2006 Sportster XL1200L - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST

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Originally Posted by xllent01

I see WARNING LABELS for idots coming soon!!

It's an exhaust pipe, of coarse it's going to be hot!!!

What our new machisimo wise-ass fails to realize (not having ridden a rubbermount sufficiently) is that the mid-mount controls of the rubbermount put your right leg REALLY close to the rear header, and if you kick your foot out at any angle (which I find ironically that I do) it puts your pants cuff RIGHT AGAINST the header (which never happened on any of our other harleys or other brands).

We did find a couple of pairs of pants lightly charred from this, so we eventually got the upgraded heat shield.

Not a particularly big deal, but I have heard of some people (including some people who have posted here) whose pants actually burst into enough flames to burn their leg pretty good.

Originally Posted by Quay

I got my recall notice, looked at my pipes, and tossed it in the trash. Like many other silly safety issues, the person being injured would have to make an attempt to be injured to be successful. Next thing, they will be putting shields around the cylinders so folks don't reach down and sear their hands while riding, or the oil tank will be redesigned so people can not put their finger into the oil to check the temp.

I thought it was garbage too, but read above - it could be an issue of height or joint positions, but I was suprised to see that both Jenn and I naturally put our leg right against that header.

[xllent01]

Originally Posted by Kev M

What our new machisimo wise-ass fails to realize (not having ridden a rubbermount sufficiently) is that the mid-mount controls of the rubbermount put your right leg REALLY close to the rear header, and if you kick your foot out at any angle (which I find ironically that I do) it puts your pants cuff RIGHT AGAINST the header (which never happened on any of our other harleys or other brands).

We did find a couple of pairs of pants lightly charred from this, so we eventually got the upgraded heat shield.

Not a particularly big deal, but I have heard of some people (including some people who have posted here) whose pants actually burst into enough flames to burn their leg pretty good.




I thought it was garbage too, but read above - it could be an issue of height or joint positions, but I was suprised to see that both Jenn and I naturally put our leg right against that header.

Here you go with the machisimo shit again..


do know how many pants i've burned holes in?? as the rear header pipe is only a few inches away from the back of the right leg, so wearing the wrong pants you end up sacrificing them to heat gods.. this IS not outta the norm..
So what makes the rubbermount any different than what i'm riding..guess warning labels and recalls really do work..

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Originally Posted by xllent01

do know how many pants i've burned holes in?? as the rear header pipe is only a few inches away from the back of the right leg, so wearing the wrong pants you end up sacrificing them to heat gods.. this IS not outta the norm..
So what makes the rubbermount any different than what i'm riding

What's different?

I never burned a pair on the 93, so really the rear header is as close to the peg mount position on them as well?

I still think it's CLOSER on the rubbers, but it would be interesting to find out.

Plus, I suspect due to tightening emission standards combustion chamber (and therefore) exhaust pipe temps have increased.

So I'm thinking it's more likely, and finally got bad enough that they had to try a slightly different heat shield.

I don't know why people like you gotta make such a big deal out of it.

Something changed, it became a bit of a problem, so they did something to address it.

It doesn't make the bikes shit, or the people who ride them and experience the problem any less of a man, or woman, or rider or ...

[xllent01]

Originally Posted by Kev M

What's different?

I never burned a pair on the 93, so really the rear header is as close to the peg mount position on them as well?

I still think it's CLOSER on the rubbers, but it would be interesting to find out.

Plus, I suspect due to tightening emission standards combustion chamber (and therefore) exhaust pipe temps have increased.

So I'm thinking it's more likely, and finally got bad enough that they had to try a slightly different heat shield.

I don't know why people like you gotta make such a big deal out of it.

Something changed, it became a bit of a problem, so they did something to address it.

It doesn't make the bikes shit, or the people who ride them and experience the problem any less of a man, or woman, or rider or ...

So did Mcdonalds after the dipshit spilled coffee on herself.. the two problems go hand in hand


No one including myself said the bikes were shit, or said the riders were anything less, The wise understand by themselves; fools follow the reports of others..

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Originally Posted by xllent01

So did Mcdonalds after the dipshit spilled coffee on herself.. the two problems go hand in hand

The difference is that McDonalds changed the product (i.e. starting serving cold coffee from what I heard) - whereas Harley just decided to use better insulation.

Originally Posted by xllent01

No one including myself said the bikes were shit, or said the riders were anything less,

Perhaps I misinterpreted you (since of late you seem to be taking that stance regarding things, like cold weather gear etc).

