sofa

I stand by my conflicted opinion -- I absolutely HATE it personally, but since there are people that LOVE it, I hope they make it for ya! I suppose anything that would give the Sporty some bragging rights would be cool. I just wonder if they aren't broadening the Sporty lineup, or perhaps... insidiously... http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif sharpening its focus.

And I agree -- it should not be detuned or watered down for the North American market if brought here at all. It should be a balls-to-the-walls screamer. And ditch the passenger seat for cryin' out loud -- I have a mousepad that's thicker.

Well here's a surprise...


I like it.. ;)




HD has finally given the sporty some balls..


It's a modern version of the XLCR



Although this isn't the bike for all you nambypambychromeplasteredgirlsbikeriders.



I'd black a few more things out but the silver/chrome is a good idea as it allows people to go either way with their dress up options..




The lines flow well .... may have to look at a different ass end for mine now... looks a little similar to the tail of my Gixxer.... and those GS wheels are lookin good too ;).... and that modded Trumpy swingarm...... mmmmmmm

Just picture that puppy with black exhaust...
Those silly Photoshop people...Windows Paint works just fine and it's free...I even added some shiny highlights on the pipes...oh yah...and notice the color matched front fender too...nice huh?

Love it!! Anyone think a four banger should be a consideration?

This bike with:

Black engine and black color option
Chop the ugly rear end, this is an XR, solo seat!
More power, dam, yes... Must be fast enought :D
2:1 exhaust or an exhaust like suppertrapp (storz model)
.
.
.
.

is cool :D

I love the front end, better brakes, light weight wheels & swing arm,
:D (hope not be just for europe because I'm thinking in this like my new bike :D)

PLEASE NOTE: The poll is broadly seperated by geographic location so please vote accordingly.

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U forgot some other places...

a real peanut tank


I second that

U forgot some other places...

No I didn't but I didn't want the poll to be huge either. My main focus was to try and seperate the "overseas" voters from the US voters. The idea was driven by the fact HD is showcasing it Europe and seems to be targeting Eurpean buyers. I wanted them to see what we yanks thought in comparison to those outside North America.

Didn't mean to exclude anyone.

Well here's a surprise...


Although this isn't the bike for all you nambypambychromeplasteredgirlsbikeriders.

...

Ride this to your local HOG chapter meeting huh Stevo? :D :banana

I LIke It Too Much!!!!!:D


;)

I LIke It Too Much!!!!!:D


;)

I like your avatar better.

I like the gas tank and that about it.

I like your avatar better.

How'd you like to have that for a snack???

:D

:dpepper :dpepper :dpepper :dpepper

I like your avatar better.
I like the junk in the trunk. :wonderlan

Must get back on topic... must get back on topic... <WHAP!>

So Stevo, you going to travel to eurpoe to get one of these?










The bike, Steveo... the BIKE.

like it but the chrome exhaust needs to go and more black on the cases,possibly call it a sport rod or night rod,but give H-D their props for stepping out for some thing unique

Really don't like it....

I'm more of a "classic" Harley guy.....

I can't even see what I'd do to it to make it mine enough to want one...

The whole back end is so....

so....

so...

RICE ROCKET.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Mika_Kallio_KTM_125_II.jpg/800px-Mika_Kallio_KTM_125_II.jpg

I like the bike. If I could afford a BT for riding longer distances and this bike to blast around town, I would buy one.

I like the junk in the trunk. :wonderlan

Must get back on topic... must get back on topic... <WHAP!>

So Stevo, you going to travel to eurpoe to get one of these?










The bike, Steveo... the BIKE.



nahhh .. I'm still gonna build what I want out of mine..... might be tempted to change the back end a bit tho.. seeing as it's gonna be made out of carbon fibre it wont be difficult


Although i've just been discussing building 2 yachts (a Farrier F-32AX... one for me and one for greg... seeing as his sporty looks like mine, I'm seein a pattern :D)

Really don't like it....

I'm more of a "classic" Harley guy.....

I can't even see what I'd do to it to make it mine enough to want one...

The whole back end is so....

so....

so...

RICE ROCKET.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Mika_Kallio_KTM_125_II.jpg/800px-Mika_Kallio_KTM_125_II.jpg










my answer to that
http://goldwest.visitmt.com/Pictures/big/9250h.jpg

my answer to that
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m96/clarinetcat1/Evil.jpg
What is THAT?!?

What is THAT?!?

first aid kit:doh

my answer to that
http://goldwest.visitmt.com/Pictures/big/9250h.jpg

THAT was FUNCTIONAL....He NEEDED that clearance...

http://americanhistory.si.edu/dynamic/images/collections_large/95-3221_225px.jpg

But the pipes DIDN'T suck.... :laugh

I would LOVE one of the original XR750's.....

first aid kit:doh
Maybe a tourniquet? :roflblack

And Chuck, the new Sporty would be functional for Lager... you have never seen him ride. :yikes

Maybe a tourniquet? :roflblack

And Chuck, the new Sporty would be functional for Lager... you have never seen him ride. :yikes


lol, that was a damp day. you should see when dry out. speaking of which, i need a new cell phone. that rain that i got caught in on the way home fried my cell.

What is THAT?!?


His lunch.

Does it come standard with a sunroof? Where and when can I buy one???

THAT was FUNCTIONAL....He NEEDED that clearance...


you also need clearance if your gonna turn;)

I love it. Don't know that I would buy it, but I love it.

what a great looking bike. I would buy one to-day. .

Even though it made me throw up a little bit..... I'm sure there are those out there who'll love it. I realize that H-D has to stay competitive. I'm all for them diversifying and making as much money as they can and being secure..... as long as they also provide the old styles that we know and love them for.
Speaking of which, I'm so glad I didn't wait a year to buy my 1200R. I like my CV!! That's my .02

THIS IS the motorcycle I have been dreaming of since spending Memorial Day 1992 at the Illinois State Fair Grounds Mile. This is what I wanted to make my 03 883R look like. Glad I haven't thrown a ton of money into it. Have to wait and see if Harley. I would give it the wrinkle black engine like the 883R and a 2 into 2 high pipe. Like a Super Trapp or the Bub pipe on Storz's XR1200. Just build the bike Harley. I will make the changes I want lol. Wich would included a number plate with #9 on it. Gotta love Springer.

Nice bike .... don't like the pipes

Don't like the tail section. Don't like the pipes. Something about the overall lines of the bike just doesn't flow. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/gronk62/smileys/puke.gif

What is THAT?!?
Silly wabbits............. that's his parachute.:clap

Overseas rider...LOVE IT . In fact I love it so much that if it does get produced I will seriously consider PXing my 1200C for it.

Sounds like it's going to be a Euro only model from an article in Cycle News(can't post urls yet since I just joined, otherwise I'd provide a link.

Also the article has a pic of the bike in black colors, but not the motor, for those interested.

Although I've never been much of a Harley fan, I've always wanted an XR750 since seeing them race at the San Jose and Sacramento Miles back in the early 80's. Of course those bikes are virtually unobtainable, so this bike would be an easy compromise for me.

Its "ok" not a fan of the seat or the exhause. or the color .. It seems smaller then the sporty. But over all its not to bad.

