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13th August 2008
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Master Mechanic
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: NAF Atsugi, Japan
Posts: 299 Sportster/Buell Model: XB9SX Sportster/Buell Year: 2007 Other Motorcycle Model: Bicycles (Daily Rider) Other Motorcycle Year: 2009
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Wheel Size Versus Handling?
Which wheel and tire combination offers the best handling? From the basics of what I can find, the larger the wheels, the better cruising is, but if going for handling and road carving, I've seen a lot of mix between 17" and 18" wheels.
Has anyone done any testing or have any experience of which would be best for which application on a Sportster?
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13th August 2008
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Master Mechanic
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: NAF Atsugi, Japan
Posts: 299 Sportster/Buell Model: XB9SX Sportster/Buell Year: 2007 Other Motorcycle Model: Bicycles (Daily Rider) Other Motorcycle Year: 2009
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Seems like all the Buells run with 120/70/17 front and 180/55/17 rear tires. Anyone installed a set of buell wheels on their Sportster and noticed a difference in flickability?
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13th August 2008
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Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: So Cal
Posts: 2,213 Sportster/Buell Model: 883C Sportster/Buell Year: 2000
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The wider tires are better for cornering power.
Narrow tires make your bike feel more nimble
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14th August 2008
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Senior Chief Know It All 1st Class
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Costa Mesa, CA
Posts: 1,103 Sportster/Buell Model: 1200 Custom Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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I was once told a taller wheel will resist leaning to the side due to gyroscopic effects. If it is true a bike with 17" wheels will enter a turn easier than a bike with 21" (front). Of course this is hearsay and I never claimed to be a physics major, so there is a good chance I am wrong.
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14th August 2008
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Join Date: May 2007
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Posts: 2,157 Sportster/Buell Model: XLCH Sportster/Buell Year: 1975 Other Motorcycle Model: Yamaha XT550 mutant Other Motorcycle Year: 1982
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The stickiest tires are usually only available in 17" (front/rear) and a few 18" (rear) these days. There is nothing really sticky is made in 21", only a few in 19". If you are going the really carve 17" is the way to go, but a 19" front and 18" rear is a distant second best choice. If you want the best handling you have to start at the tire, not the wheel size.
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14th August 2008
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: No. Va.
Posts: 145 Sportster/Buell Model: Sport Sportster/Buell Year: 1998
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I run radials. 120/60-17 front, and a 150/70-17 rear. Flickability is outstanding,as are all aspects of ride and handling. Responds quicker to rider inputs than my Buell X-1.
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'98 1200 Sport, with 88 inch, PM Chicane wheels & PM brakes, Radials (150/70-17 & 120/60-17), JMC swingarm, yada yada yada
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14th August 2008
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Senior Master Custom Bike Builder
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I think generalizations can be dangerous - you have to consider not only tire size, but construction/profile - radial vs. bia-ply for instance...
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15th August 2008
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Master Mechanic
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: NAF Atsugi, Japan
Posts: 299 Sportster/Buell Model: XB9SX Sportster/Buell Year: 2007 Other Motorcycle Model: Bicycles (Daily Rider) Other Motorcycle Year: 2009
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I'm looking at getting a set of custom 40 spoke wheels (17x3.5 front and 17x5.5 rear) covered in Pirelli Diablo Strada tires (120/70 and 180/55),which is the same as the Buell. Can anyone see any problems with ride height or angle change? I know the height will be lower, and the wheel base slightly shorter, but with the angle being tilted downward toward the front, would this increase or decrease handling?
I know on cars, with the front in still in a dive, the car will handle lousy through a corner as the weight balance will be mostly on the front tires, which will cause understeer.. does this hold true for a motorcycle?
If so, how would I correct this? Lower the rear end via shock setup?
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15th August 2008
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Biker
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Woodbridge
Posts: 18 Sportster/Buell Model: 1200L Sportster/Buell Year: 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by toe
The wider tires are better for cornering power.
Narrow tires make your bike feel more nimble
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Narrower tires make your bike more nimble. For best cornering capability, in theory, you want your tires to only be as wide as they need to be to get the power to the ground without slipping. 250 cc 2-stroke bikes out-corner liter bikes on a road course while running only 150mm rear tires.
And, like Kev M said, width is only part of the equation.
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15th August 2008
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: NAF Atsugi, Japan
Posts: 299 Sportster/Buell Model: XB9SX Sportster/Buell Year: 2007 Other Motorcycle Model: Bicycles (Daily Rider) Other Motorcycle Year: 2009
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The Diablo Strada's are radial tires, and the 180 seems about the right size.. I'm more worried about the change in bike profile and how it will affect handling.
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