For some reason the video wont show up, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzkRAbfHI6M

146HP Rotax engine? Anybody know anything about this? I guess we all will tomorrow morning...:tour


http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/July/jul2-jul9/jun0607newvtwinsportsmotorcyclelaunchesexclusively onourwebsite/?&R=EPI-92534

Too Late.

Its been posted in other threads since last night and the minisite is already up on the Buell site.

Thats what I want........ probably won't get one ....but I wannit........

Ww

Oh sh*t! Anybody want to buy a '01 SV650s for waaayyy too much over market price?

From the specs
The Helical Gear, 0.554:1 (36/65) ratio Primary Drive is impressive

http://www.roadcarvin.com/2008-motorcycle-models/buell/buell-1125r


Sweet !:banana

Mark

I Guess there is basis for the Rumor of the Liquid cooled sportsters coming down the pike..

Here's some weight and price specs compared to the Japanese competition:

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R - $11,249 - 386 lbs
Honda CBR1000RR - $11,499 - 388 lbs
Suzuki GSX1000R - $11,499 - 379 lbs
Yamaha FZR-R1 - $11,699 - 390 lbs
Buell 1125R - $11,999 - 375 lbs

They're right there price-wise. They're right there performance-wise (a touch less horsepower, but also lighter then all of them).

This is a watershed day in motorcycle history. For the first time ever, there is an American superbike that will compete on 100% equal footing with the best the world has to offer, be it Japanese, German, Italian, etc.

By the way. If you go to the Buell website and pick any other bike, you can go to the specs and do a comparison. Once you do that, choose the 1125R, and all its specs come up. :-)

Erik Buell is 56 years old. I have to believe that he achieved a dream today that he's probably had for 30+ years. I pray that they sell them faster then they can build them.

gotta say I like it.....



Would I buy one?????




nahhh .. I'll keep my steetfightered GSXR1000 ... it's got more HP and it owes me a damn sight less money :D



maybe later, when the prices come down I might put one in the stable.

For me this bike is going to be more as average jap "plastic" bike. Somehow it loses that HD legacy :(
Yes, ofcourse Buell is Sports devision, but I'm talking about that unique technik which it was with HD engine and initial branding of HD sports division.

It is nice to see that America is finally putting something to compete with the rest of the world.

To my uneducated eye, the front end looks slightly Ducati-ish.

I'd buy one if I had an extra $10k sitting around.

I have to agree. I think they are heading in the right direction. They are in the market of making sport bikes after all. Good for Buell!

Different in no more sense.

http://www.buell.com/1125R/1125R.asp?1125RLocale=de_de


http://jeep.cfasp.de/upload/502937.jpg

A shortstroke,dohc,4 valve watercooled engine.
Why should I buy/ride that Buell?
Out there are more than enough of that kind already.
Japan makes them for more than 20 years, probably much more reliable, and definitely cheaper.
Cagiva from Italy does it as well.

I´m stunned and more than disappointed.They should close the Buell factory down.
Ralph

The big deal for me is its just like my sporty, stop light to stop light fun.
The liter IL4s don't make much power till they get above 6-8k rpm.
Great for highways or tracks, but not light to light or in traffic.
Get them above 10k rpm and you better hold on.
There still fun but just not for me.

The big deal for me is its just like my sporty, stop light to stop light fun.
The liter IL4s don't make much power till they get above 6-8k rpm.
Great for highways or tracks, but not light to light or in traffic.
Get them above 10k rpm and you better hold on.
There still fun but just not for me.

Hogwash.

I rode a Kawasaki ZX-10R a few weeks ago - you're typical litre sport bike. I was expecting to have to rev the hell of the engine to get it to do anything.

Not the case.

Trust me, these new 1000cc mutlis are all there as soon as 4000 rpm comes around.

The big deal for me is its just like my sporty, stop light to stop light fun.
The liter IL4s don't make much power till they get above 6-8k rpm.
Great for highways or tracks, but not light to light or in traffic.
Get them above 10k rpm and you better hold on.
There still fun but just not for me.



my '03 GSXR 1000 will loft the front wheel in first gear with throttle only from 3500 and will putter around at 2000 rpm all day...


which litre bikes have you been riding lately 'cos the newer ones pull from even lower...


even the 600's are starting to get a bit of fill in the mid range..





Just a note on the Cagiva ... it uses a Suzuki TL motor... and damn it goes well in that chassis..

