Okay, so the thread about "What's Next" really got me thinking. I know what I want to do next, but just like everybody else in here, that's limited severely by both time and money. So now, I want everybody to type out what they would want for thier dream Sportster Cafe Racer. Keep in mind that time and money is no object, but for some realm of reality we'll have a few guidelines:

-Lets try to use Sportster Frames, but they can be modified
-We should stick to XL Engines, but modified as you see fit
-Non-existant parts can be fabricated, but keep them realisitic (Something like a custom exhaust is allowed, but try to stay away from such ventures as DOHC Heads, as cool as they'd be)

I think that leaves things pretty wide open. So being this was my awsome idea, I'll go first:

DRIVETRAIN
Engine:
-NHRS Stage 3 heads with dual-plugs
-Stock Bore (1200 is just a "magic" number to me...) with 10.75:1 Compression
-Adjustable Pushrods
-Collapsable Pushrod Tubes
-"Eighty-Six" the Front Sproket Cover
-Mill the Cam Cover (something like an XR-750 look)
-EPFI Fuel Injection System-Seperate intake manifolds for front and rear cylinders, with Forcewinder air cleaners on each side of the motor(tell me that doesn't sound badass)
-Looking for around 120-130 hp

Transmission:
-Baker 6-speed
-convert to chain-drive
-Taller rear sprocket with brass gears (front and rear)

Primary:
-Stock chain-drive

CHASSIS
Suspension
-Ohlins Rear Shock Type 36-PRCLB
-Ohlins front Forks Type FG-470

Brakes(not sure of brands):
-Triple-disc setup with 6 piston calipers and floating rotors (must have brass hubs)

Wheels and Tires:
-13-spoke Alumium-alloy (polished) 19" front, 18" rear
-Metzeler ME 55A Tires

Controls:
-Rearset pegs and controls
-Clip-on handlebars with undergrip mirrors

BODYWORK
Custom Pieces:
-Chin Spoiler
-Storz "Road Racer" Solo Seat Pan
-High Exit 2:2 exhaust, 1 pipe on each side

Finishes:
-Eingine: Silver powdercaot with highlighted black cylinders (matte finsh)
-Frame: Graphite grey metallic powdercoat (high gloss)
-Paint: Pearlescent White (matte) with Candy Red offset racing stripes (gloss)

Obviously I'm forgetting a tone of stuff, like I'm sure the stock clutch aint gonna cut it, and of course there will be little billet aluminum pieces throughout.

Okay...So let's see what you can come up with!!!

I'd love to have a mid 80s 500cc two stroke repli-racer. Sorry.... non-HD.

I built mine, It is a 93 sportster with a lot of green stuff. Just the way I always pictured it.

I'm going to Break the Rules!!!

My Dream Bike would be:

90-100 horse Sporty Motor
Rigid Frame
Chain Drive
Springer
MidNight Blue Metallic with Ghost flames
Drag Bars
100 spoke stainless wheels, 150x16 rear, 16" front

Nothing real Fancy, just a sleeper Bar Hopper!!!! :D

To be completely honest, I happy with my new XL1200C the way she is and yes I do add things here and there. But I think HD did a great job this time. If anything, I'd like a 100hp engine and a better suspension. :D

I'm going to Break the Rules!!!

My Dream Bike would be:

90-100 horse Sporty Motor
Rigid Frame
Chain Drive
Springer
MidNight Blue Metallic with Ghost flames
Drag Bars
100 spoke stainless wheels, 150x16 rear, 16" front

Nothing real Fancy, just a sleeper Bar Hopper!!!! :D

Hi TXsporty

You chose my dream machine not worried about the motor too much tho, change the colour to purple and matt black, and 6" over black drags and I'm there

Gordy

2 bikes..

and I'm building 'em

My sporty as it's comin together

88" Millenium barels and pistons
S&S roller rockers
Andrews N9 cams (initially then bigger later)
MAJOR headwork and bigger valves
V-Thunder adjustable pushrods
S&S travel limiters
S&S Supreme rod set
custom wrap around head tube oil cooler
Blueprinted gearbox
Barnett extra plate clutch pack and heavy spring
520 chain drive and aloy rear sprocket
Custom made rear sets
Custom bikini fairing and 2 mini spotlights
GSXR 1000 dash/tacho/speedo
Custom fork brace
Ohlins steering dampner
Dual 4 spot Brembo front brakes
Cut down rear guard
custom made 2-1 exhaust
custom paint (black of course)


that's most of what I have for that one...a few things may change as it goes together.


