LA HD will not do it because "OH MY WORD IT'S A SIN AGAINST THE EMISSIONS GODS OF CALIFORNIA!"

I laughed the manager off of the phone. This was my situation when I first wanted to have the stage 1 completed after purchasing my bike and LA Harley is closer than CA Harley. I called a couple more in Orange County and they would not do it either it is against the rules. BUT! I know a couple here in LA County and one in the OC (Anaheim/Fullerton Harley Davidson) that will and have no problems and they too laugh at the other dealers...

Search around if you are told no because some delaers will do the stage 1 (SE high flow, slow jet - 42 to 45) and slap on the Screaming Eagle Pro II's as well...Right now California bikes are sold with BS catalytic converted pipes that make the bike sound like loud sewing machines :clap and the other crap muffles the performance (smothers and chokes) of the bike.

If in doubt call if you are in the OC or LA:

California Harley Davidson & Buell (310) 539-3366 AND ASK FOR WALT IN SERVICE. THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT WILL DO YOU RIGHT UNLIKE MANY OTHER DEALERS. The reason for this post? I have had many private messages FROM PEOPLE asking me where to have the stage 1 in CA done since I had it done and many dealers are refusing to do the stage 1. We live in a state that imports specialized/muffled Harley's so it is a necessity to have the stage 1 done. THIS INFO IS BASED IF YOU CAN'T OR ARE UNCOMFORTABLE DOING IT YOURSELF.

I return you to your regularly scheduled program...

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Loco
Vivid Black 05 1200 Custom with lots of chrome, Stage 1 w/ SE Pro II slashdowns...

Los Angeles Harley Davidson will not do it because "OH MY WORD IT'S A SIN AGAINST THE EMISSIONS GODS OF CALIFORNIA!"

I laughed the manager off of the phone. Called a couple more in Orange County and they would not do it either it is against the rules. BUT! I know a couple here in LA County and one in the OC that will and have no problems and they too laugh at the other dealers...

Search around if you are told no because many delaers will do the stage 1 (SE high flow, slow jet - 42 to 45) and slap on the Screaming Eagle Pro II's as well...Right now California bikes are sold with BS catalytic converted pipes that make the bike sound like loud sewing machines :clap and the other crap muffles the performance (smothers and chokes) of the bike.

If in doubt call if you are in the OC or LA:

California Harley Davidson & Buell (310) 539-3366 AND ASK FOR WALT IN SERVICE. THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT WILL DO YOU RIGHT UNLIKE MANY OTHER DEALERS. The reason for this post? I have had many private messages FROM PEOPLE asking me where to have the stage 1 in CA done since I had it done and many dealers are refusing to do the stage 1. We live in a state that imports specialized/muffled Harley's so it is a necessity to have the stage 1 done.

I return you to your regularly scheduled program...

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Loco
Vivid Black 05 1200 Custom with lots of chrome, Stage 1 w/ SE Pro II slashdowns...

Screw'em....DIY!!!!

Ditto---- DIY why pay some stealer who dont give a
rat's ass about you.

H-D stands for a Hundred Dollars everytime you walk thru
the door it cost you a Hundred Dollars to get serviced
or to buy parts over the counter.

Anyone read the article in American Iron about the stupid new EPA regs going into effect? They slipped those right under our collective noses! Carbs (supposedly) are gonna be phased out to usher in cleaner fuel injection, and bikes will have to meet more stringent EPA regulations. Supposed to start in 2006.

Screw'em....DIY!!!!

But there are those who are uncomfortable (lack of knowledge/new) with doing it themselves.

:smoke

Anyone read the article in American Iron about the stupid new EPA regs going into effect? They slipped those right under our collective noses! Carbs (supposedly) are gonna be phased out to usher in cleaner fuel injection, and bikes will have to meet more stringent EPA regulations. Supposed to start in 2006.

They can have my CARB when they pry it out of my COLD DEAD HANDS.....

;)

Yeah I posted about that last month. Read that whole article carfully, cause it's going to affect all new bikes starting in '06,

Takes about 15 minutes total to rejet the carb, just DIY.

rofl thats kinda funn as my Salesmen asked me if I wanted to do a "Stage 1" when I bought my bike ( tha was before I new any better)

btw I hear you can leave 1/2 the CA emission stuff on with out hurting performance( IE the charcoal canister & Evap setup ) in fact that will prob help your milage as you wont loose any fuel to Evap .

I Just need to modify the SE AC back plate with 2 Hose fittings & it should be fine. But ya the Pipes are very quiet on stock CA bikes so they had to go.

rofl thats kinda funn as my Salesmen asked me if I wanted to do a "Stage 1" when I bought my bike ( tha was before I new any better)

btw I hear you can leave 1/2 the CA emission stuff on with out hurting performance( IE the charcoal canister & Evap setup ) in fact that will prob help your milage as you wont loose any fuel to Evap .

I Just need to modify the SE AC back plate with 2 Hose fittings & it should be fine. But ya the Pipes are very quiet on stock CA bikes so they had to go.