Its "ok" not a fan of the seat or the exhause. or the color .. It seems smaller then the sporty. But over all its not to bad.


so what you are saying is you would like it with more traditional seat, exhaust, and have it be black.:doh :doh :doh they already have that model, its a 1200roadster. is the extra 20hp too much also?

so what you are saying is you would like it with more traditional seat, exhaust, and have it be black.:doh :doh :doh they already have that model, its a 1200roadster. is the extra 20hp too much also?


LOL the seat looks old fasion. I just nto a fan of that redish color.. any other color would be good doesnt have to be black:p

To be quite honest....I don't like how the tank meets the seat and I don't like the gauge placement or the look of the head light. I think that they could have done the "naked" look a lot better. To each his own, but I am going to vote that the design isn't that spectacular.

Yes!
Drop the rear of the tank down a little so that it 'flows' with the seat.
Use the Roadster guages, or put everything into one guage.
I would think a dual headlight with 4" or 4.5" bulbs would look better and deliver more light.
ADD: Handlebars should be straighter and more forward, i.e. almost a cafe bar.
Put on 2-into-1 exhaust.

just my $.02 :D
(Posted before reading the other 100+ posts, so if I repeated something maybe HD will take more notice.)

LOL the seat looks old fasion. I just nto a fan of that redish color.. any other color would be good doesnt have to be black:p

i hear ya, i was just messin with ya:D

Yes!
I would think a dual headlight with 4" or 4.5" bulbs would look better and deliver more light.



:shhhh :shhhh :shhhh

That was gonna be MY first mod when I bought one someday!!!!!

;)

Really don't like it....

The whole back end is so....

so....

so...

RICE ROCKET.....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Mika_Kallio_KTM_125_II.jpg/800px-Mika_Kallio_KTM_125_II.jpg

I'm not sure a 125cc 2-stroke European made bike classifies as a "rice rocket". :doh It does put out 55 hp's though and only weighs 180lbs. :banana

I like the prototype and hope they proceed with it. :clap

I buy DUCATI Monster or YAMAHA V-Max if I buy such a stupid thing. :frownthre :frownthre :frownthre

http://www.geocities.jp/red4bass/xl1200r6r/jeans/Ducati-monster-z.jpg

http://www.geocities.jp/red4bass/for_xlf/07_vmx1200_yb_s.jpg

Or WAKAN. :)
http://www.engmore.com/home.html

http://www.geocities.jp/red4bass/for_xlf/Wakan05.jpg

http://www.geocities.jp/red4bass/for_xlf/Wakan10.jpg

Like I said in the other post. Monsters are awesome, but Chains and Desmo's don't attract me. Vmax is cool, and I loved riding it, but it's a different animal, and not one I'd be looking to add to my garage.

K

V Maxes are bad azz mo fos. Never ridden one, unfortunately.

V Maxes are bad azz mo fos. Never ridden one, unfortunately.
First time I road one was YEARS ago at the Rider magazine rallye (manufacturer's demos).

The guy from Yamaha came up to me and said "that bike is the most fun you will EVER have IN A STRAIGHT LINE with your clothes on"

LOL the seat looks old fasion. I just nto a fan of that redish color.. any other color would be good doesnt have to be black:p


It's the Harley racing orange:rolleyes:

This bike seems to have an identity crisis...sport vs standard/cruiser. I think that a hybrid or transition bike could be done in a more interesting way...it looks like they cut the bike in half and slapped on the back end of a sport bike. It's an interesting concept, but seems to fall a bit short in my opinion...but maybe that's why it's a prototype.

This bike seems to have an identity crisis...sport vs standard/cruiser. I think that a hybrid or transition bike could be done in a more interesting way...it looks like they cut the bike in half and slapped on the back end of a sport bike. It's an interesting concept, but seems to fall a bit short in my opinion...but maybe that's why it's a prototype.


You haven't actually seen an XR 750 before have you?

This isn't halfway to anything, it's all the way to that.

Though with a more modern eye that was not already familiar with an XRs lines, I could see how they would get that impression.

For those of us that know and love flattrack racing. This is a beautifull motorcycle. That orange and black paint scheme. for those that don't know. Is the Factory Racing team's paint scheme.

I love it. I want one. Now.

is it a sports bike ..or what? it looks confused,,,, hate the tank, headlight, pipes, rear fender, I do like the front shocks

http://photos.motorcycle-usa.com/07_XR1200_R.jpg

I personally think that if they want this market they need to have their Buell dealers CARRY and PROMOTE Buells.

I am still undecided though.

I would buy one. 90HP, with some adjustments it should do 100HP+, so why not a chain? Don't care for the air intake either, but otherwise nicely done HD!
DC

This is interesting. Just by an informal survey of looking at the profiles of the folks that don't like the bike and don't make the connection between the XR750 and predecessor KR750, it seems that they are all riding 04 or newer Sportsters. Is this a generation thing? Of those that do not like the bike, how many of you have seen a dirt track race?

This is interesting. Just by an informal survey of looking at the profiles of the folks that don't like the bike and don't make the connection between the XR750 and predecessor KR750, it seems that they are all riding 04 or newer Sportsters. Is this a generation thing? Of those that do not like the bike, how many of you have seen a dirt track race?



Was thinking a similar thing...



I wonder how many new owners have any idea of the sporty/XR/KR racing heritage....??????

Was thinking a similar thing...



I wonder how many new owners have any idea of the sporty/XR/KR racing heritage....??????

I ride an '05 and I love it.

And give me a KRTT any day. Although I would have to hire Stevo as my personal tuner. ;):D

But I think you may be on to something. Which is kind of strange to my way of thinking. I would have thought more late-comers would appreciate it. But then, maybe that has to do with the whole demographic thing.

ive never been to a dirt track race.
i grew up watching dukes of hazard, night rider, a-team, and the occaisional specials showing evel knievel. had the evel knievel rip cord motorcyle and stand. rode skateboards and bmx bikes. built bike ramps in alleyway on blacktop. listen to heavymetal and classic rock.
and have owned two elcaminos(part car and part truck).
this xr1200 is for me.

ive never been to a dirt track race.
i grew up watching dukes of hazard, night rider, a-team, and the occaisional specials showing evel knievel. had the evel knievel rip cord motorcyle and stand. rode skateboards and bmx bikes. built bike ramps in alleyway on blacktop. listen to heavymetal and classic rock.
and have owned two elcaminos(part car and part truck).
this xr1200 is for me.


I know that you like the bike. But, did you make the connection with the KR/XR 750s? Just currious.

ive never been to a dirt track race.

this xr1200 is for me.

Damn ld.....you gotta make it to a MILE race someday. You haven't lived until you see those boys rattling bars with each other at 135 mph on the dirt:banana
Many Indy Miles had 5 guys at the finish line for the win that could be covered with a blanket! And that ain't no $hit!!!!!!
This bike is ALL THAT !!!!!:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

I know that you like the bike. But, did you make the connection with the KR/XR 750s? Just currious.


i bought my 02 883r cause it had a tank graffic that looked like an xr and orange paint. so yes that connection was there without me actually knowing anything about xr's except that evel rode one.

