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19th September 2006
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 121 Sportster/Buell Model: XL883, for sale cheap! Sportster/Buell Year: 2002 Other Motorcycle Model: Ural Deco Classic Other Motorcycle Year: 2000
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I just stumbled onto this thread (slow reader) and I notice something nobody's touched on; relaxing the stresses in the castings, forgings, etc. Freshly-made pieces have locked-in stresses that will eventually normalize. If they're heated too quickly and too much, the stresses will deform the piece. Mototune totally ignores this. Fresh parts will turn into pretzels if they're treated like he says.
Years ago, Gordon Jennings noted that when he was messing with piston shapes on two-strokes by welding on the domes, a used piston would stand it OK but a new one would generally deform into uselessness. The difference was that the used pieces weren't internally stressed, so they didn't deform when heated by the welding.
I'm not a professional engine builder, I'm in the once-in-a-while category. I used to be a machinist and I'm familiar with normalizing parts. Seeing something like the "beat it hard and it'll be fast" school of break-in makes me glad he's not building my engine.
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19th September 2006
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Springfield Tn
Posts: 9,970 Sportster/Buell Model: 1998 S= Superior Model Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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so tell me what is heat cycle your motor ?????
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20th September 2006
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Senior Chief Know It All 1st Class
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Costa Mesa, CA
Posts: 1,103 Sportster/Buell Model: 1200 Custom Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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Very interesting information here.
My Dad is getting ready to get a 07 wide glide or softtail custom. What should I tell him to do for the break-in? He lives about 15 miles from the dealer that he would buy from. Not a huge distance, but enough to bring the motor to full operating tempature. Should we go down first thing in the morning with the intention of spending a good part of the day going through the first steps in the S&S proceedure that Stevo recommends?
It would look kinda funny sitting there after the purchase(not to mention a patience tester) starting it for a few minutes and shutting it down to cool completly. If it will produce the most power and least oil comsuption I will push him to try it, as I think it is worth it.
Question is: Do you guys with the best experience think it is worth it? or do you have any other ideas?
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20th September 2006
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Senior Master Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: the tropical north of Australia
Posts: 6,542 Sportster/Buell Model: 11 second 1200S Sportster/Buell Year: '98 Other Motorcycle Model: about a dozen others.....
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That's how I do it when I rebuild a motor...
I only ran it for a few seconds... then a minute or so ... then rode around the block and bedded the rings in when I was at the dealership...
The S&S break in is the ideal way.... and babying the motor is the opposite end of the spectrum...
Basicly run it medium/hard for short busts as heat is the enemy... then let those bursts get longer
ya don't want things to expand and distort that much that ya break the oil film....
and ya gotta take the high points off left from machining..
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21st September 2006
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Senior Chief Know It All 1st Class
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Costa Mesa, CA
Posts: 1,103 Sportster/Buell Model: 1200 Custom Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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Thanks Stevo!!
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6th December 2006
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Master Mechanic
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Dale City
Posts: 288 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1200C Sportster/Buell Year: 2001
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What about an 2001 XL1200c that is spitting oil out the air breathe, bought it with 3,112 miles now has 10,000 miles ???
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29th January 2007
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: in a house in central NJ
Posts: 654 Sportster/Buell Model: 1200c Sportster/Buell Year: 2002 Sportster/Buell Model #2: XL - Sold Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1979
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oil coming from the air cleaner
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Originally Posted by blazer95
What about an 2001 XL1200c that is spitting oil out the air breathe, bought it with 3,112 miles now has 10,000 miles ???
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on a sporty?? no way!
unless its more than a few drops, thats normal. you can install a breather or get used to it. welcome to the oily right leg club of sportster owners!
J&P Cycles part# 4000330 $30 or if you are handy you can make your own
keep the sun in your face & the shiny side up
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30th January 2007
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Master Mechanic
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Dale City
Posts: 288 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1200C Sportster/Buell Year: 2001
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thanks i will have to get used to then i still love my sporty
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30th January 2007
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Bike Builder
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Sheboygan, WI
Posts: 1,873 Sportster/Buell Model: FXR Sportster/Buell Year: 1994
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This is all great information for when I re-assemble my converted engine this spring.
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30th January 2007
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XL FORUM TEAM MEMBER
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 519 Sportster/Buell Model: xl883c Sportster/Buell Year: 2003
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I just learned more from this thread in ten minutes than I'll learn the rest of the day! Hey, now I can go back to bed.
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