That I would ask such a thing. Then I called a couple of more in my immediate area and had the same refusal with less dramatics. Maybe it's a SoCal thing? Had quite a few people who are in my area and new to HD's and were private messaging me on where they could get the stage 1 done. Thought I would post it here but I do agree with many others here that if you can do it yourself, that's much better and saves you a small fortune. Those stock pipes were the shits for sure.

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Anyone read the article in American Iron about the stupid new EPA regs going into effect? They slipped those right under our collective noses! Carbs (supposedly) are gonna be phased out to usher in cleaner fuel injection, and bikes will have to meet more stringent EPA regulations. Supposed to start in 2006.

Yes, that was good read. The downside of this is it will force a lot of the smaller custom shops to fold. California has always led the rest of the nation. Over the last 20 years we have made great progress with cars in terms of emissions.

I recall reading about a starter reman company that moved from SoCal to AZ, because CARB outlawed the use of oil based paint. So instead, they moved the shop to AZ. Then hired lower cost workers to offset the shipping expenses.....


Motorcycles account for a very small number engines on the road. I don't have numbers to back me up, motorcycles are used more as a hobby, then as a daily driver.

Yet the trucking industry has been excluded from EPA regs for years....

...you can leave 1/2 the CA emission stuff on with out hurting performance( IE the charcoal canister & Evap setup ) in fact that will prob help your milage as you wont loose any fuel to Evap ...

The charcoal canister has no impact on performance. All it does it trap excess hydrocarbons, which are the major source of gasoline induced smog.

maybe the Feds are after them and they've been fined doing it. they might think you are a fed trying to set them up with your call.

Anyone read the article in American Iron about the stupid new EPA regs going into effect? They slipped those right under our collective noses! Carbs (supposedly) are gonna be phased out to usher in cleaner fuel injection, and bikes will have to meet more stringent EPA regulations. Supposed to start in 2006.:soap
I'm not particularly happy about the new EPA rules, but they were not slipped under our noses. I remember hearing about the "proposed" new rules two years ago. The information was out there. Too many of us Americans don't pay attention to anything but what we see on TV, then complain after the fact when something changes. You might not be able to do anything about this law, but you can effect the next one, or you can complain about after it's passed.

Gazza

IF you want to come to glendora there is a Garage that will do any work you want. The owner/mechanic used to work for a harley dealer and he is a damn good mechanic. The Garage is called BC Cycles. Ask for Whatt. 626-857-5544. Whatt is busy so call ahead.

Good to know 82ndJumper, Thanks for the tip!

Can someone please direct me to the written piece of documentation concerning the 2006 laws?

HI All.

I left my home state of California back in 1989. I was born and raised in La Harbra(12 miles SE of Disnyland) and was a California smog tech.
The EQMD is in my humble Opinion, is an Agancy that is out of control and has far too much power, and has no one to answer too for there abuses.
In 1970, when they really got going, I can remember days that the smog was so bad, it hurt to breath, and they had to keep us in during resess.
For all the BS they do, they have made some impressive results, there are far more cars in LA today then there were in 1970, but the air is far cleaner. The problem is now that they have come this far, what can they pick on next. It the "We have to justifie our own egsistance" thing, now that they have cleaned up the cars, and driven the old style paint shop out of the state of buisness, they need a new demon to fix, and it's the motorcycles turn.
You have to understand the pressure that shops are under. The EPA is a Federal agency, and it's Laws and rules apply to every car (or Bike) in the United States, even if there is no one checking (Smog Program).
Wile these laws and rules are widely ignorde by 90% or the country, in the EQMD area's, they are enforsed stricktly.
A shop that does non approved emission repairs(Modifation)are subject to a 50,000 fine and up to 5 years federal prision.
It no wonder no one wanted to do this for you, to me it is amazing you found someone willing to.
As a tech in California, I was asked to modifie cars all the time, and I would not do that, it was the reality I had to live under.

Here in Oregon, we have a very civil agency called the DEQ. They are the ones that run the state testing program, and are the most helpful state run agency I have ever had to work with, hell they will even come over to your shop to help you get a car to pass the test....with factory help and more info you could ever ask for. They want the car to pass, not punish you if it don't.
They want to help you be a better tech with free training, not fines and suspentions if you goof one.
At this point in Oregon, we do not test motorcycles, and there are no plans to start.
My Dealer on every bike they sell, as part of the prep, replaces the slow jet in the carb so the bike runs right....right of the floor.


What you need to do in California is get your state reps to pull the ranes on these unelected burocrats and get they to lighten up.
And if they won't, elect someone that will.

Can someone please direct me to the written piece of documentation concerning the 2006 laws?
Read this whole thread. A couple people alluded to the American Iron article. It has all the information and tells where to go to find the actual EPA rules.

Here are some docs submitted by MoCo to the EPAholes

pre 2006 motorcycles will be exempt from the test wont they? I am from the east coast but live in California. (USMC) hopefully I can keep my bike registered at my east coast home of record and avoid any PITA.

Gary, I am originally from NY, are there probs like the ones here in California back there?