Damn ld.....you gotta make it to a MILE race someday. You haven't lived until you see those boys rattling bars with each other at 135 mph on the dirt:banana
Many Indy Miles had 5 guys at the finish line for the win that could be covered with a blanket! And that ain't no $hit!!!!!!
This bike is ALL THAT !!!!!:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap


I agree 200%.:clap You haven't lived until you've seen dirt track racing. I remember going to Louisville Downs to watch the dirt track races back in the late 60's and early 70's. It seems that dirt track racing went the way of harness racing.

i just thought of something. i like the pipes but paint them black since none of the classic harley riders will buy one anyway. just out the chrome

Damn ld.....you gotta make it to a MILE race someday. You haven't lived until you see those boys rattling bars with each other at 135 mph on the dirt:banana



one of the parts guys at my dealer races an xr and hes always traveling to get to race. im not sure of any local dirt tracks.

I want to love this bike because I've always loved the XR's, but I can't. I don't like the looks of the down draft setup with that plastic crap under the tank. Why get rid of the sidedraft? XR's have the dual sidedrafts with the bigass K&N's dragging along? The seat section would be fine if they got rid of that passenger pad. And I agree with everyone else about the exhaust. Either a black 2into1 or better yet, real high pipes.
Although I don't think it's perfect, I like the Storz job better.

I like the Storz job better.


storz is in the 25k range. hopefully this bike will be priced under 10k

Lager you want to see what all the fuss is about with the racing. Spend a Labor Day or Memorial Day in Springfield,IL. Actually you are not that far from Ohio. Have the Sciota Downs finale this weekend. Or you can always goto www.liveIsports.com for $8 you can watch one of the Springfield Mile races streaming on the web.
I could not agree with the others more. All the great American motorcycle road racers came from flattrack. From Cal Rayborn and Kenny Roberts Sr. to all three Hayden brothers.

Lager you want to see what all the fuss is about with the racing.

i tried a similar technique a few years back when it snowed and i took my yamaha trailbike out for a spin around the block. it was a hell of alot of fun.

That it would be lol All the Michigan Mafia flattrackers used to take their XR750s out on the frozen lakes with studded tires. Be out there with guys with 2 stroke dirt bikes and you get blown by by a 750 Harley. lol

I think the MoCo could still pick up a few attributes from Storz without increasing the price too much and include them on their new XR prototype before they let the public have them...do it up right, guys! Make us proud! At least get that seat to blend into the tank a tad better! :D

http://www.storzperf.com/images/XR-1200lr.jpg

http://thekneeslider.com/images/xr1200new.jpg

http://www.storzperf.com/images/XR-1200c.jpg

XRs have dual flatside carbs. I have an 883R with the Storz rear set. I can tell you the ham can is not a good thing. Keep hitting my right knee on it. The downdraft set up cleans that up. I would imagine that eventually this is going to be the set up on all Sportsters.

This is interesting. Just by an informal survey of looking at the profiles of the folks that don't like the bike and don't make the connection between the XR750 and predecessor KR750, it seems that they are all riding 04 or newer Sportsters. Is this a generation thing? Of those that do not like the bike, how many of you have seen a dirt track race?

I think it's obvious from many of the posts here on the forum that many don't know diddly about the XR's racing heritage.

Like I said in another post, a lot of peoples idea of a 'Harley' is a two-tone Softtail or a bagger. Don't have a clue about the 'racing' side of the MoCo.

Oh, BTW, I have an '05. :D

I could give two craps about racing.

I'm aware of the XR, but I've actually always been a fan of the XLCR too and this reminds me of both.

Black out the motor and exhaust with the orange bodywork and I've got a blend of the two!

The more I look at this bike, the more I like it. INCLUDING the lack of ham can (which I've always loved on the Sporty cause it's just right). And honestly, I EVEN like it MORE than I do the Storz (from a visual standpoint).

Like I said in the other thread


I'll go on the record right now (and I'm gonna talk to Stretch, the owner of my local dealership to commit to him too) that IF it's sub 500 lbs with the power they've claimed and bring it here, I'm buying one.

PERIOD.

How's that HD...

Come one man.

I've been seriously leaning towards my first ever purchase of a NEW foreign bike (Ducati) but you've got the opportunity to assure yourself a sale to me of my 4th NEW Harley!

DO IT!

Just buy a Buell.


....................:iagree

...Who cares what it looks like............everybody's gunna F:censor K with it anyway.........it's a Harley.....;)

Very nice to see the racing heritage coming back to the Sporty.
Now build me a drag racing version.
Dana

...Who cares what it looks like............everybody's gunna F:censor K with it anyway.........it's a Harley.....;)
If they released it in the States, it would be under a month before someone posts a picture of theirs here with apes, forwards, a tall sissy bar, saddlebags, and open drag pipes.

Very nice to see the racing heritage coming back to the Sporty.
Now build me a drag racing version.
Dana

nah, you need to build that on your own. just ditch everything off your bike that isnt needed for the next 12 seconds or so.

lots of negative feed back on the flowing lines. ok, seat doesnt blend with tank as well as storz but on the rear there is a nice line starting from axle pivot to the tip of the tail. the exhaust follows that line. i think the lines flow pretty well

Now build me a drag racing version.
Dana

:doh

HOLY CRAP... talk about just NOT getting it.

Drag racing is about EXACTLY the polar opposite of what this bike is about.

:doh

HOLY CRAP... talk about just NOT getting it.

Drag racing is about EXACTLY the polar opposite of what this bike is about.

whats opposite? drag bike has no suspension? no lights? a square rear tire? doesnt idle? cant turn well?
what are you trying to say kev? i dont get it:doh :hidechai

I like the black one on the other thread!

whats opposite? drag bike has no suspension? no lights? a square rear tire? doesnt idle? cant turn well?
what are you trying to say kev? i dont get it:doh :hidechai

:laugh :laugh

I like the black one on the other thread!

so why are ya snoopin around here???:D
black is ok, but since i already own a orange bike i know the full visual of the bike. black bikes look great in bright light or under street lights. the orange and yellow bikes seem to look good even with minimal lighting. with all other parts blacked out the tank and fenders really stand out

I'd like to see it in all colors! Maybe when I win the lotto I can start a collection!

I'd like to see it in all colors! Maybe when I win the lotto I can start a collection!

ide actually prefer the crazy colors. open a bag of skittles and pick a color and paint it. this isnt the average harley why try to blend in.

this isnt the average harley why try to blend in.

Rogre that.

Since this bike won't be marketed to the Harley masses, it doesn't need the endless pallette of the MoCo custom paint shop. :rolleyes:

It's available in black and HD racing orange for a reason.

I don't think the folks who want a mint green over dragonfly green will be shopping for this bike. Just my 2 cents.

Still holding at a solid 65% LOVE IT with another 20% undecided. That's amazing considering what a departure this is from current HD styling.

Someone in the HD design dept has GOT to be patting himself on his back.

I am completly in love with this bike. It is exactly what I have been wanting for years. I bought an 883R with the intention of making it look like this bike.

