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13th June 2012
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 106 Sportster/Buell Model: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year: 1990 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1975
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correct end gap for Axtell (cast Iron 3-13/16)
There is always some confusion on end gaps.. (at least for me)
I know that cast iron cyl made by Axtell do not expand as a normal one so the gap should be greater.
So the Axtell reccomendation of 6 x bore for 1st TOP ring and 4 x bore for the second ring can be good??
3.8125 x 6 = .0232" --->top ring runded to 0.024
3.8125 x 4 = .0155" ---->2nd ring rounded to 0.016
So why sometimes someone tell that the second must be greater than the top one or equal to the top one??
I read somewhere that greater end gaps on 2nd ring can lead to better ring seal.. 
-Beppe-
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-1990 Sportster 1200 cc. , Edelbrock Heads, V8 Andrews cams, S&S Cylinders, JE pistons, Jims roller rockers and lifters,SU carb, 17" rear wheel, +6° raked triple tree.
Axtell 88" as next project..
-"New" 1975 IronHead (it will be a rigid with an Hardtail)
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13th June 2012
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A Million Facts & Figures
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sandpoint
Posts: 5,883 Sportster/Buell Model: XL883 Sportster/Buell Year: 2007 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell Cyclone Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1999
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Yes, for a long time the thinking was that since second rings don't get as hot, they don't need as much end gap. However, it's been shown that control of the pressure trapped between the rings is more important to ring seal, and a wider second ring gap actually promotes that. So the trend with most piston and ring makers lately has been more toward wider second ring gaps. Seems backwards, but there it is.
Part of it is driven by the piston design, too, for example a piston with an expansion groove between the rings will not benefit as much by staggering the ring gaps with the wider one on the second ring.
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13th June 2012
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 106 Sportster/Buell Model: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year: 1990 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1975
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...and i the case of a 3-13/6 Axtell cast iron cyl with flat top pistons with 1.200" compression height(if i rememer corrct) (for a street driven sportster occasionally slammed with strong accelerations and about 10,5:1 CR) which ring end gaps you suggest?
thanks
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13th June 2012
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A Million Facts & Figures
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sandpoint
Posts: 5,883 Sportster/Buell Model: XL883 Sportster/Buell Year: 2007 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell Cyclone Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1999
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Whose pistons?
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13th June 2012
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 106 Sportster/Buell Model: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year: 1990 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1975
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piston are flat top the ones in AXTELL kit .. I bougth some year ago.. they are JE pistons with axtell code 801-570A
and rings are 596-505 SPEED PRO 3-13/16+005 RINGS . I bought ALL many years ago maybe 2002 or 2003.. LOL
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13th June 2012
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A Million Facts & Figures
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sandpoint
Posts: 5,883 Sportster/Buell Model: XL883 Sportster/Buell Year: 2007 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell Cyclone Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1999
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Well, you know what's coming next ... you REALLY need to ask Axtell.
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15th June 2012
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 106 Sportster/Buell Model: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year: 1990 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1975
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Hey Aaron , is there a way to contact you private?
I'm searching XB heads for my project.
BTW, I gapped the rings in a safer side.
.0235 Top and .245 2nd
but (as always ends) I xaggerated in on piston set and ended to .025 on Top one and .026 on the 2nd.
Is it best I ENLARGE the perfect gapped ones? (to end with Exact the same dimensions).
OR
If I stay with this minimal difference, Is it best to use the BIG-gapped ones on the front or on the rear cylinder??
Thanks
my email: beppe_lisco@yahoo.it
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15th June 2012
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A Million Facts & Figures
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sandpoint
Posts: 5,883 Sportster/Buell Model: XL883 Sportster/Buell Year: 2007 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Buell Cyclone Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1999
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Beppe ... sure you can contact me anytime ... aaron at hammerperf daht com will get you right to me.
I completely spaced that you were in Italy ... let me give Axtell a call here in a few hours when they open, and see what they recommend for that kit, I'll get you an answer.
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15th June 2012
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 106 Sportster/Buell Model: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year: 1990 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Sportster Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1975
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thanks. I'll be out for weekend. I`ll probably read in monday when for sure i'll send u a mail too
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