No2

Full pro street hard tail frame made by me
custom made tinware to suit
upside down front end

motor similar to above BUT
offset drive
wiiiiiiide rear tire 240+

lean clean low fast and black :tour

My Sporty with a complete fairing... like no one makes.

One week its a 70ties chopper, the next week a cafe racer, third week a dirt bike, fourth week a 'normal' sporty .....
I stopped thinking about a dream bike. Such a bike just not exists!!!! :smoke

I've always wanted an early Evo sporty crankcase fitted with a UL flathead topend. Finally put enough meat in the bottom end to find the upper limit of the much maligned flathead.

Since I've been doing alot of work on archaic 4 cam flatheads lately, I've been doin' some measuring.

So here's the list.

S&S custom cases with Flathead Power topend. 90 CI (3.575 x 4.500)
Auto advancing magneto
Kick start retrofit kit
Twin tunnel rammed Mk1.5 Amals (manifold by yours truly)
WL 45 tanks.
Ridged frame with suspended solo seat. (chopper style with a bit of "cush")
180 rear / 19" front
WL 45 springer front with shock, 34 degree total rake. double disks up front.
Custom controls high and tight so I can get a good lean angle

Bobbed out in "old school" style as far as the sheet metal goes.
(I'm not much on the looks, I'm an engine Man!)

Ever seen a 90 mph 45" WL? check out the December Iron Works.

Hud

A turboed 200 plus HP 6 speed otherwise stock looking 1200 sport.

Ditto what 'wickedsprint' said.

In my case, I would like all the parts needed for a fairly big tire on the back, a turbo kit, and a set of lower compression forged pistons that will handle the boost.

I must admit that I have a plan for three dream bikes (still waiting for that magical Powerball ticket though). What I want are:

1. A daily driver...probably a bobber of some sort.
2. A touring machine...something that my wife and I can go for days/weeks on and still be comfortable along with some protection from the elements (fairing, windshield, etc.)
3. An "Oh my God that thing has so much torque it's stupid!" type of bike for rolling short trips with the boys once in awhile.

But, since I can't have all three right now, this'll have to do...

Wow! Lots of good ones in here. I have to second what Ole said, as one bike will not do it all for me. I would need the above mentioned bike for aggressive riding days, but I would also like an old Knucklehead Bobber for the nights on the town. And you can't go wrong with a RoadKing Custom with the matching hard leather TourPak for those long hauls.

Hi TXsporty

You chose my dream machine not worried about the motor too much tho, change the colour to purple and matt black, and 6" over black drags and I'm there

Gordy


Gordy

Love the way a Springer Looks!! Might not be much for ride but with a Bar Hoppin' Hardtail who cares!!! :D

G'day Hud

I'm doin up a UL 1200 at the moment for a customer


My mate Bruce (who has the workshop next door) has an RL that'll do a genuine 100MPH.

The cams in it look like house bricks :wonderlan

G'day Stevo

WR and WLDR flatties are pretty nice pieces, I wish I had some to work with. Those canted valves are for real and in the right direction on the "R" variations.

The 90 mph flatty started out as a standard G engine, servicar fodder. G topend with much modification. Still won't breathe with a WR, and we're running a magneto with static timing - which does take away your topend capability but keeps you from being launched over the handlebars while trying to kick it.

wouldn't we love to have a KR? Yes we would!

I'm green with envy over your UL project! :D


Hud

hudsonater, my ratty flatty would do 85mph in the 70s (fresh rebuild) and its a wla , about the only thing done to it was K pistons and the head dished a bit for clearance. now shes tyred (hasn't been rebuilt since 68) but will still get up to 75ish

I love those side valves (ya think?) and I seen a post on another forum that said flathead power usa will soon be making cases for the "U"s and will be using s&s internals (can you say 96 inches?) wouldn't a new "u" or"ul" be killer ? turque up the ass , I seen a chopped 80" ul bounce the front wheel off the ground "at idle" now thats some power

simple and dependable , I still feel that the flatty is the best motor that "HD" ever produced


oh ya , my dream bike , a 1929 brough superior ss100

Flathead 45,

Yeah, I've been watching the flathead power developement of the new UL cases with much anticipation. With better bearings and oiling, the flathead could definately reach new levels of performance. I'm saving my pennies for sure. Even though the components seem pricey, have you tried buying a UL "pig in the poke" off ebay lately - If ebay has one?

c'mon Flat Head Power! I'm rootin' for those immigrants!