I don't like it at all.... may as well go out and buy a suzuki.

I don't like it at all.... may as well go out and buy a suzuki.


Ya know, it's totally cool when someone says they don't like it.

But when they follow that up with "may as well go out and buy a suzuki" I gotta take a step back and wonder out loud just how much they know (or don't) about motorcycles.

Cause, when was the last time you saw a V-twin powered Suzuki naked standard/Cafe with:

1. Belt drive
2. Hydraulic lifters

Cause those two things are HUGE requirements for me.

and there are a bunch of other reasons to buy this over a Suzuki

3. Harley dealers network
4. Harley switchgear (I prefer this over metric switchgear)
5. Separate crankcase and transmission oils - I hate when those fluids are shared

and I'm sure there is more but these are the first things that come to mind.

Plus I've already fallen in love with this motor (happened more than a decade ago for me).

So WHY would I buy a Suzuki???

Kev

I still want it!!!!!! I don't care what you people say. This is pure HD and pure Sportster too me (minus the FI, but that I understand).


C'mon Kev. Haven't you figured it out by now. Some people just don't get it. And by it I'm referring to the bike, not to you not getting why people don't get it. Have I confused you yet?

You haven't actually seen an XR 750 before have you?

This isn't halfway to anything, it's all the way to that.

Though with a more modern eye that was not already familiar with an XRs lines, I could see how they would get that impression.

Obviously the guy with the Suzuki comment is another one that's never seen an XR750. Man I've been wanting Harley to put out an XR750 styled bike for over 25 years, since I first saw them at the San Jose Mile back around 1982.

As a Triumph fan and owner, I've been a bit surprised at the lack of knowledge regarding the history of the XR750 and the KRs before that from the Harley faithful when I've been browsing around the forums after I first got wind of this prototype.

I'm with you Kev...if they make this bike under 500lbs, and they have the same performance numbers I've seen in the press(85-90 hp with 75 ft lbs of torque), I'm making a beeline for the H-D dealer. I'll even throw on my 20 year old Jay Springsteen t-shirt when I sign on the dotted line. :)

Ya know this is an eye opener. All these folks screamin' that water cooled Harleys are a break with tradition, chains are better than belts, S&S carbs rule the world...... and they have no idea about the fastest of Harleys ever made.

(Note: XR750s did NOT have S&S carbs either!)

But if HD came out with a Sportster that looked like a sloptail that looked like it was trying to emulate a real Panhead, man..... all the sheep would be lining up to buy new ape hangers, chrome and leather fringees.

I hear you loud and clearn man. I am a student at MMI Orlando. You would be surprised even from down here, surounded by motorcycle enthusiasts. How many haven't a clue about the origines of the Sportster. Or the racing heritiage of the XR and KR. Even amoung the road race enthusiats. I am like hello do you have anyidea where Nicky Hayden and Kenny Roberts Sr and Jr cut their teeth?
I to have been wanting an XR style streetbike. But not for as long as you. The 1992 Memorial Day Springfield Mile. lol
Even if it comes in closer to the standard Sportster's weight( wich I can not see how it could) still going to be a well performing machine.

Ya know this is an eye opener. All these folks screamin' that water cooled Harleys are a break with tradition, chains are better than belts, S&S carbs rule the world...... and they have no idea about the fastest of Harleys ever made.

(Note: XR750s did NOT have S&S carbs either!)

But if HD came out with a Sportster that looked like a sloptail that looked like it was trying to emulate a real Panhead, man..... all the sheep would be lining up to buy new ape hangers, chrome and leather fringees.
People like that are part of the reason I bought VRod.

I found some more pics an a positive review in French.
The pics show it has a very nice set of dials.
Since this is my first post i can't post he URL.
:headbang

People like that are part of the reason I bought VRod.
Stick the V-Rod engine in that sexy XR chassis and WHAT AN INCREDIBLE MACHINE YOU'D HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found some more pics an a positive review in French.
The pics show it has a very nice set of dials.
Since this is my first post i can't post he URL.
:headbang

Where is it and I'll post it for you.

Some people just don't get it.



Exactly. :D

I'll take mine in HD Racing Orange, and I'll take it ASAP, thank you very much.

I GET IT:doh :doh :doh


that bike is in europe cause americans really dont understand or need good brakes or suspension or power. they are happy with loud slow chrome relics of times past.:D

Here ya go.

http://www.moto-station.com/ttesimages/motodivers/nouveautes2007/Harley-Davidson_XR1200_compteur_stpz.jpg

http://www.moto-station.com/ttesimages/motodivers/nouveautes2007/Harley-Davidson_XR1200_boite-air_stpz.jpg
Moto-Station (http://www.moto-station.com/article2045-news-2007-harley-davidson-xr-1200.html)

The more I see it the more I love. PLEASE Harley-Davidson don't shut your American copatriots out on this one.

The more I see it the more I love. PLEASE Harley-Davidson don't shut your American copatriots out on this one.

dear harley,
im ready and willing to start another monthly payment plan. i want/need gottagottagotta have it. spike lee says do the right thing:banadanc

I could see where the twin dial type guages in side by side configuration would look cool. But, that is just nit picking I do love it the way it is.

How about a special Scott Parker limited edition model? lol

I could see where the twin dial type guages in side by side configuration would look cool. But, that is just nit picking I do love it the way it is.

How about a special Scott Parker limited edition model? lol


i like the emphasis on the tach rather than speedo. shows this thing was meant to be revd and run. speedo? who cares about speed limit when riding backroads?

The best Harley ever. 05 883R Taxes paid 1200 kit. SS shocks.

The more I see it the more I love. PLEASE Harley-Davidson don't shut your American copatriots out on this one.

If H-D is aiming at a "Europe Only" market, it may be due to pending EPA laws governing noise and pollution. Would be easier to market to buyers in those areas where extreme restrictions aren't in place.

It's the sort of bike where the saying

"If I have to explain you wouldn't understand" really applies...


plebs....

Add me to the 2to1 bandwagon... It will definately take top spot on my wishlist when it hits production though.

:banadanc

I'll admit that I'm not familiar with HD's racing history. I am starting to like the XR1200 as I read more specs about it (although I was really groovin' on a Buell).

Not sure if someone posted this, but here's a link that tells a bit about the pedigree of the xr750 (and you can see the tail did look that way back in the day and is just not a copy of a ricer).

http://www.ironharley.com/racepics/xr750thbig.jpg

Here's the link to the site:

http://www.ironharley.com/xr750.htm

alright... what i dont like about the bike is the styling, however the performance of this beast would be a reason for me to like it.

Wheels look Suzuki, just plain don't like the exhaust, passenger seat - don't like the insert-look makes it look euro or something.

Overall, I love it. I want it all black. I want a 2 into 1 or XR750 style exhaust because that one ain't workin for me at all. I'd seriously consider a handle bar swap and going full on Cafe with this thing. My guess, though, is that the stock seat height will be too tall for my short legs...... sigh.

It's the sort of bike where the saying

"If I have to explain you wouldn't understand" really applies...


plebs....

Eye. Gets my juices flowing just looking at it. Maybe not so much for the bike itself but to know HD is remembering their racing roots.

