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22nd May 2009
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Senior Bike Builder
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,971 Sportster/Buell Model: None Sportster/Buell Year: None
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Originally Posted by Kev M
I pretty much disagree with that whole post.
Vrods are obviously Harleys - but they're not TYPICAL Harleys or "air-cooled twins" so I left them out of the comparison for what I hope are obvious reasons. But they are still HARLEYS, albeit a new breed, but there's nothing wrong with that.
As for "interest in Harleys" I'd say the 1200N and 883N probably did more for "interest in Harleys" especially as of late than the Vrod ever did.
Same could be said for the Softails in the 90s, and the RK in the early 00s.
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Rewind back to the late 90's (man, has it been 10 years already?) when the V-Rod was in it's final stages of development. The motorcycle community was in an absolute up-roar over the new "Water-Cooled Harley." In that time, gas was cheap, and the economy was great. A bike of that price did very well. And, I know I saw more V-Rods pop up in that small town of Wichita Falls at that time than I ever did the "Nightster," in '07.
Just sayin...that's my experience in Texas, which can be completely different than you New England Yuppies... I keed, I keed... 
Maybe interest in Harley was greater from the Nightster, but the V-Rod sure did stir things up a lot more...
Even so, the greater interest in a couple of Sportsters sorta proves my point about whether it's TRULY a Harley.
As far as "being" a Harley, well, yeah, it's a Harley. BUT, Harley far too often falls back on its tradition than ingenuity. People are interested in Harley because they're (they're not their) loud, big, and inefficient. Like a big truck. It's not a "traditional" Harley, in that sense...
Again...that's the Texas mentality...as for the rest of the country... 
Off Topic: http://www.theonion.com/content/news..._s_border_wall
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22nd May 2009
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 112 Sportster/Buell Model: XL883L Sportster/Buell Year: 2006 Other Motorcycle Model: Honda CB750SS Other Motorcycle Year: 1978
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In response to your question the slowest Harley is the stock 883, BUT after you throw a 1200 or 1250 kit on it and some other work it quickly becomes one of the fastest 
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23rd May 2009
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Chief Know It All
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 409 Sportster/Buell Model: XL1200C Sportster/Buell Year: 2007
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Interesting question with some interesting answers.
Personally I think the VRod is a Harley. It just doesn't have a lot of the characteristics that draw many of the same buyers to showrooms that the more traditional models do. Tradition being a key element.
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23rd May 2009
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Master Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: northern IN.
Posts: 3,336 Sportster/Buell Model: 1200R 90+HP Sportster/Buell Year: 2004 Sportster/Buell Model #2: 2276cc VW sandrail Sportster/Buell Year #2: 1976
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I would like to race a Vrod with mine just to see how I would do. They have a few more HP but more weight too, I think it would be a close race.
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23rd May 2009
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Senior Bike Builder
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Originally Posted by misterT
I would like to race a Vrod with mine just to see how I would do. They have a few more HP but more weight too, I think it would be a close race.
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Yeah, the VRod's got about 100 lbs more... |
23rd May 2009
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Biker
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: on the edge of insanity
Posts: 79 Sportster/Buell Model: xlh 1200 Sportster/Buell Year: 1996
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Well then if a V-Rod is not a Harley-Davidson then how do you explain a Buell?  |
23rd May 2009
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Senior Master Custom Bike Builder
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The Warm Southeast! U.S.A.
Posts: 5,595 Sportster/Buell Model: XL 1200 R SOLD! Sportster/Buell Year: 2006
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Originally Posted by Kirk the Jerk
Just sayin...that's my experience in Texas, which can be completely different than you New England Yuppies... I keed, I keed... |
Somebody's gotta tell ya that Pennsylvania (where Kev lives) ain't part of New England!  |
23rd May 2009
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Flat Track Racer
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 201 Sportster/Buell Model: 883R Sportster/Buell Year: 02
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If a Jap V-twin is an imitation Harley is a V-Rod then an imitation Jap bike?
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23rd May 2009
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Dubai, UAE
Posts: 118 Sportster/Buell Model: Nightster Sportster/Buell Year: 2008
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Originally Posted by mudnutt
If a Jap V-twin is an imitation Harley is a V-Rod then an imitation Jap bike?Deck
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Good question! Let's see if anybody can answer this one...
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23rd May 2009
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Greasemonkey
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 112 Sportster/Buell Model: XL883L Sportster/Buell Year: 2006 Other Motorcycle Model: Honda CB750SS Other Motorcycle Year: 1978
Reputation: 10
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Originally Posted by RIstretch96
Well then if a V-Rod is not a Harley-Davidson then how do you explain a Buell? |
The Buell was started as its own separate entity by Erik Buell (ex Harley engineer) in the 1980's using Harley sportster power plants to power their bikes. Only later becoming a subsidiary of Harley Davidson. So in my opinion (and that of others) a buell is not wholly a Harley Davidson, yes it does have a Harley engine (the new 1125 does not) but the other parts are totally unique Buell designs.
With that said to me a V-ROD is a Harley because it is made by Harley. Chevy makes the f$&%ing corvette but they also make the cavalier.
This subject can be argued back and forth forever, which it has been, many many many many times.
[QUOTE=If a Jap V-twin is an imitation Harley is a V-Rod then an imitation Jap bike?[/QUOTE]
Well Honda did come out with the first "Sport" bike in 1969 with the CB750 inline 4 cylinder. Now if the V-ROD had an inline 4 I would definitely say it is an imitation of a Jap bike, but otherwise not really. Are Ducati's and Triumphs imitation Jap sport bikes?
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