I'm starting to hear more specific things about the XR1200.

Like a weight of 540 lbs.

That's pretty specific.

From where are these specs coming? I can't find any links on the XR mini sight that provide them?

Anyone?

K

As I said, I got those specs from the new Motorcyclist mag, if I'm the people your are referring too. Your post was right below mine." XR 1200 go ahead" I think you were too busy giving advice to see it, or .........

As I said, I got those specs from the new Motorcyclist mag, if I'm the people your are referring too. Your post was right below mine." XR 1200 go ahead"

AHHHHH, yes, that's where it was. THANKS MANG


I see it now. In the new Motorcyclist mag. it has a good write up with some specs. I think this is already common knowledge but, weight-540# lightened crankshaft, beefier bottom-end bearings, increased compression, trans moved outward for 180 tire and 85-90 hp. the article didn't mention the forks but they are better too. And of course the new air induction system. They say maybe we will see it here in 08. Hope so, looks like fun.

What other specs did they print? Is that issue on the newstands now? I don't usually buy bike mags, but I could make an exception.


I think you were too busy giving advice to see it, or .........

What advice? That wasn't an advice thread?

I was probably being a bit of a wise ass (no surprise there right), but I'd just forgotten who'd said what about where they'd gotten the specs!

Thanks for straightening me out!!! I appreciate it!

Kev

I believe it is the January issue. If I remember correctly it is a one page thing. I can try and scan it in this afternoon when I get home from work.

To good to post only once.... from another thread::

I think you meant to say the footpeg mounts are good for 10 lbs... and still, I am not convinced. Looking at the rear sets in the photos Bert posted, they look like black-painted steel castings to me.

Wheels would ideally be good for 20 lbs, but this assumes those wheels are made as well as similar wheels from Brembo, Marchesini, etc, as used by Triumph, Ducati, inter al.

I think I see maybe 25 lbs saved from looking at the photos. We'll see though.

Woo-hoo!!! I am so smart...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNcXV5_juq0

Yes I was giving you crap Kev, someone has to give some crap to "El Maquino" the information machine.;) Not much more specs really than that. It is on the news stands and the thing that got my attention was the weight, cause I'd not seen that mentioned before anywhere and didn't know if I was alone in not seeing it. Ride safe guys.

I believe it is the January issue. If I remember correctly it is a one page thing. I can try and scan it in this afternoon when I get home from work.


That would rock!

To good to post only once.... from another thread::

Originally Posted by cleger
I think you meant to say the footpeg mounts are good for 10 lbs... and still, I am not convinced. Looking at the rear sets in the photos Bert posted, they look like black-painted steel castings to me.

Wheels would ideally be good for 20 lbs, but this assumes those wheels are made as well as similar wheels from Brembo, Marchesini, etc, as used by Triumph, Ducati, inter al.

I think I see maybe 25 lbs saved from looking at the photos. We'll see though.

Woo-hoo!!! I am so smart...



I know, I don't mind eating some crow on the weight (especially since Chris H sent me some hot sauce to put over it!), but damn I really did want to see this a little lighter ya know!!!

Good call though, I mean, accurate call. ;)

Yes I was giving you crap Kev, someone has to give some crap to "El Maquino" the information machine.;) Not much more specs really than that. It is on the news stands and the thing that got my attention was the weight, cause I'd not seen that mentioned before anywhere and didn't know if I was alone in not seeing it. Ride safe guys.


Feel free to give me all the crap you deem necessary, but try not to do it when you're the bearing of such bad news as that weight eh? :( ;)

I know, I don't mind eating some crow on the weight (especially since Chris H sent me some hot sauce to put over it!), but damn I really did want to see this a little lighter ya know!!!

Good call though, I mean, accurate call. ;)

HD is too easy to anticipate - you know they went to Australia for those wheels.

It's like they do with brakes... it's not like Nissin can't make top-shelf stuff, but Harley has to get involved.

I can picture the scene in the office where the engineer was drawing the wheels (because I've been there.) Manager is standing in the cubicle door with a cup of coffee, saying "Yeah, umm, we're going to need you to go ahead and put another 10 lbs back on those wheels. Each," whilst said engineer replays his favorite violent fantasies in his head.

Feel free to give me all the crap you deem necessary, but try not to do it when you're the bearing of such bad news as that weight eh? :( ;)
Like I and most have said the weight really is the bigger issue to me. I keep seeing these articles on the new BMW R1200R and S model and it is amazing what the Germans have done, I know it's apples to oranges but you have to wonder, what if.