A nuiance or nostalgia or whatever. There is no explaination. It is something that just talks to you. It will always be what it is and never be what it isn't but if it talks to you, it always be what you love.

Oh, and as much as I like black, HD orange. Anything else just wouldn't be right. Slap an ole stars and stripes #1 on there and color me gone. :)

I'll take mine in HD Racing Orange, and I'll take it ASAP, thank you very much.
WHAT?!?!? No Chopper Blue?!?!? :rolleyes:

would be interesting to see an evel replica

That is not a bad idea there Lager. Do Evel and Scotty Parker.

That is not a bad idea there Lager. Do Evel and Scotty Parker.

that would be sweet seeing them lined up at dealer. orange/black bike and next to it a white one with stars and stripes and the number one on it.(not my idea. someone mentioned before me). how bout dot knobby tires? or a cape that doubles as a cover:banadanc ok forget that last one

LMAO@ the cape

Another idea. Kenny Coolbeth on the factory XR750 is about to bring the Grand National Championship back home to the factory team...

H-D XR and late KR used a 'glass ass BEFORE the Japanese/Euro bikes. There are so many utterly ignorant,stereotyped comments about this XR1200. The density is underscored by the authoritative observations. Like a KTM being a rice rocket....Are all Harley riders a buncha dumbass ignorant troglodites? Mesmerized by the magic magpie lure of chromium? Besotted with functionless form-o-cycles? Oblivious to anything but counterculture choppers cum current commercial bonanzas for TV show "bikers"? I think I'm going off the edge,here...........

Eeyupper, Ima gittin one o them thar XR1200 crotch racer hogs as soon as my dealer has 'em on sale fer cheap! See,ain't nobody gunna buy um. H-D can't fool us real bikers. Nunna me & my buds would be caught DEAD on sum ricky racer POSER plastic crap like that. I seen wunna them GREEN Kawasakis and YA KNOW WHAT? IT'S THE EXACT SAME BIKE!!. 'Assright ,HARLEY bought 'em from kawasaki just like the V-rod from the BMW Krauts!!
But I ain't dumb. I'll git one cheap when the stupid dealers have 'em piled high cuzz nobuddy's buyin'. THEN lookout!! with the money I save I'll put some kool shyte on that sled: Rear struts, slammed with a 320mm tire kit. 20 in. apes, leather tassles,skulls everywhere. Chrome chrome chrome. 8 degree raked trees. 240 spoke chrome wheels. FWD billet controls. A badass paintjob with GHOST FLAMES and SCARY SKULLS. Led lights under the tank and a chain conversion with a jockey shifter. No rear fender and a solo seat with a stretched molded tank and a spike gas cap! Rip alla that komplificated EFI crap off and OH-YES- an S&S Super G with thunderjet kit. Points conversion and 2inch drags. Oughtta show them factory college boys what some real horsepower is about. DAYUMM.....I'm gittin' all worked up ahreddy! jest thunkin' about it!



This bike is a bit polarizing and no one's even seen one yet!

WOW lol is about all I can say

H-D XR and late KR used a 'glass ass BEFORE the Japanese/Euro bikes. There are so many utterly ignorant,stereotyped comments about this XR1200. The density is underscored by the authoritative observations. Like a KTM being a rice rocket....Are all Harley riders a buncha dumbass ignorant troglodites? Mesmerized by the magic magpie lure of chromium? Besotted with functionless form-o-cycles? Oblivious to anything but counterculture choppers cum current commercial bonanzas for TV show "bikers"? I think I'm going off the edge,here...........

Eeyupper, Ima gittin one o them thar XR1200 crotch racer hogs as soon as my dealer has 'em on sale fer cheap! See,ain't nobody gunna buy um. H-D can't fool us real bikers. Nunna me & my buds would be caught DEAD on sum ricky racer POSER plastic crap like that. I seen wunna them GREEN Kawasakis and YA KNOW WHAT? IT'S THE EXACT SAME BIKE!!. 'Assright ,HARLEY bought 'em from kawasaki just like the V-rod from the BMW Krauts!!
But I ain't dumb. I'll git one cheap when the stupid dealers have 'em piled high cuzz nobuddy's buyin'. THEN lookout!! with the money I save I'll put some kool shyte on that sled: Rear struts, slammed with a 320mm tire kit. 20 in. apes, leather tassles,skulls everywhere. Chrome chrome chrome. 8 degree raked trees. 240 spoke chrome wheels. FWD billet controls. A badass paintjob with GHOST FLAMES and SCARY SKULLS. Led lights under the tank and a chain conversion with a jockey shifter. No rear fender and a solo seat with a stretched molded tank and a spike gas cap! Rip alla that komplificated EFI crap off and OH-YES- an S&S Super G with thunderjet kit. Points conversion and 2inch drags. Oughtta show them factory college boys what some real horsepower is about. DAYUMM.....I'm gittin' all worked up ahreddy! jest thunkin' about it!



This bike is a bit polarizing and no one's even seen one yet!

Awwwwww...you know it'll still be called a girl's bike by those big bad BT'ers...those dumasses! :smoke

I voted North America- Love it.

Mainly for the concept. I am really middle of the road on the tank and seat/tail section. It is a little too boxy for me, needs some flowing lines. I also think it would be more appealing with a fairing and front spoiler.

Sure those would be available either from the MoCo or aftermarket. With a fairing and chin spoiler it isn't an XR flattrack inspired bike. It is a Firebolt.

If H-D is aiming at a "Europe Only" market, it may be due to pending EPA laws governing noise and pollution. Would be easier to market to buyers in those areas where extreme restrictions aren't in place.


Actually (and maybe an EU board member can chime in here and correct me if my impression is wrong), but I thought I've heard that the EU has tightened standards over the years so they are already on par or ahead of the current and upcoming EPA regs.

I know a lot of European bikes come here 50 state compliant because that's what was needed in Europe anyway, so it was easier to just build em all the same way.

H-D XR and late KR used a 'glass ass BEFORE the Japanese/Euro bikes. There are so many utterly ignorant,stereotyped comments about this XR1200. The density is underscored by the authoritative observations. Like a KTM being a rice rocket....Are all Harley riders a buncha dumbass ignorant troglodites? Mesmerized by the magic magpie lure of chromium? Besotted with functionless form-o-cycles? Oblivious to anything but counterculture choppers cum current commercial bonanzas for TV show "bikers"? I think I'm going off the edge,here...........

Eeyupper, Ima gittin one o them thar XR1200 crotch racer hogs as soon as my dealer has 'em on sale fer cheap! See,ain't nobody gunna buy um. H-D can't fool us real bikers. Nunna me & my buds would be caught DEAD on sum ricky racer POSER plastic crap like that. I seen wunna them GREEN Kawasakis and YA KNOW WHAT? IT'S THE EXACT SAME BIKE!!. 'Assright ,HARLEY bought 'em from kawasaki just like the V-rod from the BMW Krauts!!
But I ain't dumb. I'll git one cheap when the stupid dealers have 'em piled high cuzz nobuddy's buyin'. THEN lookout!! with the money I save I'll put some kool shyte on that sled: Rear struts, slammed with a 320mm tire kit. 20 in. apes, leather tassles,skulls everywhere. Chrome chrome chrome. 8 degree raked trees. 240 spoke chrome wheels. FWD billet controls. A badass paintjob with GHOST FLAMES and SCARY SKULLS. Led lights under the tank and a chain conversion with a jockey shifter. No rear fender and a solo seat with a stretched molded tank and a spike gas cap! Rip alla that komplificated EFI crap off and OH-YES- an S&S Super G with thunderjet kit. Points conversion and 2inch drags. Oughtta show them factory college boys what some real horsepower is about. DAYUMM.....I'm gittin' all worked up ahreddy! jest thunkin' about it!