Originally Posted by xllent01

I see WARNING LABELS for idots coming soon!! [/SIZE]

It's an exhaust pipe, of coarse it's going to be hot!!!

However, look at that post, it suggests you feelthat only a idiot might suffer the problem.

Which suggests said attitude.

But Quay obviosly came out and said it

Originally Posted by Quay

Like many other silly safety issues, the person being injured would have to make an attempt to be injured to be successful. Next thing, they will be putting shields around the cylinders so folks don't reach down and sear their hands while riding, or the oil tank will be redesigned so people can not put their finger into the oil to check the temp.

And I say BULLSHIT.

[xllent01]

Originally Posted by Kev M

The difference is that McDonalds changed the product (i.e. starting serving cold coffee from what I heard) - whereas Harley just decided to use better insulation.



Perhaps I misinterpreted you (since of late you seem to be taking that stance regarding things, like cold weather gear etc).



However, look at that post, it suggests you feelthat only a idiot might suffer the problem.

Which suggests said attitude.

But Quay obviosly came out and said it



And I say BULLSHIT.

Hey Kev look at a hot coffee lid next time your at Starbucks or Mcd's..while reading your owners manual with it's WARNINGS written in Italic for a reason..

Mc'ds starting serving cold coffee to compete with Starbucks..come on you should know that??

At some point some idot tried what they now warn about, trying to sue someone for dumb acts trying to be successful like said before..hence the need for WARNING LABELS OR RECALLS..

Look around they are on almost every product we buy and sell!!

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Originally Posted by xllent01

Mc'ds starting serving cold coffee to compete with Starbucks..come on you should know that??

the cold coffee comment was NOT ABOUT ICED COFFEE, it was about serving coldER regular coffee

Warning labels have actually come on bikes for DECADES. I'm pretty sure your current ride(s) had them at one point too.

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous, but they peel off.

But that has nothing to do with a RECALL FOR AN EXHAUST SHIELD which seems to not be doing as good a job as previous ones!

[Quay]

My '07 1200 Roadster has heat shields that I would have to deliberately reach behind to contact the scorching header. If I felt the shield itself were uncomfortably hot, I would keep my leg off of it rather than repeatedly see if I can damage my riding gear. There is a reason many corporations including vehicle manufacturers refuse to do business in the U.S. It is the obscene overkill of safety vs. common sense, and the weight of regulation and lawsuits designed to make a handful of folks wealthy, as a reward for being wrong-headed.

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Originally Posted by Quay

My '07 1200 Roadster has heat shields that I would have to deliberately reach behind to contact the scorching header. If I felt the shield itself were uncomfortably hot, I would keep my leg off of it rather than repeatedly see if I can damage my riding gear. There is a reason many corporations including vehicle manufacturers refuse to do business in the U.S. It is the obscene overkill of safety vs. common sense, and the weight of regulation and lawsuits designed to make a handful of folks wealthy, as a reward for being wrong-headed.

You really don't read well do you?

First off, pretty much every Harley for decades has had heat shields.

Secondly, DO YOU KNOW IF THE RECALL WAS DONE ON YOURS BEFORE YOU PICKED IT UP?

The recall is to CHANGE the heat shield.

I don't know WHY, but it seems that on some 06 and 07 models the heat shield which was installed from the factory was not up to snuff.

Maybe, as I said it's the same old shield, but tightening emissions standards made that pipe hotter than it used to be.

MAYBE, there was something wrong with a run of the heat shields.

Suffice it to say that I FOUND from experience that although I THOUGHT this was a non-issue on ours, some of our pants were charred. I say OUR because both Jenn and I rode her bike at times before we had the recall done.

I was surprised to find that the orientation of the seat to the pegs and the pegs to the controls placed both of our feet in a position with the toes angled slightly outward on the right side. This effectively moves the rear cuff of the pant leg right against the heat shield.

Since we both wear thick, armored motorcycling boots and the cuff falls an inch or so off the boot, we never felt any heat from it.

However the small charred spots on the cuff showed that the pants were exposed to an unusual (even by Harley standards) amount of heat from the header and heat shield.

Since the recall, I have not noticed any fresh charred spots on either of our pant legs.

So although it might be tempting to roll your eyes and call this a reactionary, over-protective response to an overly-litigious society, it's all quite possible that this was a reasonable response to a non-anticipated change in design parameters.