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rottenralph
27th March 2005, 15:11
Day one. 26 March 2005 @ 1800 the project begins. I decided I would post a step by step on how my new seat is progressing. I have already drilled out the rivets on my gunfighter and will cut the seat pan up and make it into a solo seat and a P-pad. I am also going to trim away quite a bit of padding to get a low profile seat out of this. Here is the first of many photos to come. I started tooling in the image yesterday. I have spent 2 hours so far messing with this seat. I have learned that not only can you dye the leather but you can also hand paint with acrylics to get a better image. I am going to give a shot to combining both techniques of which I have no experience. I just know in the end it is going to look great thanks to the guidance of one great seat maker that gives tips on another site. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/bike_247.jpg

GRAYFEATHER
27th March 2005, 15:18
YOU use a nother site shame shame shame on you :D :D :D :D

Grayfeather.

PS nice looking project that

txsporty
27th March 2005, 15:44
Lookin Good Ralph!!!

Can't wait to see it done!!!

rottenralph
27th March 2005, 16:04
That is where I go for true inspiration. Such as these seats. Ever seen anything like this here. The guys here actually give tips and help when you ask. They are master painter, seat makers and and chopper gods. http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost/data/3100/7525rn8.jpg or something like this. http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost/data/500/3031HD_Backreat_1-med.jpg

or this maybe.http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost/data/500/3031M_cross_colored-med.jpg

vetthed
27th March 2005, 16:43
Hey Ralph, I see your seat is laying on a green towel. I buy colored towels to dry my bike and cars to match the paint so any lint from the towel is the same color as the paint. Just wondering if your as wierd as I am.

Broncodog
27th March 2005, 16:50
Hey Ralph, I see your seat is laying on a green towel. I buy colored towels to dry my bike and cars to match the paint so any lint from the towel is the same color as the paint. Just wondering if your as wierd as I am.
:laugh :laugh :laugh What a cool idea!!! :clap ..................but yer still wierd :p

rottenralph
27th March 2005, 17:03
The towl is so I don't scratch the table and killed by my wife before I am done. But your idea is good. You should sell towels on home shopping network and call it the miracle shiner. Their are lots of people that would probably buy one. Here is the next step. More tooling to balance out the image. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/medium/bike_248.jpg

rottenralph
27th March 2005, 21:32
I added some additional work to finnish up the tooling. I think this is all the seat needs. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/medium/bike_249.jpg

Now comes the part I am worried about. I am going to dye the leather today, oil it and seal it. Tommorow I will highlight with the acrylic paints seal it again and be done.

dwardy
27th March 2005, 22:43
I'm impressed. That looks badass. I can't wait to see the finished product.

xllent01
27th March 2005, 23:20
The seat is looking good, :D To bad you couldn't put
that seat up on springs. Now that would be cool:yikes

Everett
27th March 2005, 23:44
so far so good. looking good

rottenralph
28th March 2005, 00:44
Here comes the dye. I mixed the yellow into the red so when it dries it should giv a nice effect but It is a crap shoot right now. I also wish I would have started the dyeing process in the middle first. No to the spring idea. I want it to sit really low and that would defeat the purpose. Springs look great on the right kind of frame but this is not that frame. Atleast not to me.


http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/bike_251.jpg

RedRider
28th March 2005, 00:47
Lookin' good Ralph! Can't wait to see the finished product! (Bet you can't either :D )

rottenralph
28th March 2005, 06:36
Phase one is complete. I just have to seal it and punch the holes for the lacing and then I am going to cut the sides and get this seat done so I can start on the p-pad. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/medium/bike_252.jpg

GRAYFEATHER
28th March 2005, 06:40
Looking good

Grayfeather.

SkippyRay
28th March 2005, 17:35
Ralf,
What is the web site you use I would like to do the same to mine. Need help and tips though

rottenralph
28th March 2005, 18:33
www.clubchopper.com. if you are at work don't go there. They have many photos of lovely naked women and it might not be good at work. They even have bikes in the gallery too. Here is the how to link that will show how Indian Larry's guy makes seats. Good Read. http://www.bikernet.com/news/newsarch.asp?article=053103

Kelley
28th March 2005, 19:54
www.clubchopper.com. Here is the how to link that will show how Indian Larry's guy makes seats. Good Read. http://www.bikernet.com/news/newsarch.asp?article=053103
Great read........They make it look so easy, but that's how a true craftsman is. One of these days I would like to do something like that, been many years since I've done some leather tooling

rottenralph
28th March 2005, 22:30
Well, I learned my first lesson I did not want to learn. Always measure your leather after the seat base is prepared. I will loose a good bit of the flames on the sides because the gunfighter reshaped is a lot smaller then the original cover. Here is a pic. of the seat pan after I cut up the donor gunfighter I had that need a new cover anyway. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/bike_253.jpg

xllent01
28th March 2005, 22:49
The seat looks awesome, great job, love the look.