This bike is a bit polarizing and no one's even seen one yet!


:laugh :laugh :laugh

I give that rant a 95 out of 100.

Use of the word Gay would have gotten you 4 more points!

:clap ;) :D

:laugh :laugh :laugh

I give that rant a 95 out of 100.

Use of the word Gay would have gotten you 4 more points!
I think it's a safe bet to assume that use of the word "assclown" would have counted as "extra credit", bumping that score up to a perfect 100?!? ;)

I think it's a safe bet to assume that use of the word "assclown" would have counted as "extra credit", bumping that score up to a perfect 100?!? ;)


Use of both Gay and Assclown would have put it over the top... :banadanc

It just reminds me too much of an old Honda dirtbike...

It just reminds me too much of an old Honda dirtbike...
you mean this one
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/djs_151/pics/s_cl.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/djs_151/pics/CL400FT.jpg





Actually its a honda concept from the 1999 Tokyo Motor show. Its a flat track-styled race replica.

you mean this one
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/djs_151/pics/s_cl.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/djs_151/pics/CL400FT.jpg





Actually its a honda concept from the 1999 Tokyo Motor show. Its a flat track-styled race replica.


So it reminds him too much of a Honda copy of an old Harley.

That would be like objecting to the new Triumph Bonneville because it reminds you too much of a Yamaha XS650 Special or a newer Kawasaki W650 :doh

north america, middle of the road.

I know I would never buy one. The pipes are hideous. The tank section and the seat section look like blocks of legos put together and do not "flow".

Other than that, I'm sure it handles great and rides awesome and blah blah blah. I wouldn't mind seeing one coming down the road at me.

I pretty much like all two wheelers but I konw I would not buy one of these.

I like it enough to buy one! Immediate availability would be great, 'cause as of right now all my rolling stock is paid for so I am in good shape to take off early today and sign the papers for mine. What would really set me off is if they could get a few more HP (100+) from it. I don't want a paper tiger. It looks quick - it needs to BE quick! Maybe some work on the seat/tank area, funny, the pipes/mufflers are starting to grow on me.

Has anybody seen a weight figure?

would be interesting to see an evel replica

yeah-very cool!

http://www.ironharley.com/racepics/xr750/evelk.jpg

Yeah, a red white and blue Evel version would be completely TITTIES!!!!!

Yeah, a red white and blue Evel version would be completely TITTIES!!!!!
Huh...?...wha...?...wait, what, WHAT? Titties?! Where?! :banana

Huh...?...wha...?...wait, what, WHAT? Titties?! Where?! :banana

You had to vote that you loved the XR to see them Ole. Sorry buddy. They are really nice ones too.




:D:D:D:D

Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! :censor

I hope the XR1200 doesn't end up like the XLCR, discontinued because of lack of interest from traditional Harley riders in a sporty and fast Harley (whell at least the V-rod seems to be a succes in the US). I'm plannig to buy a new bike next summer. I'm interested in a Guzzi Griso 1100, Ducati Sport 1000 or a Triumph Thruxton. I've test drove a XL883R but didn't liked it, too heavy and underpowered. I might seriously consider a XR1200 if they can keep the weight down and the price on par with other bikes in it's class.

Don't know if this has been posted, haven't read all 20 pages yet, but has anyone considered the irony of the following, occuring within the same few days:

1) HD introduces XR1200 prototype to Europe.

2) HD introduces Harley Davidson brand beef jerky to the US market.

I'm sure HD did lots of market research on both.... the market research is in, and we, my fellow Americans, are beef jerky. (maybe not here on the XL board, but maybe some of those other boards....)

HD- please, hold the jerky, send me the bike.

HD- please, hold the jerky, send me the bike.

:werd :usaflag :horseride

I hope the XR1200 doesn't end up like the XLCR, discontinued because of lack of interest from traditional Harley riders in a sporty and fast Harley (whell at least the V-rod seems to be a succes in the US). I'm plannig to buy a new bike next summer. I'm interested in a Guzzi Griso 1100, Ducati Sport 1000 or a Triumph Thruxton. I've test drove a XL883R but didn't liked it, too heavy and underpowered. I might seriously consider a XR1200 if they can keep the weight down and the price on par with other bikes in it's class.

Boy we're cross-shopping the same bikes!!!

Yeah, four great looking bikes. Three look just great as they are but the Triumph needs a bit tweaking in my opinion but when you look at newbonneville.com or BellaCorse great things can be build with their parts and a bit of home labour. A big bennefit of the Thruxton is that over here you can find recent low milage bikes at great prices. At this moment the ads are showing three 2004-2005 Thruxtons with less than 10.000km for 6000€, that's half the price of a new Buell XB12S. Downside are the not very good brakes en roadmanners compared with the other bikes.

I voted overseas motr. I do know something about the racing heritage, XR750 etc. I think it'll be great if this bike makes it to production, and hopefully sells well. On the other hand, it's just not my thing. I wouldn't want all Sporties to end up looking like that. I wanted a Sporty because I wanted a retro bike.

It just reminds me too much of an old Honda dirtbike...

Do you mean this?

1983 HONDA VT500 Ascot
http://www.geocities.jp/red4bass/for_xlf/83_ascot.jpg

Use of the word Gay would have gotten you 4 more points!

:clap ;) :D


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Yeah, four great looking bikes. Three look just great as they are but the Triumph needs a bit tweaking in my opinion but when you look at newbonneville.com or BellaCorse great things can be build with their parts and a bit of home labour. A big bennefit of the Thruxton is that over here you can find recent low milage bikes at great prices. At this moment the ads are showing three 2004-2005 Thruxtons with less than 10.000km for 6000€, that's half the price of a new Buell XB12S. Downside are the not very good brakes en roadmanners compared with the other bikes.

I guess you don't want to know how cheap those Thruxtons and Buell's sell for new here... :wonderlan

Do you mean this?

1983 HONDA VT500 Ascot
http://www.geocities.jp/red4bass/for_xlf/83_ascot.jpg


Hey, there's one of my old bikes!!!!

That color too.

I mean, if I was going to own a Honda, it might as well have been red!

You musta had some more $ than I had at the time Kev, I couldn't afford the Ascot 500.
I had to settle for the single cylinder 250.
No HD bike can touch that bastid for vibration...
Rode the:censor out of it tho, before I knew any better.:tour

Heck no, I got it used in the early 90s, from a buddy of mine, the original owner.


Hey on the XR this just in from Cycleworld - they think it is gonna make weight!!!