The big deal for me is its just like my sporty, stop light to stop light fun.
The liter IL4s don't make much power till they get above 6-8k rpm.
Great for highways or tracks, but not light to light or in traffic.
Get them above 10k rpm and you better hold on.
There still fun but just not for me.

It may be hard to believe, but these new IL4 1000cc bikes will run neck and neck with a 88" or 90" Sporty at equal speeds, till the liter bikes start hitting high rpms. Than they walk away up into a sprint and smoke the Sporty, yes their really that powerful.

Here's some weight and price specs compared to the Japanese competition:

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R - $11,249 - 386 lbs
Honda CBR1000RR - $11,499 - 388 lbs
Suzuki GSX1000R - $11,499 - 379 lbs
Yamaha FZR-R1 - $11,699 - 390 lbs
Buell 1125R - $11,999 - 375 lbs

They're right there price-wise. They're right there performance-wise (a touch less horsepower, but also lighter then all of them).

This is a watershed day in motorcycle history. For the first time ever, there is an American superbike that will compete on 100% equal footing with the best the world has to offer, be it Japanese, German, Italian, etc.

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What competition? You listed 4-cylinder bikes. And you think it will compete against a GSXR1000 or ZX-10, while it packs 20+ fewer hp? It's in good company with most of the 2-cylinder machines.

What competition? You listed 4-cylinder bikes. And you think it will compete against a GSXR1000 or ZX-10, while it packs 20+ fewer hp? It's in good company with most of the 2-cylinder machines.

On the racetrack?

No. Of course not. Even I'm not that stupid. :)

But in the showrooms? In the minds of shoppers who would like a comparable American bike that is at least in the same ballpark as the Japanese.

Yes.

Absolutely.

I know of one GSXR1000 rider who is in his 50's, and has wanted to buy an American sportbike for 20+ years. Of course, a true American sportbike (as defined by a Gixxer rider) has never really existed before now.

He would buy the 1125R in a heartbeat. It might not equal the I4's in pure drag strip horsepower. But compared to the Firebolt, it's way closer to the mark - close enough to influence his next purchase, I guarantee it.

The number of people who buy a bike to ride it at its absolute limits are very few as a percentage of all bikes sold. As long as it's stupid fast, it's good enough for many buyers.

And the 1125R will definitely be stupid fast. :)

I might consider buying it used, but not new, i'm willing to bet its value will drop real fast just like the japanese bikes(Buell resale value is a lot lower than HD's)

This bike is to Buell as the V-rod was to HD. It's a bit different and it will get some opposition at first, but it will catch on and it really is a big improvement over the older bikes. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sportster engine, but it isn't a sport bike motor (Thank God!). This engine is just right for Buell, and I am glad to finally see a trully competitive American sport bike.:)

Should we be comparing this new bike to the new Duc 1098? It has just a few less hp and tq but is in the ball park for alot less. Comparing V2 vs a I4 is not apples to apples. I cant wait till we get some testing on it and I get to ride it. Cool as corn man, cool as corn.

This bike is to Buell as the V-rod was to HD. It's a bit different and it will get some opposition at first, but it will catch on and it really is a big improvement over the older bikes. Don't get me wrong, I love the Sportster engine, but it isn't a sport bike motor (Thank God!).

I think the buell guys will accept this bike a lot better and quicker than the HD guys accepted the V-rod. It seems that the buell riders are much more open to changes. This is probably a motor they have been asking about for years.

It would seem (obviously) that Buell has now a real-deal Superbike platform. The styling is pretty funky but it will be a great bike. I hope Buell makes a naked/S version with minimal bodywork. Pretty damn impressive. Still like my old Tuber,though.

I think you'll find, especially with this type of bike + a 140hp engine, that the fairing REALLY comes into play at 100 mph and up.

I like it, and I like the idea, but I personally would get a 1098S Tricolore instead. It looks so much better, even if it does cost twice as much...

It may be hard to believe, but these new IL4 1000cc bikes will run neck and neck with a 88" or 90" Sporty at equal speeds, till the liter bikes start hitting high rpms. Than they walk away up into a sprint and smoke the Sporty, yes their really that powerful.
Very true that. It's a common misconception that you have to beat the snot out of all inline 4s to make them move. The GSX-R1000 is incredibly strong in 6th gear roll-ons. If we compare top gear roll-ons for the GSX-R1000 to an XB12S we get the following numbers:

XB12S 2004
38-62mph 4.0sec

GSX-R1000 2005
38-62mph 3.1sec

The GSX-R should rev about 2000-2500rpm at 38mph, so pretty low rpms and still quick as hell. Funny thing is not even a Triumph Rocket III beats the GSX-R1000 in a roll from 38mph. That surprises a lot of people.