Ironic, the 45 chopper has the same K piston arrangement with some additional decking of the G cylinders to gain all the popup we can get and keep the thickness of the "6" heads acceptable over the piston area. We squeezed about all the torque we can get out of it with a custom manifold. Little bugger will wick up from 15 mph to 90 in high gear. If you are careful and on level ground, it'll even take off in high gear. I was shocked.

I would still like to see the UL married to an Evo Sporty case, and save that bit of weight and rigidity in the process. That would make for one wheel hopping flatty!

Hud

ya , I think a "ul" with modern metals and gaskets would be a dream come true , mate that to a baker 6 speed and "wow"

sure side valves (by design) don't breath as well as top breathers but they do have unreal torque , my wla can run up from almost a stand still in 3rd , and in 1and2 I could almost stay with an 80 shovel in a drag (ok thats like under 45 mph but still quick for a 60 year old)

hell remember the F heads ? with a ricy chip they could get over 100 ,in the 20's
who says old stuff can't run with the big dogs

That is impressive, but only cause harleys have not gotten much faster..lol I also think the side valves are neat as hell.

ya , from a visual stand point the fins on the heads and barrels curve and flow like a sculpture

did you know that more man hours went into making a set of heads for a flatty than the whole head for an old inline 6 chevy head?
and theres no moving parts

Funny thing I already have my dream bike. Who'd a thunk it?!!

I'd love to have a mid 80s 500cc two stroke repli-racer. Sorry.... non-HD.

Crim are you going to Laguna Seca for the MotoGP next summer?

My Sportster with better rear shocks (Works Piggyback $800) and a 100+ HP motor. With that said I'd also like to Café an FXD or even a Road King.

Would like to have an FXR with saddle bags and all to make longer rides on. I would kill for an XR-750 converted over for street use. A Sportster version of the Captain American chopper from Easy Rider would be cool as hell also. Not quite as long a set of forks but definetly the paint job and super long sissy bar.

Gordy

Love the way a Springer Looks!! Might not be much for ride but with a Bar Hoppin' Hardtail who cares!!! :D

Hi Ya TX

Not sure about bar hoppin I'd want to ride it across Europe :tour

Besides my Sporty, Triumph /Vetter Hurricane

Gordy,

Would Love to make that trip with you!!! :D

Been one of my dreams to go back to Europe and tour it on a Motorcycle!!! :D

For pure unobtanium in the States.....Yamaha RZ500. I had a 350 yrs ago. Used to smoke the Ninja 600s and Interceptor 750s in heads up light to light drag races. I can still remember the looks on their faces when they noticed the RZ350 on the lower cowl.

It is tough to pick just one, because I have a list a mile long of all the bikes I want. An XR-750 dirt track racer or a Norvin cafe racer are at the top of that list though.

One week its a 70ties chopper, the next week a cafe racer, third week a dirt bike, fourth week a 'normal' sporty .....
I stopped thinking about a dream bike. Such a bike just not exists!!!! :smoke
I can't agree more with this....it's the same way that I am! Though I would like a Hayabusa too...just to scare the crap out of me once in a while ;)

Crim are you going to Laguna Seca for the MotoGP next summer?

Sadly, no. Too many kids, too many tasks. I might try to do Vintage Days at Mid Ohio.

For pure unobtanium in the States.....Yamaha RZ500.

It is possible to get one in the states. Gotta get a Canuckian version.

But still the question of registration. Here is a shot of my ol' 350 giant killer.

With each paycheck I get closer to finishing my dream bike!

--Sean

I love my Sporty, but this would be nice.....only $34,000.

For me...A 91 FXRL with a 121 ci TPE Motor.

I love my Sporty, but this would be nice.....only $34,000.

Hey rstoll! I think you like that bike because it has a sporty tank on it! You may be more attched to your sporty than you think. I love the custom choppers that use the sporty tank. Looks sexy.