Have you thought about any quick rain storms in the summer
time. Will the dyes wash away, or are they water resistant at all?
Or just keep a plastic bag in your pocket when needed:yikes

rottenralph
28th March 2005, 23:39
The seat will be as waterproof as any other seat. It will get sealant on it that is supposed to keep the dye and paint in. Under the leather there will be a naugahide insert that is waterproof. It should ride and wear just fine.

Deicer18
28th March 2005, 23:42
Ralph, it really is looking good. Sorry about the mis-size of the leather though. I know you will figure it out. Since I live in Olive Brench I would like to see it in person when you get it finished. BTW, I am scheduled to pick my new 1200C up at Bumpus-Collierville either tomorrow or Wednesday.

So if you would like to show it, I would be happy to cantact you soon for a look and possible ride.

SkippyRay
30th March 2005, 02:17
Thanks Ralf, Great site!!!!

SkippyRay
30th March 2005, 02:18
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM boooooobbies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rottenralph
2nd April 2005, 06:19
Well, here it is. I am done. About 15 hours and about 50-75 dollars worth of leather and dyes one old corbin gunfighter and I have the slim line seat I had to have. I will begin work on the P-pad next. I learned that making and covering a seat is not as easy as it looks. I also know that it is not something I will do to make extra money. I spent too many hours to make the 100 bucks most people would be willing to pay. I now know whay people pay $1000 for a personalized seat. It takes a lot of time and make your hands raw. Here are the pics. The profile is 1 inch high so it has to be the lowest sporty seat out there. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/bike_255.jpg

http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/bike_256.jpg

txsporty
2nd April 2005, 06:49
Ralph

That's Bitchin Lookin Seat!!!!! :clap :clap :clap

Job WELL Done!!!! :D

rottenralph
2nd April 2005, 15:33
Txsporty, I will be on the lookout for more rough gunfighters. The seat pan is really thick and easy to rivet in the end. I will cover the HD pillow next but I am a little nervous about the plastic pan. I is stapled and that seems a little flimsy to me. I will probably use pop rivets. I am going to make covers for my grips and a p-pad next. That should take a few days. First I will finnish my wiring this weekend so I can take it for a spin. This seat is nice and low like I wanted it. Here is the view from the side. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/bike_265.jpg

txsporty
2nd April 2005, 17:43
Ralph

That seat looks Awesome on your Scoot!! :clap :clap

How does your Butt like it??? :D

rottenralph
2nd April 2005, 18:59
Don't know yet. As soon as my son goes down for his nap I am heading to my room(garage) and finishing up the wiring and installing my new taillight. I just don't like the one I made. I imagine about four hours from now I will know. I still have to seal the seat anyway. I just wanted the leather to really dry. It has to be wet when pulled over the padding or it won't stretch enough to fit. It was a really good project. I will do my ppad next weekend. No hurry on that because I have not carried a passenger since my wife was pregnant with my 4 year old daughter. I also have to figure out what to do with the hole in my fender where the other seat mounts. I sure wish someone made cool patch kits like a maltest cross or something to cover the hole and decorate up the back.

rottenralph
7th April 2005, 02:54
Here is a pic of the underside if you are interested in knowing what it looks like. http://xlforum.net/photopost/data/500/bike_267.jpg

rottenralph
19th April 2005, 04:15
I took my first ride on the new seat and it felt fine. It is a little slippery still. I will just have to wear it in a bit. Overall it is a nice fit and cozy.

rottenralph
5th June 2005, 17:41
I have ridden on it now for a month and it is great. No more slipping around and it survived the first soaking in the afternoon gully washer. I am going to start my grip covers next. Should soften up the vibes a little.

xllent01
5th June 2005, 17:48
Ralph,
How much you charge to tool a black seat seat with
flames in it?

rottenralph
5th June 2005, 17:59
X, I only did it for fun. It ended up being a lot more work shan I expected. I am not ready to do it for money. Are you talking about a solo or the one on your bike. I used the seat pan I had because the shape was easy to work with. The more complicated curves the harder it is. I have a H.D. solo here I am gonna do next. Just not that excited about there plastic bases. I will make it wok. I had know particular idea in mind so send me a photo of something similar. Go to www.clubchopper.com and heck out the seatbuilder section. That is where I got my ideas and tips.

xllent01
5th June 2005, 18:10
Something like this would be nice. Found this on a
search on ebay. I would like to do a solo seat
similar to the one pictured.





http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/33/a1/6e_1_b.JPG

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/2e/22/01_1_b.JPG

rottenralph
5th June 2005, 18:22
That is what I will do with the solo I have here then. What year is your bike, I will make sure it fits first. Want anything else on it. That design is really simple.

xllent01
5th June 2005, 18:37
That is what I will do with the solo I have here then. What year is your bike, I will make sure it fits first. Want anything else on it. That design is really simple.

My bike is a 01 1200c, If the seat you have doesn't fit my bike
i could find a used one on ebay and send it to you. I'm not
sure if they changed the frame design from your bike to the
01 models. Let me know what you think.

