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3rd February 2012
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Perfidious Albion
Posts: 6,928 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1250S Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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Originally Posted by jcmellis
Isn't that the famous motorcycling Vicar, second from the right w/pipe?
...ops, sorry. Don't mind me. Go back to posting those great pictures, guys. |
Yep, that's "Father Bill", who set up the 59 Club in London. |
4th February 2012
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Master Mechanic
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Bourbon smoked hills of TN just a wee bit South of Bardstown
Posts: 283 Sportster/Buell Model: XLH Sportster/Buell Year: 2002 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Blast Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2007
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Originally Posted by steelworker
They used to do exactly that... the model was called the "Buell".   |
I have to disagree with that. Buell's were alwasy more akin to Sporty powered sport bikes, but never in the sam eleague as a true cafe racer. If HD would bring back the looks of the XLCR crossed with a little bit of Lucifer's Hammer, a good rigid monoshock rear, and inverted adjustable forks, I would sell my left nut, my first born, and rent out my ol lady to pay for one. That new XL1200X...not quite. Still too much flat tracker and not enough real cafe or road racer
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4th February 2012
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Flat Track Racer
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 205 Sportster/Buell Model: SuperLow Sportster/Buell Year: 2011
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Originally Posted by switchblade7.62x51
I have to disagree with that. Buell's were alwasy more akin to Sporty powered sport bikes, but never in the sam eleague as a true cafe racer. If HD would bring back the looks of the XLCR crossed with a little bit of Lucifer's Hammer, a good rigid monoshock rear, and inverted adjustable forks, I would sell my left nut, my first born, and rent out my ol lady to pay for one. That new XL1200X...not quite. Still too much flat tracker and not enough real cafe or road racer
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I would agree. I had a 2000 Buell Cyclone and I'd put them in their own niche. Not a true sportbike IMHO but it was not a cafe racer. Nice ride though-I sold it because it was better suited to riders 5'-10" or so. I'm only 5'-4"
To me a real cafe racer has to have a somewhat homegrown look ie a modified standard motorcycle. A factory cafe racer which started out as a sport bike in the first place is not the same. |
4th February 2012
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Perfidious Albion
Posts: 6,928 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1250S Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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Originally Posted by darkdesign
Seriously though, if harley made a cafe racer along the veins of the ducati sports classic, but had upside down forks, and a monoshock rear, i'd sell my mother to buy one.
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Originally Posted by steelworker
They used to do exactly that... the model was called the "Buell". |
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Originally Posted by switchblade7.62x51
I have to disagree with that. Buell's were alwasy more akin to Sporty powered sport bikes, but never in the same league as a true cafe racer.
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Originally Posted by maltesefalcon
I would agree. I had a 2000 Buell Cyclone and I'd put them in their own niche. Not a true sportbike IMHO but it was not a cafe racer.
To me a real cafe racer has to have a somewhat homegrown look ie a modified standard motorcycle. A factory cafe racer which started out as a sport bike in the first place is not the same.
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Well, the Buells had the Sportster motor in a chassis that handled, with the adjustable upside-down forks and monoshock that you want. I'd agree that a cafe racer needs a somewhat homegrown look to it, but the Buells were a good basis for that. Here's just one example, where the owner has achieved a real classic look...
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4th February 2012
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: In a swamp
Posts: 5,979 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1460C Sportster/Buell Year: 2000 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XL1200R Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2006 Other Motorcycle Model: XLH Other Motorcycle Year: 1972
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Myles- I'm with you 100% on this one, an excellant example.
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4th February 2012
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Biker
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Road America
Posts: 13 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1200C Sportster/Buell Year: 2005 Other Motorcycle Model: FJR1300 Other Motorcycle Year: 2009
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That Buell looks great. Anyone know what that exhaust is? That would give me the cornering clearance I need and open up the whole world of options for rear sets.
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4th February 2012
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Anglesey
Posts: 1,583 Sportster/Buell Model: 883r -1200 Sportster/Buell Year: 2003 Other Motorcycle Model: 850 Yamaha TRX Other Motorcycle Year: 98
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I sore this parked up in a Yorkshire village last year.
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4th February 2012
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Perfidious Albion
Posts: 6,928 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1250S Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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Originally Posted by Ray 911s
That Buelow looks great. Anyone know what that exhaust is? That would give me the cornering clearance I need and open up the whole world of options for rear sets.
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If you mean this Buell...
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Originally Posted by steelworker
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... those are stock Buell headers with an aftermarket muffler (which is in the same place as the stock Buell muffler). I've seen it done on Sportsters - you just have to rig up a bracket to hold the muffler under the frame. Buell engines sit a little higher than Sportsters, so you may have to watch your ground clearance riding up kerbs, etc, but it would certainly give a lot more clearance when leaning the bike through bends. And yes, rearsets would not be an issue. |
4th February 2012
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Senior Chief Master Mechanic
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Scotland, United Kingdom
Posts: 913 Sportster/Buell Model: Sportster Sport XL1200S Sportster/Buell Year: 1998 Sportster/Buell Model #2: Fatboy 1450 FLSTFI Sportster/Buell Year #2: 2002 Other Motorcycle Model: Kawasaki KDX125sr Other Motorcycle Year: 1991
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Originally Posted by steelworker
If you mean this Buell...
... those are stock Buell headers with an aftermarket muffler (which is in the same place as the stock Buell muffler). I've seen it done on Sportsters - you just have to rig up a bracket to hold the muffler under the frame. Buell engines sit a little higher than Sportsters, so you may have to watch your ground clearance riding up kerbs, etc, but it would certainly give a lot more clearance when leaning the bike through bends. And yes, rearsets would not be an issue.
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Do you not have to watch for the front exhaust pipe clearence issues with the Buell pipes on a sportster?, Seem to think someone said its a tight fit & can require a bend/kink put in the pipe to clear the frame?..
Heres a sportster with Buell style system fitted...
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4th February 2012
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Perfidious Albion
Posts: 6,928 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1250S Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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Originally Posted by Big-Ed
Do you not have to watch for the front exhaust pipe clearence issues with the Buell pipes on a sportster?, Seem to think someone said its a tight fit & can require a bend/kink put in the pipe to clear the frame?
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Quite possibly, as Buells have no lower frame rails. That's a partickerly fine example! |
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