Motor :
Ultima 96cui or Vtwin Knuckle

Drive: chain and sprocket

Black W&W springer front

VG Tuv Hardtail frame

4 pot ISR calipers front and rear

21" and 16" spoked wheels powder coated black

black SSC forwards

black 6" over drags

barrel style oil tank

sprung solo

3.3 king sporty or 4 gal mustang

2-2 pipes undecided on mufflers

mini black headlight

Tall sissy bar powder coated black

sissy bar mounted number plate and maltese cross tail light (black body)

Ribbed teardrop A/c cover black

bobbed front and rear fenders

OK ... I must say that I would like a lightweighted V2 Sportyengine in the frame of my GSXR. Wheels, fork, suspension, handling etc everything from GSRX but the engine. Max. weight dry 180kgs ..... ;)

Sorry I shouldn't smoke that funny green stuff anymore! :smoke :D :smoke

Motor :
Ultima 96cui or Vtwin Knuckle

Drive: chain and sprocket

Black W&W springer front

VG Tuv Hardtail frame

4 pot ISR calipers front and rear

21" and 16" spoked wheels powder coated black

black SSC forwards

black 6" over drags

barrel style oil tank

sprung solo

3.3 king sporty or 4 gal mustang

2-2 pipes undecided on mufflers

mini black headlight

Tall sissy bar powder coated black

sissy bar mounted number plate and maltese cross tail light (black body)

Ribbed teardrop A/c cover black

bobbed front and rear fenders You didn't say what color you wanted the tires!

Black cant stand them coloured tires they just look odd :laugh

Black cant stand them coloured tires they just look odd :laugh

did you know that white rubber tyres ( :p ) leave white rubber marks on the road?

Here's my dream machine. although (sorry) it's not H-D either. It's a 47 Vincent Black Shadow. I think I'd sell my house for one of these fabled British machines :laugh


BTW I found this on a Vincent web sight. It's about the Vincent Black Lightning, but I think all us Sporty riders can relate :tour




The Richard Thompson Song about a '52 Vincent Black Lightning clearly conveys the passionate feelings that are generated by beautiful women and powerful motorcycles. Those of us who have experienced both admire Richard's ability of communicating to others the stories of our wildest and deepest loves. Richard carries us away on a vivid adventure in song where others have been left standing at the curb. By the end of his story we feel our tourguide on this enjoyable journey has shown us that Red-haired women and Vincent Black Lightnings can be both our salvation and our ruin. What is powerful enough to carry us to the summit can also crash us to earth. His gift of the Black Lightning may not be a reward for what she gave him, but rather a realization that he must free himself from the steel bonds of both of his deepest loves. Only then can he escape the forces that gave him life and controlled his destiny.

For those of us who own a Vincent motorcycle, nothing else comes remotely close to the feelings of riding a quiet Dinosaur that suddenly transforms into a Fierce Dragon that bellows fire and takes flight..except a loving beautiful woman.

Richard understands.

Back in '69 when I was still ridin' my 1956 AJS Model 18S(scrambler) 500 single, I made friends with a fellow FSU student that had a Vincent Black Shadow. We had a blast riding together and often thought about starting a "vintage British" scooter club. Never happened. Phil Irving was a true genius.

My Sport takes me as close as I can get...

Kim

Aside from the fact that I already have it (my '77), I'd love to have a WLA.

heres a way to get a harley to look like a vinny , sorry bout the size I linked it off another site

http://www.sportster.org/tech/misc-ironhead/dual-carbed-fe.jpg

But getting that rear exhaust pipe past that front carb might be tricky.

yah , past the carby and over the magneto

The Richard Thompson Song about a '52 Vincent Black Lightning clearly conveys the passionate feelings that are generated by beautiful women and powerful motorcycles. Those of us who have experienced both admire Richard's ability of communicating to others the stories of our wildest and deepest loves. Richard carries us away on a vivid adventure in song where others have been left standing at the curb. By the end of his story we feel our tourguide on this enjoyable journey has shown us that Red-haired women and Vincent Black Lightnings can be both our salvation and our ruin. What is powerful enough to carry us to the summit can also crash us to earth. His gift of the Black Lightning may not be a reward for what she gave him, but rather a realization that he must free himself from the steel bonds of both of his deepest loves. Only then can he escape the forces that gave him life and controlled his destiny. I love that song too.
"Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme..."
I'm more familar with Del McCoury's version of it though. Here's a link to a live recording of Del's version of the song. http://audio20.archive.org/1/audio/Del2003-04-19.flac/Del2003-04-19D1T14_64kb.mp3

Gary

I know the version, I think it has won blue grass song of the year. Here's a link to the original version that I think is actually much better


http://www.rtlist.net/

In fact the song has a mistake in it. Anyone guess what it is?............................... That's right the 52 Vincent black lightning along with other motorcycles of that era didn't have keys :rolleyes:

Thanks for the link. Thats a cool rendition too. I still think I prefer Del's version though, I've grown acustomed to the song with that real twangy bluegrass voice and RT is too good of a singer ;)

Gary