I am ready to install an SE ignition module with a 7,000 rpm rev limiter in my 04 Sporty prior to a cam change and head work. Nallin told me that the bike would need to go to the dealer to get the new module 'initialized' with the H-D diagnostic computor (or whatever it's called). I told them about this procedure that was once posted on our old message board ... He was unaware of this procedure.

Ok ... Has anyone here actually used the procedure below on there 04-05 Sporty after installing a new SE module?

Does it have to be done and does it actually work? (I don't want to drag this biker to the Stealer)
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Initializing 04 XL1200 Ignition Module

Please note that you have to perform steps 5-7 a total of 3 times. Step 6 takes 10 minutes each time and the ignition and lights are ON. This takes a total of 30 minutes to complete. I would suggest that you disconnect the headlight to reduce the drain on the battery.

1. Install the new ICM (Ignition Control Module)

2. Set RUN/OFF switch to RUN. - Verify that the security lamp is not blinking (vehicle is disarmed).

3. Turn Ignition key to ON. - TSSM enables starter relay.

4. Press starter button 1 time. The vehicle will start and stall. No stored password for new part causes bad password DTC, fuel flow is stopped.

5. Wait 10 seconds. Security Lamp will illuminate. ECM enters password learning mode. If Ignition key is cycled learning mode exits.

6. After 10 minutes, ECM completes auto learn mode. Security lamp turns off.

7. Quickly turn Ignition Key Off then ON.

8. Repeat steps 5-7 two more times.

9. (last time) Turn Ignition Key off. Wait at least 15 seconds before turning Ignition back on.

Password learning is complete

Turbota,

I will speak to my my Chris today (he is the service manager at Thames Valley Harley) and ask.

Turbota,

According to the dealer these units are pre-initialised - the are plug-n-play!

Thank you Mr. Mark !

They are not plug and play. Your bike won't start if you just plug it in. And, the module can only be used with the bike it was initially synced with. I used the proceedure with my Nallin kit and H-D ignition module. Worked great.

--Sean

I had to do the same when I installed the SE module. Used the proceedure and it worked for me.
I asked Daytona Twin Tec if this was needed for their TC88A, and was told it was not required.

Just installed my SE module. The engine ran for about 1/2 second and stopped.

Did the initialization procedure above and everything is good with the world. :)

Very good idea to unhook your headlight. 30 minutes is a long time to burn that headlight bulb doing this procedure. Don't know how long the battery would last.

Ron,

Correct, Twin Tech is plug and play.

Cool... Hopefully I'll be "plugging and playing" by Monday. If my "honeydew" list gets completed, I can work on the bike... I think she's going shopping and I will have lots of time!!!! :clap

Damn! Should have read this post first! Would have saved me a lot of agravation and cursing of both Mr. Harley and Mr. Davidson! Will go back an try the solution offered above...

2004 883XL

:censor OK I purchased a brand new SE Ignition Module for my 2004 883XL. Instruction sheet was very simple 1. remove seat 2. disconnect battery 3. change module. 4. reconnect battery 5. replace seat. Seemed pretty simple...

At the bottom of the instruction sheet it called for mating the module to the TSM/TSSM (whatever the hell that is...) by following the instructions in my owners manual. and the manual does indeed have a section on re initiallizing the Security System of which my bike does not have! No alarm, no programmable key fob, nada...

I tried the following from another post by Turbota:
Initializing 04 XL1200 Ignition Module

Please note that you have to perform steps 5-7 a total of 3 times. Step 6 takes 10 minutes each time and the ignition and lights are ON. This takes a total of 30 minutes to complete. I would suggest that you disconnect the headlight to reduce the drain on the battery.

1. Install the new ICM (Ignition Control Module)

2. Set RUN/OFF switch to RUN. - Verify that the security lamp is not blinking (vehicle is disarmed).

3. Turn Ignition key to ON. - TSSM enables starter relay.

4. Press starter button 1 time. The vehicle will start and stall. No stored password for new part causes bad password DTC, fuel flow is stopped.

5. Wait 10 seconds. Security Lamp will illuminate. ECM enters password learning mode. If Ignition key is cycled learning mode exits.