Harley-Davidson has just pulled wraps off a “prototype” (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) Sportster that promises to rip the conchos right off your Village People chaps as it buzzes past and peels into the next corner. Using tricks learned in Buell's upgrading of the Sportster motor, the XR1200 is shooting for 85-90 horsepower at the crank, about 10 hp more than the current Twin Cam 96 makes. Factor in at least 100 pounds less weight, modern suspension (43mm inverted Showa) and brakes (four-piston Nissin) and sticky rubber (120/70-18 front, 180/55-17 rear), and you've got the makings of the latter-day Sporty street-tracker that many of us have been asking for. For years.

Judging by the excitment generated in this and the other thread as well as other poles I have seen. I would have to think Harley-Davidson is taking notice of the interest this bike is generating.

I think it looks like a rice burner trying to be a Harley.

It actually does look like an XR flattracker. Now maybe the ricerburners started copying Harley first? They do it with their cruiseres anyway.

It actually does look like an XR flattracker. Now maybe the ricerburners started copying Harley first? They do it with their cruiseres anyway.

Thats true but I still dont like it.

That's fine we are all enttiled to our opinoins. But at the sametime to call a bike that looks like a bike that was racing and winning decades before the Japs even got into this is just silly.

that was then and this is now. Take a stock jap bike and a stock Harley and see who wins.

Actually the Japs can't build a bike to run with the XR750s. That is the main reason why the AMA split the series up into one championship for the Singles and one for the Twins. The Japs couldn't build a machine that could compete with a machine that is 34 years old. Now with the singles class AMA can get the Japs to run their 450 motocross bikes and get them to come and play.

I dont care about AMA racing. You and I will never ride around town on a AMA race bike. I am talking stock bike. An everyday rider. To me the bike looks like crap for a Harley. If I want a race bike for around town then I might be interested. I dont like the race bikes.

To me the bike looks like crap for a Harley. If I want a race bike for around town then I might be interested. I dont like the race bikes.


serious question: do you think this bike might hurt harleys image?

serious question: do you think this bike might hurt harleys image?

Jim......I don't think it should (or will). Somebody will make bags, and chrome, and hangers for it too!:laugh :D

I mean, they already build some bikes that some of us don't like now.....namely the Sportster....so what the hey....why not build a performance bike that the "enthusiasts" among us can enjoy?

BUT....in todays society.......I can see anything happening :doh

I dont care about AMA racing. You and I will never ride around town on a AMA race bike. I am talking stock bike. An everyday rider. To me the bike looks like crap for a Harley. If I want a race bike for around town then I might be interested. I dont like the race bikes.

You probably shouldn't buy one then. There are many of us that grew up on Japanese scooters. There are many fine pieces of machinery out there to choose from. None of them satisfy me, which is why I bought my Sportster.
Anyone can go fast on a Japanese rocket, where's the challenge and satisfaction in that? For pure, unadulterated, WOW power though......nothing says that like a H-D though!:banana

I think it looks like a rice burner trying to be a Harley.

I think softails look like ricer burners (V-Stars) trying to be a Harley.

























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Actually the Japs can't build a bike to run with the XR750s. That is the main reason why the AMA split the series up into one championship for the Singles and one for the Twins. The Japs couldn't build a machine that could compete with a machine that is 34 years old. Now with the singles class AMA can get the Japs to run their 450 motocross bikes and get them to come and play.

Actually, I don't follow racing, never really have, but I seem to remember discussions about the Japs building a bike that had so much potential to dominate flat track racing that Harley petitioned the AMA to separate the classes. I have NO doubt in my mind that they could build a bike to run with XR750s.

I thought that in the sixties when flattrack racing was dominated by Harley flatheads AMA changed the rules so the superior OHV Triumphs coudn't compete against the Harley's annymore.
The same thing happened in the early seventies when American musclecars got their ass kicked by VW beetles, they changed the rules too.

The same thing happened in the early seventies when American musclecars got their ass kicked by VW beetles, they changed the rules too.

What type of racing did this happen with?

serious question: do you think this bike might hurt harleys image?

I dont think it will hurt Harley.

Needs a blacked out engine and exhaust. I think a 2->1 exhaust would look better also.

You know.....

Looking at it in its current set up, I was thinking it might make a great enduro, with the proper tires on it... It looks to have good ground clearance..


Hold the rotten fruit please..:sofa

What type of racing did this happen with?

NHRA dragracing. The big problem was that American car makers were big sponsors of the NHRA while VW wasn't. The VW competitors were just a couple of enthousiasts like Gene Berg en Joe Vittone from EMPI.
The Detroit car makes weren't happy that the little VW's were winning many races against Detroit muscle so the NHRA changed the rules making VW's uncompetetive against muscle cars.

cool id buy one for the right price. it better not be super expensive

NHRA dragracing. The big problem was that American car makers were big sponsors of the NHRA while VW wasn't. The VW competitors were just a couple of enthousiasts like Gene Berg en Joe Vittone from Scat.
The Detroit car makes weren't happy that the little VW's were winning many races against Detroit muscle so the NHRA changed the rules making VW's uncompetetive against muscle cars.

Yah... here's one reason:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b54/Waggajag/VW/Funny%20VeeDubs/Jetbug.jpg

;)

NHRA dragracing. The big problem was that American car makers were big sponsors of the NHRA while VW wasn't. The VW competitors were just a couple of enthousiasts like Gene Berg en Joe Vittone from Scat.
The Detroit car makes weren't happy that the little VW's were winning many races against Detroit muscle so the NHRA changed the rules making VW's uncompetetive against muscle cars.

i dont know the history of vw's in nhra. i can say i heard of gene berg(late) and joe vittone i think started techtonics tuning for watercooled. but anyway, it takes about 120 hp to get a vw into low 12's and on stock tires. my friends turbo bug ran a 9.54 fastest et and holds the record as the fastest street legal bug with no fiberglass. right now cant run it anymore without a new chasis being built cause its too fast.

edit: link to magazine article http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/features/0104vwt_street_legal_1968_volkswagen_beetle_ragtop/

I find this hard to believe! Forty six people, 12.85% absolutley hate this bike. The damn thing has not even been made yet! This is why HD cannot offer a bike with any semblance of performance. And, this is also the reason why Sportsters are viewed as an entry level bike to get you in the HD club! When I bought my Sportster, I bought in spite of the fact that it was a Harley Davidson. It was the only HD that I would consider buying. I don't want a Pig Twin! And, I don't think that a Sportster should be a baby Pig Twin! Today, there is not one single bike that the MOCO offers that I would even consider buying. I might buy a new XR if they loose the rubber mounts, upgrade the engine, suspension and brakes, and loose about a hundred pounds. Something else to consider, I'm a 52 year old man that thinks that HD needs a performance bike. How many 25 year olds would even look at the MOCO's current offerings?

I find this hard to believe! Forty six people, 12.85% absolutley hate this bike. The damn thing has not even been made yet!
And because it has not been made yet all we have to make our comments about is a few pictures and some technical info.