Even more "amazing," look at the Ducati S2R 1000. $10K, and at under 400 lbs, it's over 40 lbs lighter than the BMW, and 140 lbs lighter than the Harley. More power than BMW or Harley, and better chassis too.

HD or BMW could match the S2R, it just isn't among their design goals. They know their market.

Manager is standing in the cubicle door with a cup of coffee, saying "Yeah, umm, we're going to need you to go ahead and put another 10 lbs back on those wheels. Each," whilst said engineer replays his favorite violent fantasies in his head.

"yeah, uhhh, I'm gonna need you to go ahead and get me those tps reports..." :doh

I might be stoopid, but my Norton 750 Combat Commando officially weighed 388 pounds, dry weight, according to the manual.

The Commando consistantly whupp'd the Sportster back then because of weight/HP

Here I was thinking that we were in the day-and-age of lightweight space-age materials.

Guess I just don't 'get it'.

I might be stoopid, but my Norton 750 Combat Commando officially weighed 388 pounds, dry weight, according to the manual.

The Commando consistantly whupp'd the Sportster back then because of weight/HP

Here I was thinking that we were in the day-and-age of lightweight space-age materials.

Guess I just don't 'get it'.

I guess it comes down to priorities. And sadly, Harley isn't making weight a priority.

They can obviously do it, ala Buell City X 390 lbs, but no, it's not a priority with the Sportster line or the XR :frownone

I might be stoopid, but my Norton 750 Combat Commando officially weighed 388 pounds, dry weight, according to the manual.

The Commando consistantly whupp'd the Sportster back then because of weight/HP

Here I was thinking that we were in the day-and-age of lightweight space-age materials.

Guess I just don't 'get it'.

That Combat motor was a 10,000 mile grenade but it had the Sporty covered even without the (then) 70-80lb weight difference between it and the XLCH, and in the twisties there was no contest! Ah, what a cafe racer the Norton was with all of the Paul Dunstall accessories tacked on! I do wish that H-D made a 1200 XLCHR today as I'd like to knock 50 lbs off by replacing the electric start with a kicker and a smaller battery. Of course, then, I wouldn't be able to sell it when the time comes. Unfortunately the Sporty weighs about 100 lbs more today than it did back then, mainly due to the electric start and the heavy frame of the rubber mount bikes. Well, at least H-D did graduate to the space age idea of an all steel frame and dispensed with the cast iron pieces!

Dan

I guess it comes down to priorities. And sadly, Harley isn't making weight a priority.

They can obviously do it, ala Buell City X 390 lbs, but no, it's not a priority with the Sportster line or the XR :frownone
Thank you, Kev. Thought I might be getting dumber. :) :doh

Question, though.

Isn't there a lot more iron that can be replaced by better lightweight carbon-fibers or just plain modern plastics?

390 Lbs rocks. Do it !!!:banana

Be very skeptical of factory published weight figures.

I'd like to knock 50 lbs off by replacing the electric start with a kicker and a smaller battery.Dan

Dan, thank you.

Whatever did happen to the old kick-starter?

I look for them today, but alas, poor Yorick, those are days of yore...

What happened to days gone by when whatever else failed, you could always jump on your kick starter and make a clean escape?

How much weight would an aluminium-alloy kick-start and one tranny gear add to the overall scheme of things?

NADA, IMHO.

I think it would be kewl (modern tech lanuage for 'cool') to go outside a bar, market, whatever, stand up straight an jump on it and make it fire. Not just plain fire, an awesome fire-breathing beast like no one else has at the moment.

Color me an old kick-start fan/fossil.

Regards,
Bob G

Thank you, Kev. Thought I might be getting dumber. :) :doh

Question, though.

Isn't there a lot more iron that can be replaced by better lightweight carbon-fibers or just plain modern plastics?

390 Lbs rocks. Do it !!!:banana

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda thing.

Look at some of the negative comments people here posted about the XR.

They don't like the bodywork, looks too plasticy. Well shyte, I'd take a little plastic to loose some weight on this bike. But most Harley owners won't. Of course, I'd retort that this isn't a typical Harley owner bike and perhaps the new crop they are wooing would be cool with it.

I think to answer your question, look to the Storz bike. I believe they shed nearly 100 lbs of the bike with the kit.

How?

Chain drive, body work, pegs... not sure what else, but dang... basically a lot of stuff that Harley isn't willing to do. And then again, the Storz pieces come to 20-30k so what does it matter.

I would still love to see this bike in the 450 lbs range, or AT LEAST sub 500... :frownone