Just looking for that same pattern as pictured, no colors, just
plain black with the flames.

rottenralph
5th June 2005, 18:48
Take a look at this thread. In the middle somewhere the builder does some 3D looking flames. That is really what I would like to try with them overlpping each other. Really looks great when it is done. The design maintains the simplicity you are looking for but adds a bunch to the overall look. The also have a seat builbers phot album in the site lots to look at. http://www.clubchopper.com/t5858.html

xllent01
5th June 2005, 19:27
The leather work on that site is just amazing

to say the least.

The flame design overlapping and being 3D would be
really cool. Maybe just coloring in the flames and leaving
everything else black might be a option also. Just trying
to keep it simple and trying to throw out some ideas.

rottenralph
5th June 2005, 23:56
Isn't that the truth. That guy can do anything with a bike or a seat. The nicest part is he will answer every question you have about doing it yourself. I learned a lot on that forum before I started the seat.

xllent01
7th June 2005, 04:10
Ralph,
How hard would it be to do a design like the one shown?
Found this on another search for leather seats.:yikes





http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/00/7d/7d_12_b.JPG

rottenralph
7th June 2005, 04:18
I know it is a lot easier than the joker I did. I will find a flame job that is worthy of your bike and post it by this weekend. That looks like crap I think. I saw one before on club chop that had the flames that looked laid over other flames. I will find it and post it. It looks great but it does not look gawdy or over the tope. I think I understand what you want and I will find it.

xllent01
7th June 2005, 04:25
Cool , looking foward to seeing it.

rottenralph
7th June 2005, 04:58
How about something like this. I need a closeup of your flames because they should have the same shape to look good on your bike. Please post some real closeups so I can download and print to use as a template. I have to finnish my grip covers first then I will start on the seat. I needed something to do anyway. I am looking forward to trying this. This is better but still not what I am going to try. I know what it needs to look like I just can't find what I am looking for.http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost/data/3100/1029bigdog1-med.jpg

rottenralph
7th June 2005, 05:16
this is really cool but too over the top for your taste. I guess I will have to do this aother time. http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost/data/500/30311_copy1-med.jpg

xllent01
8th June 2005, 03:17
This seat is pretty sweet, looking over at
http://www.chopperweb.net and they have a
whole gallery of seats on line.

http://www.chopperweb.net/gallery/data/522/2325skulls_and_flames_copy.jpg

xllent01
8th June 2005, 03:32
How about something like this. I need a closeup of your flames because they should have the same shape to look good on your bike. Please post some real closeups so I can download and print to use as a template. I have to finnish my grip covers first then I will start on the seat. I needed something to do anyway. I am looking forward to trying this. This is better but still not what I am going to try. I know what it needs to look like I just can't find what I am looking for.[QUOTE]

I've been on my painters ass for the last 3 weeks to get my new paint
completed. By the looks of it he has changed the flames by overlapping
them {better look} and making them longer to follow the curves of the tank
and fenders.

He told me he would be done soon, all he had left was to stripe the flames
and get them clear coated again. So i have not seen the final product yet.
Hopefully before the weekend i can shoot you a photo of the new paint and
send it over. :yikes

rottenralph
8th June 2005, 03:37
I think a combo of the two would be good. I don't like the skulls actually in the flames. I think it looks like it was a mistake. The one two up has a great background design and the flames would be shaped like the one on you bike. I also like the ridge on the flames because it can be accented with a little color. I have blue dye and I think it can be done with style and not over the top. I think I can do whatever the design is. The coloring is the hard part but I think you want to keep that part simple. I am ready to try anything out. I wanted to do something interesting and the combo of these two seats above would be interesting. I can't wait till you agree to some color. Look long enough and you will. My seat gets more compliments then anything else on my bike because there aren't any like it at bike night here in Memphis. I will start cutting the seat up in the garage and get it ready. It is going to be thin but comfy. I have to have it sort of flat so the cover fits well.

rottenralph
8th June 2005, 03:39
Is it gonna be blue again?????

xllent01
8th June 2005, 03:54
A combo of the two would be nice, i will leave the design
of the flames up to you. Looking at the the color in the
seats would grab your eye faster than just a plain dark seat
would.
The bike is going to be blue again, but i dont know how dark
or light it will be. Hopefully pretty close to what i have now.
A colored blue flame would set it off really nice, just something
more to look at and be a little different from all the other bikes
out there.

rottenralph
8th June 2005, 04:11
The coloring is easy to pick after the design is done. I will start working on it this weekend. I am gonna send myself a copy of both seats and increase the size and then go from there. This should be a fun project I just don't know how long it will take. You already have a seat so I am going to take my time and do it right. Do you want it laced or sewn. I have a friend with a sewing machine for leather. I prefer lacing but that is a personal choice. Let me know.

xllent01
8th June 2005, 04:29
A hand tooled seat should be laced up, Do you have all
the punches to make the holes for the lacing?

rottenralph
8th June 2005, 04:38
I have a squeeze style punch with 6 sizes on it. It is exactly what the docktor ordered. I may eventually restitch my seat. I prefer the crisscross pattern but I only figured out how the stitch works . You don't feel the stitching when you ride. I will have to seal mine once more as well. It was rain tested and did pretty good but got a little wet. LEarn something new every time. It was a gully washer so it did well.