I find the flowing lines of the Storz bike more attractive.
The tank flows into the seat and the tail section looks just right.
I also find the Storz exhaust system a lot more attractive than the offering on the HD XR.
That is just my personal taste.

http://www.storzperf.com/images/XR-1200lr.jpg


http://thekneeslider.com/images/xr1200new.jpg

Beauty is in they eye of the beholder and what some people find attractive others will not.

The world would be a pretty boring place if we all liked the same things. :)

I agree the flow from the tank to the seat could be much cleaner. Still its a prototype so we will have to see what it looks like when it goes to production.

I find the flowing lines of the Storz bike more attractive.
The tank flows into the seat and the tail section looks just right.
I also find the Storz exhaust system a lot more attractive than the offering on the HD XR.


i like the tailight of the storz bike better but the tail looks flimsy. i dont like the tank. storz exhaust is nicer but still chrome.
the storz bike is like 25k.
the storz bike looks a bit more agressive cause its lower
lastly is the storz bike is still a kit bike. anything that may break would need to be ordered through them.


edit: storz bike doesnt have indicators or mirrors. has cleaner look but cant ride like that

I have a 1966 Vespa with no mirrors or indicators, i doesn't have a braking like on the front brake too. I can tell you riding it doesn'y feel that with cars behind you.

@ lagerdrinker: Techtonics is founded by Darrel Vittone, Joe's son. Joe began in the fifities with Economotors importing cheap European cars and bikes. He was one of the first VW dealers in the US. Later he founded EMPI wich ran a series of dragrace bugs called the Inch Pincher. He ran low 11's with his bug in the early seventies.

I'am undecided the looks can be changed in time to meet individual taste, but if they are going to produce a sport/sporty bike like this I would like to know how this bike compares to bikes in it's class. I would have to ride one, my sport bike made my hands to numb after an hour.

I'm an H-D of many years. Even raced my own XR-750 for awhile. But the truth must be told. The XR-750 was decisively beaten. First by Kenny Roberts on a TZ-700 two stroke four. So the AMA, under heavy lobbying from H-D banned multis. Then by Honda. They tried a buncha stuff,includung multis and had no luck. Honda bought an XR, took it home and studied it and figured out how to improve the design. The Honda RS-750 was an OHC V-twin four valver. Ricky Graham brought home the national title on one several times in the late 1980's. On the mile tracks the RS had better topend than the best prepped XR's. It was faster.Several other H-D riders defected as well and Harley had a real challenge on it's hands. They really couldn't ask the AMA to ban a V-twin!

As Harley had done before,they lobbied the AMA and got a restrictor plate rule for the intakes. Honda had proved their point, which was to win the last remaining form of racing they had not dominated and defeat H-D on their own turf-dirt track. I think they had enough of the Harley-AMA scene. They left factory sponsored dirt track and all support for the RS slowly dried up. The bikes were raced by privateers for a few years but it has faded into history.

Racing is and always has been about politics and cheating as much as having the best equipment and people. There's more than one way to win. If practically the whole field is sportin' brand X, then surely brand X will have a very good win record,no? And if the privateers start beating the factory boys...hire 'em! Somewhat oversimplified but this is why flattrack has stagnated so badly. There's no Marque competition. They don't allow it. It's a defacto spec class like IROC. To race the mile you have to join the black and orange club. I think Dick O'brien would disapprove.

And on an entirely different note: The XR1200 exhaust many find ghastly is big and long for a reason. Sure, some tidy little megs like Storz used would be cool. BUT if you gotta meet an 80db limit and you want some poop, you gotta have some big internal volume in the system. A small quiet system would choke it badly. Like a stock Dyna. Black pipes would be nice......The more I look at those pics the worse it gets. I know I will want an XR1200 when I see one in 3D. Could be a fun scooter.

The TZ 700 Was banned because it was going to kill someone. (To quote Kenny Roberts "They don't pay me enough to ride that thing")

The AMA ordered restrictor plates on BOTH the RS-750 and the XR-750. THe miles were getting too fast, HD had Pieter Zylestra working up an Overhead cam XR, and everyone was afraid of a spending war. It was a mistake we know now, but we're stuck with it. O'Brian sure did'nt want it.

Have you noticed the Suzukies in Flattrack lately? 1000cc unrestricted twins, slowly working up, not quite up to the XRs yet though. And the XRs are still running restrictors.

Multi's have never worked on the dirt. The TZs lone win was a self admitted fluke, and KR never regretted it being outlawed.

Case in point. Back in my foolish youth, a fellow fool challenged me to a race, my pedestrian 883 against his CBR 600 (17 years ago called a Hurricane)

Fine I said, but I get to pick the place. He agreed.

So he met me at a 3/8ths mile dirt track. Poor fool never made it thru the first turn . . .:tour

the rules are put in place to make things equal. racing a flathead twin against a ohc inline four isnt a contest so engines are given more displacement to make up for the loss.
my guess is that dirttrack racing is a grassroots sport where anyone can build a competetive bike. honda bringing a purpose built 4valve per cylinder v-twin sounds like they went over the top as far as trying to go head to head. most racing is broken into classes with any extra bumping into next higher class. lets face it, honda is a large company that can afford to do whatever it takes to win. so they proved they could beat an xr on dirt. big whoop, a multivalve head has higher top end than a 2 valve head. why didnt they bring out a two valve head and beat harley in a true head to head fasion? they might have beaten harley but does anyone care?

Lawwill spanked a lot of XR's on his old KR. There's more to it than just engine design.

Which, in a really broad turn, brings us back on topic, Kev and I have eluded too and Stevo so plainly said, this bike is about YOU. None of the other stuff matters. If it talks to you and works for you then it's the best bike ever.

Lawwill spanked a lot of XR's on his old KR. There's more to it than just engine design.




not gonna argue that, im just saying that design of engine will give weight breaks or displacement breaks. thats why you see larger displacent ducs racing against 600cc bikes. trying to even things out.

I find this hard to believe! Forty six people, 12.85% absolutley hate this bike. The damn thing has not even been made yet! This is why HD cannot offer a bike with any semblance of performance. And, this is also the reason why Sportsters are viewed as an entry level bike to get you in the HD club! When I bought my Sportster, I bought in spite of the fact that it was a Harley Davidson. It was the only HD that I would consider buying. I don't want a Pig Twin! And, I don't think that a Sportster should be a baby Pig Twin! Today, there is not one single bike that the MOCO offers that I would even consider buying. I might buy a new XR if they loose the rubber mounts, upgrade the engine, suspension and brakes, and loose about a hundred pounds. Something else to consider, I'm a 52 year old man that thinks that HD needs a performance bike. How many 25 year olds would even look at the MOCO's current offerings?


On the one hand you condem people for hating a bike that they haven't seen in real life yet, but YOU wouldn't consider the XR unless they loose the rubbermounts :doh :banadanc

I know rubbermounting the sporty was sometimes a polarizing issue, but the VAST majority of the public agrees it took a niche bike with severe limitations in comfort to most riders and made it a bike with all-around abilities. Maybe more of a jack-of-all trades and master of none, but Sportys are currently selling at historically high numbers. The proof's in the pudding.

And frankly, I don't see a single reason NOT to rubbermount an XR.

K