6. After 10 minutes, ECM completes auto learn mode. Security lamp turns off.

7. Quickly turn Ignition Key Off then ON.

8. Repeat steps 5-7 two more times.

9. (last time) Turn Ignition Key off. Wait at least 15 seconds before turning Ignition back on.

Password learning is complete

My Security Lamp has not come on, ever....

Bike still won't start and I am back to cursing Mr. Harley and Mr. Davidson.... :cry1

Where did you purchase your SE module from? ... Ebay?

If so, I hope you got the correct P/N for your year model Sporty ...


BTW, what P/N did you get?

Should be the right part #31784-04 (2004 883XL Standard). I'll try it again when I get home from work. I was a little tired and frazzled last night.... But my security lamp never did come on, flashing or otherwise....

31784-04 is the P/N for the street version 04-05 883 (used in stock CR engines - 6,200 rev limiter)


There is also another module avail:

31758-04 is the P/N for the race version 04-05 883 (used in high CR engines - decreases timing 5 degrees during wide open throttle - 7,000 rev limiter)

You are correct I have the PART # 31784-04 with the 7,000 RPM not the 6,200RPM model. My engine is stock. Is that why it won't work???

Phil

Either one of those P/Ns should work. I can't understand why the initialization procedure don't work on your bike? Worked fine on mine.

I have no ideas ... Sorry

For what it's worth...
I just checked the Screaming Eagle module I have. I put it on my 04/883, and it has the # 32409-04 on the bar code. I used the mating proceedure when I installed it, and it worked then.

I have since removed it, and installed a TC88A with the 1200 conversion.


Just a thought... Make sure you put the run switch on, before the key.

Just curious, is all this necessary on a bike with no security system?

Just curious, is all this necessary on a bike with no security system?


That's a good one... Probably not, but those Electrons and digital 1's and 0's like to talk to each other...

Well when it it freakin rains it pours... I got home ready to try the initiallization again only to discover that in my rage induced haze I did not turn the ignition key on the bike all the way off and....... you guessed it, dead battery! F the world I want to get off!

While the battery is on the charger, I am going to drink myself into a mild coma and continue the adventure tomorrow. Oh, by the way, below is a transcript of my conversation with my local HD dealership today:

So I call the local H-D shop... They tell me I have 2 options:

1) Purchase a Shop Manual for my 2004 for $58 + tax and follow the instructions for Password Learning to install the module. or,

2) Pay them 1 hour of labor to have them do it at $68 per hour (oh plus tax).

I offered them $2 to let me photocopy the freakin page and really wanted to tell them to shove the module where the sun don't shine.

This is my first bike in over 20 years and I really wanted it to be a Harley. Now I am having second thoughts... Damn them! Gonna look at some Victory bikes! :drinkbeer

What was lacking in my case was the crucial TSSM reset for steps 1 & 2!!! Found the following which appears to be straight from the manual and it worked like a charm!!! :clap :tour :tour :tour :tour :tour

Here's the link: http://www.harley-performance.com/password-learn.html

:tour :laugh
http://www.harley-performance.com/password-learn.html is the answer!!!

Just took three tries but it finally worked on my 2004 883 converted to 1200. It's very challenging WITHOUT the security light to help! :yikes

Just "password learn procedured" the SE 31759-04. WHAT A PAIN!!! :frownthre

The other thing that SEEMED to be happening was :shhhh funny oil pressure light behavior, like not lighting when the ignition is turned on!!! Related?, who knows??? Here is what I do know, after running the above procedure three times, turning on the ignition lit the oil pressure light for the first time in 3 days and the bike fired instantly. :p :clap :) :wonderlan :D

Finally, I can break-in and test drive the 10.5 to 1 compressed, SE "E" grind cammed, Buell '05XB headed, Bub Jug Hugged MOTOR!!!