Numbers from Motorrad magazine (Germany).

Very true that. It's a common misconception that you have to beat the snot out of all inline 4s to make them move. The GSX-R1000 is incredibly strong in 6th gear roll-ons. If we compare top gear roll-ons for the GSX-R1000 to an XB12S we get the following numbers:

XB12S 2004
38-62mph 4.0sec

GSX-R1000 2005
38-62mph 3.1sec

The GSX-R should rev about 2000-2500rpm at 38mph, so pretty low rpms and still quick as hell. Funny thing is not even a Triumph Rocket III beats the GSX-R1000 in a roll from 38mph. That surprises a lot of people.

Numbers from Motorrad magazine (Germany).


and gear 'em down a few teeth on the front and they pull even better from down low...

This is why I've still got my gixxer thou a few years after I origionally intended getting rid of it and why I'm in no particular rush to get the sporty goin.

There's a lot of missconceptions about the big sportsbikes, much in the same way as there is about sporties..


Although to be fair one should be comparing the new Buell to the Apprilia Tuono, Ducati 1098, Cagiva Raptor, Suzuki SV1000, Honda VTR 1000 and the like as they're V twins.... in that company it'll hold it's own.... 'cept maybe against the Duc ... but then again my '02 900SS was a lot better bike than an XB Buell too..

Going to the dealer this weekend. I just talked to a sales rep on the phone. They claim to sell all new Buells at msrp and maybe give a gift card or something to sweetin the deal if i order one before they hit the showrooom.

He also said late Sept. to late Oct. delivery date for the 1125r.

If they go for the first valve adjustment free and the msrp price then i might as well get off my ass and get one. :D

I think its a fair price and should make a great street bike. Hopefully it should rock on the track too. I have to return my XB9R loaner from a friend that travels a lot, so im really itching to add another bike to the garage.

Well, we now know where the XR1200 Sportster studies directed H-D. Back to Buell with a green light for SERIOUS performance. Keeps H-D from having yet another white-elephant Sportster sitting on showroom floors gathering dust.

I Want One!

they look sweet but they loose the whole reason i bought one for, the harley v twin motor in a sport bike frame. id feel like i was just riding on my brothers r1 with that thing. i was so hoping eric was going to put a vrod motor in them next and not have it cost 30 grand like that one thats out now, not that the vrod motor is a typical harley motor but at least it can be associated with the company

i was so hoping eric was going to put a vrod motor in them next and not have it cost 30 grand like that one thats out now,

Where did the $30,000 grand come from???

HD tried something simlar with the StreetRod version. It sold very badly and is discontinued. Not really a Buell but i think it was enough to make them choose BRP-Rotax.

BTW i think the $30,000 is either another company's sport bike using a vrod motor or the XBRR.

I went to the HD/Buell dealer yesterday and talked to the sales manager that is a very big Buell fan. I didnt put in an order for a few reasons but i cant wait to see one on the floor. Hopefully when they arrive i can test ride one and they wont be badly back ordered.

He did offer me a new Uly with the last yr race kit for Ulys at msrp. So basically a full stage1 kit for free. He mentioned he had a set of the hard bags to go with it for additional cost. I said throw in the bags too and maybe we can work it out.

He said he needs to see how things go and i told him i will be happy to wait and see what happens. The Uly with bags is actually much more practical for my needs right now and already has all the performance mods i would be needing anyway.

Where did the $30,000 grand come from???


there was a post a few weeks ago with some other company that put a vrod motor in a sport bike and msrp was somthing stupid like 30 grand.


found the link

http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=50931

most of us are missing the fact Buells are very imporntant in my mind to the sportster market. There have been many upgreads made for buell's to be competive, that have found there way into the sportster line up. I also like the fact there was so many intechangeable parts between the to bike lines.

most of us are missing the fact Buells are very imporntant in my mind to the sportster market. There have been many upgreads made for buell's to be competive, that have found there way into the sportster line up. I also like the fact there was so many intechangeable parts between the to bike lines.

Right, but as far as the engine goes on the 1125, absolutely nothing will be interchangeable. Totally different design. But, I suppose that's what the XBs are still for.

The 1125 engine is not going to go into the sportster. The sportster as far as I can see has been retired from hotrod to beginner bike. With harley making bikes like the V-rod and the 1125R buell the sportster has been forgotten.

The sportster has become more cruiser-like over the years with it's bigger gas tank and destroyed lean angle.