Let's Haul out!!!

from the above website:
"When installing a new ignition or ECM on a security-equipped Harley there is a "Password Learn" procedure that must be performed. This applies to all Twin Cam and V-Rod models with factory security but may also apply to Twin Cam's with EFI."

it says 'all twin cam and v-rod models...' doesn't say sportsters, or bikes without the security system... do u hafta do all those steps if u don't have the security system??? everything seems to say that its only on bikes with the security systems that need to learn the passwords...

from the above website:
"When installing a new ignition or ECM on a security-equipped Harley there is a "Password Learn" procedure that must be performed. This applies to all Twin Cam and V-Rod models with factory security but may also apply to Twin Cam's with EFI."

it says 'all twin cam and v-rod models...' doesn't say sportsters, or bikes without the security system... do u hafta do all those steps if u don't have the security system??? everything seems to say that its only on bikes with the security systems that need to learn the passwords...
Yup... gotta do the steps on a bike without a security system. I've installed 2 of them so far. It's a pain in the scrotal region.

ok, next question... is it worth getting the SE ignition? do u feel a difference? or is it just for the 7000 limiter?

I changed to the SE module due to my 883 - 1200 10:1 conversion. The ignition curve was needed. It did make a difference. I can't give you any answers on feel due to you already riding a 1200c.

ok, i finally got around to installing the SE ignition... i realized that since i don't have a security system, i don't have a light to wait to go out after the 10 minutes... i waited about 10-11 minutes each time, waited the 15 seconds at the end, and no luck... wouldn't start... i tried a 2nd time, same thing, no start... i put the factory back on, and it started right up... any ideas??

ok, i finally got around to installing the SE ignition... i realized that since i don't have a security system, i don't have a light to wait to go out after the 10 minutes... i waited about 10-11 minutes each time, waited the 15 seconds at the end, and no luck... wouldn't start... i tried a 2nd time, same thing, no start... i put the factory back on, and it started right up... any ideas??

If the information contained in this thread didn't get you going, I would return the SE ignition module back to the dealer and tell them it does not work.

Then I would suggest a Daytona Twin Tec TC88A (http://www.daytona-twintec.com/TC88A.html) ignition module.

http://www.daytona-twintec.com/TC88A1.jpg

It's plug 'n play and you will be well satisified.

JB

I had to do it several times. All I can say is I kept missing a step. Be patient and follow the procedure to the letter. It will work.

I believe this is an updated procedure and may work better than what was posted early in this thread:

Initializing 04-05 Ignition Module:

Please note that this procedure takes a total of 30 minutes to complete. I would suggest that you disconnect the headlight to reduce the drain on the battery.

After installing a new the new Ignition Control Module:

1. Set RUN/OFF switch on the handlebars to RUN.

2. Turn Ignition Key ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON, and then toggle the Left Turn Signal Switch twice.

3. Turn Ignition Key OFF, then back ON - Verify the Check Engine Lamp and Security Lamp illuminate briefly and then turn off.

4. Press starter button 1 time. The vehicle will start and then stall.

5. Wait 10 seconds. Security Lamp will illuminate

6. Wait until Security Lamp turns off or a minimum of 10 minutes has passed.

7. Quickly turn Ignition Key OFF then ON.

8. Wait until Security Lamp turns off or a minimum of 10 minutes has passed.

9. Quickly turn Ignition Key OFF then ON.

10. Wait until Security Lamp turns off or a minimum of 10 minutes has passed.

11. Quickly turn Ignition Key OFF then ON.

12. Turn Ignition switch OFF. Wait 15 seconds. Turn Ignition switch ON and start engine to confirm the Password Learn Procedure is successful.

no luck... i tried it 3 times yesterday, and 4 more today, with the upgraded notes from above... nothing... y does HD hafta make such a simple thing as changing an ignition box, such a difficult procedure? they don't tell u anywhere that u even hafta do all this learing procedure, its like they want u to take even the simplest stuff to the dealer... i'd ask my dealer how they do it, but i'm sure they'll say they've never installed 1... i really didn't wanna spend almost 3 times as much for the twintec... how come theirs doesn't need to be 'learned'?

Do you have to go through this same procedure for installation of a SE ignition module on a ore-2004 Sporster?

2002 XL 1200S

Not sure about pre 04 but I had to do it on my 04.
I know, doesen't help ya'... sorry

Do you have to go through this same procedure for installation of a SE ignition module on a ore-2004 Sporster?

2002 XL 1200S


Welcome to the forum and enjoy your self!
Jim:tour

When I installed, actually just initialized the SE Race Tuner it was plug and play. Of course with the SE Race Tuner you are paying for the cable and software only, no module. The race tuner, like the SE modules learns the bikes & modules identity and then is usable only for that module.